Thu May 26, 2016, 08:08 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
Maddow's shameful lies last night
Rachel gleefully presented a giant stack of paper with a flourish, to demonstrate how hard it would have been to comply with the Department of State "Print and File" rule for e-mail retention.
She failed to mention one little detail. That rule only applies to the rare cases when a Department employee is forced to use a private e-mail channel. It was intended to discourage the use of private e-mail. Had Hillary used the normal government e-mail system, she would not have been bound by the print and file rule. In a sense, it doesn't matter, because she flouted both rules, and numerous others anyway.
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lagomorph777 | May 2016 | OP |
YouDig | May 2016 | #1 | |
cali | May 2016 | #3 | |
YouDig | May 2016 | #7 | |
realmirage | May 2016 | #106 | |
jzodda | May 2016 | #111 | |
roguevalley | May 2016 | #123 | |
merrily | May 2016 | #25 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #28 | |
merrily | May 2016 | #95 | |
cali | May 2016 | #43 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #9 | |
YouDig | May 2016 | #13 | |
w4rma | May 2016 | #131 | |
Hoyt | May 2016 | #10 | |
mac56 | May 2016 | #84 | |
lumberjack_jeff | May 2016 | #97 | |
Carni | May 2016 | #112 | |
YouDig | May 2016 | #113 | |
Carni | May 2016 | #116 | |
Sheepshank | May 2016 | #121 | |
AgingAmerican | May 2016 | #114 | |
Buddyblazon | May 2016 | #120 | |
w4rma | May 2016 | #130 | |
Trust Buster | May 2016 | #2 | |
workinclasszero | May 2016 | #4 | |
Surya Gayatri | May 2016 | #87 | |
cali | May 2016 | #5 | |
Demsrule86 | May 2016 | #18 | |
cali | May 2016 | #34 | |
CorkySt.Clair | May 2016 | #60 | |
cali | May 2016 | #68 | |
Duval | May 2016 | #104 | |
rhett o rick | May 2016 | #133 | |
CherokeeDem | May 2016 | #58 | |
inchhigh | May 2016 | #66 | |
barbtries | May 2016 | #99 | |
YouDig | May 2016 | #6 | |
nc4bo | May 2016 | #8 | |
JackRiddler | May 2016 | #44 | |
JohnnyRingo | May 2016 | #103 | |
2banon | May 2016 | #118 | |
JohnnyRingo | May 2016 | #134 | |
2banon | May 2016 | #138 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #119 | |
rhett o rick | May 2016 | #132 | |
sufrommich | May 2016 | #11 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #12 | |
Demsrule86 | May 2016 | #19 | |
JohnnyRingo | May 2016 | #135 | |
reddread | May 2016 | #14 | |
mountain grammy | May 2016 | #23 | |
Trust Buster | May 2016 | #36 | |
JackRiddler | May 2016 | #47 | |
uponit7771 | May 2016 | #79 | |
JoePhilly | May 2016 | #91 | |
Sheepshank | May 2016 | #122 | |
Demsrule86 | May 2016 | #15 | |
pinebox | May 2016 | #38 | |
Alex4Martinez | May 2016 | #46 | |
angrychair | May 2016 | #41 | |
stillwaiting | May 2016 | #16 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #20 | |
Demsrule86 | May 2016 | #24 | |
peace13 | May 2016 | #59 | |
Fawke Em | May 2016 | #73 | |
progressoid | May 2016 | #124 | |
NorthCarolina | May 2016 | #74 | |
valerief | May 2016 | #94 | |
reformist2 | May 2016 | #140 | |
Enthusiast | May 2016 | #144 | |
upaloopa | May 2016 | #17 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #22 | |
Demsrule86 | May 2016 | #27 | |
cali | May 2016 | #37 | |
JackRiddler | May 2016 | #48 | |
Lizzie Poppet | May 2016 | #52 | |
Thinkingabout | May 2016 | #21 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #26 | |
Thinkingabout | May 2016 | #31 | |
randome | May 2016 | #33 | |
Thinkingabout | May 2016 | #39 | |
DrDan | May 2016 | #29 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #32 | |
DrDan | May 2016 | #83 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #107 | |
DrDan | May 2016 | #108 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #109 | |
NCTraveler | May 2016 | #30 | |
eggman67 | May 2016 | #35 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #40 | |
onecaliberal | May 2016 | #45 | |
MisterP | May 2016 | #49 | |
vintx | May 2016 | #86 | |
eggman67 | May 2016 | #100 | |
tazkcmo | May 2016 | #42 | |
Trajan | May 2016 | #53 | |
Dem2 | May 2016 | #50 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #54 | |
Dem2 | May 2016 | #56 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #61 | |
Dem2 | May 2016 | #90 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #51 | |
Lizzie Poppet | May 2016 | #55 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #71 | |
CrispyQ | May 2016 | #57 | |
peace13 | May 2016 | #65 | |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #62 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #63 | |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #64 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #69 | |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #77 | |
gordianot | May 2016 | #67 | |
GreenPartyVoter | May 2016 | #75 | |
