The Racist Side of Bernie Sanders Supporters

[ericson00]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters.html

For decades, one narrative has dominated American politics: That while white liberal Democrats may not be perfect, they are far more trustworthy and far less scary when it comes to race than conservative Republicans.
The backers of Bernie Sanders’s never-ending Kamikaze campaign remind us of an older truth: that there are good people and terrible people in both parties and that Republicans do not have a monopoly on intolerance.
...
While high-profile Republicans step forward to denounce one of their own and to argue that minorities should be treated with courtesy and respect, plenty of white progressives seem intent on putting us in our place, so to speak, and keeping us there. Though much of the media coverage of so-called “Bernie Bros” —overzealous, predominantly white, young and male Sanders supporters—has focused on their treatment of female journalists online, their lack of respect for racial and ethnic minorities who deign to challenge Sanders has been perhaps more chilling.

The Washington Post noted that at one point #MississippiBerning became a hashtag used by Sanders supporters on social media—a witty and clever turn of phrase unless of course you are a black American who hears the words “Mississippi burning” and immediately thinks of church bombings and lynchings.

Black writers and activists who have had the temerity to challenge Sanders’s record have been targeted by his supporters in ways that go against not just civility but even decency. I should know. I’m one of them. For having the gall to share my perspective, buoyed by polling data, that self-described socialists are pretty much unelectable to the American presidency, his supporters attempted to harass me offline.

[NWCorona]

1. Like team Hillary doesn't suffer from the same thing.

[uponit7771]

10. False equivalence, HRC has the more numerically diverse coalition than Sanders

[AgingAmerican]

40. But we get these accusatory OPs from her supporters all the time

And bogus charges of racism are themselves racist, IMHO.

[uponit7771]

110. Maybe not racist but not as racially progressive as they think the are, its obvious.

[Autumn]

153. That crap usualy comes from those anti-Semitic Hillary supporters.

[Raster]

157. You mean the ones that post their anti-Semitic bullshit on other sites...

...and then get caught red-handed?

[NWCorona]

56. And that means they can't be racist?

[uponit7771]

64. Of course not, that's silly on its face... but not as tolerant as Sanders supporters seem to be

... seeing there are openly racist threads with 80 recs from mostly them even on DU

[Cheese Sandwich]

105. "more numerically diverse" = a big fuck you to millions of people of color supporting Sanders

We don't exist.

Being the most "numerically diverse" does not make you right about anything.

People of any race an ethnicity make horrible choices every day.

[uponit7771]

112. red herring, I posted a fact that's not in dispute

[floriduck]

126. Whether there is one or one hundred who act racist, they are in both camps.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

160. The phrase "numerically diverse coalition" makes no semantic sense.

Seriously.

[aidbo]

227. Numerically diverse..

..means she has a large following of 3s, 7s, 9s, 2s, some 5s (ugh, 5s right? Gross). Even pi is on her side. Which you may be surprised at since pi is so irrational, but it's also transcendental, so it gets past it.

Basically all the numbers. Very diverse set of numbers, none of them are exactly the same.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

230. It's weird though how she can't seem to reel in the 6s & 1s.

Of course, we all knew she'd never appeal to the 4s.


Ha! Thanks for typing that out. I later realized I should have said no semantic sense in the context in which it was used here, but didn't have time then to come back and fix it.

[aidbo]

231. 4s are such prima donnas.

[Ken Burch]

162. There is no longer any good reason to attack the Sanders campaign on race.

I get it that POC believe the claim that HRC is "more electable&quot you'd have to concede that the latest polls prove she's not, I think), but she's a corporate centrist...and since racism largely survives because the rich want it to survive, it's not possible for a centrist to be a strong antiracist.

[MaeScott]

210. Another from the Capehart School of non-Journalism. Propaganda much?

[MaeScott]

207. HRC supporters are just as bad, if not worse..at least a million dollars worse.

[cali]

2. Disgusting. Absolute bullshit from Chelseaville

https://m.

#

[polly7]

14. +1,000,000 Shameful. nt.

[KoKo]

25. Fantastic! The Truth Out about the "Daily Beast" & connections.

Start at halfway mark for those who need quick read...

[oberliner]

42. Cenk and TYT are being completely disingenuous

The Daily Beast is irrelevant to what Keli is talking about. She is discussing her own first-hand experience being an African-American woman who has received harassment online due to her support for Clinton.

[KoKo]

169. Just like what happened in Nevada...Anyone can say anything....

if they get caught up in the Politics these day and can be "used" without knowing they are used. When you have a heated campaign like this one...it's hard to separate the Sincere from the Paid...the Innocent from the Users.

[oberliner]

170. Fair point

The "throwing chairs" example ought to be instructive to everyone.

That said, I think Cenk and TYT are a little too quick to dismiss anyone and everything that is in any way related to Hillary.

[oberliner]

39. No it's not

Keli Goff is an African-American woman who has been harassed online by Bernie supporters for expressing support for Hillary.

I know Cenk and the TYT folks go out of their way to defend Bernie supporters no matter what (and with an admitted pro-Sanders bias), but Keli's article is not BS.

She is talking about her own experience.

[cali]

44. Yes. It absolutely is. The DB has trashed Bernie with zeal for months

[oberliner]

53. No it's not

Keli Goff is describing her experiences and that of others.

Whether one thinks it is significant or not, is up to each individual.

Certainly a valid response could be: who cares what some internet trolls say? or something along those lines.

Another valid response could be: the Daily Beast is running this article just because it makes Bernie look bad.

But calling the article "BS" is simply not true and not valid.

She posted support of Hillary and she got some nasty comments from Bernie supporters. Are you really questioning the truth of that?

[tonyt53]

65. Perfect response. Thank you.

[oberliner]

146. You're welcome!

I appreciate that.

[azurnoir]

115. Chelsea Clinton is on the Daily Beast's board of directors

[oberliner]

145. That has already been pointed out

Certainly that suggests that the Daily Beast would be predisposed to publishing stories like this one, since it paints Bernie Sanders supporters in a negative light.

That does not, however, impugn the veracity of the content of the story, most of which can be very easily confirmed (such as the use of "Mississippi Berning&quot .

[azurnoir]

149. oh so it's the biased but true meme interesting indeed

[oberliner]

163. I don't know what you mean by that

I am just saying that the story is true (most of it can be easily confirmed), and it is being published by a pro-Hillary website because it reflects poorly on some Bernie supporters.

[azurnoir]

165. I shorthnded what you just said

oberliner (36,765 posts)
145. That has already been pointed out

Certainly that suggests that the Daily Beast would be predisposed to publishing stories like this one, since it paints Bernie Sanders supporters in a negative light.

That does not, however, impugn the veracity of the content of the story, most of which can be very easily confirmed (such as the use of "Mississippi Berning&quot .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2061264

[oberliner]

171. OK

I guess we agree then.

[Beacool]

109. Talk about partisanship.

Cenk, et al. are so pro Sanders that they lost a long time ago any objectivity they may have had in the past.

[cali]

114. I don't watch that stuff.

[Beacool]

118. You just uploaded one of their videos.

You must watch it, at least once in a while. I don't watch it period, and haven't done so since 2008.

