Bernie agreed to appear on Fox News to coordinate attacks against Hillary with Fox and Trump

[Renew Deal]

That's all the "debate" was about. Sanders was going to team up with Trump to attack Hillary. And best of all, Fox News was going to facilitate it all.

Once again I ask, whose side is Bernie on?

EDIT: I told you so...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512060269

[Matt_in_STL]

1. Link? Quote?

Or just making shit up?

[thesquanderer]

24. I'll take door number three. (n/t)

[LoverOfLiberty]

92. This is pretty telling

Bernie Sanders, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch

[Matt_in_STL]

95. That says nothing about coordinating with Trump

Fail

[LoverOfLiberty]

98. It says that Sanders is going scorched Earth

A lot of us didn't want to believe it but this debate debacle is pretty indicative of inflicting maximum damage on Hillary and the Democratic Party.

[CanadaexPat]

100. When he's says Trump is more qualified than

Clinton, you can complain.


Oh, hold it, you can't even then.

[One Black Sheep]

3. Wow, the spin is making me dizzy

[Turin_C3PO]

4. Why do you say that?

If a debate were to occur, Sanders would take down Trump based on Trump's foolishness. He would never coordinate with that vulgar fool to take down Clinton.

[Renew Deal]

7. Sanders and Trump have a common opponent.

So if Trump attacked Hillary, would Bernie defend her?

[Turin_C3PO]

13. I can't say for sure

but I think he would. Well whatever the case, no debate is going to occur between Trump and Sanders anyway.

[cali]

19. Absolutely.

[oberliner]

62. Trump has attacked Hillary and Bernie hasn't defended her

So I am not sure why you are saying "absolutely" here.

[cali]

65. And what on earth would be the proper venue for that?

Hillary hasn't defended Sanders against trump either and not only wouldn't I expect it in the context of the primary to date, I think it would be odd. How and when would one even raise the issue? It would be out of the blue.


I say absolutely because I know him.

[oberliner]

88. Bernie's recent speeches have had a section going after Trump and one going after Hillary

In the section where he talks about Trump, he could specifically make a point of saying that the comments Trump has made about Hillary have been over the line and/or inappropriate.

To my ear, it seems like Bernie, at his most recent rallies, has spent more time on the going after Hillary section than the going after Trump section. Certainly the former seems to get a stronger crowd response than the latter. That's why I don't think he would absolutely defend her against his attacks. Maybe a quick dismissive remark and then pivot to what he wants to talk about.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[cali]

107. Bias would be my answer to that.

[oberliner]

113. Meaning it only seems that way to me because I am biased?

That is certainly possible. I will try to watch a recent Bernie speech as objectively as I can and see if I can catch myself from misrepresenting anything based on any conscious or subconscious bias. I hope that isn't the case, but you might be right.

[forjusticethunders]

121. This bears emphasis

"To my ear, it seems like Bernie, at his most recent rallies, has spent more time on the going after Hillary section than the going after Trump section. Certainly the former seems to get a stronger crowd response than the latter."

[AgingAmerican]

78. When Trump attacks Sanders, does Hillary defend him?

[oberliner]

89. I have made no claim that she does or would

I was responding to the claim that Sanders would absolutely defend Hillary against Trump's attacks. I don't know that I would assert that so confidently.

[Exilednight]

21. Hillary is big enough to defend herself. why should it be Bernie's job?

[pandr32]

40. I certainly hope he would deflect immediately

He is not going to be the nominee, and if he engaged in any smearing of Hillary at all with Trump he will ostracize himself in the Senate when he returns. He has already crossed his own line that he drew in the beginning of his campaign due to his zeal to win. His attacks against her have hurt his credibility. He will be returning to the Senate already on thin ice, and his colleagues will be paying attention to how he behaves from now on.

[scscholar]

64. Except Bernie has never been with the Party

He just used us to get our money. He will hurt the party in this debate which excludes women.

[AgingAmerican]

79. Excludes women? She backed out.

[arcane1]

86. You really do suck at this. Don't quit your day job.

[timmymoff]

120. I do not feel used about donating to Sanders

But I can positively say I wouldn't donate to the DNC. They've screwed shit up for to long to get anymore of my money.