Cobalt Violet | May 2016 | #70 | |
Baitball Blogger | May 2016 | #72 | |
Lil Missy | May 2016 | #76 | |
2cannan | May 2016 | #78 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #80 | |
Silver_Witch | May 2016 | #81 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2016 | #82 | |
dana_b | May 2016 | #85 | |
The_Casual_Observer | May 2016 | #88 | |
corkhead | May 2016 | #89 | |
JEB | May 2016 | #92 | |
Cheese Sandwich | May 2016 | #93 | |
Skwmom | May 2016 | #96 | |
B Calm | May 2016 | #98 | |
Gothmog | May 2016 | #101 | |
MariaThinks | May 2016 | #102 | |
cpwm17 | May 2016 | #125 | |
deathrind | May 2016 | #105 | |
jillan | May 2016 | #110 | |
EndElectoral | May 2016 | #115 | |
d_legendary1 | May 2016 | #117 | |
left-of-center2012 | May 2016 | #126 | |
Press Virginia | May 2016 | #127 | |
Art_from_Ark | May 2016 | #136 | |
Press Virginia | May 2016 | #137 | |
MFM008 | May 2016 | #128 | |
DebbieCDC | May 2016 | #129 | |
grasswire | May 2016 | #139 | |
Sky Masterson | May 2016 | #142 | |
hopemountain | May 2016 | #141 | |
Enthusiast | May 2016 | #143 |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:09 AM
YouDig (2,280 posts)
1. Berners just love dumb beaurocratic rules and red tape, don't they? Almost like a fetish.
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:10 AM
cali (114,904 posts)
3. Wow. Of all the lame hilly fan posts defending your dear leader, this is the weakest.
Response to cali (Reply #3)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:11 AM
YouDig (2,280 posts)
7. She didn't file her TPS reports. Outrage!
Response to YouDig (Reply #7)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:15 AM
realmirage (2,117 posts)
106. Didn't you get that memo?
Response to YouDig (Reply #7)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:33 AM
jzodda (2,124 posts)
111. TPS haha!
and somebody stole Bernie supporters staplers!
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Response to jzodda (Reply #111)
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:24 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
123. I can't stand the enabling. it will be sweet when the fbi is done.
Spin that.
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Response to cali (Reply #3)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
25. Jury voted to leave.
On Thu May 26, 2016, 09:13 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Wow. Of all the lame hilly fan posts defending your dear leader, this is the weakest. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2056469 REASON FOR ALERT This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. ALERTER'S COMMENTS dear leader is a reference to the dictator of North Korea. Comparing Democrats in such a light is not only disrespectful but smacks of republican tactics. You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 26, 2016, 09:18 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT. Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Borderline but not quite hideable Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: If the post to which this one is a response stays, then this one must stay. Else, hide them both. Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: No explanation given Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: No explanation given Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Cali is mocking a poster's devotion to Hillary, not equating Hillary with the leader of North Korea--and Cali is no Republican. (Stop that, alerter.) Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Poster was responding to a trollish post. Unsavory, but not hide worthy. Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT Explanation: No explanation given |
Response to merrily (Reply #25)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:21 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
28. Oh, we're back to the alert wars?
disgusting.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #28)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:30 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
95. When did they stop?
Response to merrily (Reply #25)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:32 AM
cali (114,904 posts)
43. What??? North Korea? Lol
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:12 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
9. Wow, "red-tape" "bureaucratic rules"...to protect the lives of American agents
Those phrases sound remarkably...RW.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #9)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:14 AM
YouDig (2,280 posts)
13. No American agents' lives were put at risk because she didn't file her TPS reports.
Attacking Hillary over some bureaucratic rules that the previous two SoSes didn't follow to a T either is immensely right-wing.
