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VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:38 PM May 2016

I keep noticing the same people reaching and trying to divide on behalf of Hillary.

What was that phrase, "Disqualify, Destroy, Unite Later"? Something like that? I don't remember, I tend to mentally purge the idiocy I read nowadays but-- with this latest spate of dredging up imagined sexism, A LOT of people tilting at windmills(when Clinton denied Bernie's request to debate, what the hell was he supposed to do, sit there, stay silent, and subsequently lose California? Wait, I'm talking to plutocratic corporatists, he's supposed to live beneath the boot of the oligarchs) where all that exists to threaten them are clouds.

Good luck uniting the party. You'll need it.

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I keep noticing the same people reaching and trying to divide on behalf of Hillary. (Original Post) VulgarPoet May 2016 OP
They are making the party look bad RobertEarl May 2016 #1
Bernie is on a kamikaze mission to destroy the Democratic Party Zorro May 2016 #49
Yeah, uhuh, sure.. AgingAmerican May 2016 #51
This is so true! nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #64
such an alarmist larkrake May 2016 #77
Bernie is on a kamikaze mission to save the Democratic Party. Evidence inside. highprincipleswork May 2016 #79
No one holds a candle to Sanders supporters when it comes to division. Trust Buster May 2016 #2
I've seen you be an apologist for republican policies and the way some of us in here timmymoff May 2016 #15
Speaking to a mirror, are you? NV Whino May 2016 #18
Sure I can. seekthetruth May 2016 #38
Get this; get this. VulgarPoet May 2016 #45
They are very brave Fairgo May 2016 #3
Y'know I got a hide for pointing that out? VulgarPoet May 2016 #4
I've had two posts hidden for pointing that out. QC May 2016 #6
They threw a pity party. A pity party for an anti-semite. VulgarPoet May 2016 #7
It's disgusting Bluenorthwest May 2016 #12
When people only think in terms of personalities, QC May 2016 #13
The pity party is the big pay off. Fairgo May 2016 #14
Perverse, obscene theater at the expense of an entire race. VulgarPoet May 2016 #19
My only hide - for pointing out Hillary supporters anti-semitism Arazi May 2016 #25
One of my hides was for likening one of them to a Stormfront poster. VulgarPoet May 2016 #27
Thanks for your OP Poet Arazi May 2016 #31
i had a post mocking their anti-semitism hidden over the weekend. frylock May 2016 #68
I saw that. Totally transparent, QC May 2016 #72
I got a hide last night for asking why she's letting republicans raise money for her. onecaliberal May 2016 #33
Definitely see that strategy from the Bernie supporters Dem2 May 2016 #5
this is unifying bigtree May 2016 #8
I gave up on any hope for that sometime back in March. VulgarPoet May 2016 #9
Since you belive votes don't matter, stop complaining. procon May 2016 #17
Put them on ignore, then emulatorloo May 2016 #10
Somehow, they keep getting off-- VulgarPoet May 2016 #22
^^^This^^^ onecaliberal May 2016 #35
Seriously. At this point, I'm just adding everyone from that group to my ignore VulgarPoet May 2016 #40
There will be no more group. It will be a purge anyway onecaliberal May 2016 #41
That's why I'm doing it now. VulgarPoet May 2016 #43
I have hundreds of them on ignore and they keep showing up again anyway. onecaliberal May 2016 #44
I honestly thoguht I was going crazy or losing my memory for a moment there VulgarPoet May 2016 #46