[cali]

119. Because I did a search to support what I said.

[appalachiablue]

166. Thanks for the post and truth. A pack of repulsive slammers; Beast is right.

[VulgarPoet]

3. And PoC get a pass? Oohohohohokay.

http://fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360

I'm half-black, and I've seen JUST AS MUCH racism come from the Clintonista side of things. Racists don't change their spots, but y'all-- y'all threw a fuckin' pity party for one. Bra-fucking-vo. This is basically what tells me you're full of it, and what has consigned you with the rest of the hundreds on my block list.

[uponit7771]

6. Yeah,... you're right, the whole of racial ethnicities are racist too :rolleyes:@RacialREgressives

[VulgarPoet]

13. So now I'm racially regressive for not tolerating anti-semitism coming from half my blood?

Man, you too. Can't believe I used to respect y'all, and you're over here excusing this reprehensible fucking garbage when you know if one of these white people had said the same thing, you'd have been all over it like you've been all over Sanders supporters like fuckin' WillyT.
/bye.

[uponit7771]

21. What specificially are you talking about? tia

[arcane1]

134. Hillary's insulting treatment of BLM tells me all I need to know about her racism.

Trolls like the OP, and the troll in your link, are trying, and failing, to hide how flawed she truly is.

[AtomicKitten]

219. After the 2008 campaign, Clinton supporters are hypocrits to crticize anyone on race.

Culminating in their waiting with bated breath for the infamous and turns out imaginary "whitey" tape to surface.

[VulgarPoet]

232. Seriously. It's honestly p bloody disgusting. nt

[uponit7771]

4. An openly overt racist, sexist bigoted thread on DU got 80 recs from the "far left". There's NO DOUB

... that if these people aren't just openly racist they're NOT racially progressive as they think they are.

[fun n serious]

8. I agree.

It's on the left and the right.

[Number23]

192. How many recs and supporters did Manny and Willy get before they finally got tossed?

I remember all of the times black folks and women got told we were being "too sensitive" for seeing and hearing the obvious dog whistles from those two. That we were "looking to be offended" because two white men went out of their way to openly and REPEATEDLY disparage minority communities to loud cheers from many here.

Now, we have the same folks who cheered on Manny and Willy screaming because a black woman dares to articulate her opinions about the clear racism that is coming from some quarters of the Sanders campaign and its supporters. Coincidence? Yeah, I'm totally sure.

[uponit7771]

196. +1, and they refuse to check their attitudes...

[fun n serious]

5. Yep

Disenfranching southern voters, Dismissing them..

[imagine2015]

11. Hillary wasn't planning to campaign in the southern Republican states in the general election.

Her main attention was going to be in the "battleground states" if she had secured the nomination.

[tonyt53]

67. After NJ, she will have secured it. Also, GA and NC are up for grabs.

[riderinthestorm]

7. And throw in the disgusting anti-semitism from Team Hillary

and its a perfect storm of ugly.

[ericson00]

9. ummm Bernie is the one putting BDS supporters on the platform committee

and Hillary is winning the Jewish vote. Why?

http://forward.com/news/national/341332/will-bernie-sanders-ignite-israel-feud-at-democratic-convention/#article-comments

“If Senator Sanders has an ounce of sense, he won’t try to promote his positions on Israel at the conference,” said Wexler. The former congressman launched a fierce attack on Sanders in an interview with the Forward. “The saddest reality of all is that Senator Sanders is the first Jew to win a presidential primary but very few people in the Jewish community can feel a sense of pride because of his expressions on Israel.”
Wexler went on to argue that Sanders’ comments, which centered on a claim that Israel used excessive force against Palestinians, “have given credence to some of the most anti-Israel voices in the world.”

[Scootaloo]

27. Says the fellow who calls Jews who disagree with him "self-hating"?

[JonLeibowitz]

92. BDS supporters are automatically anti-semitic? Nope.

[azurnoir]

106. your comment would seem to insinuate that US Jewish voters choose their candidate based on Israel

That in and of itself smacks of the 'dual loyalty' canard, something that is considered antisemitic

ericson00 (2,031 posts)
9. ummm Bernie is the one putting BDS supporters on the platform committee

and Hillary is winning the Jewish vote. Why?

http://forward.com/news/national/341332/will-bernie-sanders-ignite-israel-feud-at-democratic-convention/#article-comments

“If Senator Sanders has an ounce of sense, he won’t try to promote his positions on Israel at the conference,” said Wexler. The former congressman launched a fierce attack on Sanders in an interview with the Forward. “The saddest reality of all is that Senator Sanders is the first Jew to win a presidential primary but very few people in the Jewish community can feel a sense of pride because of his expressions on Israel.”
Wexler went on to argue that Sanders’ comments, which centered on a claim that Israel used excessive force against Palestinians, “have given credence to some of the most anti-Israel voices in the world.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2057098

[Aerows]

152. And used to be against the TOS here at DU.

I guess it still is, but considering the things that have been given a pass lately, a whole heaping helping is slipping through the cracks.

Oh but wait - is it too soon still for a liberal to express dismay at anti-semitism and/or bigotry of any sort, or am I still not qualified yet to speak about that? I mean hell, I had "sudden" concern about email and was a hypocrite yesterday when I pointed out that I wrote to Patrick Leahy in 2006 over record keeping issues with the Bush Administration, but I guess it's still too soon.

(Yes, I was told that I was only "allowed" to comment on anti-LGBT issues since I have a well known history of taking exception to anti-LGBT issues since I'm part of the L group. I did not inquire if I was "allowed" to address sexism, but I assume that I'm similarly "able" to comment on them, but you never know).

[uponit7771]

12. Link and quote from credible source from "team Hillary" tia

[riderinthestorm]

38. Calling Bernie a "crusty old Jew", the red baiting, Jewish tropes like he's a conman

a grifter, "greedy" etc etc.

If you haven't seen these you are part of the problem.

[oberliner]

45. Calling someone a con man is Jewish trope?

Isn't con man what people are calling Trump?

[uponit7771]

50. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. As being part Jewish I have been the target of just about every anti-semitic trope.

"Con man" is a new one.

[uponit7771]

52. Where is this from HRC team ... not anonymous posters

[TwilightZone]

104. One poster who has since been banned doesn't represent Clinton supporters or the Clinton campaign

The guy was unquestionably a jackass, but we don't know he was a "real" Clinton supporter any more than we know the people defending using the C word for Democratic female politicians or the "Stockholm Syndrome" dope are really Sanders supporters. There are more trolls here than many of us would like to believe.

[Bluenorthwest]

120. Tons of others are still present and protected by their cohort

Myself and many other Sanders supporters spoke loudly against that Stockholm thread which was aimed at LGBT and African Americans. I have not seen Clinton supporters stand up to the bigots on their side and they sure as shit exist. Homophobic, antisemitic and known as such. They are not castigated by your cohort, they are carried on shoulders as heroes by your cohort.

The poster who called Bernie a crusty old Jew remained on DU until a good posters specifically pointed that out to Skinner this week. That poster had threads full of people agreeing with him up until the moment he was banned.
That poster had 11 Hides, an Amnesty All Star who posted homophobic and antisemitic materials habitually while his cohort posted strong agreement with him, never critical, always highly supportive.

[riderinthestorm]

151. Yup, its definitely here and at other places like the jackass radicals site

Where raging anti-semitism and homophobia rages unchecked.

The other DU Hillary supporting site now has to keep the worst stuff behind walls since they were exposed.

[LexVegas]

15. Remember how many recs the Stockholm Syndrome and Low Information Voters threads got?

[uponit7771]

22. +1

[zappaman]

75. Not to forget how the South Carolina primary "shouldn't count".

[Beacool]

113. Let's not forget the suggestion that the "Confederate" states didn't count.

Even Sanders jumped on that bandwagon and complained that the Southern states were placed too early on the primary calendar.

