State Departments statement about Hillary Email problem had me Upset with Her

[MariaThinks]

Then I read the fineprint:

"
- A State Department audit has faulted Hillary Clinton and previous secretaries of state for poorly managing email and other computer information and slowly responding to new cybersecurity risks.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of the report by the agency's inspector general Wednesday.

It cites "longstanding, systemic weaknesses" related to communications. These started before Clinton's appointment as secretary of state, but her failures were singled out as more serious."




The key words being 'previous secretaries of state'. Why has this problem been put on Hillary when it was conventional practice from all previous SOS as well. The way these stories are being paraded made it sound like Hillary was the only one uncompliant. I thought we were better and more fair.

[hrmjustin]

1. Because the media hates the Clintons.

[scscholar]

56. This. Republicans created the problem

It isn't justice if they're not held accountable first.

[MariaThinks]

65. Nice graphic

[hrmjustin]

70. Thanks!

[NV Whino]

2. Once again...

No other SoS had an unsecured server in their house.

[niyad]

5. right on schedule.

[tonyt53]

6. Actually, her setup was far more secure than what Powell or Rice used.

[cali]

9. Evidence for that claim?

[yodermon]

33. +1. It was running unsecured without encryption for 2 months in 2009.

I too would love to see the rationalization of this claim.

[roguevalley]

59. Guccifer vouches for her security. :D Two wrongs apparently make a right.

[MariaThinks]

10. kick

[Bob41213]

11. SAYS WHO?

HRC? It was a hack job waiting to be hacked. It was totally vulnerable. It left open VNC and RDP ports. It's unfathomable that someone would consider that "secure."

[MariaThinks]

66. So concerned about national security

[think]

15. Bullshit

[NWCorona]

25. One had 128 bit encryption and the other had open ports with outdated and highly vulnerable

Remote client software installed. Take a guess which is which?

[tonyt53]

26. How many supposedly extremely secure US government servers have been hacked?

Other than claims by Guccifer, which have never been proven, why would anybody search a server at her home, or even suspect that there was one?

[NWCorona]

28. There's all kinds of problems with that post.

[yodermon]

38. You mean when it was running without encryption for 2 months in 2009?

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/235493-clinton-email-lacked-encryption-certificate-for-three-months

Hillary Clinton did not encrypt her private email service with a digital certificate for the first three months of her tenure as secretary of State, according to a security research firm

After scanning Clinton’s domain, clintonemail.com, the security firm Venafi found that from January to March 2009, the domain had no digital certificate issued by an authority, which shows a site is secured.

“This means that during the first three months of Secretary Clinton’s term in office, web browser, smartphone and tablet communications would not have been encrypted,” said Kevin Bocek, vice president of security strategy and threat intelligence at Venafi, in a blog post.

According to Clinton’s travel records, she went to China, Egypt, Israel, Japan and South Korea, among other countries, during that time.

Plus her Blackberry use was specifically disallowed by the NSA:

February 13, 2009: The NSA refuses to set up a secure BlackBerry for Clinton. Although the National Security Agency (NSA) has set up a secure, encrypted BlackBerry for President Obama, they are not interested in making one for Clinton. On this day, Donald Reid, the State Department's senior coordinator for security infrastructure, writes in an email, "The current state of the art is not too user friendly, has no infrastructure at State, and is very expensive." He adds that "each time we asked the question 'What was the solution for [President Obama]?' we were politely told to shut up and color." On February 18, 2009, Reid says in an email, "The issue here is one of personal comfort," because Clinton and her top aides are "dedicated [BlackBerry] addicts." (The Washington Post, 3/27/2016) http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

Source: The Clinton Email Scandal Timeline ©2016 #ClintonEmailTimeline
http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Long_Version_-_Part_1#entry021309nsarefuses

"More Secure". Ok sure, go with that.

