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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:30 PM May 2016

Flashback: The State Dept didn't have a permanent IG during her entire tenure as SoS

"Inspectors General uncover waste, fraud and mismanagement in federal agencies. The State Department didn’t have an official one while Hillary Clinton worked there.

One of the many unanswered questions of the Hillary Clinton e-mail story has been: Whose job was it to raise and address concerns about her exclusive use of a private account? According to open government advocates, it would have been the agency’s permanent, independent Inspector General—someone nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate—if such a person had existed.

For five years, including all of Clinton’s time as secretary, the State Department’s Office of Inspector General never had a confirmed inspector. Instead, it was lead by acting inspector Harold W. Geisel, a former ambassador who was accused of being too cozy to agency leadership by transparency groups like the Project on Government Oversight. Throughout the first half of President Obama’s first term, the absence of a State Department Inspector General while internal scandals and Benghazi rocked the department drew bipartisan criticism.

“For no one to raise concerns, it’s almost impossible to believe,” said Danielle Brian, the executive director for POGO.

“It seems like a really boring issue, but this is why it’s not,” Brian said. “These are people who … were in a position to have received tips or created a sense of there being accountability on these matters. But those vacancies scream essentially that there’s nobody whose really interested in making sure that someone is a junkyard dog in those agencies, looking for these kinds of problems.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-24/one-more-question-on-hillary-e-mails-where-was-the-watchdog-

Not having an IG would be critical to Hillary's off the books server.

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Flashback: The State Dept didn't have a permanent IG during her entire tenure as SoS (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
CNN didn't mention that in the report today. grasswire May 2016 #1
Nope! This rarely gets mentioned. Nor the other audits pertaining to Hillary's time at State NWCorona May 2016 #3
Did Gregory note that relationship himself - as he should have? karynnj May 2016 #10
One tidbit that was pointed out to me by someone here NWCorona May 2016 #22
yes, he did grasswire May 2016 #27
Agree - very glad he did that nt karynnj May 2016 #28
where was Obama's oversight grasswire May 2016 #2
Hillary has already tried dragging him into this but my take is a bit different. NWCorona May 2016 #5
So all of this was Obama's way of making sure Biden gets the top of the ticket all along? GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #16
No I'm not saying that at all! NWCorona May 2016 #20
Didn't HRC actively resist getting an IG? panader0 May 2016 #4
Not sure - John Kerry answered a question on that lack near the beginning of his time as SoS karynnj May 2016 #17
Yes this is a problem area. Breaking Federal Records law doesn't necessitate a penalty. mmonk May 2016 #6
Agreed! NWCorona May 2016 #7
I have a question about this. polly7 May 2016 #8
I would think it would be highly unusual. NWCorona May 2016 #11
Thanks, NWCorona. It doesn't seem to be something that 'should' be acceptable or common, imo. nt. polly7 May 2016 #13
Forget the IMO, it is NOT. It violates EVERYTHING an IG stands for. Skwmom May 2016 #15
Thanks, Skwmom, appreciate the clarification. polly7 May 2016 #18
I don't think that HRC's power was "normal" - she herself spoke of having negotiated karynnj May 2016 #19
Thanks, karynnj. That complicated relationship will no doubt make investigations a lot polly7 May 2016 #21
What scares me there is that - no matter what private agreement, the real power officially karynnj May 2016 #24
How Convenient. How long before "I don't recall" bahrbearian May 2016 #9
Probably this week in a room with FBI and DOJ agents. NWCorona May 2016 #43
Uh oh felix_numinous May 2016 #12
This was a HUGE red flag and should NOT have been allowed. Skwmom May 2016 #14
There's no way it should be allowed! NWCorona May 2016 #26
This is an old silly article. Demsrule86 May 2016 #23
Yep, see my #30. The article and those using it hope folks gloss by that important point. nt stevenleser May 2016 #31
Media Matters is Hillary Supporter's Pravda. frylock May 2016 #38
Corrupt to the core... AzDar May 2016 #25
I saw a guy on CSpan talking about this. peace13 May 2016 #29
Hillary only managed to attend ONE of the annual compliance training sessions.. frylock May 2016 #41
Wow, did not know that. peace13 May 2016 #42
Having an "'Acting' Inspector General" means you have an Inspector General. stevenleser May 2016 #30
Not even close to being true. The after Audits prove this. NWCorona May 2016 #32
I googled him before I responded. Here is the money quote... stevenleser May 2016 #33
Not hard enough. NWCorona May 2016 #34
Plenty "hard enough". He was acting nearly a year before this administration was sworn in. stevenleser May 2016 #35
I see you didn't even read the link I supplied. NWCorona May 2016 #36
I read it. It doesnt change the facts. stevenleser May 2016 #40
Gee, I wonder why? frylock May 2016 #37
This will all get cleared up in the next debate Babel_17 May 2016 #39

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. CNN didn't mention that in the report today.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

David Gregory was on the panel. His wife represents Hillary's aides in the FBI investigation.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
3. Nope! This rarely gets mentioned. Nor the other audits pertaining to Hillary's time at State
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

They all have been scathing to say the least.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
10. Did Gregory note that relationship himself - as he should have?
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

I remember that about the only reference to that relationship was buried in an article where the lead was that 4 Clinton aides hired the same lawyer, which essentially allows her to see what each says and could help if they are trying to stay on the same page. In the midst of the article it offhandedly mentions she was married to Gregory.