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Response to YouDig (Reply #13)
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:34 PM
w4rma (31,700 posts)
131. Newsweek: Hillary Clinton and Her Staff may have Compromised Counterterrorism Ops with 'Sloppy' Com.
EXCLUSIVE: HILLARY CLINTON AND HER STAFF MAY HAVE COMPROMISED COUNTERTERRORISM OPS WITH ‘SLOPPY’ COMMUNICATIONS
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-terrorism-sloppy-communications-463605 |
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:12 AM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
10. Exactly. Sounds like the policies -- not law -- were burdensome. My company has policies I work
around all the time to get things done. In fact, most policies are just to cover someone's rear if something happens. For all we know, if Clinton had followed the burdensome policies, her emails might have gotten in the wrong hands.
This whole issue is -- should be -- dead to everyone but the "Berners." |
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:32 AM
lumberjack_jeff (33,224 posts)
97. You do know that she's asking to run this bureaucracy, right?
Trump vs Clinton = "fuck the laws"
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Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:12 PM
Carni (7,280 posts)
112. I thought you people said
We were all "kids" incapable of comprehending voting rules, or finding our way to the polls?
Now *berners* love rules to the point of fetish? I guess the Brock people came out with a new talking point. Good to know. |
Response to Carni (Reply #112)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:14 PM
YouDig (2,280 posts)
113. Good point. Berners care about irrelevant red tape, but when it comes to an election,
they want to break all the rules in order to get their candidate more delegates even when he got less votes. Weird.
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Response to YouDig (Reply #113)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:20 PM
Carni (7,280 posts)
116. On a thread defending Hillary's "rule breaking"
That's rich...
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Response to YouDig (Reply #113)
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:15 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
121. well...succinct and pointed. Good job! n/t
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:16 PM
AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)
114. Yeah! Those stupid laws and rules and regulations, who needs em!
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:05 PM
Buddyblazon (3,014 posts)
120. Hey look...
It's the brand new poster spitting venom again.
Color me surprised....ya dig? |
Response to YouDig (Reply #1)
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:31 PM
w4rma (31,700 posts)
130. Rules "don't apply" to royalty, do they? (nt)
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:09 AM
Trust Buster (7,299 posts)
2. Rachel Maddow is the sharpest researcher on television, hands down.
Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:10 AM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
4. Gotta love Rachel!
Response to workinclasszero (Reply #4)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:26 AM
Surya Gayatri (15,445 posts)
87. And, last night she was especially brilliant (not to mention LOL funny).
The "History and Evolution of the Government Floppy Disk" was a keeper.
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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:11 AM
cali (114,904 posts)
5. I watched her once many years ago. I was not impressed.
Response to cali (Reply #5)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:17 AM
Demsrule86 (65,378 posts)
18. Well you like Bernie so...
just saying.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:25 AM
cali (114,904 posts)
34. Why yes, I like my Senator. Along with 85% of the voters in my state
Care to explain the correlation between my not having been impressed by Maddow and my liking Bernie?
I realize you aren't exactly adept at expressing yourself, but do give it a shot. |
Response to cali (Reply #34)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:52 AM
CorkySt.Clair (1,507 posts)
60. Apparently a lot of Sanders supporters believe she's in the tank for Hilly
This was covered during your latest "vacation".
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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #60)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:59 AM
cali (114,904 posts)
68. I don't watch her so I couldn't tell you.
Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #60)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:03 AM
Duval (4,280 posts)
104. Holy smokes.
MSNBC has been all about either Trump or Hillary! And Maddow and Matthews have definitely been pro Hillary. We stopped listening to her months ago.
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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #60)
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:23 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
133. I was a big fan for years while she was on the radio. She was progressive. Then she moved to
the Corp-Media and I was worried. All good progressives are quickly banned from Corp-Media. She sold her soul for $7 million per year.
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Response to cali (Reply #5)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:51 AM
CherokeeDem (3,698 posts)
58. Doubt if she'd be impressed...
with some of the people on this board either.
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Response to cali (Reply #5)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:57 AM
inchhigh (384 posts)
66. Her show and Talking Points Memo
used to be my go-to sources for information. Now I just plain don't trust either of those two because they are so obviously in the tank for Hill. I don't consider them "news" anymore.
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Response to inchhigh (Reply #66)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:49 AM
barbtries (27,092 posts)
99. i'm with you
hardly anywhere anymore
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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:11 AM
YouDig (2,280 posts)
6. This. Smartest person on TV, and one of the smartest pundits anywhere.
Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:11 AM
nc4bo (17,651 posts)
8. Yep.
Sharpest when she's not shilling but now she's been in full shill mode......has been for quite a while.
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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:33 AM
JackRiddler (24,979 posts)
44. Well that would make her incapable of lying, right?
No smart person ever did, for any reason!
