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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:20 PM May 2016

What Our Super Delegates Must Consider

It is quite apparent now that neither candidate will garner enough pledged delegates to win the nomination.

That means it is the non-pledged delegates -- those called super delegates --- who will decide who wins the party's nomination.

The big decision is, collectively, theirs.

What the super delegates must think about, between now and when the first vote is taken on the convention floor, is the future of the Democratic Party.

The future of the Democratic Party are young people. When I say young, I mean those citizens who are under 40 years of age.

Global Warming and future clean energy are among the young's chief concerns. One candidate and only one, has been addressing those two issues.

Other issues, such as better educational opportunities, better health care for aging populations, less war and more peace, are other issues that have drawn great interest from the young. Again there is but one candidate that has been seriously addressing those issues.

In consideration of the votes to be cast, our super delegates must consider not only who must live with the consequences of the past political decisions, but also who can best lead the way in government to make decisions that will ensure a better future for the young.

It comes down to this; Electing a president who will bring new ideas and new people into government, or picking someone who represents the past, same old, same old politics.

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What Our Super Delegates Must Consider (Original Post) RobertEarl May 2016 OP
#BernieMath - Using SDs to calculate the amount needed to clinch but not counting SDs in their total SFnomad May 2016 #1
Do you really think that super delegates will risk an unvetted candidate like Sanders? Gothmog May 2016 #2
Did you catch any news today? Your question about risk is ironic. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #13
That report will have no effect on the votes of super delegates Gothmog May 2016 #30
You realize your pony can learn more than one trick at a time, right? Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #26
The Super Delegstes are voting for Clinton, she has the popular vote and a majority I'd delegates. wisteria May 2016 #3
They have time to think it over RobertEarl May 2016 #4
If you really think supers are going to hand the nomination to Sanders Txbluedog May 2016 #5
We must cast away from the same old RobertEarl May 2016 #7
You realize that the Sanders can't win without the Democratic Establishment onenote May 2016 #8
The establishment will support Bernie RobertEarl May 2016 #9
Young voters as a voting block no one takes seriously Txbluedog May 2016 #10
No one has spoken for them before like Bernie has RobertEarl May 2016 #11
Hillary is preferred by minorities, women and older people Corporate666 May 2016 #12
Only because they don't know Baobab May 2016 #14
So.... you're saying Corporate666 May 2016 #15
Did you read this? fun n serious May 2016 #6
thankfully! dana_b May 2016 #21
Here is a tip lancer78 May 2016 #22
and here is something for you dana_b May 2016 #25
Well it certainly took him long enough... scscholar May 2016 #28
Hmmmmm. barrow-wight May 2016 #16
Yep... that's the Hillary campaign RobertEarl May 2016 #20
Actually, barrow-wight May 2016 #23
The weakness of the argument is that the party rarely looks much beyond the next election. HereSince1628 May 2016 #17
delusional till the end jcgoldie May 2016 #18
Wow RobertEarl May 2016 #19
I have plenty of respect for myself jcgoldie May 2016 #36
Absent a scandal that makes a candidate unelectable, I think the superdelegates should follow votes democrattotheend May 2016 #24
Super delegates will destroy our party if they nominate the second place finisher. hrmjustin May 2016 #27
Yet that's what they are there for. To nominate the strongest candidate. Don't give up silvershadow May 2016 #31
I can't wait till skinner calls it. hrmjustin May 2016 #33
nomination of a person who can win and an angry old socialist won't beat trump beachbum bob May 2016 #29
....Also,which candidate can win a general election. brooklynite May 2016 #32
Bernie must be our nominee in order to beat Trump amborin May 2016 #34
Don't lose mad. Just lose. LexVegas May 2016 #35
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
1. #BernieMath - Using SDs to calculate the amount needed to clinch but not counting SDs in their total
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

Gothmog

(143,058 posts)
2. Do you really think that super delegates will risk an unvetted candidate like Sanders?
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

Super delegates will be do the right thing and select the strongest general election candidate which will not be Sanders.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
13. Did you catch any news today? Your question about risk is ironic.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:09 AM
May 2016

The super delegates are staring into the maw of great risk, and they know they are.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
26. You realize your pony can learn more than one trick at a time, right?
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

You don't have to stick to the memo...

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
3. The Super Delegstes are voting for Clinton, she has the popular vote and a majority I'd delegates.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

Sorry, you aren't going to take over yet. There are plenty of Baby Boomers and post Baby Boomers still living long healthy lives.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. They have time to think it over
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

The investigations are a grave matter. We can well imagine the outcomes of the coverup by Hillary are not going to be well accepted.

Already - finally- DWS is being shown the door, and we can thank the revolution for that.

We are taking over. That is becoming more and more evident everyday. The supers know it. They will vote accordingly.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
5. If you really think supers are going to hand the nomination to Sanders
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:31 PM
May 2016

You are really delusional

That would be going against the popular vote and would ensure disaster

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. We must cast away from the same old
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

The future demands it. The party will falter if it does not look to the future and who is best liked by the young voters.

The choice is clear: Bernie.

onenote

(42,107 posts)
8. You realize that the Sanders can't win without the Democratic Establishment
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:49 PM
May 2016

he rails against. Most of the super delegates are members of the Democratic Establishment. The Democrats you want to "cast away" from make up a significant portion of the Democratic voting base. Just as Clinton may not be able to win without Sanders' supporters, the same is true about Sanders' ability to win without the Democratic establishment

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. The establishment will support Bernie
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

As soon as they get over the Hill. Soon.

