2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAPNewsBreak: State Dept audit faults Clinton in emails
The inspector general's 78-page analysis, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, cites "longstanding, systemic weaknesses" related to the agency's communications. These started before Clinton's appointment as secretary of state, but her failures were singled out as more serious.
Despite guidelines to the contrary and never seeking approval, Clinton used mobile devices to conduct official business on her personal email account and private server. She never sought approval from senior information officers, who would have refused the request because of security risks, the audit said.
"By Secretary Clinton's tenure, the department's guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated," it concluded. "Secretary Clinton's cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e9cf125b8af1417a8cdd0b3526a1ce9e/apnewsbreak-state-dept-audit-faults-clinton-emails
Oh and this is not the FBI investigation, just the state department. I have not seen it yet here.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Yup not the FBI but I'm sure this will definitely have bering on that case as well.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)looking for the actual report, The WAPO has it embedded, I want to download the damn thing
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)78 pages! And some of the excerpts have been interesting to say the least.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will be out covering news today.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)I "hacked" into the code of the Wapo and found where they were linking to in their internal viewer and put that there. If you click that you should get the full PDF you can download.
Edit: I'm not sure your browser but whichever one you have should have something similar. Just right click my link and it should have "download link as" or something. That will download it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)thanks
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)wrist and withstand Sanders supporters' meaningless criticism.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"Helps government focus on problems" - love it, thanks for a nice laugh.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)This is a boon for trump.
And if this had been a republican, you'd be screaming in outrage.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)equivalent of jaywalking did not compromise the USA. Yeah, it COULD have, as might anyone in the state department, hackers targeting the official government servers, Trump getting intelligence briefings, etc. But, it didn't happen and I suspect her emails were more secure than ever before.
Your last sentence is hilarious, as you are now screaming in outrage about Clinton and giving GOPers comfort.
cali
(114,904 posts)And I'm not screaming in outrage about her giving repubs comfort. I'm stating what I've always said: She's a weak and flawed candidate. And she is not a talented campaigner. This isn't news.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)because you know what? You think Sanders will touch this, nope, but Trump will, and oh boy will he.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I have been posting here for over a decade in baited breath to support Trump.
You don't realize how ridiculous that is. But trump will use it. Sanders has refused to. Deal with those pesky well...facts
As a talking point this scores a 10 in the ridiculous scale
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Beausoir
(7,540 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)While you keep talking a big game, we will be in tmwfi elf covering, quite possibly, a riot.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)trudyco
(1,258 posts)I think it was during the Bush years about the Repukes.
I never thought then it would apply to her. I really thought she was a victim of right wingers and a husband with a crappy libido.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)righties making much out of nothing.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)to help out the right if possible.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you think a State Department Report is not breaking news? Funny, you should quickly inform the news media of this. Plus if this was a republican you would be screaming to high heaven.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)Could it be your posts reflect that mind-set, i.e. "if this was a republican you would be screaming to high heavens?" You could have said Bernie, but, no, you chose to say REPUBLICAN.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You guys are funny. My ethics are not situational. Obviously yours are
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The fetal position. You might call it as you see it. Well I do as well. This is a weak flawed candidate giving all kinds of target practice. The adds the Trump campaign will use write themselves.
And by the way, you want the news media to coddle and protect? Because this is the morning breaking news.
My goodness. Either you guys are new to this process, or pretend to be.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)Can't believe the amount of hate Bernie people emit!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is news to me, no pun.
But really, you guys act in a way that is impressive
By the way, who I support is between and the central tabulator. My vote will be whatever who counts the votes decided it was. And I doubt I will be told who I officially voted for, That is not hate, that is the state of elections in the US.
inchhigh
(384 posts)Rice's name appears in the report 13 times.
Kerry 14 times.
Powell 17 times.
Clinton 125 times.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Also:
"By Secretary Clinton's tenure, the department's guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated," it concluded. "Secretary Clinton's cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives."
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Powell, Rice, and Clinton. Right-wing Secretaries of State who don't follow the rules.
What great company she's in
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)If an action is pursued against them, perhaps revoking security clearances for example, so what? But you can't have a President who doesn't have security clearances.
Beausoir
(7,540 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"By Secretary Clinton's tenure, the department's guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated," it concluded. "Secretary Clinton's cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives."
Autumn
(48,962 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Notice it is a three month old article...
The State Department's internal investigation arm issued a final memorandum today on the email practices of past and current secretaries of state, and it said definitively that past secretaries handled classified material on unclassified email systems.
The same claims were made in an early February memo when the State Department's inspector general first announced it was conducting a records review related to the email accounts of five secretaries of state -- Madeline Albright, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry -- and their immediate staff.
After closely examining a number of potentially sensitive emails with help from State Department and Intelligence Community officials, the State Department's inspector general concluded that 12 emails contain "national security information classified at the Secret or Confidential levels." Additionally, it was determined none of the emails contained intelligence information, meaning it was classified for other reasons.
The emails in question, as the inspector general has previously stated, came from Secretary Powell's personal email account and personal email accounts of Secretary Rice's immediate staff.
In a recent statements to ABC News, Powell disputed the claims.
"I have reviewed the messages and I do not see what makes them classified." Powell said. "The emails were from my Executive Assistant and forwarded messages sent by two of our Ambassadors to State Department staff members. My Executive Assistant thought I should see them in a timely manner so sent them to my personal account. Both messages were unclassified. There was no reason not to forward them in this manner. ... The Ambassadors did not believe the contents were Confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified. That is a fact. While they have not yet clarified this point, the State Department cannot now say they were classified then because they weren't. If the Department wishes to say a dozen years later they should have been classified that is an opinion of the Department that I do not share."
