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PufPuf23

(8,741 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:37 AM May 2016

What about Hillary Clinton and the Ukraine? Hillary Clinton’s Ukraine Problem

Hillary Clinton as SOS was intimately involved with Ukraine as was The Clinton Foundation.

After Hillary Clinton was SOS there was the neo-conservative inspired Ukrainian Revolution that has brought Ukraine and the West to loggerheads with Russia and violence is sporadic but continuing, including a ramp up of military and rhetoric in adjacent and nearby Baltic and northern European nations.

Victoria Nuland is POTUS Obama's point person on the Ukraine as Asst. SOS. Her husband is Robert Kagan, the neo-con leader that speaks favorable Regards Hillary Clinton. Nuland has worked well in the past with Dick Cheney and in the Bill Clinton WH. One wonders what POTUS Obama was thinking in appointing Nuland Asst SOS. Nuland has furthered what Clinton started as SOS in Ukraine. When one looks at neo-conservative projects, it is important to note that the first initiation of a PNAC project was Plan Colombia during the second Bill Clinton term and that the Clintons have always worked better with neo-cons than other Democrats. I consider, as do many, Hillary Clinton a neo-conservative as well as a neo-liberal. There is a scandal regards to statements made by Nuland regards the European Union, our supposed allies.

http://www.progressivepress.net/hillary-clintons-ukraine-problem-2/

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What happened in Ukraine?

Hillary and Bill Clinton run the Clinton Foundation, established by the couple. The foundation accepts monetary donations from foreign donors, amassing to billions of dollars. Some of the top donors of the foundation were Ukrainian oligarchs. One of them, Victor Pinchuk, was a former member of the Ukrainian Parliament and a strong advocate of Neoliberalism in Ukraine. Pinchuk became wealthy during chaotic privatization of large state enterprises after the country’s separation from the Soviet Union.

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Stephen F. Cohen, an internationally prominent scholar of Russia, explains the reasons behind Clinton’s actions regarding Ukraine, during an interview organized by the American Committee for East West Accord Ltd. “This problem began in the 1990s, when the Clinton Administration adopted a winner-take-all policy toward post-Soviet Russia … Russia gives, we take. … This policy was adopted by the Clinton Administration but is pursued by every [meaning both] political party, every President, every American Congress, since President Clinton, to President Obama. This meant that the United States was entitled to a sphere or zone of influence as large as it wished, right up to Russia’s borders, and Russia was entitled to no sphere of influence, at all, not even in Georgia… or in Ukraine (with which Russia had been intermarried for centuries).”

Victoria Nuland, assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, who has been the lead U.S. point person for the Ukraine crisis was a deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs under the Bill Clinton administration. Nuland also served as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney.

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Reader Supported News journalist Steve Weisman’s report on how the Clinton led State Department laid the foundation for the regime change in Ukraine is an eye opener. It is truly one of the best investigative reporting pieces of our time, beginning with the evidence on the so called “rebel” who started the “revolution” against the Viktor Yanukovych administration. A polyglot Afghan immigrant who happened to work as a journalist in the news channel established by, none other than, the US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt. “Arriving in the Ukrainian capital on August 3 [2013], Pyatt almost immediately authorized a grant for an online television outlet called Hromadske.TV, which would prove essential to building the Euromaidan street demonstrations against Yanukovych.”

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About Victoria Nuland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs. She served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO. Nuland became special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe and then became State Department spokesperson in summer 2011.[5]

She was nominated to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in May 2013 and sworn in to fill that role in September 2013.[6] During her confirmation hearings, she faced "sharp questions" about a memo she had sent outlining the talking points that would be used by the Obama administration in the days shortly after the 2012 Benghazi attack.[7]

In her role as Assistant Secretary, she has been the lead U.S. point person for the Ukrainian crisis. She was a key figure in establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014, and the provisions of non-lethal assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guard.[8][9] Along with Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, she is seen as a leading supporter of defensive weapons delivery to Ukraine. In 2016 Nuland urged Ukraine to start prosecuting corrupt officials: "It's time to start locking up people who have ripped off the Ukrainian population for too long and it is time to eradicate the cancer of corruption".[10]

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PufPuf23

(8,741 posts)
3. Your welcome. Hillary Clinton had her hands all over Ukraine which way be more important than
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

Libya, Syria, Honduras, or Iraq.

The Ukraine War is not mentioned that much at DU or in the media respectful of import.

Ukraine is of largest area and the largest food producer in Europe.

Ukraine has already lost Crimea and effectively lost the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine.

The Ukraine War has no end in the immediate future and could be a flashpoint between Russia and the USA / NATO alliance.

