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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:02 AM May 2016

APNewsBreak: State Dept audit faults Clinton in emails

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Clinton disregarded various State Department guidelines for avoiding cybersecurity risks, an internal audit found Wednesday, faulting her and past secretaries of state for weak information management.

The inspector general's 78-page analysis, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, cites "longstanding, systemic weaknesses" related to the agency's communications. These started before Clinton's appointment as secretary of state, but her failures were singled out as more serious.

Despite guidelines to the contrary and never seeking approval, Clinton used mobile devices to conduct official business on her personal email account and private server. She never sought approval from senior information officers, who would have refused the request because of security risks, the audit said.

"By Secretary Clinton's tenure, the department's guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated," it concluded. "Secretary Clinton's cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives."


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e9cf125b8af1417a8cdd0b3526a1ce9e/apnewsbreak-state-dept-audit-faults-clinton-emails

Oh and this is not the FBI investigation, just the state department. I have not seen it yet here.
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APNewsBreak: State Dept audit faults Clinton in emails (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski May 2016 OP
It's the quickening! NWCorona May 2016 #1
The three reactions under you tell me all, nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #6
Yeah me too! The pdf hasn't been added to the state department website yet. NWCorona May 2016 #8
Do me a favor, once it is posted, send me a link nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #14
Pm sent! 😀 NWCorona May 2016 #16
Here's the one on the Wapo Bob41213 May 2016 #12
I am looking for a copy I can download nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #15
Click the link, or right click the link. You can download. Bob41213 May 2016 #17
It is already in my computer nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #18
Clinton once again helps government focus on problems. Give her credit, she'll take her slap on the Hoyt May 2016 #2
Sarcasm, right? lagomorph777 May 2016 #10
Hillary "helps the Government focus on problems" by causing them... Unbelievable!! (not really) AzDar May 2016 #69
Forget the criticism by Sanders supporters cali May 2016 #20
Trump can be countered with his draft-dodging, business failures, racism, etc. Fact is, the email Hoyt May 2016 #34
The litany of Trump's sins is almost endless, but he's still a hard target cali May 2016 #42
That post sounds like an ad for GOPers. Hoyt May 2016 #46
Can't wait for Trump to use this nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25
His supporters- like you -will touch this email equivalent of jaywalking and give comfort to GOPers. Hoyt May 2016 #35
I guess you got me nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #59
He doesn't have to, his supporters and staff will do it for him. Hoyt May 2016 #63
How exciting for you! Beausoir May 2016 #55
Well Friday should be a hoot nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #60
Hubris. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #3
Funny. I remember Hillary saying this. trudyco May 2016 #22
They faulted Powell and Rice too Demsrule86 May 2016 #4
And berners drag it over here workinclasszero May 2016 #23
So let me get this straight nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #26
Why do I keep getting the feeling you are a Republican apologist? MoonRiver May 2016 #48
Insert twilight zone music now nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #49
I call it like I see it. MoonRiver May 2016 #51
And it will be fun to see you guys go into nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #61
If you want to see me in a fetal position, you will need to wait until I'm on my death bed. MoonRiver May 2016 #64
So posting an AP breaking news story is HATE nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #66
They all did it. She did it A LOT inchhigh May 2016 #28
Remind me where Rice and Powell kept their private servers. merrily May 2016 #41
Still pasting that stale talking point? No new memo today? arcane1 May 2016 #56
Powell and Rice aren't running for President. thesquanderer May 2016 #72
"and past secretaries of state". Beausoir May 2016 #5
"but her failures were singled out as more serious. " lagomorph777 May 2016 #11
^^^This^^^ Autumn May 2016 #38
Read the report. What she did is far far worse. morningfog May 2016 #54
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/07/state-dept-concludes-past-secretaries-of-state/209044 Demsrule86 May 2016 #7
Really? Better tell the State Dept they got the date wrong Bob41213 May 2016 #9
Memorandums and reports are different critters nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #19
lol @ Media Matters. frylock May 2016 #24
I need clarity on who would be "senior officials" other than Obama? 2banon May 2016 #13
There are a few others including those within the Intel community nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #21
hmm.. 2banon May 2016 #27
What you missing is that they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #29
If she gets the nomination and then gets elected, we are looking at impeachment the very next day merbex May 2016 #47
Yes. HRC supporters make light of this, to our detriment. 2banon May 2016 #58
Regardless that is a critical decision always nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #67
That's what I have always assumed, and what everyone should assume 2banon May 2016 #52
From what I have heard from folks in the intel community nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #68
Finally turned on my radio today. (just a bit ago) 2banon May 2016 #73
there is something called the National Security Council. grasswire May 2016 #71
Interesting, grasswire thanks. 2banon May 2016 #74
I don't know if SoS answers to them collectively... grasswire May 2016 #75
Yes, that I do know. For Decades. 2banon May 2016 #76
It's a good time to buy butthurt ointment futures. HooptieWagon May 2016 #30
Can I ask you to stop with that butt hurt joke nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #31
It is not a gay slur, origin is a spanking reference. HooptieWagon May 2016 #36
Please proceed then nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #43
I'm gay, and it isn't a gay slur obamanut2012 May 2016 #40
Ohmigod!!!!!!!!!!!! zappaman May 2016 #32
OH MY GOD< this is so predictable nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
And yet it hasn't hit them.. Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #37
As well as your glee! zappaman May 2016 #62
The fact that you can read my mind over the internet makes you some kind of a mind reader nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #65
I think is validates our concerns with Hillary as a nominee. morningfog May 2016 #57
*** IG's Report states that Colin Powell followed rules in place at that time; Clinton did not.*** JudyM May 2016 #39
I honestly think this took team Hillary by surprise nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44
Really? Why? You think Kerry/Obama wouldn't have given her a heads up? JudyM May 2016 #45
The way these reports work nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #70
"..also revealed that Clinton and her top aides chose not to cooperate with the review. " EndElectoral May 2016 #50
"Despite guidelines to the contrary and never seeking approval" n/t arcane1 May 2016 #53

