So why did Sanders win the WA state caucus but Hillary win the primary.?

[hrmjustin]

Just fyi 230k voted in the caucus and he got about 72% of the vote.

719k votes have been counted and Hillary is ahead by 42k or 5%.

[bobbobbins01]

1. Because this one doesn't count for anything

so no one gives a shit.

[hrmjustin]

2. Well how come 719k people bothered to vote?

[bobbobbins01]

3. Don't know, don't care.

[hrmjustin]

6. Oh ok.

[Agschmid]

23. ... Wow.

[uponit7771]

69. so progressive

[Scootaloo]

56. I asked my mother, who sent in her primary ballot, but declined ot caucus

She says she thought the primary counted.



Seems more a thing of "Washington has kind of a dumb setup" more than a statement on the cnadidates or hteir supporters.

[brooklynite]

57. Maybe the voters changed their minds...I understand that's the Sanders theory for Superdelegates

[JI7]

4. many people are not able to attend a caucus

[hrmjustin]

7. Looks like a lot.

[DURHAM D]

38. Most can't.

A partial list of reasons I was given by people who could not attend our caucus -


I am disabled
I work weekends
I don't yet know my schedule on Saturday for my second/third job
I don't have a ride/car
The drive is over an hour each way
I am in assisted living
My granddaughter is getting married that day
My son's/daughter's graduation party is that day
I can't be gone from home 4-6 hours
My sons/daughters have ball practice

and the one I heard most often - I don't have anyone to watch my kids.

However, almost 90% of them volunteered the fact that they would be voting for Hillary in the general. iows - From early on they thought she had it wrapped up.

[hrmjustin]

39. Caucuses suck!

[Mz Pip]

45. Pretty much

Caucuses limit participation to those who can spend the time to attend. Not everyone has that option.

[oberliner]

5. What do you think the answer is to that question?

To be honest, I am puzzled by that.

[hrmjustin]

10. All mail in ballots make it easier to vote than caucuses.

I am not an expert on WA demographics but it is a diverse state so that explains why Hillary did well.

Primaries allow more people to vote.

[LiberalFighter]

50. If you overlay population map over geographic map there probably isn't much that is really populated

They have a lot of land that is National Forests too.

[Scootaloo]

58. That's funny!

'Cause back in March, the story was that Bernie won Washington because we're supposedly not diverse.

But then I also recall that Kentucky is "white as a lily and racist as hell" up until she wins it, then it's a valued and diverse state. Of course, the same thing was said by Hillary supporters back in February about Iowa, until she won it by half a percent (New Hampshire, of course, remained absolutely slathered in evil white supremacists, apparently)

Amazing how "diversity" has seem to be determined so regularly after-the-fact, wholly dependent on whether or not Hillary wins.

[hrmjustin]

66. Ok.

[Scootaloo]

68. Yup.

[hrmjustin]

11. I was under the impression thete were no other races on the ballot. I think that is the case.

[AtomicKitten]

9. The primary was not binding, did not count, so some people probably didn't bother to vote.

[hrmjustin]

12. 230k voted in March. 719k voted in the primary.

More people vote for Bernie in the primary than in the caucus which he won 72% of the vote.

[oberliner]

14. Three times as many people voted in the primary than in the caucus

For what that is worth.

[dchill]

13. The people have spoken..

and have nothing to gain by a vanity victory. It is MOOT.

[hrmjustin]

15. Then why bother voting?

230k voted in March and 719k voted in the primary.

[dchill]

18. Don't know. I'm not from there.

I do know it doesn't count, or merit analysis

[Agschmid]

26. Votes don't merit analysis.

...

Hypocrisy abounds.

[dchill]

30. Not in elections that don't count.

[Agschmid]

37. More people voted for Sanders in the primary than participated in the entire caucuse process.

I don't suggest changing any delegate allocation based off this, but the result is certainly telling.

[dchill]

46. It doesn't count. It was never going to count.

They should do away with caucuses, but they haven't.

