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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:19 PM May 2016

Al Sharpton Calls Out Bernie Campaign Manager: You Didn’t Win Black Voters ‘Even In The North’

by Tommy Christopher

One of the issues that has dogged independent Vermont Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has been his persistently low support among black voters, which the campaign has explained as a function of factors including Hillary Clinton‘s “relationship” with the black community, her support with older black voters, and the need for black voters to get to know Sanders better.

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Rev. Al Sharpton asked campaign manager Jeff Weaver about Sanders’ anemic support with black voters, and Weaver noted that Hillary did very well in early states, but countered that Sanders “has been doing better and better with African-American voters as this process has gone along.

Weaver: Especially early on, Reverend Sharpton, when we were competing in the southern states early on. He was not as well known and the Secretary has a deep roots in the South. She was first lady of Arkansas for a dozen years and first lady of the United States. As the campaign has gone along and we moved more north where the Secretary and Bill Clinton did not have as deep political roots, Bernie Sanders has done better and better with African-American voters and Latino voters.

Sharpton: Let’s be real clear, you did not win the African-American vote, even in the North.


Sharpton is correct, but even Weaver’s claim that Bernie Sanders is “doing better and better” with black voters is incorrect. According to Reuters, Bernie has lost more than 7 points to Hillary Clinton with black voters in the past month, and even with the group Weaver cited, black voters under age 49, Clinton has widened her lead by almost six points since April. Sanders still holds a seven-point lead with black voters under age 35.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/al-sharpton-calls-out-bernie-campaign-manager-you-didnt-win-black-voters-even-in-the-north/
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Al Sharpton Calls Out Bernie Campaign Manager: You Didn’t Win Black Voters ‘Even In The North’ (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2016 OP
Reccing with the fury of a thousand suns. forjusticethunders May 2016 #1
... Because you believe in uniting the party rather than dividing by racial lines, of course. JudyM May 2016 #7
This useless response is an insult Spacedog1973 May 2016 #12
It's one thing to not get the votes, it's quite another to have aspersions cast about racism. JudyM May 2016 #13
You don't get to decide what is racism Spacedog1973 May 2016 #16
I don't know who the hell you are. I do know your vitriol is not something I care to engage further JudyM May 2016 #17
You are on a forum Spacedog1973 May 2016 #18
love that --its got spirit. riversedge May 2016 #27
And caucuses, which suppress the vote, are the only reason Sanders is still around. Garrett78 May 2016 #2
Relax Al. You do not have to vote for him! oldandhappy May 2016 #3
I wonder how much Foundation money Rev Al gets. HooptieWagon May 2016 #4
Hopefully enough to pay his taxes.... Yurovsky May 2016 #8
"Anyone who disagrees with or doesn't vote for Sanders is a paid shill" forjusticethunders May 2016 #10
Good answer. JudyM May 2016 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #5
"We moved more north where the Secretary and Bill Clinton did not have as deep political roots" TwilightZone May 2016 #6
Bernie has the momentum firebrand80 May 2016 #9
Genuine LOL here from that. TYVM! nt BobbyDrake May 2016 #32
What did Sharpton say that wasn't true? UMTerp01 May 2016 #11
Ouch. nt LexVegas May 2016 #14
Hey Al? Hillary's got nothin' for ya. A stepping stone is all you are. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #15
The Democratic Party establishment has already helped him make a lot of money. He owes them. imagine2015 May 2016 #21
He never chose either. hrmjustin May 2016 #25
Let's be real clear. Sharpton didn't say what you claim he said in your caption. imagine2015 May 2016 #20
Emphasis on blacks wearying. Country made up of many ethhnicities, races, etc. snowy owl May 2016 #22
Al Sharpton ?????!!!! I'll pass. nt clarice May 2016 #23
Weaver, you are just getting embarrassing. Starry Messenger May 2016 #24
Hillary panders... leftinportland May 2016 #26
go back to redstate forjusticethunders May 2016 #34
Careful who you call a fake progressive... leftinportland May 2016 #35
Harsh Bern! bravenak May 2016 #28
I'm approaching that cold day. mmonk May 2016 #29
It is a ridiculous argument they've been making mcar May 2016 #30
I think a bit of questioning is starting to happen. NCTraveler May 2016 #31
That's what Bernie gets for dismissing the first African American President thelordofhell May 2016 #33
Sanders has not won the black vote... ANYWHERE. North, South, East or West Number23 May 2016 #36