You're not losing your mind. Several have noticed. onecaliberal May 2016 #53
Small comforts, now the real question has become "Why?" VulgarPoet May 2016 #55
Ask the people who own the site. I'm sure they know all about it. onecaliberal May 2016 #56
No doubt... VulgarPoet May 2016 #57
Exactly. We are certainly living in interesting times. onecaliberal May 2016 #62
Thanks! I never thought of saging a computer! I don't get the egg reference, though. merrily May 2016 #47
It's closer to Santeria than Wicca, but I tend to blend traditions. VulgarPoet May 2016 #48
What do you do with the eggs? merrily May 2016 #60
It's kinda like a spiritual cleansing thing. VulgarPoet May 2016 #67
Kind of like a crystal cleanse. I went through a phase of putting crystals in a bowl of merrily May 2016 #69
Some congregations do. VulgarPoet May 2016 #71
I have beltanefauve May 2016 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #50
Block, rinse, repeat. VulgarPoet May 2016 #52
I keep noticing the same people reaching and trying to divide on behalf of Bernie. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #11
Have you noticed some of the leftynyc May 2016 #16
We have more than a few selective readers here. grossproffit May 2016 #20
It is sickening. B Calm May 2016 #21
So it is fine for Sanders supporter to diss per your post... seabeyond May 2016 #23
I personally don't give a good goddamn what you all do anymore, really. VulgarPoet May 2016 #24
See, there you go. You do not give a good goddamn. Which is pretty clear to us, as you lecture seabeyond May 2016 #59
no reason for hillary to debate, she has had the nomination sown up for better than a month beachbum bob May 2016 #26
About those "debates". Just because Bernie wants it, doesn't mean he gets his way. tonyt53 May 2016 #28
No: apparently just because Hillary Clinton commits to something doesn't mean voters shouldexpect JonLeibowitz May 2016 #34
I suspect she's every bit as committed to her new-found progressive positions QC May 2016 #75
Many of them have been flagged for review. B Calm May 2016 #29
One of the more beligerant ones has 25 hides, last time I checked AgingAmerican May 2016 #54
I believe Hillary supporters believe Bernie needs to be brought to heel. EndElectoral May 2016 #30
I believe it. VulgarPoet May 2016 #32
Third Way lives by the principle Beowulf May 2016 #39
Wasn't that an original quote? VulgarPoet May 2016 #42
Where else.are.they gonna go SwampG8r May 2016 #82
Condescending paranoia Dem2 May 2016 #36
Yes, I have noticed. SamKnause May 2016 #37
I keep hearing the same meme from Clinton supporters: bonemachine May 2016 #58
"That's sexist." VulgarPoet May 2016 #81
Oh the drama. JoePhilly May 2016 #61
Much like you are doing with the OP-- a veneer of unity covering discord and division. LanternWaste May 2016 #63
... LexVegas May 2016 #65
K&R dchill May 2016 #66
Your post serves as a shining example of the kindness, compassion, and building up to which we PeaceNikki May 2016 #70
If Bernie DOESN'T do it, somebody will. BootinUp May 2016 #73
Divide what? Demsrule86 May 2016 #74
Well bless their hearts larkrake May 2016 #76
You hate all of us? What have we done to deserve your hate? rbrnmw May 2016 #78
It's not hate; but derision and mild disgust at this point. VulgarPoet May 2016 #80
Speaking of dividing... VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #84
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. They are making the party look bad
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

