Barack Obama secured the nomination on June 3, 2008, BY ROLLING OUT 60 SUPER DELEGATE ENDORSEMENTS

[MohRokTah]

Anybody who claims that a candidate needs a super majority of pledged delegates to secure the nomination is purely lying.

2,383 delegates as the requirement for the nomination includes super delegates, so reaching that number must include super delegates.

Hillary Clinton is 78 delegates away from that number right now.

End of discussion.

Thank goodness Skinner has announced this bullshit ends when the voting ends and nobody will be able to pretend on this site any longer after June 14 that the nominee is not the nominee.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10436

[elleng]

1. "Thanks" for adding to the bullshit

by posting this.

[AtomicKitten]

30. 537 > 60

by a buttload

[mythology]

39. You do realize Obama had way more than 60 super delegates before June 3rd right?

His campaign had those 60 endorse on the day of the final primary to help push him over the majority of delegates on that day rather than having it happen after he had already clinched the pledged delegate lead.

[fun n serious]

2. Thank you.

[MohRokTah]

4. Thank you

So far, yours is the only response I can see and I refuse to release the more than 500 prior to Hillary clinching.

[workinclasszero]

43. Nice ignore list

I had about that many but I cleared it once then put some back on LOL

On the day Hillary is finally declared the democratic nominee and Skinner calls it I will clear the ignore list so I don't miss any of the poo throwing flame outs that will be going on here for days probably at the Bernie Underground!!!

I can't wait!!!!

[LonePirate]

8. The primary will end sometime between June 7 - June 15.

This talk of taking it to the convention is all talk and nothing more.

[silvershadow]

9. No the vote isn't taken until convention. nt

[LonePirate]

13. Bernie will concede betwen 6/7-6/15, just like Clinton did in 2008.

Political reality and pressure will cause Bernie to bow out, effectively ending it. There will be no contested convention. There will be no uncertainty. There will be no Hail Mary.

[silvershadow]

26. I'm not sure all the delegate counts will be certified by then.

[mythology]

40. Even if that's true, there won't be enough potential outstanding pledged delegates

to make even the slightest difference to Clinton's lead.

[LibraLiz1973]

35. Don't be so sure. Bernie is single-handedly destroying the party

and handing the election to Trump.
If you thought Donald had a huge ego with a toddlers temperament all I can say is he looks
downright calm compared to Bernie.

[Surya Gayatri]

33. FYI - Skinner has spoken...

QUESTION:

"In another ATA thread, you said the admins would wait until the voting ends to clamp down.
Presumably, that means thru the DC primary, barring a concession/suspension of campaign. However, if neither candidate has sufficient pledged delegates, both will claim they can be nominated. Will you let GD: P go on this way until August?

Is it get-behind-the-nominee or hit the road, or will some tolerance toward non-supporting the Dem nominee be exercised, assuming the member is not supporting Trump and otherwise behaves?

SKINNER REPLIES:

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453#post1

DEAL WITH IT.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

5. Super delegates are looking very hard at Clinton's legal problems.

I expect that the wiser among them are going to sit pat for awhile to see what happens. Doing the math on the chalkboard doesn't get the swimming pool built when the suppliers are wondering if they should even show up.

[MohRokTah]

6. Bullshit

There are no legal problems.

Just because you share a dream with rightwingers (the dream of a Clinton indictment put forward by Darrell Issa originally) doesn't mean it's anything more than a dream.

The race is over June 7. Pretending it isn't after June 14 on DU could get you banned:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10436

[DisgustipatedinCA]

7. You can engage in personal attacks and daydream of my banning until the cows come home.

Reality won't budge an inch despite your best efforts. Hillary Clinton is facing legal problems; that's not even a controversial statement.

[MohRokTah]

12. I have made no personal attack.

I refuted your argument handily.

If you consider that a personal attack, I suggest getting a better argument.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

15. You compared me with right wingers and talked of my being banned.

Did you consider that a friendly hello?

Aside from that, your only real retort was to exclaim "Bullshit" and make the claim that she had no legal problems. Don't worry about me alerting that post; spend your energy getting your arguments in order.

[MohRokTah]

17. I merely pointed out that your dream of Hillary being indicted,...

is a dream shared with rightwingers beginning with Darrell Issa.

I further informed you of Skinner's position on the very argument you are putting forth, that Super Delegates don't count before the convention so the primary is not over. Skinner's position is, once the voting is done we have a nominee, and the voting is done on June 14.

Hillary Clinton will be the nominee. No wishing, desires, or fanciful fallacious arguments will alter that fact.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. Til the cows come home, M.

