My line in the sand is I cannot vote for someone who jeopardized National Security and

[merbex]

seems to have actively worked to keep what belongs to us, the American people, OUR records, by actively it seems avoiding FOIA laws.

So, if Democrats want my vote, they better nominate someone who doesn't have this baggage.

I may write in a name or I may vote down ballot for Democrats and leave POTUS blank.

My vote will not be for HRC.

She crossed my line.

[SFnomad]

1. tRump thanks you for you support n/t

[morningfog]

2. Lame ass response.

[SFnomad]

5. Lame ass OP n/t

[Scootaloo]

25. You're clearly a fine judge of quality

What with your seven hides and all.

[Nye Bevan]

28. I have zero hides and I thought it was lame.

As long as fineness is deemed to be inversely proportional to number of hides.

[SFnomad]

34. Since you have three hides, you really don't have much room to talk n/t

[hellofromreddit]

93. Looks like about 4 hides of room. #feelthemath

[oberliner]

6. If HRC gets the nomination, either she or Trump will become POTUS

Important to at least recognize that.

[Jackilope]

17. Neither deserve the office. How did it come to this? N/T

[oberliner]

66. Fair enough

But Hillary still aligns with the general principles of the Democratic Party, in spite of her flaws, and those are certainly more admirable than the principles of the Republican party and the horrible things Trump has been proposing (giant walls, banning Muslims, etc).

[lagomorph777]

92. The general principles of the Democratic Party do not allow for hiding e-mails from everybody...

...except our enemies.

[oberliner]

102. Immigration, Climate Change, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Health Care, Education

Those are what I am talking about.

[lagomorph777]

103. How well will those principles be served by President Trump?

Or by a severely weakened President Clinton, constantly under impeachment threat?

[merbex]

9. My country before partisan politics - don't think I haven't given this thought

I have relatives serving presently in the Armed Forces services. I value their lives and I think about what might have been hacked.

I don't vote out of fear.

I am voting my values.

So, Super Delegates:do your fucking job.

Either get behind Bernie or pick a compromise candidate.

HRC crossed my line.

Whatever your line is..........is your line.

I know what mine is.

[SFnomad]

11. tRump thanks you for your "line" and not compromising ...

I'm sure you'd be happier with tRump as President anyways.

[pinebox]

36. If he isn't voting for Trump, wouldn't that help Hillary?

Same logic applied.

[SFnomad]

38. Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

Someone that would vote for BS as the Democratic nominee, but won't vote for Secretary Clinton as the Democratic nominee is helping tRump ... was that simple enough to follow or do I have to break it down into even smaller words?

[pinebox]

39. Logic is. Reality is too.

Alex, I'll take "what's a net zero for a $100 please".

He isn't voting for Hillary.
He isn't voting for Trump.

A net zero is gonna be a zero.

It isn't hard. 0 + 0 = 0.

He helps nor hurts anyone.

[SFnomad]

40. Bzzzt, thanks for playing, but we have wonderful parting gifts for you n/t

[pinebox]

43. You're welcome. :) I love #winning

It's fun!

[pinebox]

48. When you loose the argument, resort to personal attacks on people. LOL

Yup, you have no argument so you have to take the low road on a stage on thousands here on DU & resort to name calling.
Bad day? You sound like you need a hug bro
We can help you with that XD

[SFnomad]

49. And here is a big hug for you ...

[pinebox]

50. Nawwww sorry not interested in the outstretched arms of the greedy

who are looking for another buck

[brush]

59. Wrong. He hurts the Dems as it's one less vote for us.

[Yurovsky]

77. Vladimir Putin thanks you for your "line"...

I'm sure he hopes that the next President displays the same level of carelessness WRT classified information.

[CincyDem]

30. So what's on your side of the line ?

4 years of Supreme Court nominees that make Scalia look liberal and Thomas look intellectual ?

4 years of decimated foreign policy driven by fear, isolationism and xenophobia ?

4 years of fiscal destruction for the middle class ?

I guess I'm confused about where your line is because when this all heads into November, there will be two viable candidates on the ballot - HRC and Trump. Stein and the other 2...yeah, they'll be on the ballot and have as much chance of being elected as you or me. Unfortunately, Sanders as a write in will also be in that "not on God's green earth" category.