[2cannan]

43. Rice and Powell did nothing like what Hillary did.

I know it won't make any difference to hardcore Hillary supporters but this is what has been reported specifically about Rice and Powell. And they didn't do what she did.

snip

March 3, 2015: A Clinton aide makes misleading comparisons to previous secretaries of state. An unnamed Clinton aide says about Clinton's use of a private email account and server, "Nothing nefarious was at play. She had a BlackBerry, she used it prior to State, and like her predecessors she continued to use it when she got to State." (Politico, 3/3/2015) However, a week later, The Wall Street Journal will report that Condoleezza Rice, Clinton's predecessor as secretary of state, had a government email account and no private email account for work-related matters. Rice only used the account occasionally, but she did use it. (Wall Street Journal, 3/10/2015) Furthermore, Rice did not use a BlackBerry or similar device. (Ars Technica, 3/17/2016) Earlier secretaries of state did not use BlackBerrys and did not use private email accounts for government work. (ABC News, 3/4/2016)

http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Long_Version_-_Part_4

August 2015: Secretary of State Powell received two classified emails, but under very different circumstances than Clinton. Clinton's personal lawyer David Kendall writes a letter to the State Department claiming that Clinton's "use of personal email was consistent with the practices of other secretaries of state." Kendall points in particular to Colin Powell, who appears to be the only other secretary of state to use a private email account while in office. But Powell had a government email account in addition to private one. According to The Washington Post, "Powell conducted virtually all of his classified communications on paper or over a State Department computer installed on his desk that was reserved for classified information, according to interviews." He also had a phone line installed in his office solely to link to his private email account, which he generally used for personal or non-classified communication. The State Department's inspector general did find that Powell's personal email account had received two emails from staff that contained "national security information classified at the 'secret' or 'confidential' levels." (The Washington Post, 3/27/2016) It will later come out that the two emails were at the lowest 'confidential' level and did not actually contain any intelligence but were classified for other reasons. (ABC News, 3/4/2016)

http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Long_Version_-_Part_5

[840high]

57. How would you know?

[brush]

54. The government had such outdated computers it was laughable

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Some workers did not even have computers on their desks.

No wonder the SOSs resorted to other means.

[NV Whino]

62. That, however true it may be, is not under discussion.

[niyad]

3. when we point out that previous sec's did the same thing, we are told, "oh, no, what she did was soo

much worse."

the vitriol and hatred for Sec. Clinton on this board is astounding.

[cali]

12. Because that claim is false.

[MariaThinks]

13. only worse because it was hillary. i hear the power cord hillary used was much longer

imagine how much more it cost the taxpayers.

[karynnj]

41. Either you know nothing about computers or you are intentionally putting your fingers in your ear

-- and thinking that will lead to no one hearing this.

The fact is that where Powell SOMETIMES uses personal email and failed to archive that, HRC ALWAYS used private email - on her on server -- and failed to archive her email IN SPITE of many already existing inquiries.

She put the SD in a terrible position. Once people high enough in the SD learned that she had not done anything to archive her email -- other than claim than any of it sent to state.gov would be there, they were in a position where they had to demand she return it and they had to have the IG investigate both that and their current practices.

Anything less would have implicated her successor in covering up for her --- and Kerry has spent a career arguing for transparency.

[MariaThinks]

30. i'm always astounding by how much so called progressives can hate her

over right wing talking points

[karynnj]

48. You and others have called comments that were pretty close to this report's conclusions

right wing. I do not care that David Brock says they are. You can say HRC screwed up on this and not be right wing. She said it was a "mistake" herself. However, it appears that the set up was neither a "mistake" or "for convenience", but to avoid oversight. To me, it has been a problem since March 2015 to know that she commingled all her mail.

I KNOW that even 2 decades ago, no one was supposed to do this at either Bell Labs or AT&T -- and that included low level management.

[yeoman6987]

35. Nobody on the board has a say in the final outcome

That is up to the FBI and AG. We will wait final outcome from them. Words on here will have zero say on the conclusion.

[morningfog]

69. Read the report. What she did was completely different and she tried to hide it.

[tonyt53]

4. Sort of odd, isn't it?

[berni_mccoy]

7. She went way beyond "previous" problems. And it was intentional

Fueled by her hubris

[840high]

58. Yes. +1

[bigwillq]

8. Translation: They're all at fault and showed poor leadership.

And I want none of them as president.

[seabeyond]

19. No one gave a shot then, weren't tech savvy and tech world wasn't brought to them. Realty.

[karynnj]

49. I guess that rules out Condi Rice or Powell as Trump VPs.

I don't think that ALbright was on Clinton's short list -- or anyone else's.

[CrowCityDem]

14. Other Bush officials used private servers too:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/missing-white-house-emails

[think]

16. one of the many things they should have been prosecuted for...