So, VT and NH counted despite their small size and overwhelmingly white population, but the entire South where millions of people live and voted should be discounted.

Interesting concept of democracy.......

[Bobbie Jo]

123. The BLM threads were a real eye-opener too.

You just can't un-see that stuff.

[Number23]

193. EXACTLY! And the same folks who loved that shit are the ones screaming because this woman dares to

share her experiences, which mirror 1000 times over the experiences of other women and people of color since the Sanders campaign began.

The people screaming over this can pound sand.

[mmonk]

16. The dilemma we who are accused of being things we are not have a choice.

While we take on the hard work of reforming the party, we could also work on forming a new party that represents the values that included economic justice. That would be easier because we wouldn't have to work with people that smear us.

[brush]

62. What? Not clear.

[mmonk]

90. The dilemma of staying in to create economic justice or to form a 3rd party

in the attempt to do so.

[KeepItReal]

17. You're talking about twitter posts? When Hillary/Brock is *paying* for the same shit?

You do realize Twitter ain't the real world, right?

I didn't cast my California primary ballot based on what someone I don't or will ever know tweeted back, retweeted or PMed to someone.

[TwilightZone]

18. When one of your supporters says, "Hillary won the Confederacy"

and it's echoed repeatedly by his supporters here and elsewhere on lefty sites, you might want to reconsider your minority outreach efforts.

And your understanding of history and geography.

[uponit7771]

24. +1

[That Guy 888]

98. What was the political allegiance during the Civil War of the "Blue Dog Coalition" members states?

Not all, but most of the Blue Dog Coalition were/are from "the South" - home of the confederacy. When Democrats were tired of the Blue Dog's siding with the gop when we really needed their votes we were told: "You don't understand the culture of the South. The best we can hope for is conservative Democrats who will at least allow us to get majority status in the House and Senate. Of course the Clinton campaign knows this, but has decided that calling Sanders supporters racists will "bring them to heel".

The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs or Blue Dog Democrats, is a caucus of United States Congressional Representatives from the Democratic Party who identify themselves as conservative Democrats.

Founding members were Glen Browder and Bud Cramer of Alabama; Blanche Lambert Lincoln of Arkansas; Gary Condit of California; Nathan Deal of Georgia; William Lipinski of Illinois; Scotty Baesler of Kentucky; Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana; Collin Peterson and David Minge of Minnesota; Michael Parker and Gene Taylor of Mississippi; Pat Danner of Missouri; William K. Brewster of Oklahoma; John S. Tanner of Tennessee; Ralph Hall, Charles Stenholm, Pete Geren and Greg Laughlin of Texas, Bill Orton of Utah; and Lewis F. Payne, Jr. and Owen Pickett of Virginia. Condit and Deal were co-chairmen. Browder headed the group's budget task force.[9]

The term "Blue Dog Democrat" is credited to Texas Democratic Rep. Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been "choked blue" by Democrats on the Left.[10] It is related to the political term "Yellow Dog Democrat," a reference to southern Democrats said to be so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog if it were labeled Democrat. The term is also a reference to the "Blue Dog" paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana, as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party; both had Rodrigue's paintings on their walls.[11][12] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue," a reference to the Blue Dogs' belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[13]

Although its membership is not exclusively Southern, some[14][15] view the Blue Dogs as the political successors to a now defunct-in-name Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils, who played a critical role in the early 1980s by supporting President Ronald Reagan's tax cut plan. The Boll Weevils, in turn, may be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century.[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

[TwilightZone]

100. You could have saved yourself some time by asking yourself the following question:

When was the last time that someone who wasn't an idiot non-ironically referred to the South as the Confederacy?

It stopped being the Confederacy 150 years ago.

[That Guy 888]

107. "It stopped being the Confederacy 150 years ago." Really?

And yet when Civil Rights legislation started to attack Jim Crow laws, Georgia changed their state flag to include a Confederate battle flag. Other "Confederate" states incorporated the Confederate battle flag into their state flag in the 1890's. I live in Texas. If you go to our state capital, you will see a massive statue to confederate soldiers, and in the capitol building there is a helpful plaque which explains that the Civil War had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery. The kkk was founded by nathan bedford forrest, a confederate general. Their political wing the ccc or concerned citizens council(still defended to this day by some in the south) held seats in government in the south during the 1960's(is that 150 years ago?) and used the power of their state offices to not only fight against civil rights, but to pass on information to the clan, leading to deaths of more than one civil rights protestor.

While the confederacy was defeated militarily, it's politics continued well into the 20th century and there are remnants today.

But Clinton's attempt (and yours) to paint all Sanders supporters as racists is a pathetic attempt to silence those who don't agree with you, and worse, it makes party unity increasingly difficult. Hope Clinton gets the moderate republican vote that she's courting should she be the nominee.

[TwilightZone]

108. You're not helping your cause.

Just because some dopes in the South still call it the Confederacy because they never got over the Civil War, it's OK that a Sanders supporting group does, too? And that a bunch of DUers piled on?

Do you really not understand how ridiculous that sounds?

Thanks for making my point way better than I did.

[That Guy 888]

111. You are not helping Clinton, but you are a faithful 102nd Keyboard Commando for her.

Do you really understand how ridiculous it sounds to call all Sanders supporters racists? Keep deflecting away from that, but it is what you are doing.

Thanks for making my point way better than I did.

It seems that your user name is more about your state of mind than anything else.

[Eric J in MN]

19. No garbage against Sanders supporters

...is too low for The Daily Beast, the aptly named rag where Chelsea Clinton sits on the Board of Directors.

[oberliner]

46. It's a factual first-hand account by an African-American woman

Describing the harassment she received online due to her posts about the election.

[Eric J in MN]

55. If people who called her a 'disgrace'

...must be racist, then people on Twitter who have called me an 'idiot' must be anti-semitic.

[oberliner]

61. The Mississippi "Berning" reference was what she found racially insensitive

Also the sense that people were "whitesplaining" to her, as if she can't possibly be informed if she is supporting Hillary, especially as related to who would be better for Black people.

[Eric J in MN]

80. There is a difference between

...racially insensitive and racist.

The hashtag "MississipiBerning" was racially insensitive. It wasn't racist, and the argument of the Daily Beast article is that Sanders supporters are racist.

With regard to "whitesplaining:" white Clinton supporters on Twitter tell me negative things about Sanders I've seen a zillion times before. Since I'm white, too, I don't interpret as racist. Not do I interpret it as anti-semitic. It's a way people argue on Twitter regardless of race and religion.

[oberliner]

96. The article does not claim that Sanders supporters are racist

The title notwithstanding.

Note the point she makes towards the end:

The fact that a sizable number of prominent Republicans are willing to lose this election in the name of racial and religious tolerance is actually a jarring contrast to the increasing number of Sanders voters who argue they are willing to forfeit an election to a man many of them consider a racist and xenophobe, one who they know will harm minorities, rather than ever vote for his opponent, a woman they don’t like but who is not Donald Trump.

That seems to be the crux of her dissatisfaction.

Can we agree that it is a reasonable article with a crappy title (most likely not written by the author)?

[Eric J in MN]

102. She probably didn't choose the title

...but the theme of the article is that people wouldn't call her "a disgrace" or Neera Tanden "scumbag" if she and Tanden were white.