It's a totally relevant answer to the OP, right? Not just a blind authoritarian appeal for patsies, right? Ooga-ooga, Rachel Smart! Me believe Smart Rachel! Right? |
Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:02 AM
JohnnyRingo (17,598 posts)
103. It's the only news show I watch these days.
and it nothing to do with Hillary or Bernie.
I love how she starts the show with a story that seems to make little sense but winds her way to the main event. Well written and masterfully presented. It's sad she walks so close to the Bernie Bus route and frequently gets thrown beneath the wheels. |
Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #103)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:49 PM
2banon (7,321 posts)
118. I never cared for that format/approach she presented
Back in the day, when I had cable I enjoyed her appearances on Keith Olbermann, couldn't wait until she had a show.
But she quickly established a format which didn't gel with what I expected, the friday cocktail schtick, she obviously thought was cute and funny was lame to me. Her Republican guests were soft balled I didn't much appreciate.. begging they accept her invitations. I think she's very intelligent, I did enjoy her participation on MTP a couple of occasions I had seen her on, back during Dubya's term. It's not as if she's lacking in skill set and acumen as political commentator. Unfortunately, she's no journalist, but that's no longer a requirement these days. Now the few times I watch her are in short clips underscoring the point being made in an op. Our biases are in conflict with the other which makes it quite difficult to listen to her anymore, as she's obviously throwing away a great deal of credibility for her candidate at any cost. That's sad. |
Response to 2banon (Reply #118)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:28 PM
JohnnyRingo (17,598 posts)
134. I didn't know she had a candidate...
...but putting that preconception aside, I really don't want to watch a reverse carbon copy of Shawn Hannity's show where the host belittles everyone who doesn't steer the show to an idealistic goal. That's the kind of screamfest that Jon Stewart railed against.
I want to hear what a guest has to say and let it get sorted out later. Certainly an interviewer can ask follow up questions, but many want to see the host pound the desk and call the guest a fucking liar. I actually enjoyed "Uncle Pat's" visits before he got banned from MSNBC. |
Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #134)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:16 PM
2banon (7,321 posts)
138. Same here, it's totally why I'm not a regular listener of Amy Goodman anymore, in fact not for years
just as one example.
I totally, totally agree with you. I don't want a"counter" to Shawn Hannity types. I would rather a counter to the Wolf Blitzer types. I want a straight up journalist with a show, not from the left pov or the right pov or even the CENTER pov No sensationalism, no missing the point of the matter at hand. Apparently that's just too hard But wouldn't it be refreshing for a change? There was this one guy on MSNBC for a very short run, and I can't for the life of me remember his name, but he had a show in the period during the crash and Obama's inauguration. I think his last name started with a D. ![]() His beat was Wall Street, The Crash and how that impacted Main Street. He was awesome. He reported and interviewed with a manner that was hard, straight up to the point with meaningful follow ups.. Then one day he was just disappeared from the network. No explanation. *poof* After that I cut the cord. PBS Snooze Hour is about as soft ball as I can handle without screaming at the tv, and still do that sometimes, LOL. |
Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:50 PM
Gothmog (124,692 posts)
119. Rachel did a great job on this issue last night
Response to Trust Buster (Reply #2)
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:21 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
132. Too bad she sold her soul for gold like others we know.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:13 AM
sufrommich (22,871 posts)
11. The sheer number of good liberals who have been attacked
and vilified by Bernie supporters is astounding and putrid.
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:14 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
12. Good liberals do not tell massive lies.
Maddow lied.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #12)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:18 AM
Demsrule86 (65,378 posts)
19. She told the truth
and it is not good for Berners.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:34 PM
JohnnyRingo (17,598 posts)
135. Isn't it amazing...
...how everyone who doesn't join Team Bernie on TV is suddenly owned by their corporate overlords?
Considering that literally no one takes the position that Sanders is neck & neck with Hillary I have to wonder why Bernie supporters even have cable TV. It has to seem odd that the only "unbiased news" is on The Young Turks. I saw a post yesterday that said DU has been taken over by the oligarchs. It is indeed amazing. |
Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:15 AM
reddread (6,896 posts)
14. pales next to the number of hacks exposed for what they are
in the credibility vortex.
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
mountain grammy (25,139 posts)
23. the sheer number of good liberals who have been attacked, vilified
and marginalized by the DNC selection process is astounding and putrid.