(I first saw it when it was highlighted here.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
22. One tidbit that was pointed out to me by someone here
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

Is that Huma has retained her own attorney. That was very interesting.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. where was Obama's oversight
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

was that part of the bargain he made with her in 2008?

I do NOT want him involved. But she will drag him down if she thinks it helps her.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. Hillary has already tried dragging him into this but my take is a bit different.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

I think Obama let Hillary do herself in somewhat. He tried to get her to use Gov email then made an executive order baring private servers and she still kept on using it. The Obama's didn't get to where they are by being weak and that's why I don't think Obama will block the DOJ. Especially when his right hand man is positioned to take Hillary's delegates.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
20. No I'm not saying that at all!
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

I'm saying that Obama, not necessarily him, tried to get her to play by the rules. Over and over again but she refused. That is disrespectful to say the least and then to add her cheating on Obama with Sid... The fact that Biden is laying in the cut is just an added bonus for the Obama's.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
17. Not sure - John Kerry answered a question on that lack near the beginning of his time as SoS
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

His response was that he had suggested names to the WH and they were doing the vetting and he hoped to be able to announce a nomination. By September 2013, the current IG was confirmed.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
6. Yes this is a problem area. Breaking Federal Records law doesn't necessitate a penalty.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

However, having no inspector will probably play in the FBI's assessments.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
8. I have a question about this.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

Is it normal that any SoS has the power to block the State Dept. from having an IG?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
13. Thanks, NWCorona. It doesn't seem to be something that 'should' be acceptable or common, imo. nt.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
19. I don't think that HRC's power was "normal" - she herself spoke of having negotiated
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

far more ability to select the higher level SD people.

Note that in 2015, Blinken was named as the deputy SoS -- and many accounts said that Kerry had backed Wendy Sherman, although he praised Blinken when he was named. The point being that Obama did give HRC a lot of latitude. I suspect that it may be decades, if ever, that we really understand the dynamics between Obama and the two Clintons.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
21. Thanks, karynnj. That complicated relationship will no doubt make investigations a lot
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

more difficult.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
24. What scares me there is that - no matter what private agreement, the real power officially
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

was Obama's. Even if Obama ceded power to get an agreement that aligned the Clintons' interests with Obama's - to insure that he did not have to worry about them as a separate Democratic power that could have made things harder for him, it was still officially HIS power. She worked for him and to quote Truman - the buck stops with him.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
23. This is an old silly article.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

The original one came from a media matters report back in march...so much BS.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
29. I saw a guy on CSpan talking about this.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

He said the SOS was responsible for knowing the rules and that in such a high position, not knowing the rules was not an excuse. Something about being in the top ten security positions in the the country and the lineage to the President. It is weird that the job of IG went unfilled. Sorry I don't remember the person's name. This was probably a month ago.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
41. Hillary only managed to attend ONE of the annual compliance training sessions..
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

on identification and handling of classified communications during her tenure at State. Again, this was mandatory training that requires recertification on an annual basis.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. Having an "'Acting' Inspector General" means you have an Inspector General.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

Once you apply that bit of obvious logic, the rest of this article is seen in context as pretty silly.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
32. Not even close to being true. The after Audits prove this.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

Besides Google Harold W. Geisel and see what you come up with.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
33. I googled him before I responded. Here is the money quote...
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:52 PM
May 2016

"Ambassador Geisel has more than 20 years’ experience in senior management with the Department of State. He joined the Department in 1972, completing tours as management or administrative officer in Brussels, Oslo, Bern, and Bamako, and as Consul General in Durban, South Africa. From 1986 to 1993, he served as management counselor at U.S. Embassies in Rome, Bonn, and Moscow. He returned to the Department in 1993 as Executive Assistant to the Under Secretary of State for Management, where he supervised the creation of a worldwide process for allocating information technology resources."

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
34. Not hard enough.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

"Mr. Geisel was not eligible to be the inspector general because of an explicit, congressionally mandated safeguard for IG independence that rules out "a career member of the Foreign Service" from ever being "appointed Inspector General of the Department of State.""

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324063304578520952503319368

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
35. Plenty "hard enough". He was acting nearly a year before this administration was sworn in.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:05 PM
May 2016

No one in congress before or after this administration saw any serious issue.

Any kind of nonsense you bring up is negated by inconvenient facts like that.

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