The article is as unreasonable as if I were to attribute Clinton supporters on Twitter calling me "an idiot" to anti-semitism.

Drawing a contrast between "prominent Republicans" who say they won't support Trump and random Sanders supporters who say they will is apples and oranges. A better comparison is that more Sanders supporters say they're willing to vote for Clinton than May 2008 Clinton supporters said they were willing to vote for Obama.

[oberliner]

184. That's not the theme of the article

You are reading something into the article that isn't there.

The primary examples related to race that she gives are:

The Washington Post noted that at one point #MississippiBerning became a hashtag used by Sanders supporters on social media—a witty and clever turn of phrase unless of course you are a black American who hears the words “Mississippi burning” and immediately thinks of church bombings and lynchings.

If Hillary supporters referenced the Holocaust as part of a witty and clever turn of phrase, I am certain that Bernie supporters would correctly not that such a reference is insensitive to Jewish people.

Another example:

After all, as one white Sanders supporter informed me: “You need to be better informed on the needs of Black people.” Thanks for the tip!

I would point out that this is probably similar to what Sanders supporters may have encountered when non-Jewish Hillary supporters tell Jewish Sanders supporters that Sanders isn't good for Jewish interests.

I think it is fair to say that there has been some lack of sensitivity with regard to African-Americans from some Bernie supporters. Thus, I think this is a legitimate article.

If someone else wanted to write an article about a lack of sensitivity with regard to Jewish people from some Hillary supporters, I would be interested in reading that as well.

[melman]

180. Yes it does

[oberliner]

183. No it doesn't

At no point does that writer make that claim anywhere in the article.

[melman]

185. Of course it does

I don't know if you're playing a game, or you really don't see it, but it's there.

[oberliner]

186. No it doesn't

At no point does she say Bernie Sanders supporters are racist.

Maybe the fact that you see it in the article says something about you rather than the article itself.

[melman]

188. Yes

it says something about my reading comprehension. I has it.

[oberliner]

189. Thank you

I apologize if I came off rude, but I appreciate you realizing that you hadn't read the article carefully enough.

[Bluenorthwest]

121. How many straight Hillary supporters make OP's to lecture LGBT about Hillary? Many of them.

And yet when their candidate praised Reagan falsely as an AIDS activist, not one of them criticized her nor did they stand up and speak the truth about those times. Many of them tried to straightsplain that Reagan was really super good to gay people.

So. Why do all those straights feel they have need to explain LGBT things to LGBT? Your candidate does not even know the basic history and her supporters do not give a fuck, but they make those OPs.

I suppose it's 'different' when it is about LGBT. It's ok to do that to us. Just not to real humans, is that it?

[oberliner]

143. Probably quite a few

I would certainly read with interest an article from an LBGT writer who is annoyed/frustrated/offended by Hillary supporters providing such a lecture.

[arcane1]

129. Cool story! Got any more?

I have a cousin who said a cashier once told him that someone said Bernie Sanders attends KKK rallies

[oberliner]

144. Has your cousin had that story published?

If they are willing to go on the record and provide specific details, it would be fairly easy to evaluate the veracity of the claim.

The example about "Mississippi Berning" cited in this article can be confirmed quite easily. In fact, that phrase has been used in the Bernie Sanders group here at DU.

[arcane1]

147. Well, that's different. If it's published it's clearly true, and widespread n/t

[oberliner]

148. That's not necessarily true

But if something is published, i.e. if someone is willing to go on the record with their claims, and provide links and references, then it becomes more easy to fact check. As I mentioned, there are key components of this particular article that are easily confirmed. As to her other claims, it is certainly possible that she is lying, I guess.

[Doctor_J]

20. Sanders supporters are "terrible people"

Desperation from Camp Liesalot

[uponit7771]

26. Nope, just seems they're not as racially progressive as they think they are

[Yurovsky]

99. That's nonsense...

Maybe you should poll the millions of POC incarcerated by Team Clinton's prison-industrial complex. They might see things a little differently.

[oberliner]

221. It's not a 1:1 binary relationship

It is possible to be critical of both Bernie and Hillary on this score.

[yardwork]

23. I've seen this in real life.

I had to block a lifelong friend from emailing me because his messages became racist, homophobic, and misogynistic. He is furious with whole groups of people because we don't support Bernie, supposedly. His emails became vile.

This person considers himself ultra-left. I had never heard racism from him before. He is an alcoholic and prone to sending foolish emails when drunk, but they were never ever racist or otherwise bigoted until this spring. It seems to me that his rage that others don't see Bernie as he does tapped into some deep seated sense of white male privilege.

I have no idea if Bernie caused this or not, but there seems to be a national phenomenon involving some Bernie supporters reacting with rage, condescension, and privilege to those who don't agree with them.

Some soul searching might be in order for some. I know plenty of Bernie supporters who have continued to be kind, thoughtful people.

[Doctor_J]

29. and I saw a Hilloon drowning some baby kittens

[HooptieWagon]

32. Cool story, bro.

[yardwork]

35. Both these responses prove my point.

I understand being skeptical of anything you read. However, my post is true, and I know it. Your efforts to condescend and dismiss my experience just reinforce my perception that some Bernie supporters are acting like privileged jerks. My experiences seem to match those of others I see in the news.

Your candidate's campaign has an image problem.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

60. "cool story bro" proves that Sanders voters are racist? I think not.

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. So your lifelong friend suddenly assumed the three worst qualities HRC supporters believe there are.

Racist, homophobic, and misogynistic.

Yet, he was never otherwise bigoted.

Mmm hmm.

[yardwork]

51. It's caused me a lot of sadness.

I have to assume that he's always harbored these attitudes. Or, he's suddenly become mentally ill. (That's possible, actually. Very heavy drinker for decades.)

There is a striking similarity in his recent behavior to the behavior we're reading about among some Bernie supporters. That's the part that is so interesting.

This is a thing. Sanders needs to address it.

[seaglass]

117. Bernie won't address it because he is as oblivious to it as many of his supporters. He blames but

takes no responsibility because it's all just an evil plot by Clinton and Brock to make him and his supporters look bad.

I'm sorry this happened to you with one of your friends yardwork. I have been on Twitter for many years but do not communicate on FB nor do I talk politics with friends or family because I know for a fact that I would be hearing shit I don't have time for, too many R's in my life.

[Beacool]

116. There was an article on Politico this week about the "BernieBros"

being the more likely group to vote for Trump, if Sanders didn't become the nominee. Before anyone gets upset, they made a point of describing this group as young, mostly white males who are dissatisfied with the system. There was also a certain level of sexism within this group.

I'm sure that the majority of Sanders' supporters will vote for Hillary in the GE, just as her supporters would have voted for Sanders if he had been the nominee. The majority of Democrats aren't stupid enough to give Trump a chance to win without at least fighting against it.

[Surya Gayatri]

28. Massive K & R. So spot on.

[HooptieWagon]

30. Hillary doesn't need Sanders supporters votes in Nov...got it.

[Hoyt]

31. Most Berners are middle class white folks who didn't give a darn about anyone until

life started getting tough for them.

[peace13]

59. Keep thinking that.

Utter bull!

[JCanete]

194. you don't know what you're talking about, or you're doing your part to sell that narrative.

Why would you just pull a statement like that out of your ass?