[840high]

127. She excluded herself. Where the

hell do you come up with this.

[TheBlackAdder]

5. The psychodynamics of this campaign, and those who follow it, are just getting weirder by the day.

[Gothmog]

6. If Sanders does this debate, he will be burning bridges with a number of groups

[barrow-wight]

33. And filling the rivers with poisonous acid.

[AgingAmerican]

80. What groups are those? Hillary supporters?

[insta8er]

8. Miss Cleo's

[bkkyosemite]

9. Bull Shit - lots of it going on here today.

[Renew Deal]

14. Is he going to Fox to talk about how great Hillary is?

Will he disagree with any criticism from the moderators or Trump?

[cali]

20. Yes. After 30 years, I know how Bernie operates.

[AgingAmerican]

83. Is that what you expect her Democratic opponent to do?

Wax endlessly on how wonderful she is?

Do you realize the absurdity of what you are suggesting?

[Renew Deal]

91. Nope. You just confirmed my point.

[AgingAmerican]

99. So the point of bernie debating is to defend Hillary?

Wow. You are hopelessly naive as to the machinations of the political world

[Renew Deal]

101. That's funny because we agree

He will not defend her. I guess we are hopelessly naive.

[AgingAmerican]

114. It's not his job to defend her, just as she wouldn't defend him

Naive

[Renew Deal]

115. I agree

[840high]

129. Why would he lie?

[Jack Bone]

11. he's on my side!

[beachbumbob]

12. I figure foxnews is paying sanders..he is real piece of work

Lack of class is appalling

[Matt_in_STL]

15. Any proof of this coordination?

Or should we just consider this talking out of your ass?

[Matt_in_STL]

69. And you have hit the Daily Double!

[Renew Deal]

119. Weaver said they were coordinating with Trump tonight on MSNBC

And this debate is slated for Fox. So yes there is proof. Weaver admitted it.

[Matt_in_STL]

124. There is proof that Fox is paying him?

I get it. I understand your lies. You learn it from you queen.

[Renew Deal]

125. Moving the goalposts?

You asked if there was proof of coordination. I proved that there was. I never said anything about him getting paid from Fox, though I'm sure he'll use the opportunity to fundraise.

And it is no lie that money he raised has gone to family. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money

[Matt_in_STL]

132. Read the post to which I was responding

It was alleged Fox News is paying Bernie. I asked for proof of this coordination.

There, now you are caught up.

[Renew Deal]

134. Thanks

[yodermon]

16. cite or stfu. n/t

[hollowdweller]

17. I think you are wrong. Trump is going to run to the left of Hillary. Warren and Sanders

Who are unquestionably economic progressives are attacking him on his credibility on that in a way that Clinton is unable to do because of her own complicity with Wall Street.

Here is the territory Trump is staking out.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-gop-workers-party-223598

[yeoman6987]

39. Oh he has Hillary on trade and Iraq for sure.

We need Bernie.

[cali]

18. That is such an insane claim that it really doesn't deserve

anything beyond scorn.

[B Calm]

22. This OP is over the top! Surprised it's not been hidden.

[Jester Messiah]

27. Why hide it? You can't buy entertainment like this! n/t

[B Calm]

28. So true.

[vintx]

57. lol no shit!

[Buddyblazon]

23. Do you have proof...

Or is this your own conspiracy theory?

[B Calm]

25. +1

[Jester Messiah]

26. Wow, the paranoia over there is really starting to bite, huh? n/t

[Renew Deal]

44. Tell me again how it is a rigged system?

[Jester Messiah]

46. For that, I'll have to redirect you...

To the office of the DNC chair.

[Renew Deal]

47. Or right back to Trump

He agrees with Bernie strangely enough.

[barrow-wight]

29. And Fox News is now a go to source here.

The Right has spent years nurturing conservative spin sources like Fox and claiming that the "msm" are rife with progressive spin. When people on this site start holding them up as a source for truth in the face of the rest of the media, they're simply emboldening the superiority of Right Wing positions and spin. It's so disappointing to me that Bernie has become worth aligning with the Right in this way. It's all horseshoe theory, though I'm starting to think even the horseshoe doesn't describe how close these extremes actually touch.

