2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumState Department: Hillary Clinton DID NOT COMPLY With The Federal Records Act
The State Department Inspector General is out with the report on Hillary Clintons private email server. NBC News has obtained that report.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Last edited Wed May 25, 2016, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1)
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)CRIMINAL. I don't know which one it is but they have to be assessed for ACCOUNTABILITY. No one rich skates for anyone.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It will probably be the only husband/wife POTUS impeachments in US history. Quite a legacy we have to look forward to.
Segami
(14,923 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Is their such a thing as suicide by incompetence? Does the DNC get a collective Darwin Award? There is no plan other than "it's her turn, she's entitled". No one says "stop! This is insane and stupid!".
JudyM
(29,785 posts)compromised us?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The insanity is nominating the subject of the investigation for political office, while the investigation is still underway. Does that not seem like a dumb move to you?
JudyM
(29,785 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)She needs to go away. Far far fucking away.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)pages of *paper* records - for effect, rather than turning them over in electronic copy which would be far easier to view and far, far better for the environment.
mooseprime
(476 posts)the difference in time and effort searching for individual names and keywords in electronic format vs. through printed pages. handing the stuff over in hard copy is an affront to the process.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)She is unelectable in the GE. Hello President Trump.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I'm thinking a "party unity slate" will come out, possibly Biden-Warren, although it may be Warren teamed with another established party regular. The party leadership has had since last March to put succession planning into effect, and this is the most likely outcome.
Clinton will be pardoned after the Election, and we won't hear much about her again.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)against the Party. They would go down in flames.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)this is the candidate the Democratic Party wants to cram down our throats.
SMDH!
#DropOutHillary
#BernieOrBust
(She'd better pay attention to the "Bernie or Bust" movement...)
Segami
(14,923 posts)to these developments.
merbex
(3,123 posts)compromise or hasten the defeat of the person nominated.
Hey, SUPER DELEGATES: DO your f**king JOB!
Pay attention and read these reports, watch the depositions as they come out.
I'm serving notice:I am not asking anyone to vote for HRC if it appears she broke a law or endangered National Security of this country.
That's MY line in the sand.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)And stuff.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Hillary Rodham Clinton has committed a felony. That is apparent from the facts and in the plain-language of the federal statute that prohibits "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information", 18 U.S. Code § 793(e) and (f). This offense carries a potential penalty of ten years imprisonment.
It's up to prosecutorial discretion by the US Attorney as to what charges may be filed and when. Nonetheless, Mrs. Clinton is clearly chargeable for violation of federal law. As of right now, the matter is under FBI investigation. This isn't just about violation of Departmental policy.
Secretary Clinton was trained in handling of classified materials, and acknowledges that she understood them. By transmitting and receiving email correspondence that contained information gleaned from foreign government sources on an unauthorized, insecure system, she violated the law. This was not something she did unwittingly, and that the foreign government sourced material was not stamped classified is irrelevant.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It alone looks bad, but carries no threat of criminal prosecution. However, the OIG report is just a small portion of the evidence the FBI has. They have server forensics, interviews with witnesses the OIG didn't have, and possibly wiretap and othe electronic evidence. If the Indpector Generals report looks bad, the FBI's will be much worse.
Segami
(14,923 posts) dismiss the FBIs involvement, and called the entire episode a game concocted by Hillarys opponents?
Buckle up....smells like something big is about to pop out sooner rather later
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)icecreamfan
(115 posts)I'm sure she has nothing but contempt for open government records laws, and that isn't a good thing.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Hillary is Nixon redux.
Segami
(14,923 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)4 years will be wasted.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)tenure as SoS. Like the time that she lost $6 billion or the report that said while Hillary had a sizable budget to increase cybersecurity and update the IT department she spent zero of that and as a result the state department IT infrastructure was rated among the worst in government.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)and sophisticated than under the pevious SOS' and she still didn't bother to comply with that guidance.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)sarcasm off
Autumn
(48,962 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)"Secretary Clinton: By Secretary Clintons tenure, the Departments guidance was considerably
more detailed and more sophisticated. Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the
Department revised the FAM and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the
obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not
doing so. Secretary Clintons cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of
these more comprehensive directives."
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)to President Cuban......
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)No formal, consistent, modern protocol in place when Hillary was SoS, and making up the rule as they go along, creating new and applicable rules after Hillary leaves her post as SoS, and a verbal indictment of email habits in hindsight.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-inspector-general-report-sharply-criticizes-clintons-email-practices/2016/05/25/fc6f8ebc-2275-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)prepared for the digital age.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)fault, no accountability. Iraq war vote, dubya tricked her. all the problems of the 90s . vast right wing conspiracy. falling numbers now, Bernie not her record. Someone else is always hurting our Goldwater girl but it's just never her fault, ever. FBI investigation, right wing, more excuses than results.
beac
(9,992 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)She will still beat Trump despite the efforts by some on DU to help Trump.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)However - for the written policies and procedures effectively in place during her tenure, Clinton violated them.
Can't explain that away by pointing to SD internal issues or the actions of past SoSs.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)The State Dept. has been weakly covering up for her where it could do so without sticking its neck out too far.
GreenPartyVoter
(73,393 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)If Hillary is going to be replaced the establishment wants one of their own as the nominee.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I didn't hear anything about National Security breach.
Didn't even mention breaking laws.
Seemed to somehow make it equivalent to Powell and Rice. When it has almost NOTHING to do with that.
If this is all that IG came up with, he's not telling the whole story. Maybe that's the only part they deal with, but this is weak sauce.