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pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:02 AM May 2016

‘Game On’: Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump Just Agreed to Debate

Donald Trump just told late night host Jimmy Kimmel that he’d be willing to debate Bernie Sanders in California “for charity.” And Sanders is game.

Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, was asked if he’d be willing to debate Senator Bernie Sanders ahead of California’s primary since Hillary Clinton rejected a Democratic debate invitation from Fox News. Surprisingly, the billionaire real estate developer was warm to the idea, saying he’d debate Sanders as long as the hosting network was willing to donate the ad revenue proceeds from the event to charity.

<snip>

The venue, host, and time of the hypothetical debate has yet to be announced, though it’s likely one could be arranged in the coming two weeks before the June 7 contest.

The former Secretary of State has come under criticism this week for her refusal to debate Sen. Sanders, given that she agreed to four additional presidential debates in February, with one debate every month. The Democratic candidates have debated three times, and the Sanders campaign has pushed for a debate in California, the state with the most pledged delegates at stake out of all states and territories. Clinton reneged on that promise recently, flatly refusing to debate.


http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-debate/

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‘Game On’: Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump Just Agreed to Debate (Original Post) pdsimdars May 2016 OP
Very interesting. yeoman6987 May 2016 #1
Bernie's allowing himself to be used firebrand80 May 2016 #2
Trump will have to defend himself as Bernie attacks him. virtualobserver May 2016 #4
If it turns out to be Bernie attacking Trump firebrand80 May 2016 #5
Bernie has called Trump a pathological liar...... virtualobserver May 2016 #9
Bernie is really good in the debates so far. I think the consensus is he beat Clinton in all of them Baobab May 2016 #127
You must be kidding. Bernie's campaign is embroiled in Hillary hate, from the top on down. R B Garr May 2016 #19
Can you imagine the implosion of anger if Hillary debated Trump now? "oh she thinks the primary is.. themaguffin May 2016 #23
Exactly! If Hillary had tried one iota of the campaign gimmicks Bernie has, there R B Garr May 2016 #92
Bullshit....If Bernie can take down Trump in a debate, he proves his General Election argument. virtualobserver May 2016 #26
Bullshit yourself. And go get some fresh air yourself. Bernie is nothing without R B Garr May 2016 #61
Watching Team Hillary freak out this morning has been fun..... virtualobserver May 2016 #63
Your desperation is showing. But this is a perfect example of how little Bernie's campaign R B Garr May 2016 #78
Kicking Trump's ass on national Television is just good political strategy. virtualobserver May 2016 #81
You started out saying Bernie gave Hillary a pass, which he didn't. R B Garr May 2016 #84
by maligning her.....you mean telling the truth about her wrong decisions and policies? virtualobserver May 2016 #88
The problem with Bernie's candidacy is he's all talk. He couldn't or wouldn't name R B Garr May 2016 #90
Calling people out would be a distraction. The problem is systemic. virtualobserver May 2016 #95
"Hillary thinks the solution is taking cash from Wall St." R B Garr May 2016 #97
The fact that you don't see the fact that Hillary took cash hand over fist as corruption.... virtualobserver May 2016 #113
Ah, but that was another debate question Bernie whiffed. He was asked to identify a R B Garr May 2016 #115
Hillary is the first person to ever take huge amounts of cash from corporations..... virtualobserver May 2016 #120
Then why couldn't Bernie name one single policy that makes your statement true? R B Garr May 2016 #124
Bull Shit ...hating on Bernie is what Clinton has been doing since day one. bkkyosemite May 2016 #108
omg, the denial. Bernie has gotten a cakewalk from everyone, including Hillary. R B Garr May 2016 #112
You are the ones (the HRC Group) who have been in denial repeatedly over and over bkkyosemite May 2016 #117
You can't have it both ways. There have been nonstop complaints about Bernie not R B Garr May 2016 #123
One person's definition of "hate" is another person's revelation of facts and concerns. PufPuf23 May 2016 #50
Sanders is totally dedicated to Hillary hate. You are not kidding anyone. It's pretty R B Garr May 2016 #71
Odd that much of the pro-Sanders contingent at DU are the liberal anti-war boomers PufPuf23 May 2016 #76
And here comes the name-calling and labeling as if to make yourself superior. R B Garr May 2016 #83
Bernie has given Hillary a free pass. Hope he accepts since Hillary refuses to debate Sanders. imagine2015 May 2016 #28
Sounds good/interesting to me! I'll watch for sure! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #3
Sanders has just legitimized tRump MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #6
Are you saying that if Clinton is the nominee Eric J in MN May 2016 #7
First of all crystal dawn May 2016 #10
Actually a real leader doesn't back down and sticks to their word. NWCorona May 2016 #17
^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^ pdsimdars May 2016 #27
Like promising he wouldn't run a negative campaign? redstateblues May 2016 #40
Talking about her Wall Street ties is negative? Every time I hear her supporters JRLeft May 2016 #82
Bullshit. A "real leader" doesn't cower in silence Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #36
If Sanders actually debates Trump, when he is not the nominee and won't be the nominee, asuhornets May 2016 #49
Um... Hillary Tweets to Donald Trump all the time. Fawke Em May 2016 #52
If Bernie is nuts I Would hate to see what Hill is! peace13 May 2016 #74
Inane. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #33
As what? Trump's already the legit Repub nominee. n/t Jester Messiah May 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #42
He legitimized Trump? What? He's the GOP nominee. pinebox May 2016 #43
So Hillary will refuse to debate Trump if she captures the nomination because .... imagine2015 May 2016 #58
Waaahhhhhh! Somebody call the... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #62
