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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:32 AM May 2016

State Department: Hillary Clinton DID NOT COMPLY With The Federal Records Act




The State Department Inspector General is out with the report on Hillary Clinton’s private email server. NBC News has obtained that report.
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State Department: Hillary Clinton DID NOT COMPLY With The Federal Records Act (Original Post) Segami May 2016 OP
Hillary, Looks like your cloth wipe didn't do such a good job Segami May 2016 #1
I have to say, the mendacity and arrogance is overwhelming. She is either INCOMPETENT or roguevalley May 2016 #44
'Let’s get separate address or device but I don’t want any risk of the personal being accessible.' Octafish May 2016 #2
If elected, a HRC impeachment is a certainty. HooptieWagon May 2016 #3
Republicans are licking their chops..... Segami May 2016 #15
Democrats are loading the gun and handing it to Republicans to use. HooptieWagon May 2016 #17
That would be SOS John Kerry. You have a problem with investigating wrongdoing that may have JudyM May 2016 #23
I don't have a problem whatsoever with investigating wrongdoing. HooptieWagon May 2016 #32
I agree with you. Exceedingly dumb. JudyM May 2016 #35
Are we all excited to see how well she handles yet even more republican hearings? Autumn May 2016 #22
She has already cost taxpayers a ton of $ with these investigations. And turning over 50,000 JudyM May 2016 #36
esp if you consider mooseprime May 2016 #42
Yep. Insulting to both the team reviewing the docs and to taxpayers. JudyM May 2016 #49
Relax, there is zero chance of that. lagomorph777 May 2016 #16
She won't make it to the GE. She'll be replaced at the Convention. leveymg May 2016 #27
Well, that would "unify" the party base, both Hillary and Bernie supporters lagomorph777 May 2016 #43
And, yet, chervilant May 2016 #4
Forget about her,....I say the super delegates better pay close attention Segami May 2016 #5
I agree, that's their one and only job: pay attention to developments that may merbex May 2016 #47
But Trump is bad! mindwalker_i May 2016 #6
It's called a prima facie case: clear on the basis of known facts. Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #7
True. The State Dept investigation is just an internal review. HooptieWagon May 2016 #20
But didn't Bill Clinton Segami May 2016 #25
Thank you. Clear and to the point. highprincipleswork May 2016 #34
Haven't we known she violated FOIA since this story broke? icecreamfan May 2016 #8
"If the President does it, it isn't illegal." TheSarcastinator May 2016 #9
Too bad for her she's not the president..... Segami May 2016 #10
She will not be able to govern if elected ram2008 May 2016 #11
*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP* Tarc May 2016 #12
This report is just another in a long line of OIG audits that have been devastating to Hillary's NWCorona May 2016 #13
'and pevious SOS' MariaThinks May 2016 #14
By Clinton's tenure the departments guidelines were considerably more detailed Autumn May 2016 #18
of course they were MariaThinks May 2016 #33
It's in the report you read Autumn May 2016 #39
Indeed they were... jmg257 May 2016 #46
And so we edge ever closer... catnhatnh May 2016 #19
Portions of the report that are MIA in so many of these DU post are summed up: Sheepshank May 2016 #21
That's the part that the Hillary haters choose to ignore. The government was not and still is not Trust Buster May 2016 #28
Yup it's again someone elses fault? timmymoff May 2016 #29
A systematic problem is not just one person's fault, political hatred aside. Trust Buster May 2016 #31
seems her life is filled with systematic problems, because everything is someone else's timmymoff May 2016 #50
Amazing that this defense of her is basically beac May 2016 #48
Nor did other SOS until Kerry. seabeyond May 2016 #24
The report also criticized the systematic problems involving government emails. Trust Buster May 2016 #26
True, there are inconsistencies and problems within the department. Avalux May 2016 #41
K&R amborin May 2016 #30
This is the softball report, the most favorable she's going to get. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #37
Very good point! GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #38
This is why the intense pressure to get Bernie to drop-out. me b zola May 2016 #40
Weak sauce. This is only a small part of it . . .just about preserving her email for FOIA. pdsimdars May 2016 #45
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
1. Hillary, Looks like your cloth wipe didn't do such a good job
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 25, 2016, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1)

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
44. I have to say, the mendacity and arrogance is overwhelming. She is either INCOMPETENT or
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

CRIMINAL. I don't know which one it is but they have to be assessed for ACCOUNTABILITY. No one rich skates for anyone.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. If elected, a HRC impeachment is a certainty.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

It will probably be the only husband/wife POTUS impeachments in US history. Quite a legacy we have to look forward to.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Democrats are loading the gun and handing it to Republicans to use.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

Is their such a thing as suicide by incompetence? Does the DNC get a collective Darwin Award? There is no plan other than "it's her turn, she's entitled". No one says "stop! This is insane and stupid!".

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
23. That would be SOS John Kerry. You have a problem with investigating wrongdoing that may have
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

compromised us?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
32. I don't have a problem whatsoever with investigating wrongdoing.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

The insanity is nominating the subject of the investigation for political office, while the investigation is still underway. Does that not seem like a dumb move to you?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
22. Are we all excited to see how well she handles yet even more republican hearings?
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016


She needs to go away. Far far fucking away.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
36. She has already cost taxpayers a ton of $ with these investigations. And turning over 50,000
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

pages of *paper* records - for effect, rather than turning them over in electronic copy which would be far easier to view and far, far better for the environment.

mooseprime

(476 posts)
42. esp if you consider
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

the difference in time and effort searching for individual names and keywords in electronic format vs. through printed pages. handing the stuff over in hard copy is an affront to the process.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
27. She won't make it to the GE. She'll be replaced at the Convention.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

I'm thinking a "party unity slate" will come out, possibly Biden-Warren, although it may be Warren teamed with another established party regular. The party leadership has had since last March to put succession planning into effect, and this is the most likely outcome.