[Scootaloo]

33. But don't forget to vote for Hillary, guys!

[VulgarPoet]

36. About that... There's that one sage phrase that comes to mind, looking at drivel like this.

"Fuck'em." Pigs will fly, cats and dogs will rain from the sky, the Browns will win the Super Bowl and Kim Jong Un will make North Korea a Democratic paradise before Texas goes blue, so my vote can essentially go anywhere and not make any difference.

[HooptieWagon]

49. It is true that 2/3 the state's are deep blue or dark red.

Votes there don't make a difference. I live in a swing state...Obama barely squeaked out wins in '08 and '12. Clinton loses by 5+% with Hillarian 'help'.

[Scootaloo]

66. Isn't it hilarious?

"Bernie supporters are all terrible awful shitheads! They're racists, misogynists, and white supremacists to the last one! BOY I HOPE THEY VOTE FOR CLINTON!"

The best part is who is trying to deliver this lecture. Uponit? Ericson00?! Lord o' mighty.

[VulgarPoet]

72. Oh yeah, Mr. Red Scare Hyperbole in the flesh.

I should probably put him on my block list, but nine times out of ten, he's more pathetically amusing than outright pulse-raisingly infuriating like the rest of the vast majority of the Clintonistas.

[Waiting For Everyman]

34. My supporters are cooler than your supporters.

Really? Get a better narrative. That one doesn't fly.

[oberliner]

48. That's not the narrative

It's an article about some of the harassment she received from Bernie supporters.

[UMTerp01]

37. I see no lies in this article

There have always been those White progressives who are all good with Blacks so long as we tow the line. Black people didn't kiss Bernie Sanders ass and you could see the subtle and not so subtle ways they expressed their disdain with Black voters who said no to Bernie Sanders, particularly those Bernie Bros. The #MississippiBurning was just one example.

HOWEVER, don't think its limited to just Sanders stans. I was on twitter and responded to the tweet from a White Hillary supporter who said something to the effect of "If Black voters abandon Hillary this time around after we unified and voted for Obama I might just become a racist" So I said newsflash bro....if you even let this sentiment slip from your mouth you already are a racist. Its that attitude that Black people must tow the line with White folks and the ones I hate that it comes from the most are White progressives. I expect that bullshit from Republican Whites. But those White progressives claiming to be all about everything Bernie Sanders and lauding his racial justice history and yet slide in these comments with racial overtones can kiss the Blackest part of my ass!!!

Oh and instead of acknowledging that this shit is present among Bernie's stans its usual deflection to "what about Hillary" or somehow throwing it back her way. Ridiculous. We are talking about the supporters here...not the candidates. This is also the narrative that Bernie and his supporters can do no wrong that also gets on my nerves. This entitlement that you think you are going to overturn the will of one of the most reliable voting blocs of the Democratic party, African American voters, who clearly chose Clinton with some convention fight?!!!! Hmm...keep thinking that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. SMH

But there were a couple of messages that made their way to me that were particularly troubling. One Sanders supporter pleaded on Facebook for others to stop attacking me and try to “inform me” (Again this denotes I couldn’t possibly be educated because I don’t agree with them, but at least he sounded civil). To which another replied, “She chooses to ignore the issues and work for her own personal interest. If that is the case than to me everything is allowed as long as it’s not physical violence.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters.html

[uponit7771]

58. Wow

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. Sounds like " do what you want, just don't hurt her."

[uponit7771]

84. Yeap, my view of the "far left" has changed for the worse.... they're idealouges too

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Bullying and intimidation have no place in the public square.

[forjusticethunders]

161. I'm ideologically far to the left of most Berners (hell Sanders was an ideological compromise to me)

The problem is that most of the "far left" ain't all that oppressed, and thus don't have the amount of urgency actual oppressed people to fucking WIN. MLK was a socialist and imo well to the left of Bernie today but he didn't voice that out loud because winning was the priority and tying socialism to civil rights overtly wasn't going to win in that time period.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. This makes me sad as a person and as a stalwart Democrat it makes me shudder.

We have to save ourselves, and going forward maybe the best way to do that is to diversify more of our political power among the decent people in American politics—regardless of their party label.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters.html

[Jester Messiah]

86. God forbid anyone should imply that you don't already know everything. n/t

[Number23]

195. Bravenak has a thread in the Hillary Group from Sanders supporters using that EXACT SAME LANGUAGE

against her. The bullshit, from some of the nastiest people in the world, that black people need to be EDUCATED about Sanders. Clearly they have no idea how racist, ignorant and clueless they sound.

And now these folks in this thread are acting like this is just made up and hasn't been going on for damn near a YEAR at this fucking point.

[Spacedog1973]

47. I'm a Hillary supporter and calling bullshit on this

Not because it is wrong, but that white Hillary supporters don't get a free pass either. Liberal Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters who are white, ostensibly are coming from the same place. They are prone to the same blind spots and ignorance and I have no doubt engage in the same type of shit.

This is a white problem in white communities which has not been addressed. I see a lot of finger pointing and accusation between the two groups and not a lot of solution building with an issue that has been around since the start of the nation and before.

Hillary has made similar mistakes and has seemed to learn from them. I have little doubt that if Bernie had the same length of time in the hot light of public attention as Hillary has, he would have learned too.

But its so often the white supporters who come from a place of ignorance, of self imposed apartheid and privilege that time and again when race is raised not simply in elections, but in general often disappoint with their false equivalences and an unbearable level of smugness.

[yardwork]

54. Good points. White privilege is a problem. Period.

[Armstead]

68. IMO it's a totally legitimate discussion/issue -- But should not have been injected in the primaries

The actual subject gets lost in the back and forth over which candidate is better or worse.

Fact is, Bernie is as committed to social/racial justice as Clinton. They have a lot of differences on other issues, which should have been the focus of the primary.

Branding Sanders and his supporters as racists -- or racially insensitive or whatever, compared to Clinton supporters is just divisive political marketing.

Realizing that AA's are more familiar with Clinton and therefore more supportive misses the point. Sanders has had to introduce himself to all voters, and present his agenda. Being cast as having a "problem with Black People" from the beginning was injecting a false difference between them.

[Spacedog1973]

79. Its an issue about a random group of american white people

And who are more racist. Its pointless. Neither platform is a racist one. The racism stems from ignorance and from the same source. An issue about the cause and source of racism in general has nothing to do with this election unless we are talking about a specific platform that sells bigotry. But has nothing to do with the platforms of either Hillary or Bernie and is a further example of how important the issue of racism is to many, only to use as a weapon and stupid point scoring. But when it comes to dealing with its causes, nobody really gives a shit.

[Armstead]

87. I think I agree with you except....

people do give a shit.

The same columnist above wrote a column outside of the primary frame in 2015 that made sense when she is not in the attacking a candidate and his supporters mode:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/22/the-modern-reason-whites-hire-their-own.html
How Diversity Police Halt Progress
It used to be plain old racism. Now it’s fear of saying something offensive to the black guy—and being caught on social media.

"Which is why I find the fallout from the protests at Yale University, Dartmouth, and other places so troubling, and damaging to the African-American community. Increasingly the message from certain activists seems to be, if you are imperfect in how you talk about race, you are not allowed to be part of the conversation. This message will not only have a chilling effect on college campuses, but I believe is already having a devastating impact on the efforts of minorities to advance in fields in which we are underrepresented—and in which our presence is needed now more than ever....

......Like it or not, white males, a number of whom may have a learning curve on issues like race or gender, run the world, or at least most of it. If we want to see power distributed more evenly, we have to be able to get into the halls of power. That will be tough to do if more and more white Americans in power become fearful of having conversations with us in the first place.