WTF? crystal dawn May 2016 #8
He is also giving Trump Demsrule86 May 2016 #13
It would let Sanders show his supporters Eric J in MN May 2016 #14
Bernie could show his opposition to Trump crystal dawn May 2016 #18
Sanders criticizes Trump during his rallies. Eric J in MN May 2016 #32
Which he does...as you would know if you actually did your homework. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #37
Who does this? A leader. pinebox May 2016 #44
"ego-driven rallies" = more than 500 people in attendance, unlike Hillary rallies BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #85
"ego-driven rallies"? By that logic, aren't all rallies ego driven? Ned_Devine May 2016 #109
Hillary lied and reneged on her debate promise. Sanders has every right to debate whomever he wants. BillZBubb May 2016 #31
Tell me.... crystal dawn May 2016 #41
Hillary agreed to a debate. She reneged on that agreement. That is dishonesty. BillZBubb May 2016 #48
Have we not had the opportunity to know what the two D's already stand for??? crystal dawn May 2016 #60
I have to say... Ino May 2016 #79
Oh I must have missed those months and months and months crystal dawn May 2016 #86
Waaahhhh! You should call the cops! Tell Brock I said to fuck off! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #65
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black crystal dawn May 2016 #69
Oh, so sorry your feefees are hurt... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #72
Don't address crystal dawn May 2016 #77
See ya! ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #87
The person with 78 posts, who is trolling by the way, calling someone a troll is awesome Ned_Devine May 2016 #111
Trolling crystal dawn May 2016 #125
That's adorable Ned_Devine May 2016 #126
That's RICH! Hillary is the one being disrespectful to us, the Californian voters, dana_b May 2016 #98
exactly dana_b May 2016 #96
He gets the chance to show us all how he'd do against Trump in the GE. Jester Messiah May 2016 #39
Yes, exactly! peace13 May 2016 #70
This will good for both democratic candidates... tom-servo May 2016 #66
Ego? AirmensMom May 2016 #104
Bernie and Trump together... Demsrule86 May 2016 #11
Sanders would be there to criticize Trump. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #15
This has a certain sideshow quality to it. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #12
I want to see Chafee vs. Gilmore nt firebrand80 May 2016 #20
While I never trust anything reported from usuncut... NCTraveler May 2016 #16
Perhaps crystal dawn May 2016 #22
Yeah, Sanders isn't a strong debater. NCTraveler May 2016 #24
DIRECTLY helping Trump attack the nominee. ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #21
Want some cheese with that whine? BillZBubb May 2016 #51
Look to Hill Camp for your answers. peace13 May 2016 #73
1) you don't know that he'll attack Hillary in the debate, I think he'll focus on Trump. yodermon May 2016 #91
Your (2) has three errors of fact, ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #100
"attack the nominee"? your getting a little ahead of yourself aren't you? corkhead May 2016 #93
Trump just reached the 1,237 ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #107
From the outset, Trump dominated the primaries. HRC has lost a LOT and continues to. Ned_Devine May 2016 #116
Hey, you forgot the sarcasm thingee. Unless you really meant what you posted. mikehiggins May 2016 #94
You may need the classic comic abridgment ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #114
Well, as long as they don't take anything else off . . . ucrdem May 2016 #25
Bernie will have the first GE debate with the GOP nominee. The shark has been jumped. pdsimdars May 2016 #29
"Jumped the shark"--Spot on! ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #30
Love it! JudyM May 2016 #102
This is great news. I hope it happens. Hillary's afraid of a debate, Bernie's not. BillZBubb May 2016 #34
If I were Hillary I would refuse to debate. We have been watching a asjr May 2016 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #53
Trump would much rather run against Bernie and his one note campaign redstateblues May 2016 #45
This is the debate America wants! pinebox May 2016 #46
Right on. JudyM May 2016 #103
Trump is going to embarrass Sanders...eom asuhornets May 2016 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #56
Trump don't care about issues or policies, like Sanders does. Trump can't be embarrass. asuhornets May 2016 #59
Another circus act for our amusement? nruthie May 2016 #54
Given Bernie's wooden, robotic, one-note ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #64
This is like Cruze challenging Hillary to a debate. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #55
If it happens, that would be great! woodsprite May 2016 #57
What did Hillary used to say? "Anytime. Anywhere." Go Bernie! nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #67
Bernie has nothing to lose. He will have to face the Donald in the GE. peace13 May 2016 #68
I'd say that if Sanders does this, he's cut out of the convention entirely Tarc May 2016 #75
Precisely--Bernie would be joining ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #80
Trump is now claiming to be kidding about a debate..... crystal dawn May 2016 #89
So SBS TRIED to defect to Trump, ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #119
The only way in which this will be a good idea Nonhlanhla May 2016 #99
It's been a bad two days for the Hillary campaign. B Calm May 2016 #101
She won WA primary and was endorsed by the Auto Workers Union lunamagica May 2016 #129
I Would Have Thought SDJay May 2016 #105
Elimination of all committee assignments and expulsion from the caucus alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #106
Clinton supporters complained for months that Sanders doesn't spend enough time attacking Trump. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #110
They act just like the GOP acts to Obama, whatever he does it is wrong. They have become pdsimdars May 2016 #131
NOPE! Just a joke. Sorry... brooklynite May 2016 #118
Cross party debates in the primary are a great way to see how candidates would do in the general DebDoo May 2016 #121
I would LOVE to see that happen. fleabiscuit May 2016 #122
Could DWS try and stop this xloadiex May 2016 #128
Hillary is invited to participate, is she not? democrattotheend May 2016 #130