The 40% of voters who are independents, along with the 30% of Democrats will easily get Bernie elected in the GE.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
10. Young voters as a voting block no one takes seriously
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

Once young voters show up consistently to vote in all kinds of elections then and only then they will be in a position to demand changes

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. No one has spoken for them before like Bernie has
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

True, in the past, young people didn't vote much. They figure the establishment was not for them, and they are correct. Now comes Bernie offering them some hope, and speaking for them, and when they see Bernie get nominated by the party they will be amazed and get involved.

Hillary can't win the GE, but Bernie can and will.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
12. Hillary is preferred by minorities, women and older people
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:02 AM
May 2016

you are suggesting that a ruling class of young white males should decide who gets to be President.


What do the over 40-crowd, women and minorities count for? 3/5ths?

Corporate666

(587 posts)
15. So.... you're saying
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:16 AM
May 2016

that if only they were as smart and informed as you, they would see things your way.

Or, put another way, you know what's best for those people better than they know what's best for themselves?

You see them as children or pets who need your oversight and guidance to make the "right" decisions?

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
21. thankfully!
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:15 PM
May 2016

Obviously many in the older generations (not all! There are some very progressive older folks here too!) have gotten it all wrong, including my own genration (x). Look what has happened in 2007/2008. Then we voted in someone who we thought would be a bit more progressive than he turned out to be. And because of his true stances and the fact that the Repubs have had it out for him since day 1, not a lot has changed apart from the ACA. And the older, established Dems seem to like it like that. Yes, economically things are a bit better but so many are still struggling big time. The rest of us are not happy with this. Things MUST change or else our economy, our health and our planet will disintegrate.

Now is the time to have TRUE change! Getting rid of DWS will not be the only positive effect of Bernie's campaign. People's eyes are opening and the younger folks are realizing that they DO have power, if they use it and others don't CHEAT them out of that power.

And the investigations are a VERY grave matter. Even the MSM gets this. Hillary will not be the next President. If people didn't trust her before, now it will be 10 times worse. She MAY be the nominee, but she will be limping to the finish line. And I don't believe that all of the Supers will stick with her.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
22. Here is a tip
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

Until you get congress to become more progressive, a person like Bernie as POTUS will be as worthless as tits on a boar. This an obvious message lost on the young who fail to show up in off-year elections.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
25. and here is something for you
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

I understand that. That's why Bernie is trying to help people like Tim Canova, Russ Feingold, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. to get into and stay in Congress.

Bernie is also doing his best to get those young voters engaged in the system. For instance he helped put together http://www.thepeoplessummit.org/ I hope lots of people show up to that one.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
16. Hmmmmm.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:19 AM
May 2016

You say what they should consider. I say what they will consider:

threats. doxxing. calling workplaces. more threats. abusive language. sexism. even more threats.


 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
20. Yep... that's the Hillary campaign
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

You nailed it. The supers are looking at the H and are looking for a way to distance themselves. When they have stepped back, they will feel the Bern and act correctly and vote to nominate Bernie..

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
23. Actually,
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

All of those things were done to Roberta Lange and numerous superdelegates. But then you knew that already.

Boy, this convention is going to be a hard one for you. I can just tell. All of the bluster and puffery going on about how Bernie's winning on here is just prepping so many people for a let-down of emotionally devastating proportions.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. The weakness of the argument is that the party rarely looks much beyond the next election.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:07 AM
May 2016

Yes, it's -always- true that the young will inherit what the old leave behind. Yes there are big problems looming on the horizon.

But I think that is being a bit overplayed.

For politicians, the party's problems still involve raising money, getting elected, and delivering to those who gave money and, sadly, to themselves. Just how does a person spend their life in government and become a person with scores of millions of dollars???

To be meaningful to politicians--yes, let's admit it, for whom the party exists--all those problems, must resolve in the proximate future. That in large part is why things like politicians actually putting money in promised pension plans of gov't workers, repairing infrastructure, and worrying about global warming and long-term energy policy don't get dealt with in real time. Unless a crisis intervenes those are problems that get kicked down the road.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
19. Wow
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

You actually have so little respect for yourself that you would post something so rude and disruptive?

Our revolution will be coming to your TV soon. You will love it.

jcgoldie

(11,537 posts)
36. I have plenty of respect for myself
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:20 AM
May 2016

My message was about your delusions that Sanders can win. The fact that you feel the need to make it personal tells me that perhaps you have deeper issues than just the inability to accept political reality. Have a nice day.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
24. Absent a scandal that makes a candidate unelectable, I think the superdelegates should follow votes
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

As much as I want Bernie to be the nominee, if at the end of the primaries Hillary indisputably has more votes and pledged delegates I think the superdelegates should respect the will of the voters and nominate her, UNLESS the e-mail scandal or some other scandal has made her damaged goods to the point where she is probably unelectable. For example, had John Edwards won a majority of pledged delegates in 2008 before the affair and campaign finance scandal broke, I think the superdelegates would have been justified in nominating whoever got the second highest number of pledged delegates in the primaries and caucuses.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
31. Yet that's what they are there for. To nominate the strongest candidate. Don't give up
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

hope, though..Hillary might not be indicted.

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