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Wed May 25, 2016, 09:20 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

 

What Our Super Delegates Must Consider

It is quite apparent now that neither candidate will garner enough pledged delegates to win the nomination.

That means it is the non-pledged delegates -- those called super delegates --- who will decide who wins the party's nomination.

The big decision is, collectively, theirs.

What the super delegates must think about, between now and when the first vote is taken on the convention floor, is the future of the Democratic Party.

The future of the Democratic Party are young people. When I say young, I mean those citizens who are under 40 years of age.

Global Warming and future clean energy are among the young's chief concerns. One candidate and only one, has been addressing those two issues.

Other issues, such as better educational opportunities, better health care for aging populations, less war and more peace, are other issues that have drawn great interest from the young. Again there is but one candidate that has been seriously addressing those issues.

In consideration of the votes to be cast, our super delegates must consider not only who must live with the consequences of the past political decisions, but also who can best lead the way in government to make decisions that will ensure a better future for the young.

It comes down to this; Electing a president who will bring new ideas and new people into government, or picking someone who represents the past, same old, same old politics.

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Reply What Our Super Delegates Must Consider (Original post)
 RobertEarl May 2016 OP
LineReply #BernieMath - Using SDs to calculate the amount needed to clinch but not counting SDs in their total
 SFnomad May 2016 #1
LineReply Do you really think that super delegates will risk an unvetted candidate like Sanders?
 Gothmog May 2016 #2
LineLineReply Did you catch any news today? Your question about risk is ironic.
 DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #13
LineLineLineNew Reply That report will have no effect on the votes of super delegates
 Gothmog May 2016 #30
LineLineReply You realize your pony can learn more than one trick at a time, right?
 Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #26
LineReply The Super Delegstes are voting for Clinton, she has the popular vote and a majority I'd delegates.
 wisteria May 2016 #3
LineLineReply They have time to think it over
 RobertEarl May 2016 #4
LineLineLineReply If you really think supers are going to hand the nomination to Sanders
 Txbluedog May 2016 #5
LineLineLineLineReply We must cast away from the same old
 RobertEarl May 2016 #7
LineLineLineLineLineReply You realize that the Sanders can't win without the Democratic Establishment
 onenote May 2016 #8
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply The establishment will support Bernie
 RobertEarl May 2016 #9
LineLineLineLineLineReply Young voters as a voting block no one takes seriously
 Txbluedog May 2016 #10
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply No one has spoken for them before like Bernie has
 RobertEarl May 2016 #11
LineLineLineLineLineReply Hillary is preferred by minorities, women and older people
 Corporate666 May 2016 #12
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Only because they don't know
 Baobab May 2016 #14
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply So.... you're saying
 Corporate666 May 2016 #15
LineLineLineReply Did you read this?
 fun n serious May 2016 #6
LineLineLineReply thankfully!
 dana_b May 2016 #21
LineLineLineLineReply Here is a tip
 lancer78 May 2016 #22
LineLineLineLineLineReply and here is something for you
 dana_b May 2016 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Well it certainly took him long enough...
 scscholar May 2016 #28
LineReply Hmmmmm.
 barrow-wight May 2016 #16
LineLineReply Yep... that's the Hillary campaign
 RobertEarl May 2016 #20
LineLineLineReply Actually,
 barrow-wight May 2016 #23
LineReply The weakness of the argument is that the party rarely looks much beyond the next election.
 HereSince1628 May 2016 #17
LineReply delusional till the end
 jcgoldie May 2016 #18
LineLineReply Wow
 RobertEarl May 2016 #19
LineLineLineNew Reply I have plenty of respect for myself
 jcgoldie May 2016 #36
LineReply Absent a scandal that makes a candidate unelectable, I think the superdelegates should follow votes
 democrattotheend May 2016 #24
LineNew Reply Super delegates will destroy our party if they nominate the second place finisher.
 hrmjustin May 2016 #27
LineLineNew Reply Yet that's what they are there for. To nominate the strongest candidate. Don't give up
 silvershadow May 2016 #31
LineLineLineNew Reply I can't wait till skinner calls it.
 hrmjustin May 2016 #33
LineNew Reply nomination of a person who can win and an angry old socialist won't beat trump
 beachbum bob May 2016 #29
LineNew Reply ....Also,which candidate can win a general election.
 brooklynite May 2016 #32
LineNew Reply Bernie must be our nominee in order to beat Trump
 amborin May 2016 #34
LineNew Reply Don't lose mad. Just lose.
 LexVegas May 2016 #35

Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Wed May 25, 2016, 09:23 PM

SFnomad (3,473 posts)