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
2. Bernie's allowing himself to be used
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:08 AM
May 2016

The only reason Trump would agree to do this would be because he thinks he can use it make Hillary look bad. Trump doesn't give a damn about debating Bernie, he wants to use the free media to tee off on Hillary.

I already know that many of his supporters think that's just dandy, but I will lose some respect for Bernie if he goes through with this.

Sidenote: I don't expect this to actually happen.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
4. Trump will have to defend himself as Bernie attacks him.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

Bernie has given Hillary a free pass.....he won't do Trump the same favor.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
5. If it turns out to be Bernie attacking Trump
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

then I have to problem with it. I tend to doubt that's how it will go.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
9. Bernie has called Trump a pathological liar......
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

This is Bernie's opportunity to show everyone that HE is the person who can take down Trump.

It can go no other way.

Trump has been fooled by the generally hands-off approach that Democrats have taken with each other in the primary.
He imagines that facing Bernie will be child's play.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
127. Bernie is really good in the debates so far. I think the consensus is he beat Clinton in all of them
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

Hillary may have trouble debating Trump because they are friends.





And thats not all..



their daughters are literally best friends.


R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
19. You must be kidding. Bernie's campaign is embroiled in Hillary hate, from the top on down.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

He has to use Hillary to elevate himself because that is the crux of his message. Everything is rigged and corrupt, so Hillary is rigged and corrupt. That's how dedicated he is to NOT giving her a free pass.

Bernie would be lost without attacking Hillary. He's obsessed with it.

themaguffin

(3,805 posts)
23. Can you imagine the implosion of anger if Hillary debated Trump now? "oh she thinks the primary is..
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

...over" etc etc. This forum would have even more irrational hatred of her.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
92. Exactly! If Hillary had tried one iota of the campaign gimmicks Bernie has, there
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:48 AM
May 2016

would be riots. Now Bernie is suing California to allow more voters who would want to vote for him register past the May 23rd deadline. Can you imagine if Hillary expected an entire state to change rules so people could register past the deadline to vote for her?

IRRATIONAL hatred is the exactly correct word.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
26. Bullshit....If Bernie can take down Trump in a debate, he proves his General Election argument.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

You should come out of the Hillary bunker every once in a while and get some fresh air.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
61. Bullshit yourself. And go get some fresh air yourself. Bernie is nothing without
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

hating on Hillary. He is a broken record and says the same thing over and over. Everything is rigged and corrupt.