....

[Spacedog1973]

93. I realise that people in general may give more than a shit

I am talking specifically about this thread and DU in particular where this type of conversation simply doesn't exist, or if it does, its 1/1000 of every racism-as-a-weapon post that gets everyone throwing shit at each other.

The post you quoted is problematic. I'm not sure why you linked it as its simply more bowing and scraping in deference to white people's feelings about being called racist. This is the same issue that feeds threads like this: Someone calls/infers someone/a group is/a racist, feelings are hurt, then its back and forth. Meanwhile the actual issue of racism takes second place to white feelings.

Anyway, we met halfway. Thats progress on DU regarding race.

[Armstead]

97. I'll settle for halfway...Happy to discuss it in the larger context when...

...it has been decoupled from the primaries and characterizations of two competing Democratic candidates and their supporters.

[Jamaal510]

150. +1

[forjusticethunders]

159. Oh for sure

I haven't forgotten 2008, or that lady that went off about Obama winning. That was part of my initial anti-Hillary stance to begin with.

Bernie is more or less running the Hillary 2008 campaign.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. A 4-paragraph excerpt with no cogent points. Are there other parts you could excerpt

that actually go toward making and documenting a point?

[Octafish]

63. Nice Broad Brush

Keli Goff should be ashamed.

[VulgarPoet]

77. Shit, Bob Ross would be proud.

Ericson needs to go paint himself some happy little fuckin trees before he makes any more of a mockery of himself with divisive bullshit like this. Yeah, it happens, but it's happened in the Clinton camp, the Trump camp, hell, probably even the O'Malley camp; so trying to play "holier than thou" is not only a lost cause, but utterly fuckin' stupid. And once again, Ericson deserves to be derided for this drivel.

[HerbChestnut]

69. How on earth has this thread been allowed to stand?

...

[libtodeath]

73. Many Hillary supporters have no shame.

[Scootaloo]

74. Because of the poster's avatar

It's part of Skinner's new "twenty-three strikes and you're out... well, okay, twenty-four" rule that Hillary supporters get to benefit from.

[arcane1]

132. Basically anything short of a death threat is OK now. Phony "balance" to impress the Clintons.

If I were him, I'd be embarrassed too, to see how much his pro-Clinton website prefers her opponent

[Scootaloo]

198. Oh, I'm sure death threats would be fine too.

I've already had one moron threaten to beat me up. I thought it was pretty funny.

[hobbit709]

70. Here we go again. Recycling this charge, like the red baiting, etc., has been recycled repeatedly.

Just once I'd like to see a little originality out of Camp Weathervane.

[zappaman]

71. The relentless harassment and stalking of the AA group here

Told me everything I need to know about SOME of DUs self-proclaimed progressives.
They are anything but.

[oberliner]

76. The "Mississippi Berning" phrase has been used at DU, in the Bernie Sanders Group

Mississippi Berning:

They caucused today and were elected precinct delegates. The MS Democratic Party rep said that they were not prepared for the fact that Bernie now has more supporters than Hillary does in their state.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280117973

[iandhr]

81. Right here on DU as well.

Rember the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing here.

[uponit7771]

88. Yeap, that overtly sexist, homophobic and racist thread got 80 recs

[Bluenorthwest]

122. I'm a Sanders supporter and I remember raging against that OP along with other Sanders

supporters while in counterpart threads Hillary supporters are never critical of the bigots on their team. They also cite that Stockholm thread as definition of Sanders supporters knowing full well that many of us strongly objected to it. I could define all Clinton supporters by the PPR'd antisemitic posters that came from Camp Clinton because they never object to it, they never criticize their own no matter how bigoted.

[iandhr]

124. The headline line should read "Some Sanders supporters"

[NCTraveler]

82. I would really like to see supporters of Clinton and Sanders...

Stop being portrayed as racist. There are racist elements to both camps but overall we are in this fight and support our candidates because we think they will fight for a more just society.

Don't get me wrong, we should call out racism within our own side. But we far too often are making broad statements that don't hold up in an attempt to malign others in the worst possible way.

Know one recognizes race being used as a wedge like POC themselves. I took great issue with Sanders supporters as they unabashedly did it early on and I'm doing so here.

[KPN]

91. Total Bullshit -- especially this:

"their lack of respect for racial and ethnic minorities who deign to challenge Sanders".

Any lack of respect has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or gender.

[arcane1]

130. Yet they go after Cornell West like he's Charles Manson for daring to criticize Obama.

Racism is just another tool for the Clinton Campaign to exploit for its own ends.

[uponit7771]

187. When overtly bigoted threads get 80 recs I disagree 100%

[TransitJohn]

94. ....

[bkkyosemite]

95. Don't call me a frickin racist!

[Yurovsky]

101. Simple projection, nothing more...

the racism of Team Clinton was clearly exposed in the 2008 campaign. I guess the guilt is eating you people up...

[Skwmom]

103. Anyone who thinks Bernie would attract racist supporters is out of their mind.

[bravenak]

125. Thank you ericson00.

Black writers and activists who have had the temerity to challenge Sanders’s record have been targeted by his supporters in ways that go against not just civility but even decency. I should know. I’m one of them. For having the gall to share my perspective, buoyed by polling data, that self-described socialists are pretty much unelectable to the American presidency, his supporters attempted to harass me offline

The offline harassment, death threats, letters to our homes, threats to our families, the doxxing??? He said nothing and his fans just continue to this day, even to the point of telling us black folks tha we are MAKING THIS SHIT UP FOR ATTENTION. No support, just constant attacks day after day, following us to other site to attack us there, to find us no matter where we go and pound on us day after day. And they see NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING IT. They blame us for no taking it in silence. Kinda seems like HISTORICAL TIMES. I actually am treated BETTER BY CONSERVATIVES

[seekthetruth]

127. Fuckin ludicrous....

....why does this post waste storage on DU's servers?

If anything, socialism is getting to the base of our colored brothers and sisters problems: the economy.

Please don't claim that I'm a racist because of my color. I've seen loved ones in my family raised around that environment and it sickens me (I'm from the South).

This is just bullshit that the Clinton campaign has put out there to dirty Sanders and his supporters.

[oberliner]

172. Pretty sure you didn't read the article

Might be worth doing.

[melman]

181. I read it

It's bullshit.

[oberliner]

182. The "Mississippi Berning" phrase has been used at DU, in the Bernie Sanders Group

The fact that such a phrase is out there on Twitter as well is pretty easily confirmed.

[seekthetruth]

199. Since when do we judge candidates by their millions of supporters actions?

Makes absolutely no sense, and you don't make sense. We have plenty of nut jobs on all sides. Do you think that just because I support Sanders that I'm a racist, chauvinist male? You don't even know me!

Do I take you for a follower that cannot think for themselves or trusts everything they read? That's how I would perceive someone who trusts Clinton, but I know it's not true because we all have a right to believe in whatever we want, and perfectly intelligent people can make up their own minds. I dont fault you for trusting Hillary because I simply have a disagreement with you. Has nothing to do with you personally. So why lump supporters into a bucket just to say " hey see how horrible that group of people are!" I wouldn't call Hillary violent if her supporters got violent. Ridiculous.

Stop with this idiotic guilty-by-association bullshit. It's fucking old already. I thought we were here to debate issues.