[MohRokTah]

14. BTW, let me know what the vote count was on the alert. eom

[DisgustipatedinCA]

16. See post 15. There was no alert.

[MohRokTah]

18. YEah, ... right.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. And now your implication is that I'm lying. I'm not. Tough day?

[MohRokTah]

22. Believe what you will.

As I do.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

24. Good luck finding those nonexistent jurors. And thanks for believing what I will.

[Scootaloo]

25. So you threaten and insult, then claim victimhood

How uninspired.

[onenote]

37. Really? You know this for a fact?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

48. I don't have a citation, if that's what you're asking. But if the SD's have cognitive function

...then yes, of course it's weighing heavily on their minds.

[fancypants75]

10. Endorsements are not votes.

[MohRokTah]

11. Actually, yes, they are. OTherwise Barack Obama would not have clinched the nomination June 3, 2008

Attempting to pretend they aren't on DU after DC has voted could get you banned:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10436

[silvershadow]

28. Voting...Supers don't vote until Convention. nt

[ucrdem]

29. Neither do the pledged delegates. nt

[Thinkingabout]

52. Endorsements by Super Delegates are votes, except for 8 delegates which gets counted for one half

the super delegates counts as much as the pledged delegates. Where did you think the super delegates votes are not votes?

[Lucinda]

21. KNR Thank you!

[ucrdem]

23. The AP delegate tracker agrees with you -- 78 more delegates and it's over.

https://interactives.ap.org/2016/delegate-tracker/

#feelthemath

[workinclasszero]

47. Hill 78...Sanders 844

[slipslidingaway]

31. Obama was not under several investigations and Clinton cannot get the required number of delegates

before the convention.

[onenote]

38. Obama couldn't get the required number of delegates until the convention either

As has been pointed out a zillion and a half times.

But no one disputed that he was the presumptive nominee as soon as he got 1/2 plus one of the pledged delegates.

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Can I get an Amen to that?

[Starry Messenger]

34. She's the presumptive nominee.

This thing is over.

[berni_mccoy]

36. He didn't secure it until she agreed to be his SoS. End of story.

[morningfog]

41. Your premise is flawed. Hillary conceded.

Had Hillary taken it to the convention, we have no way of knowing the outcome.

No one is saying Hillary now needs to secure 2,383 pledged delegates to win. The point is that either candidate will have to rely on supers to win and since supers don't vote until the convention, the race can't be won until then.

That is a different scenario than 2008 when Hillary dropped out before the convention.

[hack89]

44. Bernie will concede after DC votes

he will not humiliate himself to placate his more rabid supporters.

[morningfog]

45. I expect that he will, but it is far from a given.

He's talking more of taking it to the convention.

[onenote]

54. She conceded because she knew that hundreds of superdelegates who had committed to Obama

weren't going to change their minds between June and the convention.

That is called living in the real world.

Thinking that hundreds of superdelegates are going to change their minds between June and the convention this year is called living in a fantasy land.

[morningfog]

55. I don't think they'll switch. But, the premise of the OP is flawed.

[onenote]

57. I think that depends on what one means by "secured" the nomination

In fact, the moment Obama had won a majority of the pledged delegates plus super delegate commitments sufficient to get him the nomination, he had for all practical purposes "secured" the nomination.

That he had won the nomination was in a sense ratified later at the convention when the formality of voting occurred. But the outcome was known from the moment he announced the additional superdelegate support needed to put him over the top. Which is why Clinton conceded -- she knew that he had effectively "secured" the nomination at that point and that there was no reason for her to hold onto her delegates anymore.

[NCTraveler]

42. Sanders is doing what he is doing now...

Because it will only be another week before every news outlet is calling her the nominee. He loses a ton of leverage when that happens.

[Fumesucker]

46. Skinner has also said he put his ass on the line with the amnesty, Mr Nine Hides At The Moment

He then went on to say how disappointed he was that so many who got amnesty continued right on with the immature behavior that got them a time out in the first place.

But you go right on with your bad self, never mind that.

[morningfog]

49. This is false. Obama secured the nomination when HIllary dropped out four days later.

[onenote]

56. When Clinton dropped out and released her delegates

she added to Obama's margin, but he already had the delegates (pledged plus supers) he needed to get the nomination. Her act of dropping out and releasing her delegates didn't change the outcome, it just reflected the reality of the outcome.

[Iliyah]

51. It seems that the oppossing opponent seems to

think that it's a GOP primary and winner takes all.

????????????????????????????

[peace13]

53. Can't wait to see how it plays out around here!

Stay cool, the time is coming!

[realmirage]

58. Obama declared victory immediately after CA and the press agreed

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/us/politics/04elect.html