And bullshit on the "General Election argument." Bernie lost in the Washington primary last night where over 700,000 participated instead of the 26,000 in the caucus. The only "argument" left since he's losing in the delegate count and popular vote was that the super delegates would be badgered into supporting him in states he won by a large margin. But that's out the door, too, since Hillary won Washington.

Losing by every known metric does not make you a winner. It looks like you are the one spending too much time in the Bernie bunker.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
63. Watching Team Hillary freak out this morning has been fun.....
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

but not as fun as the upcoming debate.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
78. Your desperation is showing. But this is a perfect example of how little Bernie's campaign
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

has to offer. Anyone and everything that does not conform to Bernie coddling and adoration is belittled and called names. Bernie himself does nothing but attack others. It's pretty funny to watch the desperate measures Bernie takes to salvage his losing campaign.

I noticed you have no comment on Hillary beating Bernie in the Washington primary last night. Everything must stay focused on some last ditch hope you have to pull Bernie out of the loser column.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
81. Kicking Trump's ass on national Television is just good political strategy.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

As for Washington....I can't help it that Hillary supporters couldn't be bothered to show up when it actually counted.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
84. You started out saying Bernie gave Hillary a pass, which he didn't.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

He thrives on maligning her. That's his whole strategy. And he's still losing.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
88. by maligning her.....you mean telling the truth about her wrong decisions and policies?
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:40 AM
May 2016

That is the problem with Hillary's candidacy.......too many inconvenient truths.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
90. The problem with Bernie's candidacy is he's all talk. He couldn't or wouldn't name
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:45 AM
May 2016

one single Wall Street executive he would prosecute, but he calls them all frauds. He just likes his talking points. He just calls everything corrupt and rigged, and his adoring fans clap. He is not held accountable for anything he says. It's all applause lines.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
95. Calling people out would be a distraction. The problem is systemic.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

These firms don't face multi-billion dollar fines for the actions of one individual here or there.

His attorney general would get more specific.

Hillary thinks the solution is taking cash from Wall St.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
97. "Hillary thinks the solution is taking cash from Wall St."
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

More losing talking points. Sanders is not held accountable for his rhetoric. After campaigning for a year on Wall Street fraud, he can't name any of the actual fraudsters.

He hasn't said anything about an Attorney General getting more specific. The Wall Street collapse was eight (8) years ago.

All he has is applause lines mostly rooted in Hillary hate by claiming everything is rigged and corrupt, so Hillary is rigged and corrupt.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
113. The fact that you don't see the fact that Hillary took cash hand over fist as corruption....
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

that explains it all.

The corruption is hiding in plain sight.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
115. Ah, but that was another debate question Bernie whiffed. He was asked to identify a
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

single decision Hillary made that was influenced by her Wall Street speeches and he choked.

He had no answer to that. Proof it's all talking points.

He is not accountable for his rhetoric. They are just applause lines.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
120. Hillary is the first person to ever take huge amounts of cash from corporations.....
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

with no expectations from big business.



When they pay you in advance, how can you point to a decision that is influenced? The influence comes after she becomes President.



bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
108. Bull Shit ...hating on Bernie is what Clinton has been doing since day one.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

She is now watching what she says because she needs his supporters. She changes like the weather. Bernie is running for President and the Primary is still on. I hope he does debate the ass.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
112. omg, the denial. Bernie has gotten a cakewalk from everyone, including Hillary.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

Bernie attacks her constantly to make a name for himself, but she cannot respond because his supporters will have a cow. She said it on MTP and many others in the media have said it --no one has attacked Bernie. His supporters here have even complained how much he's been ignored by the press. You can't have it both ways.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
117. You are the ones (the HRC Group) who have been in denial repeatedly over and over
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:33 AM
May 2016

smacking down Bernie just like HRC has done over and over...You are the denial folks. Bernie has talked about her catering to Wall Street and big bucks she got from them. She owes them big time. He's talked about her bad judgement re: war, he has targeted the issues she has flipped flopped on. Those are primary based issues. I'm sick of the 180 degree turns on Bernie. She has constantly put him down and now is kissy kissy cuz she needs his supporters...where is that throw up icon

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
123. You can't have it both ways. There have been nonstop complaints about Bernie not
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

getting enough press coverage. That means he has gotten a cakewalk since no one has attacked him. It's obvious to everyone rational person that he has not been attacked. The GOP has left him alone because he's doing their job attacking Hillary.

