Biden-Sanders Ticket

[SoCalMusicLover]

I'm not expecting the FBI investigation to result in anything anytime soon. There may be pressure being put on them to delay, delay, delay, so this may still be a rain cloud once the convention rolls around.

But assuming she is charged, I still somehow wonder if the SD's will turn on her. And if they did, whether they would instead vote for Bernie on the 1st ballot.

We all know that there is a Less Than Zero chance that Hillary is going to choose Bernie as her running mate. But what if Biden came in on a 2nd ballot at the Convention, and offered the VP slot to Bernie, in order to take over his delegates and win the nomination?

The real question is, how would a Biden-Sanders ticket fare against Trump and whomever he picks?

Or would Biden-Warren be the winning formula?

[NWCorona]

1. That though crossed my mind as well.

I think both Bernie and Biden want Warren as VP.

[Baobab]

46. how annoying - this stuff

at least I think so.

please stop..

[Betty Karlson]

49. Any ticket without Clinton on it is a better ticket than one with her.

Warren on the ticket would be great news, but I'll gladly settle for good news.

[Samantha]

50. They did -- all three -- Sanders, Biden and Clinton approached her on this subject

about the time the primary started. She had no comment when asked about Sander's visit to her office. But she did volunteer that Biden and Clinton had also talked to her.

I don't think she really wants to be President or Vice President now. She really loves her job now, and she wants to have time with her family as well. I think she is happy where she is. Perhaps later she might change her mind.

I don't think Biden really wants it either. I think he was approached and asked could the party consider him as standing by in case the need arose at the last minute for someone to replace Hillary. I think he reluctantly agreed, but he really wants to retire. Just my opinion.

Sam

[larkrake]

59. Bernies movement needs him in the senate, side by side with Warren

VPs cannot challange their boss. Biden would be a better candidate than Hillary- all his ghosts are old and he gets along with republicans in congress, is respected

[Mary Mac]

2. maybe in four years

Not now

[auntpurl]

3. How about Jay-Z/Beyonce?

As long as we are talking about fantasy scenarios that are never going to happen.

[mainstreetonce]

4. Bernie is too old to be anyone's VP.

And Biden is not getting involved.

[JackRiddler]

22. Well in that case, HRC is too old to be president.

You can't make a serious case that any given individual age 74 is less healthy or robust than an individual five years younger - a negligible difference by that age. It would have to be based on strictly individual assessment. 74 can be robust and healthy, 69 can be on the brink of death.

Now if someone is too old to be VP, they are also self-evidently to old to be P.

If Sanders is too old, then so is HRC who is a mere five years his junior and clearly has worse health issues.

You could always walk back your age-related nonsense. Wait for some election when not every possible candidate is PAST RETIREMENT AGE, why don't you?

Pathetic.

[6chars]

28. Women on average live 5 years longer than men.

[TimPlo]

32. Sanders has zero medical problems

Hillary has had a blood clot and is now on heart and blood thinning medication. Why do you think he camp did not hit on the old card on Sanders. Brock would of been running something like that 24/7.

[Hekate]

40. Why does his face get so red when he shouts and wags his finger? Why the same memorized speech?

Gosh, I'd never bring these things up, but some people might. Not me, though.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

70. Paging Dr Frist. Dr Bill Frist to the online exam room.

[6chars]

69. Hillary has had one that was treated

She had a blood clot once, and is now on medication so it won't happen again. This might affect her statistical life expectancy by about a year. Her mother lived to 92.

Bernie's parents lived to 57 and 58. He is a vital guy, but at an age where things can easily start to go downhill for all sorts of reasons. Or he may keep punching hard for the next 8 years and beyond.

We don't know the future, but insurance companies consider the statistics.

[JackRiddler]

38. You skipped reading what I wrote, I see.

"Women on average" are not a candidate in this election.

Age, health, energy, risks -- these are all completely individual. By every evidence available to us, Sanders looks great - not just for his age, but for anyone over 50.

In the absence of individual assessment, it is ridiculous to take TWO SENIOR CITIZENS and suggest a five-year difference in age is automatically significant. If Sanders, absent assessment, is "too old," then so is his five-year junior, Clinton.

[larkrake]

60. if healthy

[hack89]

41. You want a VP that can succeed the incumbent president and keep Dems in the WH for 16 years

so yes - a younger VP is a good thing. If Bernie was VP, he would be 82 after two terms as VP. And 90 after two terms as President.

[Samantha]

45. The practice of ageism is always inappropriate

and besides that, age is a frame of mind.

Sam

[auntpurl]

5. Also, surely Bernie supporters could never vote for Joe Biden?

Since he voted for the IWR?

[vintx]

10. Biden's problem is his being in bed with bank industry

I often wonder if it's only Sanders' supporters who are paying attention

[BirdieSanders]

35. +11111

[Betty Karlson]

52. Yes, but at least he has shown to have learned from that mistake.

Clinton doubled down on it, invaded Libya, and went for a round of "see, I can wage war too!"