[Matt_in_STL]

32. Speaking from your 9 days of experience here?

Now if I could only find my shoes...

[barrow-wight]

34. One doesn't have to have an account to read this site.

[Matt_in_STL]

35. From "just reading" for what must have been a while

To 341 posts in 9 days. You must have just been holding it all back.

[B Calm]

36. Good catch. +1

[barrow-wight]

37. Ka Ching!

I couldn't see the point of actually posting till o got offered money to.

[uppityperson]

70. Aw, come on. They've only gotten 3 hidden posts in their 9 days.

[arcane1]

51. Go wash your socks, they stink n/t

[barrow-wight]

53. Hahahhahahah

Hey get it right. I'm a troll not a sock.

[charlyvi]

52. + i kazillion

Just because you registered recently doesn't mean you're automatically wrong. I too am amazed at the right wing sources currently being used on this site. The Daily Caller (Tucker fucking Carlson) The Washington times (Sun Myung Moon), Fox, The Blaze and Breitbart News!!!! Breitbart!!! I can't wait for this primary to be over.

[barrow-wight]

56. Yep.

It's unbelievable. And the justifications are even more so. One Fox post was prefaced on how the reporter had donated part of her liver, or was it kidney. Maybe it was the skin off her nose. I can't remember but in any event it had nothing to do with her integrity as a journalist.

And as for longevity here, that's even weirder. It's like people think folks don't have political opinions till they sign up.

[charlyvi]

68. The longevity thing is also hypocritical

If you look at the profiles of the most strident, many of them joined up recently. Like April or May. AgaIn, that doesn't make them wrong, just new.

[barrow-wight]

75. I've noticed that as well.

It doesn't bother me. I love that they think I'm a Brock troll because, in the story they've concocted in their minds, I'm making money doing this and they're just sitting there having to shill their candidate for free. Whether the story's true or not, it still burns.

[AgingAmerican]

30. Did it take you all night to dream this whopper up?

Someone is actually paying for this nonsense?

[jillan]

31. Where did you pull that one from?

It seems that some of you have no filter and just post any thoughts that cross your mind.

[still_one]

38. There is a real question whether this will happen or not. This article discusses it

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/26/11783132/trump-sanders-debate

[floriduck]

41. Now that there is funny. No really.

[Vinca]

42. Bernie wants to debate Trump.

If he could pull off a major smack down it would send a clear message that Hillary is the wrong candidate to run in this year's general election.

[ymetca]

81. Yep

Which of course terrifies the HRC tribe

[MariaThinks]

43. Yes he was. And those asking for links aren't reading the news or something else.

[Hekate]

45. Survived an alert 6-1

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[Renew Deal]

58. That's funny

I try hard not to personally attack. If unsubstantiated flame bait was banned this place would be boring.

[The_Casual_Observer]

48. If anybody thinks a "debate" like that would

Not Devolve into a Hillary bash fest is out of their mind.

Fortunately Trump has no intention of doing this.

[Herman4747]

49. Now could Bernie possibly be wanting to....

...expose Trump supporters to a new set of plans and ideas???

[arcane1]

50. You used to be so credible. What happened?

It's a damn shame. Maybe I just imagined you had credibility

[Renew Deal]

60. Thanks, I think.

They're not all going to be gems.

[vintx]

63. I had the same thought...

It's one thing seeing batshit posts from obvious trolls... when it's longtime DUers who seemed reasonable before it just makes you sad.

[EndElectoral]

54. Most absurd op ever posted here.

[Renew Deal]

59. Ever? You weren't here for the corn flake chicken wars.

[vintx]

66. lol, the lounge doesn't count!

I'd use 'i don't drink with you'

[amborin]

55. outrageous smear of Bernie, but not really surprising

[lunamagica]

61. I don't know if this is true, but I find amusing that the Sanders camp is demanding proof,

when everyday here they are posting all kinds of accusations against Hillary without any proof whatsoever.