He is not vetted. He sticks to his talking points, which is that everything is corrupt and rigged.

He was asked in a debate to name one policy that Hillary influenced as a result of her speeches, and he couldn't name one. It's all talking points.

And I've got some throw up icons right here. So sick of his phoniness!



PufPuf23

(8,687 posts)
50. One person's definition of "hate" is another person's revelation of facts and concerns.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton chose to run for POTUS on her record and her campaign tactics are those of a Republican.

Sanders himself has been low key and relatively respectful of Hillary Clinton, more than Clinton deserves imho.

I would be glad to see a Sanders - Trump debate happen in California before the primary here.

I would expect that Sanders would do an adroit take down of Trump in favor of the Democratic party (and nation) and Trump would not benefit from the many real and perceived negative actions of Clinton. I do not think Clinton would fare as well as Sanders in debate with Trump.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
71. Sanders is totally dedicated to Hillary hate. You are not kidding anyone. It's pretty
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

much all he has. His whole message is about a rigged system and everyone is corrupt. He has been extremely disrespectful to Clinton. His surrogates are nasty creeps about not only Clinton, but anyone who supports her and the Democratic party, as well. He channels his entire campaign through the lens of Hillary hate. It's completely irrational.

Sanders hasn't won a debate yet to the point that he is mocked because of his repetitiveness. Google Bernie Bingo. Someone posted that here last week. Sanders can't or won't deviate from those words: corporations, Wall Street, 1%, oligarchs, etc. He hasn't done it yet, and he isn't going to.

PufPuf23

(8,687 posts)
76. Odd that much of the pro-Sanders contingent at DU are the liberal anti-war boomers
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

who don't want the violence and greed associated with neo-liberals and neo-conservatives.

I am not so locked into Sanders but find his rejection of neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism refreshing and an unexpected choice.

There is plenty to mock about Hillary Clinton and other aspects not so funny.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
83. And here comes the name-calling and labeling as if to make yourself superior.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

Sanders is not anti-drone; he is not anti-war. He is not against advancing military weapons via the F-35 manufactured in his state. But it makes you feel superior to think otherwise, so who cares what fantasy world you live in. The rest of us live in the real world.

Sanders could not or would not name one single Wall Street executive he would prosecute, but he talks nonstop about their fraud. He couldn't get Single Payer passed in Vermont, yet he attacks others for something he, himself, failed at. Meh, too many of his phony talking points to list. It's boring at this point.



 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
6. Sanders has just legitimized tRump
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

that is not the character of a good leader. He is unfit to lead the Democratic party. Maybe it's time he changes again to another party of convenience.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
7. Are you saying that if Clinton is the nominee
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

...she shouldn't debate Trump because it "legitimizes" him?

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
10. First of all
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Hillary would never fn tweet to Donald J. Drumpf and agree to debate him on FAUX news before the primary process is completed. A real leader would never do this!

Second of all, Bernie is just nuts. Not fit to lead!

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
27. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

And now BERNIE will have the first GE debate with the GOP candidate.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
40. Like promising he wouldn't run a negative campaign?
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

and instead running on a "Hate" Hillary" campaign designed by Jeff Weaver

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
82. Talking about her Wall Street ties is negative? Every time I hear her supporters
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

complain you acknowledge that she's not a strong candidate.

Hillary is the nominee, but Bernie needs his message on as many outlets as possible.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
36. Bullshit. A "real leader" doesn't cower in silence
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

Princess Weathervane is the biggest fraud the Democratic Party have ever perpetrated on the electorate.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
49. If Sanders actually debates Trump, when he is not the nominee and won't be the nominee,
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

Sanders will embarrass the Democratic Party and himself...

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
33. Inane.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

The GOP primary voters legitimized Trump. A stupid thing for them to do (hey...they're Republicans), but that's all the legitimizing a candidate needs.

Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #6)

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
43. He legitimized Trump? What? He's the GOP nominee.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

He is legitimate. He's the Republican candidate.
Would you say the same if Hillary is the nominee and debates Trump in the GE?

Maybe it's time Hillary quits being a chicken.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
58. So Hillary will refuse to debate Trump if she captures the nomination because ....
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

that would legitimize Trump.

Right.

That makes perfect sense .... nonsense that is.