But then their same old style of politics they exhibit has turned away so many in the past. Our revolution will change that. We will remake the Democratic party in to the best it has ever been.

Zorro

(15,685 posts)
49. Bernie is on a kamikaze mission to destroy the Democratic Party
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

Bernie and Jane Sanders: The Democratic Party’s Thelma and Louise

Now we are forced to ask whether Bernie Sanders has decided he wants to destroy the Democratic Party. I’m sure he would say he wants to save it. The way we saved villages in Vietnam. You know the quote.

I don’t allege that he decided to run as a Democrat for this reason. He did so, I’m told by those who’d know, because he did not want to be the 21st-century Ralph Nader and because he knew that running against Hillary Clinton would give him a much bigger stage on which to inveigh against the parasites.

That was then. But now, after the Nevada fracas and his gobsmacking statement in the wake of it, it’s remorselessly clear that he wants to obliterate the Democratic Party. Revolutions take on lives of their own. Robespierre never thought back in 1790 or ’91 that the guillotine would be needed. But as the dialecticians like to say, historical circumstances change. By 1793, those little sheep who’d been misled by sellouts like Danton were part of the…corrupt establishment.

Consider the statement. Have you read it? You must. Remember the context: It had just been revealed, only hours before, that his supporters had hurled abominable epithet at Nevada Democratic Chairwoman Roberta Lange, threatening death and calling her a “c--t.” That word, especially thrown at a woman, crosses an obvious line.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/19/bernie-and-jane-sanders-the-democratic-party-s-thelma-and-louise.html

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
79. Bernie is on a kamikaze mission to save the Democratic Party. Evidence inside.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

You want to see the results of Clinton style regressive, triangulating, suck up to Republican values politics? Check out this chart of majorities in Congress, and notice that from the time of FDR on, for decades, the Democrats held majorities in Congress, with very few exceptions.

When did this end? The triangulating second term of Bill Clinton.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

How consistent has it been since then with triangulation and so forth? Very bad, very spotty, except with the arrival of Barack Obama. When did it fuck up again? Obama's second term, after he had already shown a weak hand on a number of Progressive promises he had made.

I know some will be up in arms over this last comment, but look at the results.

You don't get good results out of a Democratic base and those who think like them, which polls say are the majority of Americans, by sucking up to the ghost of Ronald Reagan. If the Democratic Party can get their head out of that ass, they will do alright. If they continue to be regressive and Republican light, this is going to be a tough year defeating Donald Trump.

Yes, I think Bernie represents our best chance. But at least acknowledge he is trying to hold the Democrats to Democratic values, and for some reason a whole lot of you are advocating for values that are a whole lot less Democratic, at least in the best of most Liberal sense of the word.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. No one holds a candle to Sanders supporters when it comes to division.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

You can't call Hillary supporters Republicans, corporatists, Third Wayers and paid Brock operatives just to expect sugar in return. I'll tell you what I tell the Right wing on another site. DON'T ENDLESSLY PROVOKE AND ATTACK IF CAN DO NOTHING BUT PLAY THE VICTIM WHEN THE FAVOR IS RETURNED. Life is simple, it's people that make it more complex than it need be.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
15. I've seen you be an apologist for republican policies and the way some of us in here
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

spoke of republicans. So get off your high horse acting like you are someone seeking great unity when most of the shit you spew is apologetic bullshit for conservative policies and stances. As far as anyone " playing the victim" I'd say Hillary has done it quite well most of her career.

In the 90's she complained about a vast right wing conspiracy, (partially lead by David Brock) so what does our victim do? Hires the guy who slandered her for a decade.. bravo way to show you principles. She blamed the Iraq war vote on dubya being misleading, not thinking about her long speech in support of it. She refers to wars as " business opportunities" votes for them but plays the victim.

Earlier in the campaign when Bernie stated, " we can shout about guns all we want but without a solution it will get us nowhere." Hillary spun that into sexism as " a woman shouting " Stop spreading your crocodile tears and false narratives every time you get a sad. It's tiring and Hillary supporters are actually the one weakening her candidacy. Like her, her supporters continually play the victim as well. Seems to me you guys say little and stand for even less. Kind of sad considering she is supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread and can't handle Trump ( former Hillary donor) or Bernie (74 year old crackpot to Hillary supporters) . what exactly does that say?

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
38. Sure I can.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

Someone on here called Snowden an absolute traitor.

Now, if I were on a Republican site I could see that.....but this is supposed to be a progressive, liberal site yes?

Just shows you how far right the Democratic Party and many of its adherents have swayed.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
45. Get this; get this.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

General Petraeus and Hillary Clinton can cavort around with TS and higher material, and at MOST, get a slap on the wrist.

Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning release information about the fucked up things our military and alphabet soup agencies have been doing, and all of a sudden the rules flip and they're traitors and need to be hung.

Go fuckin' figure, right?