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Bob41213
(491 posts)There's a copy of the document in this page which is dated May 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/state-department-report-on-clintons-email-practices/2039/?tid=a_inl
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)today was the REPORT
frylock
(34,825 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)I'm not getting which position are Senior Officials to the Secretary of State position other than the President, referenced here as the people she should have sought authorization. Unless the reference is senior positions she should have consulted with?
It's just a little confusing to me, if anyone can clarify.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)like NSA, and CIA, though Obama has the final word though
2banon
(7,321 posts)But the Alpha Bet Intel Community aren't officially Senior to SoS, they are all supposed to be serving at the pleasure of the President, at least on it's face, right?
I fully recognize they don't and haven't since the inception of the CIA, but that's another discussion..
It's a minor point, I don't want to dwell on it much, but it just seems the press should at least attempt to be clear on a point that may present legal consequences.
The press often uses the reference "senior officials", without naming names to give credibility to an article being published, but it really does behoove them to be more concise.
I think it has been established Obama did NOT give authorization, and others within the State Dept had strongly urged cease desist. But if the President is the sole official Senior to her, than she doesn't have a problem, cuz he's not going to press for indictment etc. We all know that, right? the DoJ isn't going to go after HRC, so I frankly feel this is just a distraction.
Unless, I'm missing something here.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)if the DOJ presses charges, the administration loses that aura of clean... if they do not, and especially if she gets the presidency we are going to go into a Watergate scenario,
They are already in serious damage control this morning.
merbex
(3,123 posts)Jeezus.
IF she gets the nomination, pay close attention to her VP:that person will/could end up as President
2banon
(7,321 posts)You're spot on too wrt to VP.
I've seen a name floated out there who I have no familiarity. Latino name. Obviously intended to garner Latino Votes. Don't know his background.
Sorry, I forget his name at the moment.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but yes I suspect that is coming
2banon
(7,321 posts)But I don't believe it will ultimately play out in the end, the way of Nixon.
I think it's going to go the way of Fitzmas..
I could be wrong, and it will be interesting, but unfortunately a very unpleasant path to the coronation and beginning to her first term. To say the least.
I don't have cable so I'm missing the damage control in the media.
Thanks for the clarity and the heads up.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it goes that way, we will have a revolt. I wonder how many intel professionals are willing to resign en masse when it comes to it, but that is one thing I have heard.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Tuned on NPR's KQED .. So I heard their report now. In summary, NPR is saying that it's a scathing report, but at the end of the day the problem started up in previous administrations. In that report,they don't say how many administrations, or how far back.. leaving one to infer at least as far back as the previous Clinton Administration, (Bush/Clinton ?)
I'm thinking Bush/Clinton/Bush/Reagan .. so I'm compelled to expect not even as much as a Fitzmas will occur.
They can't go after HRC if they don't go after Condi, and all the previous SoS which include all the SoS's under Republican admins.
If the Intel communities revolt, they'd better make it non-partisan or it's going to be considered extremely political and dismissed by everyone except teabaggers.
By non-partisan, I mean all of the SoS's going as far back as Bush Sr. and Reagan..
Although they didn't have smart phones and blackberry's. they did have computerized cable, right? The Pentagon invented this thing, so I'd say they had old school telecommunications capabilities in play I suspect.
In any event, yes the teabaggers in Congress will certainly make hay out of her failings, disregarding the double standard.
And it will be ugly, that's a guarantee. They'll be no end to it on the teevees.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Seventeen members. POTUS, VP, heads of Intel agencies, Chairman Joint Chiefs, some Secretaries, etc. I recently read (but right now I can't think of the author) that this NSC was like a dagger aimed at her and could do much damage to her. Need to learn more.
I think many of us wish that Obama would cut her loose to face justice.
2banon
(7,321 posts)SoS answers to Joint Chiefs too? Gotta bone up on Cabinet hierarchy!
Why I had the idea that the SoS served solely at the pleasure of the Prez I can't explain.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and I don't think individually. I just have seen the NSC mentioned as having dangerous teeth in this matter.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I liken them to what the Christic Institute referenced as the "Government within the Government". During Iran Contra..
That's when I learned some things about the "inner workings" of the intelligence communities - how they control all foreign AND domestic affairs (elections/media news content) ..
But I think during Bush/Cheney it became apparent the intel communities aren't all on the same page and some working against each other, different agendas, different world views alliances.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I predict demand will soon soar.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it is childish and also a gay slurr
Thank you in advance.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)zappaman
(20,627 posts)This is so exciting!
Do you think this will propel your guy, Bernie, into the White House!?

nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Who controls hearings in both the house and Senate?
Oh, that's right they won't hold hearings on this during the election cycle......
And this is not even the FBI report, nor the Justice dept. decision
I don't know if to laugh or cry.
Listen folks this was her own doing not mine, not Obama, not Sanders, not the republicans not the FBIs .........it falls on her and this story is not gonna go away no matter how much one might wish.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)I thought "journos" were supposed to try and contain their partisan excitement?
Well, I'll give you a pass since a "blogger" is not technically a "journo".
Please proceed, Governor!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)or you are just making shit up as usual
You see, that is an AP story, it is all over. DEAL WITH IT.
Now I am going to really enjoy how much you do not enjoy this though. It is a show, the best on earth.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)Per CNN.
Couldn't be that her refusal to take part in the agreed-upon CA debate has anything to do with not wanting to face the music about this, I'm sure.
After all, her previous answer was that she didn't do anything worse than what he did. Now we know that is untrue. He followed the rules in place at that time, she did not.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)Boxer was on CNN within an hour after it broke, saying she'd read it thoroughly and armed with party line spin points.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they probably told the president, as a courtesy, in the morning briefing.
Oh and on edit, listen to Boxer, her talking points are the same they have been. They do not address whatsoever the most daming parts of the report