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
8. WTF?
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

Who does this? What in the high hell is Bernie thinking by doing this? He isn't even the nominee and he's going forward with a debate against the Republican before the process of primaries are even finished. And note Bernie tweeted he wanted it done BEFORE the California primary. What does he have to gain other than stroking his ego???

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
13. He is also giving Trump
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

airtime...not a team player...Bernie with 'friends' like him...who needs Republicans.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
14. It would let Sanders show his supporters
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

...his opposition to Trump.

Also, let Sanders spread his ideas (Single Payer, free tuition, etc.)

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
18. Bernie could show his opposition to Trump
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

by simply attacking him during his ego-driven rallies. Instead, he attacks the DNC and Hillary only. WTF is wrong with this old man and his faux revolution?

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
85. "ego-driven rallies" = more than 500 people in attendance, unlike Hillary rallies
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

Bernie has been attacking Trump in his stump speeches for months.

Say hi to David Brock for us.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
109. "ego-driven rallies"? By that logic, aren't all rallies ego driven?
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

"WTF is wrong with this old man and his faux revolution?" And now you're ageist?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. Hillary lied and reneged on her debate promise. Sanders has every right to debate whomever he wants.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

You give a Hillary a pass on her dishonesty, but have the nerve to attack Sanders. Pathetic.

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
41. Tell me....
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

what more could possibly be debated between Hillary and Bernie that we already don't know????

The two have had enough debates..between the TWO of them...not 16 or so side circus Republican dicks arguing who is the better dick.

Bernie is being blatantly disrespectful because he knows the DNC doesn't want to alienate his supporters.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
48. Hillary agreed to a debate. She reneged on that agreement. That is dishonesty.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

It doesn't matter whether there is more to learn from the debate (and I disagree, you can always take something away from a debate), a promise is a promise. Keeping promises, no matter how inconvenient, is a sign a character--something Hillary and her followers don't seem to understand.

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
60. Have we not had the opportunity to know what the two D's already stand for???
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

This is nonsense. This kind of thing where debates are cancelled happen all the time and we have had more debates and town halls than originally planned for anyway. Remember there were only a few debates scheduled then Bernie yelled and screamed and the DNC and Hillary agreed to more.
Nontheless, candidates with a lead often decide not to debate because they're protecting a lead. Granted, you can fault Hillary for that. But maybe Hillary decided not to debate on FAUX news because she'd be crazy to, where that station and Sanders would love to humiliate her.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
79. I have to say...
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

you're giving Brock his money's worth.

Bernie did not yell and scream. Hillary asked HIM for another debate, and he agreed on certain conditions. She said OK. Now she is reneging. Because her word means nothing.

Why are you soooo upset? Hillary doesn't want a debate, Hillary does not get a debate. If she wants one, she gets one.

Your poutrage and excuses are amusing.

:waaambulance:

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
86. Oh I must have missed those months and months and months
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

where Bernie and his supporters were deeply upset with Debbie WS and the DNC for scheduling so few debates and during time slots that were just unacceptable, I tell you! That must have been another universe I was living in. *eye roll*

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
69. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

You Bernsters have been whining since the beginning. The DNC and Hillary have given you babies concession after concession, given him 5 spots on the committee for the convention, and all Bernie does is sue, and complain, and bitch about the rules he agree to. The man (and his supporters) have gone full on mad.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
111. The person with 78 posts, who is trolling by the way, calling someone a troll is awesome
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

You can't even make this shit up

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
125. Trolling
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:09 PM
May 2016

is when you drop a drive by insult, which is what that other guy did and did not address a word I said. And now you are trolling me in this thread. Get a life.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
98. That's RICH! Hillary is the one being disrespectful to us, the Californian voters,
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

the biggest electoral state in the union, by not doing us the courtesy of a debate. And people are miffed about it. We do have issues that we'd like addressed too. How about the drought? Outrageous real estate? Worries about a future housing bubble/dot com bubble?

But you know what? Fine. Let's hear Bernie and Trump.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
96. exactly
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

SHE refused to debate. It's not his fault, Ms. "Anytime, Anywhere" can;t follow through.

I hope to the high heavens that this happens and that they DON'T allow Ms. Clinton into it.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
39. He gets the chance to show us all how he'd do against Trump in the GE.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

And I must say it was very gracious of Hillary to clear the field and give Bernie this opportunity.

tom-servo

(185 posts)
66. This will good for both democratic candidates...
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

... better for Bernie Sanders if it goes well, but pretty good for Hillary Clinton no matter which way it goes.