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Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:26 AM
Trust Buster (7,299 posts)
36. I agree. If a media personality says anything that a Sanders supporter doesn't agree with, then
they immediately go into hate mode. I don't like people that do that. The intolerance is as bad as anything I've observed on the Right. Kind of scary actually.
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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #36)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:35 AM
JackRiddler (24,979 posts)
47. Only media personalities are good liberals.
Nurses, activists, union organizers, intellectuals, Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard - whatever. Who are they? Do they play a liberal on TV?
I want to know what the SMART woman who makes $7 million a year (or whatever) on the Comcast-NBC channel thinks. Anyone who criticizes her hates good liberals! |
Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:44 AM
JoePhilly (27,787 posts)
91. And they replaced them all with Joe Scabb.
Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:17 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
122. When I think of Goodall, Lewis etc, their obvious unfounded, misdirected hatred is quite putrid.
I wish they would grow the hell up.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:16 AM
Demsrule86 (65,378 posts)
15. Every word was true
And Powell who used commercial email...has never turned his emails over and won't. I was not surprised to learn that Kerry and Rice had used private email also.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:26 AM
pinebox (5,761 posts)
38. Nobody else had a server in their house
This was a very bad decision on Hillary's part. She risked the security of the country. The others weren't the smartest either but none of them are running for POTUS
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Response to pinebox (Reply #38)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:33 AM
Alex4Martinez (1,987 posts)
46. Same old distraction, ignore the server being at home in a closet, claim others did it.
Hillary herself was doing that, over and over, changing the subject away from the server and using the term "personal email" as if it was the same thing.
No, Hillary. Three things she did wrong, and the second two were NOT done by others before you or since: 1. Used personal email for state business. 2. Ran personal email through their own domain: clintonemial.com 3. Ran that email and domain on hardware housed in her personal residence. She had total control over everything and then decided herself what to save and what to delete before scrubbing the hard drives and then sending the drives out to a professional drive-destroyer. It's like she was her own country. |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:31 AM
angrychair (7,481 posts)
41. Your statement is misleading
Their use, per the IG report, was minor, not normal practice. Clinton had her own private email server (not the same as a commercial email account) that she conducted almost all of her Dept of State business l, as well as Clinton Foundation business, as well as personal business.
In no part of the private or public sector is an employee allowed to subvert IT security and record retention policies because they don't like them. Why is she special? Why is the stand of conduct being reduced to the lowest common denominator? Just because "everyone else" is speeding doesn't mean you should not get a ticket for speeding if you get stopped by a cop. Real life soesnt work that way. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:16 AM
stillwaiting (3,795 posts)
16. Truly shocking the gargantuan fall in integrity Maddow has suffered this primary.
She honestly seems like a completely different person. I used to admire her so much.
Damn shame. |
Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:18 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
20. Me too.
I still tune in out of habit sometimes, but now it's more like watching Fox to keep an eye on the right wing.
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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
Demsrule86 (65,378 posts)
24. Everyone who dislikes
Bernie has no integrity according to you all...you know who I think has no integrity ...Bernie Sanders.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:52 AM
peace13 (11,076 posts)
59. Please do tell of his lack of integrity.....
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:10 AM
Fawke Em (11,366 posts)
73. You should get rid of your sig line.
I don't believe I've ever seen you say anything that comes close to "love and kindness."
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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #73)
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:23 PM
progressoid (47,720 posts)
124. Or at least put a sarcasm smiley behind it.
Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:12 AM
NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)
74. Perhaps she just really, really likes her job and desires to keep it. -nt-
Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:22 AM
valerief (53,235 posts)
94. Amazing what money can buy, huh? nt
Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:37 AM
reformist2 (9,841 posts)
140. She threw her journalistic integrity out the window.
Response to stillwaiting (Reply #16)
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:58 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
144. I feel the same.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:17 AM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
17. Nobody gives a shit about it except Bernie folks
Bernie lost the primary. At some point you will have to admit it:
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #17)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
22. Ah, you have so little faith in the voters of CA, MT, NJ, SD, ND, and DC
But like a true Republican, you can easily dismiss millions of voters.
Not so fast. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #22)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:20 AM
Demsrule86 (65,378 posts)
27. Bernie is the one trying to dismiss the votes
and his votes are in caucus states mostly! We saw when Washington voted how many votes Brnie would get if everyone was allowed to vote in a primary.
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #17)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:26 AM
cali (114,904 posts)
37. It is the top news story.
Response to upaloopa (Reply #17)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:36 AM
JackRiddler (24,979 posts)
48. Speaking of denial!
Bernie folks probably give less of a shit about it than most demographics. Bernie could have been attacking on this point for months now and hasn't. The media and political class going nuts about this (some with reason, some less so) are 95% not for Bernie. The one who will use it the most - Trump - is not "Bernie folks." Wise up.