So it's red pill or blue pill time and while you might feel better in the moment saying "F you...I don't like my choices"...ask yourself how you'll feel when things like Miranda, Roe v. Wade, or Ledbetter get over turned and chit like Citizens United on steroids becomes the standard of election funding. Ask yourself at that point - was my line worth it.

So vote your values. Write in Bernie. Sure, you'll f*ck over HRC and you'll teach the DNC a lesson. You'll take a stand but you'll be voting out of fear. Your vote will be an "I'm afraid she didn't practice good email etiquette". And if you're really a concerned American who "votes their country" you'll spend the next 4 years wondering where it went because it'll be unrecognizable in 2020 post a Trump first term.

Sorry dude (or dudette). I voted for Sanders in my primary but that round is over. You may not like being viewed as a Trump supporter but in reality, that's what this position creates because "none of the above" isn't on the ballot - no matter how much you wish that were the case. We'll get a new president on 11/9 (technically 1/20 but you get the point) with out without you.

So tell me - if you're not going to vote for HRC...what's Trump going to give you to protect your family in the Armed Forces. You're upset about emails but have no issue with abdicating the WH to a fascist, racist, Nationalist who has no compunction advocating global trade wars which, if I'm not mistaken, have been the catalyst for virtually every major armed conflict in modern times.

[Samantha]

61. This is what I have been saying all along

Washington, D.C. is the political capital of the world, but the one thing we take more seriously than politics is national security. People tend to forget that along with New York, we were hit on 9/11. That type of event truly puts everything into perspective for a person. And like you, I have pointed out that many people here work in the security (intelligence) field, or they have family members or friends that do as well.

Sam

[840high]

22. Tell him thank you.

[amborin]

41. lame reponse and in any case, Trump can only thank Clinton and her behavior

[Joe the Revelator]

68. Boooo

[oberliner]

3. Hooray for voting against the Democratic candidate for president

How wonderful for you.

[PufPuf23]

13. What is your excuse for supporting a candidate lacking the character to be POTUS?

If an underling of Hillary Clinton (or under you at your workplace), had against policy set up a private email system with the server in their own home and then lied and deflected about the system for months, what would Hillary Clinton do to that underling or what would happen to the individual at your place of work?

The emails that were released by WikiLeaks between Clinton and Blumenthal are quite sleazy in content and not congruent that intervention in Libya was for strictly "humanitarian" reasons but identified "business opportunities" and like-minded individuals for cooperation.

[oberliner]

63. Her stances on issues important to me are much better than Trump's

She doesn't think climate change is a hoax. She doesn't think there should be no minimum wage. She doesn't think women should be punished for having abortions. She doesn't think we should build a giant wall with Mexico. She doesn't think Muslims should be banned from the US. She won't nominate right-wingers to the Supreme Court.

[PufPuf23]

79. I agree with you about Trump and all the other issues you note.

Maybe Hillary Clinton should not be the Democratic nominee for POTUS regardless.

There are other fine and not so fine potential Democratic candidates that would be like on those issues and likely do better than Clinton in an election versus Trump.

I don't favor Clinton because I am anti-war and believe that neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism are bad for the USA and Earth and that neo-liberals have infiltrated and taken control of the Democratic party as a political vehicle and have taken over the USA out of the political vacuum post-Vietnam.

I support Sanders because he was the only meaningful competition to Hillary Clinton and because of his refreshing turn against neo-liberalism.

I have thought that if something was to stop Clinton, the Democratic establishment would by-pass Sanders. Now we see Biden's name floated but I would far prefer Kerry.

Hillary Clinton has deep hard to ignore flaws once seen and admitted.

Too bad we have worked ourselves into this mess.

[oberliner]

82. Those are all reasonable points

Each of us, if we could select a Democratic nominee for president, could probably come up with someone who would be more closely aligned with our values.

However, the process, for better or worse, looks like it will be resulting in HRC being our nominee.

While I certainly do not think she is the greatest choice in the world, and I acknowledge that she has many serious flaws as a candidate, I still find her to be an infinitely better choice than Donald Trump.