[oberliner]

206. No one should do that

But it's certainly fair to point out that the culture has gotten a little nasty. The article does not purport to claim that Sanders supporters are racist chauvinists, just to recount one African-American woman's personal experiences that she found disturbing. She also, I think, made a reasonable point about why it is problematic (in her view) that so many Sanders supporters dislike Hillary so much that they would withhold their vote for her even if that means helping Trump win the presidency. That's a valid opinion, as it the antithesis.

[seekthetruth]

218. The real issue is

I'm being constantly asked to support a candidate, which in my view/perspective/belief is really no better than Trump, and the outcome of their presidency has the potential to be just as worse...

It's like asking you to support either Trump or Rand Paul (hypothetical, of course).

Two very bad choices and both of which would be mistakes.

Again, my view. Fault me all you want, but that is how I see it and I'm not alone. Honestly, do you see my point?

[oberliner]

220. I do see your point, but I disagree with your premise

If you take one of those surveys that asks you a series of questions about where you stand on different issues and then lists the candidates with whom you most agree, you will find that Bernie and Hillary are generally grouped together (with a few percentage points separating them) since they are on the same side of most issues, whereas someone like Trump and the other Republicans are on the exact opposite side. One example would be climate change, where Trump is officially on record stating that he would rip up the Paris Accord, while both Hillary and Bernie are strong supporters of working to address the problem (not deny it, as Trump and many other Republicans are). The similarities extend to a host of other issues that we often take for granted.

Bernie himself has said that Hillary on her worst day in an infinitely better candidate than any GOper.

[seekthetruth]

226. I agree that Trump and Clinton are, to a degree, polar opposite when it comes to how we tackle..

climate change.

But the root of the problem is not where we get our energy from..... it's the economic policies that drive how we sustain ourselves. Hillary and Trump are both willing to allow capitalist market forces drive the urgent change that is required....but as long as we allow 1) auto makers to produce gas guzzling vehicles, we'll never get the sustainable energy that we need, and 2) oil companies to do business based on profits.

The two go hand in hand. You cannot expect the public to change their habits while constantly bombarding them with marketing to buy and consume more when the companies that profit from such consumption are allowed to do so. We need a drastic, holistic change in our collective behavior, and both Clinton and Trump believe that the market can accomplish that.

Germany is a great example of how publicly controlled businesses can drastically increase the amount of renewable energy that is produced. Do you think Clinton would be onboard with such a transition while taking money from oil companies? I don't think so, hence my hesitation to support her.

We're seeing that it can't.

[Number23]

200. "socialism is getting to the base of our colored brothers and sisters problems"

Your "colored" brothers and sisters are at your utter cluelessness. Seriously.

[arcane1]

128. Trollin' trollin' trollin'....

Keep those trollies trollin....

[jillan]

131. Bernie so racist that the last president of the NAACP endorsed him.

[nc4bo]

133. Have you seen the bigoted, hateful ageism and religious hatred side of HILLARY SUPPORTERS?

I have. Wish I'd saved the link.

Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself and her slimy campaign ethos but she's way too narcissitic and arrogant for that. She should be so ashamed of what some of her supporters have said. She should tell THEM to knock it off but she won't because she IS who and what she IS.

But like candidate, like supporters - no wonder her unfavorables are so terrible awful!!

Sanders is nothing like that. The fact that Hillary and her cabal of cowards are even attempting to smear Sanders like that speaks volumes about her campaign and why she should NOT be potus.

[Blue Meany]

229. Yeah, and no one has even mentioned the word "antisemitism," but day doesn't go by without

allegations of misogyny by Bernie Supporters. But I think Bernie-folk are trying trying not to make hay of these things. Lucy Flores, a Nevada legislator and Bernie supporter, has received death threats and didn't make an issue of it but did speak out against the threats received by Roberta Lange. The woman who was taken off the Clark County Credentials committee at the behest of the Hillary campaign, whose name I've forgotten, mentioned that she had received death threats and that this kind of thing was part of the political culture of the Nevada Democratic party, but was usually only directed at lower level activists. Bernie didn't mention the burglaries of his staff's quarters or a the shot through the window of his headquarters the day he visited until his supporters were accused of being violent. As far as I know, the Sanders campaign has not even mentioned the "Bernie Glow Stick" instructions circulating on social media that could have killed or injured anyone following the instructions.

My view is that Hillary's campaign would have been in front of the cameras getting as much publicity as possible for any one of these events.

[neverforget]

135. Good to see you've taken a break from calling Bernie a communist and a Leninst

and moved on to the racist trope.

[whistler162]

136. Oh boy.... another desperation article!

[PaulaFarrell]

137. This Tumblr Page Is Reposting the Horribly Racist Stuff Hillary Clinton Supporter

This his Tumblr Page Is Reposting the Horribly Racist Stuff Hillary Clinton Supporters Say

http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-racist-sexist-tumblr/

[nc4bo]

139. Thank you- I was scrolling through DU trying to find that mess.

It is now bookmarked.

[liberalnarb]

138. Just when you think the desparation couldn't get any worse.

[Ferd Berfel]

140. More Brock BUllshit

[oberliner]

179. Not at all

The article is very reasonable and includes accurate observation. The title is annoying though.

[workinclasszero]

141. "there are good people and terrible people in both parties

and that Republicans do not have a monopoly on intolerance."

Thats been proven by Sanders and supporters writing off the base voters of the democratic party early in the primary.

[bjo59]

142. This article is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Desperation will do that to the

anti-Bernie crowd.

[oberliner]

178. How so?

The fact that a sizable number of prominent Republicans are willing to lose this election in the name of racial and religious tolerance is actually a jarring contrast to the increasing number of Sanders voters who argue they are willing to forfeit an election to a man many of them consider a racist and xenophobe, one who they know will harm minorities, rather than ever vote for his opponent, a woman they don’t like but who is not Donald Trump.

This is a reasonable observation. There are certainly a fair number of Bernie supporters who say they will never vote for Hillary, even with Trump as the Republican nominee.

[Glamrock]

154. Jesus christ

I'm really beginning to hate myself now. I've recently learned that I'm a misogynist, a Communist, and a someone who believes in unicorns. Now I find out I'm a racist too? Guess there's no point in voting for the white, capitalist lady now.....
Sigh

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

158. You haven't been paying attention. You were declared not only racist, but a full-fledged white

supremacist months ago. By supporting the only 2016 presidential candidate to march for Civil Rights, you are practically declaring yourself a member of the Klu Klux Clan! In fact, Klu Klux Clan members are better than you, because at least they admit they're racists. And, remember, Sanders only supported Civil Rights in the 60s because he had to because he was a liberal!!!!

(Didn't he choose to be a liberal and couldn't he have become a right wing conservative, you may ask. On second thought, No, you may not ask that!! That would make you even more of a racist. Just accept it and join the clan.)

[Glamrock]

190. I don't know if I'm ready to join the clan just yet...

I only just learned of my deep seated hatred for people of color, Muslims, Jews.... Wait a minute, Sanders is Jewish! I'm soooo confused.

[oberliner]

177. The article doesn't say that Bernie Sanders supporters are racist

I wish they hadn't put that title on it. The piece itself is reasonable.

[Smarmie Doofus]

155. This OP itself is racist by definition.

"The Racist Side of Bernie Sanders Supporters."

As though " Bernie Sanders supporters" , as a category, are coming to this campaign with any single , shared motivation. In this case....*racism.* ( Well isn't that special! )

That particular premise is too stupid to argue about but the motivation of the author ( as well as of the OPer) is worthy of speculation.