Biden didn't oppose my civil rights until 2013

Biden didn't take $650,000 for one speech to Goldman Sachs, and then promise to look into showing a transcript, and then release nothing.

Biden is, however, a proponent of TPP and TTIP, and as such I would indeed have major reservations about him.

[larkrake]

61. I dont agree with that, Biden is an easy choice against Trump

I would vote for Biden in a flash- he is not toxic

[ChisolmTrailDem]

6. WTF?? Bernie does all the hard work but Biden gets the headliner? Fuck that! nt

[dana_b]

8. Agreed. I didn't vote for Biden so

Hell no!

[Joob]

19. I agree, doesn't even make sense. Bernie has the foresight needed to be President

[djean111]

7. Biden is just another corporate tool.

And this would take Bernie out of the Senate. Relegate him to dinners and funerals. Same thing goes for Warren. Waste of a fantastic senator just to get Biden in. With the added sweetener, for the Third Way, of removing an "out of hand" Democrat from Congress.

[arely staircase]

9. Clinton will win in a landslide. nt

[SoCalMusicLover]

12. Even If Charges Are Brought Against Her? nt

[arely staircase]

33. Yes. That is not going to happen but yeah she could probably be indicted and carry 40+ states. nt

[-none]

17. Ever been in a land slide?

You end up at the bottom buried in the rubble.

[Nye Bevan]

11. Two septuagenarian white men? I don't think so. (nt)

[SheilaT]

13. Joe Biden is not running, and if the Democrat Party

gives the nomination to him (in the event of something that completely removes Hillary Clinton from consideration) they will have complete and total open revolt on their hands.

Perhaps the Hillary supporters would happily support Biden if their gal is completely out of the picture, but I hope not.

Plus, just imagine to scorn Trump would heap upon a candidate Biden. Truly scary to contemplate.

[auntpurl]

48. Ok, bearing in mind this is never going to happen

As a Hillary supporter, I would prefer Biden to Bernie. His views are more aligned with my own than Bernie's.

I don't like the idea of putting someone in who didn't run for president and no one voted for, so I wouldn't push for this, but in my own personal opinion, yes I would much prefer to vote for Joe Biden than Bernie.

[SheilaT]

54. As a Hillary supporter, it makes

good sense you'd prefer Biden to Sanders. Biden and Clinton are much closer in their policies and the like.

And while I appreciate that you would not be happy with Bernie as the candidate, it should give everyone here a great deal of pause to think that someone who never even bothered to run could be arbitrarily made the candidate. I for one would completely abandon the Democratic Party, certainly as being registered as a Dem. The Party leadership would have demonstrated quite thoroughly that they are total scum and completely untrustworthy.

Plus, there will be quite a few Bernie Sanders delegates at the Convention, and anyone who thinks they would meekly acquiesce to any attempt to ramrod Biden into the nomination hasn't been paying much attention.

[auntpurl]

57. I don't think the party leadership would do this.

For the reasons that you state.

Also because, as I said before, Hillary is not going to be indicted so this whole discussion is really moot.

[Attorney in Texas]

14. FBI director Comey is anti-political. He'd seek to minimize the effect of his recommendation being

politicized.

If you were the FBI director, how would you go about minimizing the likelihood of your recommendation being politicized?

If you release it during the ongoing primary, that could lead to political consequences in the nomination process.

If you release it close to the general election, that would guarantee it would have maximum risk of being politicized.

Conclusion - release the recommendation as soon as it is apparent it will not affect the primary so that it is a far removed from the general election as possible.

If I were betting, I'd bet on the recommendation coming in mid June.

[JackRiddler]

42. That obviously is a political decision.

Unavoidably.

A certain kind of politics furthermore is expressed when failing to secure "national security" secrets is a potential crime but destroying whole countries (as all U.S. administrations do) is not.

[winter is coming]

15. No. If Hillary drops out of the race, we'll lose the GE if the Party goes with anyone

but Bernie. He has too much support, much of it from people who feel alienated from a process they perceive as being rigged by the 1%. Whether they're right about that or not is irrelevant: the perception remains, and trying to push a last-minute substitution will do nothing but feed that distrust. The worst thing the Party could do is back a candidate who's closely tied to the Obama Administration, since it will likely receive some blowback for not having done anything to prevent/correct Hillary's behavior.

[arely staircase]

37. I am for HRC but I agree with that. Sanders has always been my second choice back to when there were

four candidates.

[senz]

16. Sanders has much more important things to do than that.

[farleftlib]

18. The bankruptcy bill

Biden also serves the 1%. Bernie is not going to be anybody's veep! Ferchrissakes.

[Demsrule86]

20. There will be no second ballot and pigs will fly before

anyone names Bernie Sanders as VP...Hillary is the nominee ...and Sanders is on his way to Vermont in two weeks...oh he can cause some trouble but no on liked him before...I can imagine what they think of him now.

[SoCalMusicLover]

24. Your Quote: "No One Liked Him Before....I Can Imagine What They Think Of Him Now"

That is the most ridiculous thing I've read today.

I guess all those votes he got were from people who did not like him, and like him even less now than they did a year ago.