[NV Whino]

21. Um, let's see, I don't see the SoS mentioned here

I see the word "officials," with no indication of their security clearance. No, I'm not defending them, but we are talking about the Secretary of State, with one of the highest security clearances, with an unsecured server in her home.

[yodermon]

40. Awesome that HRC takes her lead on email security from the Bush criminal cabal.

Please proceed with this line of defense.

[ciaobaby]

52. Well if everybody else did it then it must be ok

kinda like accepting money from Wall Street, Big Banks, Big Pharma, etc, etc, etc,

Can we find anyone in politics with just a wee bit of integrity ?
Oh wait, there is one - BS.

[merrily]

53. Nowhere near as "private" as Hillary's, but a non-government" (GOP) server.

In 2007, when Congress asked the Bush administration for emails surrounding the firing of eights U.S. attorneys, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales revealed that many of the emails requested could not be produced because they were sent on a non-government email server. The officials had used the private domain gwb43.com, a server run by the Republican National Committee. Two years later, it was revealed that potentially 22 million emails were deleted, which was considered by some to be a violation of the Presidential Records Act.

Apparently, they were doing work for the Republican Party.

[bunnies]

17. Where in the piece is your quote?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/apnewsbreak-state-dept-audit-faults-clinton-emails-39365621

I cant find it.

[seabeyond]

18. Exactly. Thank you. I just had this conversation and until it goes beyond all the others, I don't

Give a shit. I agree.

[Skwmom]

20. Did previous SOS use a PRIVATE SERVER?

[Bob41213]

22. But, according to Hillary, this is the most secure private email server any SOS ever had....

(sarcasm)

[LAS14]

23. k & r

[Matt_in_STL]

24. Cool. She did what Republicans did.

That is an awesome selling point. "She's just as careless with our information as a Republican"

[inchhigh]

27. I got a parking ticket and my Buddy got a DUI. But we both did something wrong so its the same.

Rice's name appears in the report 13 times.

Kerry 14 times.

Powell 17 times.


Clinton 125 times.

[highprincipleswork]

29. Sorry. Even in the words you cite they say "her failures were singled out as more serious". Because

they were more serious, more extensive, etc.

She is the only one to work exclusively on a private server. Does that seem different? Does singling that out seem unfair?

[jeff47]

31. Because previous SoS did not take it to the degree Clinton did.

No previous SoS set up their own mail server. Nor did previous SoS use their email as extensively as Clinton did.

And so far, no classified has been found in previous SoS's emails.

Also "Republicans do it too!!" is not a defense.

[jmg257]

32. The report answers this for you

"Secretary Clinton: By Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Department’s guidance was considerably
more detailed and more sophisticated. Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the
Department revised the FAM and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the
obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not
doing so. Secretary Clinton’s cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of
these more comprehensive directives."
...

Secretary Clinton used mobile devices to conduct official business using the personal email
account on her private server extensively, as illustrated by the 55,000 pages of material making
up the approximately 30,000 emails she provided to the Department in December 2014.
Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the FAM stated that normal day-to-day operations
should be conducted on an authorized AIS,147 yet OIG found no evidence that the Secretary
requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email
account on her private server. According to the current CIO and Assistant Secretary for
Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email
account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to
provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according
to these officials, DS and IRM did not—and would not—approve her exclusive reliance on a
personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the FAM
and the security risks in doing so.

During Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the FAM also instructed employees that they were expected
to use approved, secure methods to transmit SBU information and that, if they needed to
transmit SBU information outside the Department’s OpenNet network on a regular basis to nonDepartmental
addresses, they should request a solution from IRM.148 However, OIG found no
evidence that Secretary Clinton ever contacted IRM to request such a solution, despite the fact
that emails exchanged on her personal account regularly contained information marked as SBU.
Similarly, the FAM contained provisions requiring employees who process SBU information on
their own devices to ensure that appropriate administrative, technical, and physical safeguards
are maintained to protect the confidentiality and integrity of records and to ensure encryption
of SBU information with products certified by NIST.149 With regard to encryption, Secretary
Clinton’s website states that “robust protections were put in place and additional upgrades and
techniques employed over time as they became available, including consulting and employing
third party experts.”150 Although this report does not address the safety or security of her
system, DS and IRM reported to OIG that Secretary Clinton never demonstrated to them that her
private server or mobile device met minimum information security requirements specified by
FISMA and the FAM. "

[bahrbearian]

34. her failures were singled out as more serious."