[scscholar]

16. Because the Bernie supporters are much more excited about their candidate, but...

us Hillary supporters greatly outnumber them.

[hrmjustin]

17. Behold!

The truth!

[aspirant]

19. Because Bernie supporters

know that voting twice in a Presidential primary is voter fraud

[hrmjustin]

24. You are saying 338,000 Sanders voters commited fraud in this primary?

[Agschmid]

27. Nothing about voting in both was fraudulent.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

20. A caucus and a primary? Good grief...

[hrmjustin]

25. Yep.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

73. This is need to know stuff. The process the Dems concocted years ago is mind boggling.

[tazkcmo]

21. They should sue.

I support what the citizens of Washington wanted even if it means I partly agree with you. It's easier to vote than to caucus. A lot easier. All the more reason to do a primary because more voters is more gooder.

Edited to add: I'm aware the DNC sued to keep the caucus.

[hrmjustin]

28. Yep. It is a mess.

[fancypants75]

22. It is fishy isn't it? Hillary should call for an investigation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CAVDEF/comments/4l2z1y/theres_something_fishy_about_the_wa_primary/

[hrmjustin]

36. I don't know if an investigation is needed.

[oasis]

29. "Tantrumgate" in Nevada was an eye opener.

[hrmjustin]

35. Indeed!

[GulfCoast66]

31. Loving this!

Hell, l do not like either candidate. But some of the Bernie supporters here are unhinged. The whole usurping the will of the people thing.

Now that the Democrats of Washington have voted the results mean nothing! So usurping the will of the people only is bad when Hillary does it.

When Democrats vote Hillary wins. And this November when Americans vote Hillary will win. Trump is self-destructing before the primaries. He just trashed the only Female Latina governor this country has ever had. It sucks that she is a Republican.

[hrmjustin]

33. It definitely puts people in an uncomfortable position.

[hrmjustin]

34. I knew you would tell the truth.

[hrmjustin]

44. Oh i am no one to judge you.

[Vattel]

40. not many young people voted in the primary

(my best guess, don't quote me))

[hrmjustin]

41. No exit polls so no clue.

[GulfCoast66]

43. Once the poll that really counts happens

exit polls do not mean too much. The fact is when there was a real election, when people went into a booth and actually voted, Clinton won.

And keep in mind, I am no Clinton fan. Don't love Bernie either. But I sure like Democrats better than Republicans.

[hrmjustin]

49. Did you vote in the primary?

[hrmjustin]

53. Why did you waste the 44 cents?

[Agschmid]

52. Seems your state voted for it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

55. I didn't vote in the primary. There wasn't any point.

I did vote in the caucus, there was a point.

This is the difference between informed voters and uninformed ones.

[StevieM]

62. Because caucuses are remarkably undemocratic and don't reflect the sentiments

of the overall electorate.

In 2008 Obama crushed Hillary in the North Dakota caucuses. Hillary won the South Dakota primary by double digits.

[msongs]

59. because bernie does best in un-democratic caucuses rather than more democratic primaries nt

[hrmjustin]

64. Yes.

[uponit7771]

70. +1

[Number23]

60. Justin, do you have a link? I'm afraid I'm not sure what any of this is about.

TIA

[hrmjustin]

63. In march the dems had a caucus in WA and Sanders got 72% of the vote with 230k voting.

Because the primary is still on the legal books they had a primary last night and these are the results.

http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/President-Democratic-Party.htm

But there are no delegates awareded.

[Number23]

65. Yes, thank you so much for that.

Just read about it here http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/washington-primary-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/484313/

[lumberjack_jeff]

61. Washington doesn't matter, it is just a bunch of white people.

'cuz it's the law.

[trudyco]

67. No exit poll so don't k know

Other primaries have indicated vote count tampering. Maybe it's the same thing here.

[mhatrw]

71. It's a lot harder to cheat at a caucus without upsetting the people gathered there. nt

[hrmjustin]

74. Caucuses disenfranchise voters.