[CorkySt.Clair]

15. The fringe left always finds a reason to vote against the establishment

Four years from now it would be Bernie's turn for that treatment if he were to be elected.

It's also one of the reasons the fringe left never gets anything done.

[pinebox]

37. Fringe left? Bwahaha while most of America agrees with Bernie?

Ya, I guess most of America is fringe which technically makes it mainstream, amiright? XD

[amborin]

42. "fringe left"? that's the kind of talk one would expect from right wing types

to call mainstream democratic New Deal principles fringe left speaks volumes

[pinebox]

45. Indeed it does

[dana_b]

16. she's not the candidate

No one is yet. And voting for someone who KNOWINGLY and PUPOSEFULLY went against National Security is nothing to promote.

[oberliner]

64. That's true

I would be happy to support Bernie or Hillary over Trump, depending on which one of them ends up being the nominee.

[840high]

23. Hooray for honesty. I am

tired of lies.

[oberliner]

65. Honesty is important

I can't argue with that. Personally, though, I think we should do everything in our power to ensure that Donald Trump not become president. I hope that all of us who feel strongly about that can unite behind whoever the Democrats end up nominating, even if they are flawed.

[LoverOfLiberty]

4. Vote for whoever you want

Your screed on here is kinda pathetic. Like, who cares?

[Trajan]

56. Speaking of pathetic ...

The tone deaf meanness of some Hillary supporters is quite remarkable, and disgusting ...

The flippant nonchalance in which the insults are offered ... It's sociopathic ... It's misanthropic ...

So gone ...

[senz]

62. + a million

[LynnTTT]

7. Sorry, no system is safe

Hackers have gotten into many government sites. I don't think you can ever find any totally secure system.

[Fawke Em]

60. This is such a lame cop-out.

Yes, the OPM and other government servers have been hacked, but not the closed-loop systems where we keep national security data. Once SIPRnet was "compromised," but that was from an insider using an infected thumb drive, not from an external source.

The OPM and other government offices have servers that allow the public in via email and other methods, so they are more susceptible to hacking, as is any server connected to the Internet.

SIPRnet and JWICS do not allow those with access the ability to email into or out of the system and are supposed to only be accessed in a SCIF (which Hillary refused to do). The investigation has shown that one of her aides had hand-copied info off SIPRnet and then used another method to place that information into an email to send to her. That's where the break-down in safe communications occurred.

Your comment isn't based in fact.

[pdsimdars]

94. Ah, so that means that we shouldn't try to do the best we can? Just ignore all the safety

rules and guidelines, because, hey, someone once got hacked so nothing matters?
National security is just too hard,so you just give up.

That's what you are saying and it is stupid.

[Dem2]

8. Bye

Dumbest post I've seen to date.

[merbex]

10. Laughing at the responses

You think she won't be impeached for this?

Think again.

[SFnomad]

12. Let them impeach her ... the Senate will find her Not Guilty ... and the Republicans will be seen as

doing another partisan impeachment. Some day, the electorate will finally get tired of the only thing Republicans doing is obstructing and playing partisan games.

[That Guy 888]

51. Unless the Senate remains gop. You seriously think they wouldn't impeach her?

There are no moderates left in the gop.

[Hoyt]

14. Quit being so dramatic.

[redstateblues]

18. Gimme a break-You weren't voting for her anyway. Trump says thanks

[Jitter65]

19. What national security was risked? nt

[procon]

20. Mind if I sit and wait you you? nt

[840high]

26. If you don't know after

all that has been uncovered - you don't deserve aan answer.

[840high]

21. I feel the same way.

[Surya Gayatri]

24. Warning...lines often get washed away at high tide.

[AtomicKitten]

27. And the lying, the incessant pathological lying.

She is unfit for office.

[pdsimdars]

95. She lies about stupid shit she KNOWS we'll find out about.

[deathrind]

29. At the end of the day...

Trump cannot become President of the United States, that is not an option.

[Rockyj]

33. So don't you think Hillary needs to DROP out of RACE...

...especially if she really cares about US?
WHY? Because the Clinton's have TOO much baggage, corruption & BS that could fill a barge & Hillary REALLY will lose against Trump!
So if she's TRULY a good, honest, caring, presidential candidate against a F-N FOOL like Trump she would NOT be polling so BAD against him!