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
1. It's the quickening!
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

Yup not the FBI but I'm sure this will definitely have bering on that case as well.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. The three reactions under you tell me all,
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

looking for the actual report, The WAPO has it embedded, I want to download the damn thing

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
8. Yeah me too! The pdf hasn't been added to the state department website yet.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016
https://oig.state.gov/reports
78 pages! And some of the excerpts have been interesting to say the least.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
17. Click the link, or right click the link. You can download.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

I "hacked" into the code of the Wapo and found where they were linking to in their internal viewer and put that there. If you click that you should get the full PDF you can download.

Edit: I'm not sure your browser but whichever one you have should have something similar. Just right click my link and it should have "download link as" or something. That will download it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Clinton once again helps government focus on problems. Give her credit, she'll take her slap on the
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

wrist and withstand Sanders supporters' meaningless criticism.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
10. Sarcasm, right?
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

"Helps government focus on problems" - love it, thanks for a nice laugh.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
69. Hillary "helps the Government focus on problems" by causing them... Unbelievable!! (not really)
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. Forget the criticism by Sanders supporters
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

This is a boon for trump.

And if this had been a republican, you'd be screaming in outrage.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
34. Trump can be countered with his draft-dodging, business failures, racism, etc. Fact is, the email
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:09 PM
May 2016

equivalent of jaywalking did not compromise the USA. Yeah, it COULD have, as might anyone in the state department, hackers targeting the official government servers, Trump getting intelligence briefings, etc. But, it didn't happen and I suspect her emails were more secure than ever before.

Your last sentence is hilarious, as you are now screaming in outrage about Clinton and giving GOPers comfort.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
42. The litany of Trump's sins is almost endless, but he's still a hard target
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

And I'm not screaming in outrage about her giving repubs comfort. I'm stating what I've always said: She's a weak and flawed candidate. And she is not a talented campaigner. This isn't news.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Can't wait for Trump to use this
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

because you know what? You think Sanders will touch this, nope, but Trump will, and oh boy will he.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. His supporters- like you -will touch this email equivalent of jaywalking and give comfort to GOPers.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
59. I guess you got me
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

I have been posting here for over a decade in baited breath to support Trump.

You don't realize how ridiculous that is. But trump will use it. Sanders has refused to. Deal with those pesky well...facts

As a talking point this scores a 10 in the ridiculous scale

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
60. Well Friday should be a hoot
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

While you keep talking a big game, we will be in tmwfi elf covering, quite possibly, a riot.

trudyco

(1,258 posts)
22. Funny. I remember Hillary saying this.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

I think it was during the Bush years about the Repukes.

I never thought then it would apply to her. I really thought she was a victim of right wingers and a husband with a crappy libido.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
26. So let me get this straight
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

you think a State Department Report is not breaking news? Funny, you should quickly inform the news media of this. Plus if this was a republican you would be screaming to high heaven.

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
48. Why do I keep getting the feeling you are a Republican apologist?
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
May 2016

Could it be your posts reflect that mind-set, i.e. "if this was a republican you would be screaming to high heavens?" You could have said Bernie, but, no, you chose to say REPUBLICAN.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
49. Insert twilight zone music now
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016


You guys are funny. My ethics are not situational. Obviously yours are
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
61. And it will be fun to see you guys go into
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

The fetal position. You might call it as you see it. Well I do as well. This is a weak flawed candidate giving all kinds of target practice. The adds the Trump campaign will use write themselves.