1. #BernieMath - Using SDs to calculate the amount needed to clinch but not counting SDs in their total

 

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Wed May 25, 2016, 09:58 PM

Star Member Gothmog (90,959 posts)

2. Do you really think that super delegates will risk an unvetted candidate like Sanders?

Super delegates will be do the right thing and select the strongest general election candidate which will not be Sanders.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 02:09 AM

DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)

13. Did you catch any news today? Your question about risk is ironic.

 

The super delegates are staring into the maw of great risk, and they know they are.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 05:43 PM

Star Member Gothmog (90,959 posts)

30. That report will have no effect on the votes of super delegates

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)

26. You realize your pony can learn more than one trick at a time, right?

 

You don't have to stick to the memo...

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Wed May 25, 2016, 10:08 PM

Star Member wisteria (19,581 posts)

3. The Super Delegstes are voting for Clinton, she has the popular vote and a majority I'd delegates.

 

Sorry, you aren't going to take over yet. There are plenty of Baby Boomers and post Baby Boomers still living long healthy lives.

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Wed May 25, 2016, 10:29 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

4. They have time to think it over

 

The investigations are a grave matter. We can well imagine the outcomes of the coverup by Hillary are not going to be well accepted.

Already - finally- DWS is being shown the door, and we can thank the revolution for that.

We are taking over. That is becoming more and more evident everyday. The supers know it. They will vote accordingly.

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Wed May 25, 2016, 10:31 PM

Txbluedog (1,128 posts)

5. If you really think supers are going to hand the nomination to Sanders

 

You are really delusional

That would be going against the popular vote and would ensure disaster

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Wed May 25, 2016, 10:41 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

7. We must cast away from the same old

 

The future demands it. The party will falter if it does not look to the future and who is best liked by the young voters.

The choice is clear: Bernie.

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Wed May 25, 2016, 10:49 PM

Star Member onenote (35,542 posts)

8. You realize that the Sanders can't win without the Democratic Establishment

he rails against. Most of the super delegates are members of the Democratic Establishment. The Democrats you want to "cast away" from make up a significant portion of the Democratic voting base. Just as Clinton may not be able to win without Sanders' supporters, the same is true about Sanders' ability to win without the Democratic establishment

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Wed May 25, 2016, 11:02 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

9. The establishment will support Bernie

 

As soon as they get over the Hill. Soon.

The 40% of voters who are independents, along with the 30% of Democrats will easily get Bernie elected in the GE.

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Wed May 25, 2016, 11:08 PM

Txbluedog (1,128 posts)

10. Young voters as a voting block no one takes seriously

 

Once young voters show up consistently to vote in all kinds of elections then and only then they will be in a position to demand changes

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Wed May 25, 2016, 11:13 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

11. No one has spoken for them before like Bernie has

 

True, in the past, young people didn't vote much. They figure the establishment was not for them, and they are correct. Now comes Bernie offering them some hope, and speaking for them, and when they see Bernie get nominated by the party they will be amazed and get involved.

Hillary can't win the GE, but Bernie can and will.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 02:02 AM

Corporate666 (587 posts)

12. Hillary is preferred by minorities, women and older people

you are suggesting that a ruling class of young white males should decide who gets to be President.


What do the over 40-crowd, women and minorities count for? 3/5ths?

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Thu May 26, 2016, 02:13 AM

Baobab (4,667 posts)

14. Only because they don't know

things like those in the links below VVVV

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Thu May 26, 2016, 02:16 AM

Corporate666 (587 posts)

15. So.... you're saying

that if only they were as smart and informed as you, they would see things your way.

Or, put another way, you know what's best for those people better than they know what's best for themselves?

You see them as children or pets who need your oversight and guidance to make the "right" decisions?

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Thu May 26, 2016, 03:15 PM

dana_b (11,546 posts)

21. thankfully!

Obviously many in the older generations (not all! There are some very progressive older folks here too!) have gotten it all wrong, including my own genration (x). Look what has happened in 2007/2008. Then we voted in someone who we thought would be a bit more progressive than he turned out to be. And because of his true stances and the fact that the Repubs have had it out for him since day 1, not a lot has changed apart from the ACA. And the older, established Dems seem to like it like that. Yes, economically things are a bit better but so many are still struggling big time. The rest of us are not happy with this. Things MUST change or else our economy, our health and our planet will disintegrate.

Now is the time to have TRUE change! Getting rid of DWS will not be the only positive effect of Bernie's campaign. People's eyes are opening and the younger folks are realizing that they DO have power, if they use it and others don't CHEAT them out of that power.