Clinton will be pardoned after the Election, and we won't hear much about her again.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
43. Well, that would "unify" the party base, both Hillary and Bernie supporters
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

against the Party. They would go down in flames.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
4. And, yet,
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

this is the candidate the Democratic Party wants to cram down our throats.

SMDH!

#DropOutHillary

#BernieOrBust

(She'd better pay attention to the "Bernie or Bust" movement...)

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
5. Forget about her,....I say the super delegates better pay close attention
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

to these developments.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
47. I agree, that's their one and only job: pay attention to developments that may
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:21 PM
May 2016

compromise or hasten the defeat of the person nominated.

Hey, SUPER DELEGATES: DO your f**king JOB!

Pay attention and read these reports, watch the depositions as they come out.

I'm serving notice:I am not asking anyone to vote for HRC if it appears she broke a law or endangered National Security of this country.

That's MY line in the sand.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
7. It's called a prima facie case: clear on the basis of known facts.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

Hillary Rodham Clinton has committed a felony. That is apparent from the facts and in the plain-language of the federal statute that prohibits "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information", 18 U.S. Code § 793(e) and (f). This offense carries a potential penalty of ten years imprisonment.

It's up to prosecutorial discretion by the US Attorney as to what charges may be filed and when. Nonetheless, Mrs. Clinton is clearly chargeable for violation of federal law. As of right now, the matter is under FBI investigation. This isn't just about violation of Departmental policy.

Secretary Clinton was trained in handling of classified materials, and acknowledges that she understood them. By transmitting and receiving email correspondence that contained information gleaned from foreign government sources on an unauthorized, insecure system, she violated the law. This was not something she did unwittingly, and that the foreign government sourced material was not stamped classified is irrelevant.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
20. True. The State Dept investigation is just an internal review.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

It alone looks bad, but carries no threat of criminal prosecution. However, the OIG report is just a small portion of the evidence the FBI has. They have server forensics, interviews with witnesses the OIG didn't have, and possibly wiretap and othe electronic evidence. If the Indpector Generals report looks bad, the FBI's will be much worse.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
25. But didn't Bill Clinton
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:30 PM
May 2016

 dismiss the FBI’s involvement, and called the entire episode “a game” concocted by Hillary’s opponents?


Buckle up....smells like something big is about to pop out sooner rather later

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
8. Haven't we known she violated FOIA since this story broke?
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

I'm sure she has nothing but contempt for open government records laws, and that isn't a good thing.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
13. This report is just another in a long line of OIG audits that have been devastating to Hillary's
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

tenure as SoS. Like the time that she lost $6 billion or the report that said while Hillary had a sizable budget to increase cybersecurity and update the IT department she spent zero of that and as a result the state department IT infrastructure was rated among the worst in government.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
18. By Clinton's tenure the departments guidelines were considerably more detailed
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

and sophisticated than under the pevious SOS' and she still didn't bother to comply with that guidance.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
46. Indeed they were...
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

"Secretary Clinton: By Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Department’s guidance was considerably
more detailed and more sophisticated. Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the
Department revised the FAM and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the
obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not
doing so. Secretary Clinton’s cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of
these more comprehensive directives."
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
21. Portions of the report that are MIA in so many of these DU post are summed up:
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

No formal, consistent, modern protocol in place when Hillary was SoS, and making up the rule as they go along, creating new and applicable rules after Hillary leaves her post as SoS, and a verbal indictment of email habits in hindsight.

Mark Toner, a State Department spokesman, said the report underscores the need for federal agencies to adapt “decades-old record-keeping practices to the email-dominated modern era.” He said it is clear from the report that the department could have preserved emails better under multiple secretaries of state but said that multiple improvements have been put in place under Secretary of State John F. Kerry to improve record retention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-inspector-general-report-sharply-criticizes-clintons-email-practices/2016/05/25/fc6f8ebc-2275-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
28. That's the part that the Hillary haters choose to ignore. The government was not and still is not
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

prepared for the digital age.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
50. seems her life is filled with systematic problems, because everything is someone else's
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

fault, no accountability. Iraq war vote, dubya tricked her. all the problems of the 90s . vast right wing conspiracy. falling numbers now, Bernie not her record. Someone else is always hurting our Goldwater girl but it's just never her fault, ever. FBI investigation, right wing, more excuses than results.

beac

(9,992 posts)
48. Amazing that this defense of her is basically
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016
"How could she ever have known her employer would want to preserve her work product?" That's an excuse that's barely plausible for someone leaving an entry-level position at some tiny company.
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. The report also criticized the systematic problems involving government emails.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

She will still beat Trump despite the efforts by some on DU to help Trump.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
41. True, there are inconsistencies and problems within the department.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

However - for the written policies and procedures effectively in place during her tenure, Clinton violated them.

Can't explain that away by pointing to SD internal issues or the actions of past SoSs.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
37. This is the softball report, the most favorable she's going to get.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

The State Dept. has been weakly covering up for her where it could do so without sticking its neck out too far.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
40. This is why the intense pressure to get Bernie to drop-out.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

If Hillary is going to be replaced the establishment wants one of their own as the nominee.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
45. Weak sauce. This is only a small part of it . . .just about preserving her email for FOIA.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

I didn't hear anything about National Security breach.
Didn't even mention breaking laws.
Seemed to somehow make it equivalent to Powell and Rice. When it has almost NOTHING to do with that.
If this is all that IG came up with, he's not telling the whole story. Maybe that's the only part they deal with, but this is weak sauce.

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