You guys can sure dish it out by the ton, but can't take any of it.

[emulatorloo]

71. Asinine and baseless charges. Recommend that you self delete.

[Renew Deal]

73. Sorry, no

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512060269

[Renew Deal]

72. How else to say I told you so than....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512060269

Oh the poutrage!

[imagine2015]

74. If Bernie refuses to debate Trump, the Hillaryites will say he's afraid to debate Trump!

[tonyt53]

76. More clear every day that Bernie isn't taking sides, he is one one side and that is his own.

He seems to like to hear himself talk.

[morningfog]

77. Bullshit.

[bjo59]

82. The link you provided proves nothing more than your own post does... which is nothing.

[Actor]

84. That is nonsense. You dont help the need to come together with this crap.

Bernie would do the debate so he could expose Trump for the horrible person he is.

[Renew Deal]

94. Wonderful

What happens when Trump attacks Hillary?

a) Agree
b) Pile on
c) Say nothing
d) Counter it and undermine his campaign

Which do you think it would be?

[Actor]

96. I am lost here, I really am. I am a liberal, I support the candidate on the left no matter who

and I work to elect them.

Some are more left than others, sure.

I think any person from the right is destructive and to be opposed.

Bernie and Hillary are both to be supported and Trump is to be opposed as if life itself depended on it.

[Renew Deal]

103. I agree

[Dem2]

85. This is all silly

I think I'm gonna trash all these 'debate' threads unless something of substance surfaces.

[Bill USA]

87. you can rationalize anything when you're a True Believer!

[Bill USA]

90. Bernie Sanders is Switching Teams

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2060269

[jpmonk91]

93. What a stupid post

You would have to be an idiot to believe that Bernie is teaming up with trump.

[Renew Deal]

104. Here's a question for you

What does Bernie do when Trump attacks Hillary in the debate?

a) Agree
b) Pile on
c) Say nothing
d) Counter it and undermine his campaign

Which do you think it would be?

[jpmonk91]

106. We don't have to like her either!

[Renew Deal]

108. So you're incapable of serious discussion.

[jpmonk91]

111. I will have a serious discussion

When you bring up a serious issue

[Renew Deal]

118. I forgot. Bernie shall not be questioned.

[Saviolo]

109. e) Pivot away to an actual issue

As he did in the earlier primary debates when people brought up Hillary's emails, and he said, "Let's not talk about that, I'm sick of hearing about your emails!"

He doesn't care about that shit, he wants to pivot away from it and talk about the issues.

[Renew Deal]

117. C and E are the same.

But I don't think you're wrong.

[Saviolo]

122. I think you are wrong

Piling on is different from saying "Baiting me on Hillary is irrelevant, here's the issue we should be talking about."

[Renew Deal]

123. SORRY. I meant c.

Always pick C.

[Cobalt Violet]

97. You're as bad a liar as she.

[Renew Deal]

102. What is the lie?

How can an opinion be a lie?

[99Forever]

105. Bullshit.

Same shit-stirrer, different day.

[TomJulie]

110. We Must Win...

I'm for Hillary, and believes Bernie should step aside for the sake of the Party. But, if some unexpected event happens and Bernie does end up with the nomination, I'll be a biggest Bernie fan you'll see. Until then, it's Hillary all the way.

Yesterday, I think it was, when coming home from work I had the radio on and during the top of the hour news was something about Biden getting into the race. WTF?? I have heard the scenario if Hillary gets indicted Biden will jump into the arena, before. I like Biden a LOT. He's smart and knows how the game is played. At this stage it's too late and it's just not his time.

[Logical]

112. Wow, are you full of crap! You hill fans are looking like nuts. nt

[840high]

126. Paranoid much?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

128. Hillary should demand that Bernie debate her and defend himself!!

Oh, wait, she's afraid to debate Bernie..

[ecstatic]

130. He's either a useful naive idiot or full of shit.

Neither option is good.

[Number23]

133. Yep. He's either willing to toss all protocol and convention in the trash to debate Trump

so that his ailing campaign could get a last, desperate dash of publicity or he's been duped by Donald FUCKING Trump.

Like you said, neither option is good.