[deathrind]

35. In a utopian

...world, Yes, she should drop out but that is not going to happen. If she gets the nomination and the choice is either HRC or Trump...I do not like at all that that is the only two choices I have but that is a pretty simple choice in my mind.

[Trajan]

53. In the 'real world' ...

Bernie leads Trump by a far larger margin than Hillary, who actually LAGS behind tRump in a number of recent polls ...

Who's living in a utopian world?

[deathrind]

58. In the real world...

If Sanders gets the nomination (which right now he is not winning) that's great but if he doesn't than it does not matter how well he polls against Trump because the choice will be between HRC and Trump not Sanders and Trump.

[Beausoir]

31. Lol. Sure it is.

Were you on the fence before today?

Because that would seem to be an awfully precarious perch you've just hemmed yourself on to.

Hillary has won the Primary. She is now facing Trump in the GE. How does Trump square with your deeply felt principles regarding national security?

[pdsimdars]

96. And yet it's BERNIE who will be having the first debate with Trump.

[Rockyj]

32. Here, Here!

Even if Bernie makes a deal and ends up supporting her I could never vote for ANY Clinton not matter

[auntpurl]

44. Ha ha! I would love to know if that was even in your top 500 criteria before this election cycle

But now it's the hill you're willing to die on. Ok.

[liberal_at_heart]

46. Very well put. Those are our records.

[The_Casual_Observer]

52. Nobody cares

[Trajan]

54. You lie ...

I care ....

Gone

[The_Casual_Observer]

55. Nobody cares

[brush]

57. Are you a Snowden supporter?

[merbex]

67. So I have read through the responses

I have already made a judgment that HRC has threatened out National Security by her casual use of classified documents on her sometimes unprotected private server.

What are YOU going to do if the FBI recommends an indictment?

What are YOU going to do if a lot of people in our Intelligence community, plus the FBI Director resign over inaction by the DOJ?

This candidate does not have the grace or the humility to withdraw - she would rather take the Democratic Party down with her as being 'soft on National Security'.

Good Luck canvassing for someone who had an entire staff BREAK THE RULES that govern every other government empolyee.

She's special.

It is her turn.

Despite whatever she does.

No.

My vote is not going to a person like that.

I am calling on Super Delegates to DO THE JOB THAT WAS ACTUALLY THEIR PURPOSE: to take into consideration news, developments, and information about the potential nominee.

Pick a compromise candidate - just do not pick this person who has put out National Security at risk.

[RogueTrooper]

69. Is this your first fake Clinton scandal?

Because your acting like its your first fake Clinton scandal.

Have you ever wondered why the Republicans have spent so much money trying to smear Bill & Hillary Clinton? Now, whilst you are wondering ask yourself this: Why have, after all these investigations, nothing comes of them? The answer is because they are fake scandals created and propagandized by the hard right and their fifth column friends.

[merbex]

71. Gee whiz, did they catch the person who broke into her house and installed this server without her

knowledge and consent?

She did this to HERSELF and we as a nation are paying for it.

This is NOT a vast right wing conspiracy.

This is HRC thinking and acting as if the RULES that govern everyone else do not apply to her,

I'm over it.

This is serious stuff she brought down on herself and she probably hurt our National Security.

Not getting my vote.

So I am hoping they choose a compromise candidate in Philadelphia.

[RogueTrooper]

73. What was the cost to the nation?

out of interest?

[merbex]

75. Read yesterday's report and there is a timeline people promote on this site

It is YOUR job to inform yourself.

[RogueTrooper]

80. Your the one with the bee in your bonnet chap

and jonesing the passive aggressive smear.

I have had a look and, my opinion can be, thanks to Josh@TPM, eloquently summed up as

This was never more than some poor judgment overlayed by a big bureaucratic pissing match all slathered over by a thick layer of partisan game playing and media derp.

I couldn't have said it better myself. But there have been lots of folks geared up to make hay over this and, whatever was said, make hay they shall.

[pdsimdars]

98. Talk to the FBI or any other top Intelligence Official about it. . . they'll tell you who has their

head firmly up their assets.