Maybe you meant Hillary and not Bernie. More people dislike her today than a year ago, I'm willing to bet that.

[auntpurl]

26. How would THAT work, since Hillary got FAR more votes than Bernie?

All those people who hate her are just lining up to vote for her, eh?

[SoCalMusicLover]

31. That Is Not What I Said

My comment was that more people dislike Hillary Clinton today, than did a year ago.

I said nothing about how many votes she got, or if she got more votes than Bernie.

I was responding to someone who claimed that Bernie is more disliked now than he was before he started his campaign. I would doubt that, but I do believe that Hillary is more disliked than she was a year ago.

IF Hillary is the nominee and IF she does manage to win in November, it will be CLOSE. Like Triple Overtime in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals close. EXACTLY like the media wants it.

[auntpurl]

39. Well, I'll tell you

A year ago, I was only vaguely aware of who Bernie Sanders was. When I started learning more about his policies, two things became clear to me:

1. He'd never get 80% of his platform through Congress, and even then it wasn't very well-explained
2. As a self-identified Democratic Socialist, he was probably fighting a losing battle

I knew I would support Hillary from the beginning of the primary process, but I still thought Bernie was a generally harmless far-left liberal (I am a moderate so he seems really far-left to me!) and had a vague good feeling toward him.

Now? I do not like him. He is far too angry for me - he has no people skills, one on one. He's been snippy with the media when they were really softballing him. And he has, over and over, attacked both Hillary and the Democratic party, of which I am a proud lifelong member. I don't like his manner, and I don't like his lack of substance on policy.

I don't WANT a revolution.

I don't WANT to tear down the system.

I don't BELIEVE the Democratic party is broken.

So for me, the previous post is spot on. I definitely like Bernie a lot less than I did a year ago.

[Hekate]

43. Well said, auntpurl.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. Am I mistaken in thinking that you're a citizen of the U.K.?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. My mistake, and thank you.

[Cal33]

51. Of the 3 presidential candidates, Bernie is the only one who has a positive favorability

rating. Both Trump and Hillary have negative ones. When Bernie started running a
year, hardly anyone knew him (I didn't know him either), and today he is giving
Hillary a good run for the money.

My question is: How can you say something like "but no one liked him before...I can
imagine what they think of him now." and keep a straight face. It's a statement
that is the exact opposite of fact. Republicans are known to use that tactic - if it
can be called such.

[SoCalMusicLover]

23. To Those Who Say Bernie Would Never Accept VP

He already said during a recent interview that he would consider it if asked. Perhaps it's because he knows there is no chance Hillary will ask, but he did state he was open to it.

[longship]

25. ^THIS^

However, these silly Biden POTUS threads are equally silly as the Sanders/Warren/Clinton VEEP threads.

None of those things are going to happen!

[larkrake]

62. was he suppose to say no and be accused of demeaning her? No, he said

what is best for the party. he is a gentleman

[Trajan]

27. The real question is:

How would a Biden-Sanders ticket fare with Liberals and Progressives?

Why shuffle Sanders to the back row ... Why ignore the elephant in the room?

This makes sense only if you hate Sanders .... Which I guess is the tacit point you are trying to make here ...

[SoCalMusicLover]

34. Not At All

I would LOVE Sanders to win the nomination.

More than anything I'm searching for a way the party could unite, if Hillary were charged and lost enough support from the SD's, to fall short of what she needs.

Those SD's might refuse to support Sanders, which leaves Biden as the only prominent candidate I can see who would unite the party behind a bid at the late July date.

[jwirr]

67. If you are searching for a way the party would be unified if

Hillary can no longer run then it is very simple - the next in line gets to take over - Bernie. To take his voter away and give them to someone else would cause a real and total split.

[thesquanderer]

30. re: "But what if Biden came in on a 2nd ballot at the Convention" - What 2nd ballot?

There will only be two candidates on the first ballot. With only two candidates, one of them has to get a majority. It's hard to see a scenario for a second ballot.

[SoCalMusicLover]

36. Are The Super Delegates Required To Vote?

Without enough pledged delegates, the SD's would come into play. If they are allowed to abstain, that is a clear scenario where neither candidate would have enough 1st ballot votes.

[Hekate]

44. Well you could google the rules and get back to us. They aren't a secret.

Thanks in advance.

[thesquanderer]

47. Can they simply abstain? Excellent question! (n/t)

[SoCalMusicLover]

63. Superdelegates Are Not Required To Vote

In fact, they must be at the Convention to cast a vote, and they are not bound to attend.

But as I said initially, I wouldn't expect the "chosen" Superdelegates to abandon Hillary even if she were to be charged. Everyone will just fall back on the "repub witch hunt" argument and stand by their gal.

[B Calm]

56. It's been a bad day for the Hillary campaign.

[underthematrix]

58. I suppose this is the bargaining stage

[Rosa Luxemburg]

65. why are we even talking about Biden?

[jwirr]

66. I don't know why Bernie would want the VP considering that

he has a senate seat that really allows him to do something.