Spacedog1973

(221 posts)
12. This useless response is an insult
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

'Being divisive' about race, is a typical response of people who don't like race being raised as a valid critique, which becomes especially misplaced of a campaign that claims to have made special effort to do so. Bernie's campaign and its supporters claimed to value minority voters and their interests, but failed to claim a meaningful proportion of their vote.

For a campaign and supporters who wanted to reach out, this failing requires some reflection, not knee jerk denial - especially if this failure to bring in black voters meant anything other than simply votes.

Spacedog1973

(221 posts)
16. You don't get to decide what is racism
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:09 PM
May 2016

just because you have extra special frail feelings.

Al Sharpton was calling out the campaign's reach to Black Americans. Its true that they failed. That is in no way a racist remark.

There is something markedly Freudian about how quickly your defences come up regarding racism. You are certainly not alone with this. But your feelings aren't so important that a conversation needs to be shaped by how fragile they are.

Do you agree or not with Al Sharpton? If not, why not? Are you capable of conversation.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
17. I don't know who the hell you are. I do know your vitriol is not something I care to engage further
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

with.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
2. And caucuses, which suppress the vote, are the only reason Sanders is still around.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

Caucuses have enabled Sanders to overcome - to an extent - his very poor showing among POC.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

TwilightZone

(25,467 posts)
6. "We moved more north where the Secretary and Bill Clinton did not have as deep political roots"
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

Right, like New York.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
20. Let's be real clear. Sharpton didn't say what you claim he said in your caption.
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

Nice try to spin and twist Sharpton's words to misrepresent what was actually said.

Well, not really that nice or effective. But, you're not a pro at that sort of thing.

Sharpton didn't say Bernie "didn't win Black Voters Even in the North" as you claimed.

Sharpton did say "you did not win the African-American vote, even in the North." meaning of course that Hillary got a larger percentage of the total African-American vote than Bernie.

And Sharpton did not even respond to much less "call out" and challenge Bernie's campaign manager statement that Bernie "has been doing better and better with African-American voters as this process has gone along."

That's absolutely true. In fact, Bernie began to win most of the Black youth vote in later primaries.

SPIN! SPIN! SPIN!

I think you need to work a little harder on your old method spin techniques. You'll never get a campaign job unless you improve your spinning. It's not just the quantity of spins that can land you a job, it's the quality of your spinning.

You're clearly an amateur.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
22. Emphasis on blacks wearying. Country made up of many ethhnicities, races, etc.
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

I don't care if he won majority of blacks esp when it comes from an establishment MSNBC ex-host trying to keep that big paycheck.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
34. go back to redstate
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

that goes for all you other fake progressives who use right wing dogwhistles to address race.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
35. Careful who you call a fake progressive...
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

What do you call showing up in black churches on Sunday before Election Day giving their best stump speech...how about an editorial in a prominent American Jewish newspaper full of pro Israel Likud speak, or misrepresenting their opponents immigration record to Hispanic Americans...all examples of Hillary pandering, her identity political style is driving a huge wedge between Democratic constituencies and is why every day it becomes harder and harder to accept her as our nominee...I pray the prize goes to another.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. I think a bit of questioning is starting to happen.
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

Some Sanders supporters are taking it as a personal shot but when worded properly it clearly isn't. No ones will would be subverted to as great of a degree as the AA community. The talk of flipping voters is a bit cringeworthy when certain oppressed groups so clearly voted in one direction.

I have made no commentary here for the reasons why people are voting the way they are.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
33. That's what Bernie gets for dismissing the first African American President
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

First one down is Sanders

Next one down is trump

Clinton/Warren 2016

Number23

(24,544 posts)
36. Sanders has not won the black vote... ANYWHERE. North, South, East or West
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

The truth hurts like hell but it is what it is.

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