And the investigations are a VERY grave matter. Even the MSM gets this. Hillary will not be the next President. If people didn't trust her before, now it will be 10 times worse. She MAY be the nominee, but she will be limping to the finish line. And I don't believe that all of the Supers will stick with her.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 03:24 PM

lancer78 (1,495 posts)

22. Here is a tip

 

Until you get congress to become more progressive, a person like Bernie as POTUS will be as worthless as tits on a boar. This an obvious message lost on the young who fail to show up in off-year elections.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:23 PM

dana_b (11,546 posts)

25. and here is something for you

I understand that. That's why Bernie is trying to help people like Tim Canova, Russ Feingold, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. to get into and stay in Congress.

Bernie is also doing his best to get those young voters engaged in the system. For instance he helped put together http://www.thepeoplessummit.org/ I hope lots of people show up to that one.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:26 PM

scscholar (2,902 posts)

28. Well it certainly took him long enough...

 

to start supporting other candidates finally.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 02:19 AM

barrow-wight (744 posts)

16. Hmmmmm.

You say what they should consider. I say what they will consider:

threats. doxxing. calling workplaces. more threats. abusive language. sexism. even more threats.


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Thu May 26, 2016, 03:04 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

20. Yep... that's the Hillary campaign

 

You nailed it. The supers are looking at the H and are looking for a way to distance themselves. When they have stepped back, they will feel the Bern and act correctly and vote to nominate Bernie..

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:08 PM

barrow-wight (744 posts)

23. Actually,

All of those things were done to Roberta Lange and numerous superdelegates. But then you knew that already.

Boy, this convention is going to be a hard one for you. I can just tell. All of the bluster and puffery going on about how Bernie's winning on here is just prepping so many people for a let-down of emotionally devastating proportions.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 06:07 AM

HereSince1628 (36,063 posts)

17. The weakness of the argument is that the party rarely looks much beyond the next election.

Yes, it's -always- true that the young will inherit what the old leave behind. Yes there are big problems looming on the horizon.

But I think that is being a bit overplayed.

For politicians, the party's problems still involve raising money, getting elected, and delivering to those who gave money and, sadly, to themselves. Just how does a person spend their life in government and become a person with scores of millions of dollars???

To be meaningful to politicians--yes, let's admit it, for whom the party exists--all those problems, must resolve in the proximate future. That in large part is why things like politicians actually putting money in promised pension plans of gov't workers, repairing infrastructure, and worrying about global warming and long-term energy policy don't get dealt with in real time. Unless a crisis intervenes those are problems that get kicked down the road.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 06:12 AM

Star Member jcgoldie (7,135 posts)

18. delusional till the end

Going down with the ship.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 03:01 PM

RobertEarl (13,685 posts)

19. Wow

 

You actually have so little respect for yourself that you would post something so rude and disruptive?

Our revolution will be coming to your TV soon. You will love it.

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Fri May 27, 2016, 05:20 AM

Star Member jcgoldie (7,135 posts)

36. I have plenty of respect for myself

My message was about your delusions that Sanders can win. The fact that you feel the need to make it personal tells me that perhaps you have deeper issues than just the inability to accept political reality. Have a nice day.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:13 PM

Star Member democrattotheend (11,515 posts)

24. Absent a scandal that makes a candidate unelectable, I think the superdelegates should follow votes

As much as I want Bernie to be the nominee, if at the end of the primaries Hillary indisputably has more votes and pledged delegates I think the superdelegates should respect the will of the voters and nominate her, UNLESS the e-mail scandal or some other scandal has made her damaged goods to the point where she is probably unelectable. For example, had John Edwards won a majority of pledged delegates in 2008 before the affair and campaign finance scandal broke, I think the superdelegates would have been justified in nominating whoever got the second highest number of pledged delegates in the primaries and caucuses.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

27. Super delegates will destroy our party if they nominate the second place finisher.

 

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Thu May 26, 2016, 06:07 PM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

31. Yet that's what they are there for. To nominate the strongest candidate. Don't give up

 

hope, though..Hillary might not be indicted.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 07:42 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

33. I can't wait till skinner calls it.

 

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Thu May 26, 2016, 04:38 PM

beachbum bob (10,437 posts)

29. nomination of a person who can win and an angry old socialist won't beat trump

 

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Thu May 26, 2016, 06:18 PM

Star Member brooklynite (67,810 posts)

32. ....Also,which candidate can win a general election.

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Thu May 26, 2016, 07:45 PM

amborin (16,631 posts)

34. Bernie must be our nominee in order to beat Trump

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Thu May 26, 2016, 08:00 PM

LexVegas (5,128 posts)

35. Don't lose mad. Just lose.

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