And by the way, you want the news media to coddle and protect? Because this is the morning breaking news.

My goodness. Either you guys are new to this process, or pretend to be.

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
64. If you want to see me in a fetal position, you will need to wait until I'm on my death bed.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

Can't believe the amount of hate Bernie people emit!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
66. So posting an AP breaking news story is HATE
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

that is news to me, no pun.

But really, you guys act in a way that is impressive

By the way, who I support is between and the central tabulator. My vote will be whatever who counts the votes decided it was. And I doubt I will be told who I officially voted for, That is not hate, that is the state of elections in the US.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
28. They all did it. She did it A LOT
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

Rice's name appears in the report 13 times.

Kerry 14 times.

Powell 17 times.


Clinton 125 times.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. Remind me where Rice and Powell kept their private servers.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

Also:


"By Secretary Clinton's tenure, the department's guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated," it concluded. "Secretary Clinton's cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives."

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
56. Still pasting that stale talking point? No new memo today?
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

Powell, Rice, and Clinton. Right-wing Secretaries of State who don't follow the rules.

What great company she's in

thesquanderer

(13,006 posts)
72. Powell and Rice aren't running for President.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

If an action is pursued against them, perhaps revoking security clearances for example, so what? But you can't have a President who doesn't have security clearances.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. "but her failures were singled out as more serious. "
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

"By Secretary Clinton's tenure, the department's guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated," it concluded. "Secretary Clinton's cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives."

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
7. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/07/state-dept-concludes-past-secretaries-of-state/209044
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

Notice it is a three month old article...

The State Department's internal investigation arm issued a final memorandum today on the email practices of past and current secretaries of state, and it said definitively that past secretaries handled classified material on unclassified email systems.

The same claims were made in an early February memo when the State Department's inspector general first announced it was conducting a records review related to the email accounts of five secretaries of state -- Madeline Albright, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry -- and their immediate staff.

After closely examining a number of potentially sensitive emails with help from State Department and Intelligence Community officials, the State Department's inspector general concluded that 12 emails contain "national security information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels." Additionally, it was determined none of the emails contained intelligence information, meaning it was classified for other reasons.

The emails in question, as the inspector general has previously stated, came from Secretary Powell's personal email account and personal email accounts of Secretary Rice's immediate staff.

In a recent statements to ABC News, Powell disputed the claims.

"I have reviewed the messages and I do not see what makes them classified." Powell said. "The emails were from my Executive Assistant and forwarded messages sent by two of our Ambassadors to State Department staff members. My Executive Assistant thought I should see them in a timely manner so sent them to my personal account. Both messages were unclassified. There was no reason not to forward them in this manner. ... The Ambassadors did not believe the contents were Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified. That is a fact. While they have not yet clarified this point, the State Department cannot now say they were classified then because they weren't. If the Department wishes to say a dozen years later they should have been classified that is an opinion of the Department that I do not share."

[...]

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
13. I need clarity on who would be "senior officials" other than Obama?
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

I'm not getting which position are Senior Officials to the Secretary of State position other than the President, referenced here as the people she should have sought authorization. Unless the reference is senior positions she should have consulted with?

It's just a little confusing to me, if anyone can clarify.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. There are a few others including those within the Intel community
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

like NSA, and CIA, though Obama has the final word though

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
27. hmm..
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

But the Alpha Bet Intel Community aren't officially Senior to SoS, they are all supposed to be serving at the pleasure of the President, at least on it's face, right?

I fully recognize they don't and haven't since the inception of the CIA, but that's another discussion..

It's a minor point, I don't want to dwell on it much, but it just seems the press should at least attempt to be clear on a point that may present legal consequences.

The press often uses the reference "senior officials", without naming names to give credibility to an article being published, but it really does behoove them to be more concise.

I think it has been established Obama did NOT give authorization, and others within the State Dept had strongly urged cease desist. But if the President is the sole official Senior to her, than she doesn't have a problem, cuz he's not going to press for indictment etc. We all know that, right? the DoJ isn't going to go after HRC, so I frankly feel this is just a distraction.

Unless, I'm missing something here.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. What you missing is that they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

if the DOJ presses charges, the administration loses that aura of clean... if they do not, and especially if she gets the presidency we are going to go into a Watergate scenario,

They are already in serious damage control this morning.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
47. If she gets the nomination and then gets elected, we are looking at impeachment the very next day
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

Jeezus.

IF she gets the nomination, pay close attention to her VP:that person will/could end up as President

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
58. Yes. HRC supporters make light of this, to our detriment.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

You're spot on too wrt to VP.

I've seen a name floated out there who I have no familiarity. Latino name. Obviously intended to garner Latino Votes. Don't know his background.