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #17)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:48 AM
Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)
52. And only Camp Weathervane gives a shit about that sellout Maddow.
But please feel free to think only Bernie supporters care about Hillary's incompetence and shit-tier decision making. Your tears in November will be delicious.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
21. As Bernie said nobody cares about the damn emails.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #21)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:20 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
26. Bernie is magnanimous.
And he's no fool. He doesn't need to publicize what the investigators are publicizing for him.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #26)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:23 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
31. The shameful lies, Rachal under the bus, she has destroyed the CT.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #31)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:25 AM
randome (34,845 posts)
33. Don't worry, there will be another one soon to take its place.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
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Response to randome (Reply #33)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:27 AM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
39. Yes, we know CT's has a purpose, makes the truth really welcome.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:22 AM
DrDan (20,411 posts)
29. so what was the lie?
simply omitting something you wanted said does not make a comment a lie.
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Response to DrDan (Reply #29)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:25 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
32. No, not merely a lie of omission (still a lie) but a lie of comission.
She said that policy required print and file for all emails. False. Policy required print and file for all government emails through private servers.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #32)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:21 AM
DrDan (20,411 posts)
83. I still do not see a lie in the OP
What did she say exactly that was a lie
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Response to DrDan (Reply #83)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:18 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
107. Then your shell of denial is too thick to penetrate
I won't waste more time on you.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #107)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:24 AM
DrDan (20,411 posts)
108. look - I tried to be respectful - no personal insults
anyway . . .
I have since watched the video. She quotes the report directly and seems to base her comments on what is written there. I have not read it - are there more comments that show she actually lied last night? |
Response to DrDan (Reply #108)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:25 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
109. OK, please read this
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:23 AM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
30. Sanders supporters have quickly become Clintons best asset in the primary.
They are relentlessly attacking all things left. It is why we are seeing story after story about Sanders supporters coming back home to Clinton. His supporters attacks on all things progressive looks really bad to those who truly do support a progressive agenda.
Keep up the good work. It's not costing Clinton a dime. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:25 AM
eggman67 (837 posts)
35. And completely ignoring the fact
that State implemented the SMART & Capstone systems to provide an electronic alternative to print & file.
Quote from the OIG report (Emphasis mine): At the Department, compliance with this regulation and preservation of emails that constitute Federal records can be accomplished in one of three ways: print and file; incorporation into the State Messaging and Archive Retrieval Toolset (SMART); or the use of the NARA-approved Capstone program for capturing the emails of designated senior officials. |
Response to eggman67 (Reply #35)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:28 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
40. You are the eggman!
thanks for the specifics on this "red tape."
![]() Hiding from FOIA while exposing our secrets to enemy eyes is hardly a "bureaucratic" detail. It's a big f-ing dealbreaker. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #40)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:33 AM
onecaliberal (28,864 posts)
45. Exactly.
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #40)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:43 AM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
49. FOIA is to make sure that all government records are public property
she stole knowldge from us like some crappy reverse Eve
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Response to MisterP (Reply #49)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 AM
vintx (1,748 posts)
86. And her fans here are oblivious to the fact that although Bernie has been nice
and played ball by not using this as a bludgeon, the GOP will have no qualms about making damn sure everyone knows exactly what madam 'it's my turn' was up to.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #40)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:54 AM
eggman67 (837 posts)
100. Goo goo g'joob ;) n/t
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:32 AM
tazkcmo (7,089 posts)
42. Doesn't matter.
Just like the "Nobody cares" or "No laws were broken" claims by her supporters. Clearly one was broken (gross negligence) but it doesn't matter because Sec Clinton, as a "leader", is not responsible. Ever,. For anything.
All negative stories about her are the RW's or Sanders' supporters fault. Criticism of her policy positions are misogyny. Policy shifts on her positions are "evolution" not pandering. Losing to Trump will be Sanders' supporters fault and not because she's a poor candidate. Other leaders are accountable not only for their own actions but for their subordinates actions but Sec Clinton? No. She's a victim. |
Response to tazkcmo (Reply #42)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:48 AM
Trajan (19,089 posts)
53. I blocked two 'Nobody Cares' posters yesterday
The semi-organization is impressive ....
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:44 AM
Dem2 (8,164 posts)
50. Nice!
She shredded your little Happy Fest and I think it's hilarious.