The loss of Crimea and war in Donbass likely would not have occurred without the neo-conservative and neo-liberal over reach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass

polly7

(20,582 posts)
4. I've mentioned it a few times and been called a Pootie-lover, commie and many other
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

things. I'm actually quite hated here for mentioning these things (so expect a few 'anti-commies' to give you a hard time).

Yes, her influence was definitely all over Ukraine. My heart has gone out to people there from day one, especially to those in the east where so many have lost everything, including so many lives. The possible escalation between NATO and Russia terrifies me. That anyone would be so fucking stupid to do this in Ukraine boggles my mind.

PufPuf23

(8,741 posts)
5. DU today seems more interested in emails than Ukraine.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

I thought something other than emails might diversify today's chat.

Some folks think I am a fan a Gadaffi when I have my own unique spelling of his name as a jape.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
6. Do Bernie supporters and Trump supporters share a common love for Putin?
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

Seems to be no other way to explain their opposition to Ukrainian independence here...

polly7

(20,582 posts)
17. I have been called that!
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

But really they were just good guesses.

Here .... more of a certainty - for this, though.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
9. Seems to be a side-effect of Clinton Derangement Syndrome
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

If Clinton said she loved ponies, the Berniefans would screech about pony entitlement before she could finish the sentence.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
10. Not one single thought for the people of Ukraine suffering d/t yet another
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

fucking farce - seems to be a side effect of the derangement syndrome that cheered on the destruction of Libya and Iraq with no empathy whatsoever for all those whose lives were ruined.

But, poor Hillary.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
12. They have been suffering under the influence of Russian for centuries
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

From Tsars to Communists to King Vladimir I in the present.

I support Ukrainian independence by whatever means necessary.

PufPuf23

(8,741 posts)
11. Ukraine had independence but the neo-conservatives and neo-liberals wanted more
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

and made an evil mess by their manipulations.

Do some home work.

Hillary Clinton has her hands all over what has occurred in Ukraine.

I would never support Trump nor GOP and would have found a Democratic candidate to support that wasn't Hillary Clinton, Sanders is the only choice now. That said I never expected a candidate that called for turning away from neo-liberal and neo-conservative acts and policy so Sanders is surprising and refreshing.

Why don't you defend The Clinton Foundations and Ukraine?

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
14. I Was Just in Ukraine Recently
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

I am there every now and then for work. I can tell you one thing: the people there despise Putin, but they're no fans of Obama/Clinton either. They mostly say Obama because they really don't differentiate between him and HRC, but the point is they are NOT fans of the policies of the West and the USA. They dislike them less than Russia's approach, but we're not exactly thought of as freedom fighters, that's for sure.

It's a very tense place. I'm not a political scientist or a sociologist, so clearly what I've just posted is anecdotal. That said, I am observant in my travels around the world and I know when I'm in a place where the opinion of the US is not exactly positive. Ukraine is one of those places. You can feel that there even before you talk about any of this stuff with people.

PufPuf23

(8,741 posts)
15. Thank you for this post of direct recent experience SDJay.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016

It is what seems likely to be the case.

The only time I have ever been close to that part of the world was spending about 5 weeks in the former Yugoslavia and Romania in 1981. It was sort of unique because my ex and I spent most of our time with a couple of friends from Cal (UC Berkeley). They were living there for several years for one to do the fieldwork for a Cal PhD in archeology. He had lived there prior because his Dad was in the State Department in Yugoslavia and in 1981 was with the State Department in Romania. His spouse became a world-famous linguist / anthropologist (now) so both had strong language skills and knew many people. We traveled to every country except Montenegro of the former Yugoslavia. We had zero contact with other Americans and few westerners, most of these were because of University of Belgrade. The Yugoslavians loved Americans and were extremely kind and friendly and attentive every where we went. My impression was of a happy nation and changed my perception of the Iron Curtain. Then years later we watched many places we visited bombed on CNN. Bombing Dubrovnik was like bombing Disneyland after it was a thousand years old and still in operation. I bet that the peoples of the former Yugoslavia are not so positive of Americans now irrespective of what side they were on in the Yugoslavian War.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
16. You Bet
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

I've never been anywhere in the Middle East, so this is about as close to a place where I've been where US foreign policy has a direct and immediate impact on the people. It brings the things you see and read about on the 'news' in the US to a whole new level. It's no longer something you just see and hear from afar.

I'm sure folks who have been to the Middle East or even fought in combat have a much, much deeper and better perspective on this, but being in places like Ukraine really brings home the reality that most of what you see on the 'news' here is not news - it's programming designed for the audience. You'd think, based on what we see on the teevee machine and innerwebs here that Ukrainians absolutely adore us for helping them. Not the case. They're unhappy with us for our role in destabilizing things.

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