Sorry, I forget his name at the moment.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
52. That's what I have always assumed, and what everyone should assume
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

But I don't believe it will ultimately play out in the end, the way of Nixon.

I think it's going to go the way of Fitzmas..

I could be wrong, and it will be interesting, but unfortunately a very unpleasant path to the coronation and beginning to her first term. To say the least.

I don't have cable so I'm missing the damage control in the media.

Thanks for the clarity and the heads up.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
68. From what I have heard from folks in the intel community
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:21 PM
May 2016

it goes that way, we will have a revolt. I wonder how many intel professionals are willing to resign en masse when it comes to it, but that is one thing I have heard.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
73. Finally turned on my radio today. (just a bit ago)
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

Tuned on NPR's KQED .. So I heard their report now. In summary, NPR is saying that it's a scathing report, but at the end of the day the problem started up in previous administrations. In that report,they don't say how many administrations, or how far back.. leaving one to infer at least as far back as the previous Clinton Administration, (Bush/Clinton ?)

I'm thinking Bush/Clinton/Bush/Reagan .. so I'm compelled to expect not even as much as a Fitzmas will occur.

They can't go after HRC if they don't go after Condi, and all the previous SoS which include all the SoS's under Republican admins.

If the Intel communities revolt, they'd better make it non-partisan or it's going to be considered extremely political and dismissed by everyone except teabaggers.

By non-partisan, I mean all of the SoS's going as far back as Bush Sr. and Reagan..

Although they didn't have smart phones and blackberry's. they did have computerized cable, right? The Pentagon invented this thing, so I'd say they had old school telecommunications capabilities in play I suspect.

In any event, yes the teabaggers in Congress will certainly make hay out of her failings, disregarding the double standard.

And it will be ugly, that's a guarantee. They'll be no end to it on the teevees.






grasswire

(50,130 posts)
71. there is something called the National Security Council.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

Seventeen members. POTUS, VP, heads of Intel agencies, Chairman Joint Chiefs, some Secretaries, etc. I recently read (but right now I can't think of the author) that this NSC was like a dagger aimed at her and could do much damage to her. Need to learn more.

I think many of us wish that Obama would cut her loose to face justice.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
74. Interesting, grasswire thanks.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

SoS answers to Joint Chiefs too? Gotta bone up on Cabinet hierarchy!

Why I had the idea that the SoS served solely at the pleasure of the Prez I can't explain.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
75. I don't know if SoS answers to them collectively...
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

...and I don't think individually. I just have seen the NSC mentioned as having dangerous teeth in this matter.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
76. Yes, that I do know. For Decades.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

I liken them to what the Christic Institute referenced as the "Government within the Government". During Iran Contra..

That's when I learned some things about the "inner workings" of the intelligence communities - how they control all foreign AND domestic affairs (elections/media news content) ..

But I think during Bush/Cheney it became apparent the intel communities aren't all on the same page and some working against each other, different agendas, different world views alliances.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
31. Can I ask you to stop with that butt hurt joke
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

it is childish and also a gay slurr

Thank you in advance.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
32. Ohmigod!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

This is so exciting!
Do you think this will propel your guy, Bernie, into the White House!?




Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
37. And yet it hasn't hit them..
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

Who controls hearings in both the house and Senate?

Oh, that's right they won't hold hearings on this during the election cycle......
And this is not even the FBI report, nor the Justice dept. decision

I don't know if to laugh or cry.

Listen folks this was her own doing not mine, not Obama, not Sanders, not the republicans not the FBIs .........it falls on her and this story is not gonna go away no matter how much one might wish.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
62. As well as your glee!
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

I thought "journos" were supposed to try and contain their partisan excitement?
Well, I'll give you a pass since a "blogger" is not technically a "journo".
Please proceed, Governor!


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
65. The fact that you can read my mind over the internet makes you some kind of a mind reader
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

or you are just making shit up as usual



You see, that is an AP story, it is all over. DEAL WITH IT.

Now I am going to really enjoy how much you do not enjoy this though. It is a show, the best on earth.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
39. *** IG's Report states that Colin Powell followed rules in place at that time; Clinton did not.***
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

Per CNN.

Couldn't be that her refusal to take part in the agreed-upon CA debate has anything to do with not wanting to face the music about this, I'm sure.

After all, her previous answer was that she didn't do anything worse than what he did. Now we know that is untrue. He followed the rules in place at that time, she did not.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
45. Really? Why? You think Kerry/Obama wouldn't have given her a heads up?
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

Boxer was on CNN within an hour after it broke, saying she'd read it thoroughly and armed with party line spin points.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
70. The way these reports work
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

they probably told the president, as a courtesy, in the morning briefing.

Oh and on edit, listen to Boxer, her talking points are the same they have been. They do not address whatsoever the most daming parts of the report

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