Except...... that would be.... mmeeeeeeaaaaaannnnn!


>>> I should know. I’m one of them. For having the gall to share my perspective, buoyed by polling data, that self-described socialists are pretty much unelectable to the American presidency, his supporters attempted to harass me offline.>>>>>

The poor thing.

[oberliner]

176. The title does not reflect the content of the article

The article is about an African-American woman responding to comments she got from some Bernie supporters that she found racially insensitive.

But her main point is:

The fact that a sizable number of prominent Republicans are willing to lose this election in the name of racial and religious tolerance is actually a jarring contrast to the increasing number of Sanders voters who argue they are willing to forfeit an election to a man many of them consider a racist and xenophobe, one who they know will harm minorities, rather than ever vote for his opponent, a woman they don’t like but who is not Donald Trump.

Which is a reasonable point, even if you don't agree with it.

[jpmonk91]

156. We are not racists!

[oberliner]

175. Read the article

The title does not accurately reflect the content.

[Betty Karlson]

164. More identity polictics - in the most disingenuous way.

Camp Weathervane is playing with fire here - and I thoroughly disapprove of their arsonism.

[oberliner]

174. That's not what the article is about at all

Did you read it?

[Betty Karlson]

208. I read it, and then I read between the lines.

Don't worry: like Clinton, you can stick your head in the sand and call me an easily duped millennial.

[oberliner]

209. OK

What's your take on the use of "Mississippi Berning" ? Do you think that was racially insensitive?

[Betty Karlson]

211. If you want to talk about insensitive, rather than lamely punning, let's talk about Nancy Reagan

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511483223

[oberliner]

212. That's a great post

I totally understand the anger and offense you expressed in that post about Hillary's comments about Nancy Reagan with respect to AIDS, and her subsequent flimsy apology. She displayed a total lack of sensitivity in that instance, without question.

The article in the OP, though, also raises legitimate points, in my opinion, in terms of "Mississippi Berning" being racially insensitive and potentially offensive to African-Americans.

[Betty Karlson]

213. well, in an ideal world, those words would have been avoided.

But I think the intention behind it was not to offend anyone. The intention was to garner support for Sanders, in much the same way that "California Berning" of "North-Dakota Berning" would (all have the same slogan rhythm). Given Mississippi's history, we all would encourage the Mississippi Berners to find a better slogan - one that emphasizes the inclusiveness of the Sanders campaign.

[oberliner]

215. Fair enough

Generally speaking, I think there can be more sensitivity across the board. It is unfortunate that things have gotten so uncivil among so many supporters of each primary candidate.

[Betty Karlson]

216. Thank you for the civil exchange of views. eom

[B Calm]

167. The only thing racist here is the opening post.

[oberliner]

173. How so?

Did you read the article? If so, what about it is racist?

[Number23]

191. K&R K&R Kick and FUCKING Rec

I have been saying this same thing for months. That black folks caught the unhinged and unrelenting ire of psychotic Sanders supporters before anyone else did. But for some reason, the attacks on black people are getting less discussion than the attacks on women. But they are rooted in the same thing, which is a full bodied and PROFOUND belief in the tenets of white, male superiority in this country.

The author notes that repeatedly. But this bit of her piece:

I have a feeling that whatever the outcome of this election, more minorities have come to realize over the course of this primary season that the word “progressive” is not synonymous with “tolerant.” But perhaps the biggest lesson is that there is no such thing as a specific political party or political label that can save us.

is NOTHING but the truth.

[Starry Messenger]

197. Watching this happen on social media and here has been gutting.

Someone posted an OP today that said that white HRC supporters view themselves as superior white people. I sincerely do not think that is the case, and I would hope no one would ever think of themselves that way.

All whites benefit from privilege. I would like the goal to be that no one white uses their privilege to harass POC and women on social media in the service of *anything*.

[dchill]

201. Racism, sexism and misogyny are real, horrible entities...

Not just tools for Brock and the Brockians. The real hate in this primary is coming from that one-hit wonder sellout band.

[Live and Learn]

202. +10,000 So sad to see people here make a mockery of real injustices just to boost their candidate.

[dchill]

203. They've taken situational ethics to a whole new level.

Evil.

[Live and Learn]

204. Yep and it is disgusting. nt

[Betty Karlson]

214. You forgot homophobia.

[noiretextatique]

205. More of this bullshit. Ask Haitians about the Clintons

Or Hondurans.

[Gothmog]

217. Good article

[ThePhilosopher04]

222. More race-baiting from Clinton fan. You will stop at nothing. GOD DAMN DISGUSTING!

[CorkySt.Clair]

223. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Orsino]

224. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[Attorney in Texas]

225. The Racist Side of Hillary Supporters (and the gall to call Sanders Supporters racist)

link to Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?; excerpt:

The allegation about Obama’s birthplace tracks back to the bruising 2008 Democratic primary between Obama and Clinton. According to a Telegraph article, as early as April 2008, a Clinton supporter passed around an email that questioned where Obama was born.

"Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy," it said. "She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth."... By June 10, 2008, opponents to Obama were posting on a website called Pumaparty.com. PUMA stood for Party Unity My Ass. The website encouraged frustrated Clinton supporters to back the Republican nominee.... a posting on the PUMA website with the heading "Obama May Be Illegal to Be Elected President!" {by} a Clinton volunteer in Texas, Linda Starr, played a key role in spreading the rumor.

Starr connected with Pennsylvania attorney Philip Berg in August and Berg followed up by suing in federal court to block Obama’s nomination. The suit was thrown out repeatedly on the grounds that Berg lacked standing and the U.S. Supreme Court ultimately refused to hear his appeal.... We should note that the birther rumor is distinct from the myth about Obama’s religion, which is what got the ball rolling at the Trump event in New Hampshire.... It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama.

link to Hillary Clinton Campaign Spread Obama Muslim Rumors, Says Former Aide Reggie Love; excerpt:

A former personal aide to United States President Barack Obama said Monday that false rumors he was a Muslim were "moved along" by Hillary Clinton staffers in 2008. ... One of Kilmeade's questions to Love revolved around an excerpt from his book, “Power Forward: My Presidential Education,” which chronicles Obama's rise to president. Love wrote about a moment on the tarmac at the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in 2007 where Clinton approached Obama to apologize for a staffer who suggested Obama was a drug user and seller.

Obama "very respectfully told her the apology was kind, but largely meaningless, given the emails it was rumored her camp had been sending out labeling him as a Muslim. Before he could finish his sentence, she exploded on Obama. In a matter of seconds, she went from composed to furious," according to a Washington Post excerpt from the book. Love described it as the moment Obama -- who is a Christian -- knew he would win the Democratic nomination for president..... “For then-Sen. Obama, the campaign trail had been very challenging for him, and one of the things I don’t think he expected was in the Democratic primary there would have been as much smearing, as you want to call it, and going after people's credibility and who they are as a person with information that is a little less than accurate," Love said.

link to Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear; excerpt:

Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.

Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.... The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.

The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were {Clinton}?"

link to Hillary: Obama Not Muslim “As Far As I Know”; video:

link to Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007; excerpt:

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007: More than anything else, this memo captures the full essence of Mark Penn's campaign strategy ... breathtaking attacks. Penn ... wrote, "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values." Penn proposed targeting Obama's "lack of American roots."

[stranger81]

228. I see your separate thread on this just got hidden.

Double standards, alive and well on DU.