AirmensMom

(14,600 posts)
104. Ego?
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

Bernie's not the one with the oversized ego. He actually cares about what happens to this country. Go figure. Maybe Hillary should stick to her word and do the debates she agreed to do.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
11. Bernie and Trump together...
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Wow, that should impress Democrats in California (not)...but I doubt Bernie can afford it because he has no money for charity or anything else.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. While I never trust anything reported from usuncut...
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

This would be awesome. It would be a great starting place for Sanders to start making amends.

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
22. Perhaps
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

but I see the only person gaining from this is Trump. Trump will agree with Bernie on many issues, such as trade, and use the Bern's words to hit Hillary hard. Bernie won't see it coming and basically allow more Hillary bashing. Trump knows Bernie won't be the nominee and is only using him.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
21. DIRECTLY helping Trump attack the nominee.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

not just spewing the same lies about Hillary as Trump, but doing so from the same stage, as orchestrated by Team Trump?

Such a sore loser that he joins the General Election campaign of the other side?

IMO Bernie has joined in infamy Tom Cotton, who with 46 other Senate Rs sent a letter to the Iranian Parliament, trying to undermine US nuclear nonproliferation policy. Bernie may be so miffed at DWS and the DNC that he feels compelled to usurp their authority NOW, and not wait until July, consequences be damned. This egotistical opportunistic demagogue has just crossed an important red line from which he cannot return. Apparently, he cannot think even two steps ahead, let alone play the three-dimensional chess of a President Obama or a Hillary Rodham Clinton.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
73. Look to Hill Camp for your answers.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

She refused to debate. She folded. Only children think that if they quit no one else will play. Hill needs to take some responsibility here!

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
91. 1) you don't know that he'll attack Hillary in the debate, I think he'll focus on Trump.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

2) 3 dimensional chess like setting up an unencrypted email server in your basement in order to keep your emails off-book and hidden only to see them exposed by fucking GUCCIFER and having them made into a public spectacle anyway?

Hell my 3 year old would beat her at Go Fish.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
100. Your (2) has three errors of fact,
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

and your (1) is nonsense, IMO. During his whole "campaign", Bernie's main value has been as a vehicle for those who want to express Hillary-hate. Sanders is and has been mainly a cipher, a stand-in representing those against the Democratic Party "establishment", and those who can't wait until November to vote against HRC.

Trump and Sanders now are telling exactly the same lies about Hillary, echoing each other daily. Sanders apparently has defected to the Republican Party.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
93. "attack the nominee"? your getting a little ahead of yourself aren't you?
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

Don't bother answering that. it was rhetorical.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
107. Trump just reached the 1,237
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

R delegates needed to clinch the nomination this week, though he's been the presumptive R nominee for, what, a month now?

See http://politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker

Cruz could at least count, and conceded, unlike Bernie. Bernie still needs 844 of 921 remaining delegates to reach 2,383, while Hillary needs just 78. With proportional delegate allocations of a minimum of 15 percent, Hillary has been a shoo-in for months.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
116. From the outset, Trump dominated the primaries. HRC has lost a LOT and continues to.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

And her losses have all seemed to come in succession at a point where, if she were really the dominant presumptive nominee, she would just keep on winning without contest like Trump did. Instead, Bernie is winning with a lot of dominant numbers in states that democrats should and do win the GE. See the difference? Hillary has not been a shoo in for months. In fact, she has gotten weaker the more people get to know her.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
94. Hey, you forgot the sarcasm thingee. Unless you really meant what you posted.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

Hard to believe but you did point out it was your opinion. Well, everybody has one.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
114. You may need the classic comic abridgment
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

of what I said. pdsimdars provided it in post#29 below: your guy has "jumped the shark"!

asjr

(10,479 posts)
38. If I were Hillary I would refuse to debate. We have been watching a
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

carnival for a long time and we do not need side shows. If Bernie wants to debate the Trumpet that's fine but I just can't imagine what would be said. We have become a third world country and a laughing stock so maybe they can just utter dirty words to each other.

Response to asjr (Reply #38)

Response to asuhornets (Reply #47)

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
59. Trump don't care about issues or policies, like Sanders does. Trump can't be embarrass.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:05 AM
May 2016

He has no shame. Trump will say all these nasty things about Sanders, then tell him he should run as an Independent.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
64. Given Bernie's wooden, robotic, one-note
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

repertoire, and the one-liners Trump's Hollywood writers will provide, the whole thing will be a big joke at Bernie's expense, as well as Hillary's. A Trump GE campaign event, withe Senator BS as straight-man.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
55. This is like Cruze challenging Hillary to a debate.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

Let's get all the second place finishers involved.

woodsprite

(11,853 posts)
57. If it happens, that would be great!
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:01 AM
May 2016

BUT, I hope whomever the moderator(s) are, that they have a kill switch on Trump's mic. Unless they do something like that, I can't see Trump letting Bernie or anybody getting a word in edgewise.