[RogueTrooper]

101. That would be very unproffesional way to talk about Donald Trump

even if he deserves it. They are, after all, public servants.

[Tom Rinaldo]

70. I could if the alternative jeopardized National Security more

I voted for Bernie in my primary. It's true though, I'm not in the Bernie or Bust camp, though I think it will be a big mistake if Democrats nominate Hillary.

[merbex]

74. I've thought about that and I have an idea that the GOP nominee is going to be watched a like a hawk

and not allowed near anything 'special' - or, there is an amendment to the Constitution which says the POTUS is/can be declared incompetent and their powers are transferred over to the VP.

I WANT a compromise candidate to come out of Philadelphia.

I feel that's our best chance to defeat the GOP and to distance ourselves from the taint of being 'soft' on National Security.

[bigwillq]

72. It's the arrogance more than anything, for me.

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Wipe it. With a cloth?



And the incompetence.

She can't even use email correctly, but we're going to put her in the White House?

No, thanks.

[bigtree]

76. 'line in the sand' is so Bushian

...so bullshit.

[merbex]

78. You do know Generals in WWII were stripped of their command because of 'loose lips sink ships'?

National Security is just about as serious as it gets.

DO YOU want the Democratic Party to be forever tainted with being 'soft on National Security?"

You better hope a compromise candidate comes out of Philadelphia

[COLGATE4]

84. OMG. "Forever tainted with being soft on National Security". Why, the thought never occurred

to me. Certainly the Rethuglicans have never run on a platform of "Democrats are weak on National Security". But this is obviously much more serious. After all, to be "forever tainted" ...

[bigtree]

86. no security breach, report says no evidence of successful hack

...not 'as serious as it gets.'

[merbex]

87. I'll wait for the FBI to tell me that, thank you n/t

[bigtree]

100. then stop vibing off of the IG report

[eggman67]

81. Expect to be mocked, ridiculed, etc. But stand your ground.

You're right, principles matter.

[merbex]

85. I'm standing very firmly. Why so many excuse such

egregious behavior just tells me they are so emotionally invested in her candidacy and can't put the country first.

I seriously doubt it will be Bernie Sanders supporters screaming about a compromise candidate coming out of Philadelphia - ( that means he doesn't get it either to those too stupid to realize it), I honestly think it is the only way the Democrats can win the Presidency this cycle - turn to a new face.

So Super Delegates - do your real, true, job.

[workinclasszero]

83. Herr Trump appreciates all you are doing to ensure his election to Führer of Amerika

[beaglelover]

88. And tell me again why I should give one shit about your vote???????

[merbex]

89. Backatcha n/t

[YouDig]

90. Right, because Trump will be just great for national security.

[workinclasszero]

91. IKR?

[Demsrule86]

97. State was hacked three times

so I guess her email had better security...not surprising ...State is a mess...now there is a scandal.

[MineralMan]

99. My line in the sand is that I don't believe very much of opinions

I see posted on DU by anonymous posters with whom I'm not familiar. Instead, I go other places to find information.

[merbex]

104. Backatcha n/t

[shrike]

105. Colin Powell used a private email server while sec. of state

How was that different? I've been able to find little about it; wouldn't mind someone explaining to me.

[Avalux]

106. No, he did not. He used a private email address, not a private server.

The difference? Because Hillary used her own server to conduct State Department business there is no audit trail. This means that she had sole control over emails that don't belong to her and was able to do whatever she wanted with them.

From Politifact:

So that leaves Powell, a regular email user, as Clinton’s only predecessor who serves as a useful comparison. When we reached out to the Clinton campaign, they pointed us to Powell.

Like Clinton, Powell used a personal email address. However, there’s a big difference: Clinton hosted her email on a private server located in her home. Powell did not.

Many politicians use private addresses, but private servers like the one Clinton used are rarely seen, said John Wonderlich, a policy director at the Sunlight Foundation, a nonpartisan group focused on government transparency, for a prior PolitiFact story.

And there’s a big difference between a private account, which is generally free and simple to start, and a private server, which requires a more elaborate setup.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/09/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-said-my-predecessors-did-same-thin/