Good work as usual, Rachel! |
Response to Dem2 (Reply #50)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:49 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
54. Impenetrable wall of denial; fact-free zone
That's only going to make your defeat all the more painful.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #54)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:51 AM
Dem2 (8,164 posts)
56. It's nice to see people who I don't actually know much about rooting for our side to lose
Keep up the good work 😎
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Response to Dem2 (Reply #56)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:53 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
61. I am rooting for a Democrat to win
which unfortunately means rooting for Hillary to lose. She has no chance in the GE. Do you care about that?
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #61)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:43 AM
Dem2 (8,164 posts)
90. Logical fallacies are b*******
Nobody can make arguments about things they don't know are going to happen in the future. If you do you are making s*** up which is b*******.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:46 AM
Gothmog (124,692 posts)
51. I am amused that the Sanders people are throwing Rachel Maddow under the bus
Thank you for the laughs
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #51)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:49 AM
Lizzie Poppet (10,164 posts)
55. Okay, got it: you approve of lying sellouts.
Given your choice of candidate, I can't say that's a surprise.
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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #55)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:05 AM
Gothmog (124,692 posts)
71. I stand with Rachel Maddow
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:51 AM
CrispyQ (33,526 posts)
57. She's been sitting next to Brian Williams too long.
What a disappointment she is.
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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #57)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:56 AM
peace13 (11,076 posts)
65. And seriously...look at him.
He lied his @ss off and now he sits pretty like nothing happened. Notice how even the news readers are tightly controlled and in the system's eyes someone who lies but can be manipulated is better than a person with integrity and is hard to control.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:54 AM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
62. Try not to hurt yourselves with sll this outrage.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #62)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:55 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
63. My outrage isn't hurting anybody.
Outrage among all the other voters certainly is going to.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #63)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:56 AM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
64. Don't you worry.
Hillary will prevail.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #64)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:59 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
69. Not in the GE.
But presumably the bonuses are paid upon nomination, so it's all good.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #69)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:17 AM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
77. Too bad your candidate didn't have the depth of support you wish he had.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:58 AM
gordianot (14,970 posts)
67. Maddow will be a lot of fun to watch as she eats her crow.
The shills are selectively and rapidly starting to jump ship, Maddow will be delicious when she puts on her serious face. Oh the drama without Obama.
Keep up this is happening quickly. |
Response to gordianot (Reply #67)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:12 AM
GreenPartyVoter (71,349 posts)
75. I often wonder how she would report on a Bernie GE run.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:00 AM
Cobalt Violet (9,849 posts)
70. I haven't been able to watch her for months.
She use to be one of my favorites too. I really disgusted by how much of hack she is this election. Not sure I can ever go back to watching her again. Well maybe if Hillary loses the election I can watch her just to see how she handles that.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:08 AM
Baitball Blogger (44,836 posts)
72. Stick a fork in it, Maddow is done.
Looking forward to the return of Keith Olbermann.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:13 AM
Lil Missy (17,865 posts)
76. I'll stick with Maddow and her well-researched opinions. n/t
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:18 AM
2cannan (344 posts)
78. What was really funny was how Lawrence O'Donnell debunked
what Rachel did/said during his program! She really needs to get her story straight with her co-workers so she doesn't look so foolish!
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Response to 2cannan (Reply #78)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:18 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
80. I did notice that.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:18 AM
Silver_Witch (1,820 posts)
81. But Hillary shouldn't have to follow the rules!
It was too hard and super inconvenient for her to not use her blackberry. And plus other people weren't following the rules so why should she. Rules are super hard to follow and she is exempt from rules cause SHE IS!
So stop all this whinning and move onto so e cool stuff....lime she just released thirty really groovy songs on a play list and President Bill Clinton is going to be Czar of something. So sort of like wow two for one!!!! |
Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #81)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:20 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
82. It's impossible not to hear Valley Girl inflections when I read this
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:23 AM
dana_b (11,546 posts)
85. her candidate is threatened so she will say whatever it takes
to defend her.