I just thought of something -- whenever there is a debate, they should make the politicians stand in individual"sound proof booths". Then they can continue to bloviate as much as they want on their question, but their mic cuts off after the alotted time so the audience can hear the next person.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
68. Bernie has nothing to lose. He will have to face the Donald in the GE.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

This will be good practice.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
75. I'd say that if Sanders does this, he's cut out of the convention entirely
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

There's a line between staying in a race even though it is no longer competitive and actually undercutting the party you were allegedly seeking the nomination of. This is crossing that.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
80. Precisely--Bernie would be joining
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

the Trump General Election campaign against HRC: "Hillary-haters of the world, unite!"

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
89. Trump is now claiming to be kidding about a debate.....
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

Apparently, Trump's campaign never asked Bernie to debate, it was just Trump answering Kimmel if he would consider doing it, to which he said yes,


and the sad little man Bernie jumped on it and agreed to debate Trump via fucking twitter. Not fit to lead!

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
119. So SBS TRIED to defect to Trump,
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

and Trump would not ACCEPT him?

Egotistical opportunist Bernie has just demonstrated exactly how pitifully irrelevant he has become.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
99. The only way in which this will be a good idea
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

is if Bernie goes there as a Hillary surrogate, and since he's constantly attacking her, that does not seem likely. She will be the nominee, not Bernie. There is no reason anymore for anyone (whether Hillary or Trumo) to debate Bernie, just as there is no reason to debate Ted Cruz.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
129. She won WA primary and was endorsed by the Auto Workers Union
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

Even her "Bad Days" are better than Sanders "Good Days"

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
105. I Would Have Thought
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:14 AM
May 2016

that supporters of HRC would be good with this. Bernie will hand Drumpf his orange, vacuous ass on national TV and bloody him good heading into the GE for HRC. He'll hand her a dumbass who's been pummeled publicly on a platter. Not to mention, HRC came off as a combo of arrogant/cowardly/distrustful when she broke her word on debating SBS in California. That will largely be forgotten when this debate happens.

Drumpf will go after HRC in this debate and SBS will defend her and kick Drumpf in the neck 876 times. I would think that would be good news to HRC supporters, which I will be if/when she's the nominee.

I'm surprised to see the opposite. That's disappointing. At the end of the day/primary, we're all on the same team. This is a good thing for the folks who don't want an insane idiot in the WH.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
110. Clinton supporters complained for months that Sanders doesn't spend enough time attacking Trump.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

Here it is and now they're complaining that he is.

This is the debate that the people want to see. I doubt that the name Clinton gets mentioned by Sanders at all.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
131. They act just like the GOP acts to Obama, whatever he does it is wrong. They have become
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

Republican in the deepest sense.

brooklynite

(93,846 posts)
118. NOPE! Just a joke. Sorry...
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/05/26/report-trump-was-joking-about-debating-bernie.html

Donald Trump was only kidding about debating Bernie Sanders, sources told CBS News. The GOP presidential candidate was asked by Jimmy Kimmel if he would consider a debate with the Vermont socialist. “If he paid a sum toward charity, I would love to do that,” Trump said, adding the event “would have such high ratings.” Sanders responded quickly in a late-night tweet: “Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary.” Turns out, it was all a joke.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
121. Cross party debates in the primary are a great way to see how candidates would do in the general
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

Election. I bet Bernie does extremely well against Trump and then Hillary decides she wants one too and schedules it for after Bernie's. In the end Bernie will do the damage to Trump and in typical HRC style she'll sweep in and take the credit for the damage.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
128. Could DWS try and stop this
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

Because it isn't a DNC "sanctioned" debate?

Though it might not make a difference since it looks like Drumpf may be backing out now.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
130. Hillary is invited to participate, is she not?
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

This is the same debate that she declined to be a part of, right? Presumably she could decide to be part of it after all.

I think either by law or just as a matter of policy, networks usually invite all candidates of both major parties to debates, especially once one side has a nominee, so they can't be accused of giving more air time to one side. In 2004, I remember that at the beginning of several Democratic debates, the moderator made a point of telling us that they had also invited George W. Bush, but that he had declined.

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