[Tarc]

36. "Why has this problem been put on Hillary" is a good question

"Clinton Derangement Syndrome"

and

"gender"

would be the top reasons.

[niyad]

39. but, to hear people, even here, gender has NOTHING to do with the vitriol and hatred

leveled against HRC.

[NV Whino]

63. Bull pucky

[TeddyR]

37. Here's why Hills is different

And why it matters - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/25/here-are-the-most-critical-parts-of-the-state-dept-inspector-general-report-on-clintons-email-use/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonemails-1030a-lede%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Note the last point. And I'm not real convinced by the "others broke the rules so I can too" argument.

[KoKo]

50. Top Clinton aide was warned...and dismissed those worries....

Top Clinton aide was warned...and dismissed those worries....

The inspector general, in a long awaited review obtained Wednesday by The Washington Post in advance of its publication, found that Clinton’s use of private email for public business was “not an appropriate method” of preserving documents and that her practices failed to comply with department policies meant to ensure federal record laws are followed.

The report says she should have printed and saved her emails during her four years in office or surrendered her work-related correspondence immediately upon stepping down in February 2013. Instead, Clinton provided those records in December 2014, nearly two years after leaving office.

The report found that a top Clinton aide was warned in 2010 that the system may not properly preserve records but dismissed those worries, indicating that the system had passed legal muster. But the inspector general said it could not show evidence of a review by legal counsel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-inspector-general-report-sharply-criticizes-clintons-email-practices/2016/05/25/fc6f8ebc-2275-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html?wpisrc=al_alert-COMBO-politics%252Bnation

[polly7]

42. She used her own private server and an 'adviser' blacklisted by Obama - away from

all scrutiny - to help destroy a sovereign nation that's resulted in suffering for millions of people in the region.

I thought she'd at least have had some oversight on this. Who is so all powerful that they can go behind their own President's back to do something like this, and why? Why the need to cause horror - especially after seeing what was done to Iraq?

[LondonReign2]

44. You were never upset with her

But it is nice to pretend so in order to post this OP

[MariaThinks]

45. You can't read my mind. I was very upset.

[LondonReign2]

47. Sure. Of course you were

[snowy owl]

46. More serious" means more serious. Previous SOS did not used home servers. Not conventional practice.

You need the facts. "More serious" means more serious. You are reading accurately and you need more information to be accurate.

[BillZBubb]

51. You need to do more thinking, Maria, and spend less time trying to excuse Hillary's errors.

What the others did was far less severe. What the others did WAS BEFORE a more strict system was implemented. What others did was not on an unsecure server in their house.

And even given all that, how childish is to whine "but, but the other kids did it too!".

You'll never objectively look at Hillary's many shortcomings. You've got a weak excuse for every one.

[Sheepshank]

55. Darn that barn door and all of those horses

No formal, consistent, modern protocol in place when Hillary was SoS, and making up the rule as they go along, creating new and applicable rules after Hillary leaves her post as SoS, reclassifying documents after the fact, and a verbal indictment of email habits in hindsight.

Mark Toner, a State Department spokesman, said the report underscores the need for federal agencies to adapt “decades-old record-keeping practices to the email-dominated modern era.” He said it is clear from the report that the department could have preserved emails better under multiple secretaries of state but said that multiple improvements have been put in place under Secretary of State John F. Kerry to improve record retention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-inspector-general-report-sharply-criticizes-clintons-email-practices/2016/05/25/fc6f8ebc-2275-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

[JoePhilly]

60. Everything is Hillary's fault.

We spent the last 8 years being told that everything was Obama's fault.

Since he can't run again ... everything bad in human history is now Hillary's fault.

[MariaThinks]

64. True. And suddenly his approval ratings have shot up over 50%

[rusty fender]

61. The only people who care about archiving emails

is Hillary haters and the super nerdy Hillary haters. How many people in the U.S. comprise this subset of people? 1% of the U.S. population?

How many of these people have ever broken a rule? All of them.

Knock yourselves out

[Autumn]

67. There were more comprehensive directives in place during Clinton's tenure so her failures

to preserve Federal documents are more serious than any former SOS's. She happily ignored those directives, and if you read the report you will see a couple of her lies she has bandied about this situation exposed.

[Demsrule86]

68. It is not a new article ...was discussed

ages ago on media matters.