Sorry Rachel. You won't be there to help her when she's being interviewed. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:34 AM
The_Casual_Observer (27,232 posts)
88. Post reads pretty much like a fox news report
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:37 AM
corkhead (6,119 posts)
89. I sat through that meandering 10 minute intro about Clint Eastwood's chair only to find out
that the payoff was yet another Donald Trump Story. "The Donald Trump Show, Starring Rachel Maddow". Fuck that. I turned it off so I didn't see these histrionics.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:07 AM
JEB (4,748 posts)
92. Like her banker pals, Hillary is too big to fail or jail. nt
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:12 AM
Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)
93. Rachel Maddow is a con artist
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
Skwmom (12,685 posts)
96. Her reputation is in the toilet. n/t
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:35 AM
B Calm (28,762 posts)
98. Hillary is the victim of her own bad judgements.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:58 AM
Gothmog (124,692 posts)
101. Rachel Maddow did a great job on this issue last night
It is amusing to see her attacked and thrown under the bus by the Sanders contingent
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:59 AM
MariaThinks (2,495 posts)
102. Rachel is a great way of cutting through bullshit and getting to the point. Bravo.
Just like Benghazi (drop head like a republican) this email scandal is nothing more than a smear campaign. Everyone was doing it. No we don't comply with all policies all the time. Anyone that says that they do are lying.
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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #102)
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:34 PM
cpwm17 (3,829 posts)
125. Her flagrant disregard for security concerns is far worse than exposing the secrets
of those that are committing serious crimes. But Hillary supporters here tend to be the strongest anti Snowden and Manning voices on DU. Manning exposed mass-murder and Snowden exposed unconstitutional behavior.
Hillary likely gave up, with her selfish behavior, far more actual classified information than Snowden and Manning did. Trump and his supporters aren't the only authoritarians in this race. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:04 AM
deathrind (1,786 posts)
105. TRMS
Has gone down hill. It was sad to see Rachel (who is the only reason I tune into MSNBC) frame this issue like that.
It does not matter that the rules were not followed...it's all about the burden imposed by following the rules. /facepalm |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:27 AM
jillan (39,451 posts)
110. Stick a fork in her. 1/2 of the liberals are done with her propaganda.
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:16 PM
EndElectoral (4,213 posts)
115. More excuses for HRC. Is she entitled to flout the rules others are required to follow?
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
d_legendary1 (2,586 posts)
117. I only watch talking heads in the morning now
Since what I usually hear from Morning Blow and the Clinton New Network is essentially the same thing I'll be hearing her and Tweety talk about in the evening: Trump puffing and Clinton proponing.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:37 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
126. Rachel always gets giddy and excited when defending HRC
She can barely stay in her seat.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:37 PM
Press Virginia (2,329 posts)
127. Not only that, the SD had 3 methods that were listed in the IG Report
one was printing them out.
Additionally, there are other approved retention methods including PDF, Floppy Disk/Memory Sticks even photographs and microfiche are acceptable under some circumstances. And, get this, HRC had people working for her.. they were recording her TV Shows, getting her Tea, finding her glasses....maybe one of them could have done some e-mail retention for HRC a couple days a week |
Response to Press Virginia (Reply #127)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:54 PM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
136. Oh, my gosh
" HRC had people working for her.. they were recording her TV Shows, getting her Tea, finding her glasses..."
Maybe even clipping her nails? ![]() |
Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #136)
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:58 PM
Press Virginia (2,329 posts)
137. Maybe. Certainly they could work on retaining her emails in
accordance with policies and procedures in effect.
HRC refused to use the SMART system but that doesn't excuse her from following the rules |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:38 PM
MFM008 (19,697 posts)
128. those were HER(Maddows) emails
she was just showing a comparison.
I didnt take it as lies or insults??? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:30 PM
DebbieCDC (2,539 posts)
129. Rachel wants to be HRC's press secretary so bad she can taste it
The depth to which she has sunk is unmeasurable
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:28 AM
grasswire (50,130 posts)
139. Maddow shocked me Thurs night too
I haven't watched her show for quite a long time. Her brazen propagandizing was a surprise. Wow. Who would have thought she would turn out like this?
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Response to grasswire (Reply #139)
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:52 AM
Sky Masterson (5,240 posts)
142. I guess Money is enough to gamble your Integrity on a Clinton screw-up
She was my favorite. I saw her on her book tour and own a signed copy of her book.
Why she would dive into this lie at the expense of honesty for Hillary Clinton is insane. She isn't considering the long term damage to her. I will never make a point to watch her show ever again. I imagine I'm not alone |
Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:44 AM
hopemountain (3,919 posts)
141. rachel's attempt to 'splain for hillary
was pathetic. though msnbc is not on our 'favorites' list any longer, during commercials we checked to see what rachel might be talking about. what a waste of time - not the email copying - but rachel's effort to rationalize how much hillary had to deal with - as though hillary does not have staff to handle the mundane tasks to comply with security of classified documents.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:56 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)