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
3. They are very brave
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:44 PM
May 2016

Unfortunately they have a knack for revealing the deeply antisemitic origins of their reasoning when they are in full dudgeon. It's a bit disturbing that they are allowed to come back time and time again.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
4. Y'know I got a hide for pointing that out?
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

Racists don't change their stripes, I learned enough of that, and a lot of people on this site honestly make me ashamed of my own blood.

QC

(26,371 posts)
6. I've had two posts hidden for pointing that out.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:52 PM
May 2016

In the moral calculus of the HRC superfanz, it's worse to acknowledge bigotry than it is to be a bigot.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
7. They threw a pity party. A pity party for an anti-semite.
Reply to QC (Reply #6)
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:54 PM
May 2016

I can almost hear the jackboots in the background. Those who fail to learn from the past...

QC

(26,371 posts)
13. When people only think in terms of personalities,
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:33 PM
May 2016

then anything the people like do is OK, and things that the people they don't like might do are bad, even when they're the same thing.

So when Republicans avoid FOIA, that's bad, but when their team does it, it's good.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
14. The pity party is the big pay off.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

It's the histrionic dance of the narcissist poster. Speak ignorant provocations while claiming to represent a collective voice. Ramp up the bullying rhetoric until someone calls you on it. Shatter into a thousand victim tinged splinters, in
Front of your adoring audience, with increasing venom until you are tombstoned. Orchestrate the martyr's collapse in front of your weeping fans. It's the climax in the second act. But what feeds this syndrome is the resurrection in the third act. Back from the grave, they complete the hero's journey. Now they claim supernatural power. A standing
Ovation from the audience! I
Majestic personality play on a very small
Stage

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
27. One of my hides was for likening one of them to a Stormfront poster.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

My belief on that hasn't changed; once a racist, always a racist.

QC

(26,371 posts)
72. I saw that. Totally transparent,
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

but wasn't that sort of thing the purpose of, um, cleansing the jury pool?

onecaliberal

(32,109 posts)
33. I got a hide last night for asking why she's letting republicans raise money for her.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

It might be time to give them their group think tank and take my $ with me.

Dem2

(8,164 posts)
5. Definitely see that strategy from the Bernie supporters
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

Thanks for bringing it into the light.

Oh, and you forgot a few:

Oligarch
Third Way
DLC
Corporatist
Triangulation
corporate shill
bankster
warmonger

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
9. I gave up on any hope for that sometime back in March.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

Y'all are gonna do what y'all do. I'm gonna do what I do. And at the end of the day, I'm taking Nadin's view on the situation-- my vote won't matter when it's the Machine tallying it all up in the end. Most I can do is duck, and work for the best for my family, and reconsider my thoughts on solipsism being a bad thing. Need something to wash the rank taste of this cycle out of my mouth, after all.

procon

(15,805 posts)
17. Since you belive votes don't matter, stop complaining.
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

The voters don't agree with you. Them the breaks, and you can either find some way to get swallow your spleen and defeat Trump, or fume and try to prop up the perfect fiction that you are fighting for ideological purity and pretend like you're jousting at plutocrats and corporatists, and oligarchs by not voting and giving Trump a little boost to prove how upset your are.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
22. Somehow, they keep getting off--
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

I know I've blocked SEVERAL of the more prolific posters at least three times and somehow keep seeing their drivel come up.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
40. Seriously. At this point, I'm just adding everyone from that group to my ignore
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

Because come June 8th, if I don't, I'm gonna need a lot of eggs and sage just to get the evil out of my computer.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
46. I honestly thoguht I was going crazy or losing my memory for a moment there
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:10 AM
May 2016

But I know I've hit full ignore on at least three or four people three different times.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
57. No doubt...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

You can tell who's a second and third time return visitor just by their avatars and transparency pages nowadays. (But heaven help you if you point any of that out; because it's infinitely preferable to be complicit in corruption rather than pointing it out.)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
48. It's closer to Santeria than Wicca, but I tend to blend traditions.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

Something my mother used to do like once a week when we lived near the Devil's Triangle in El Paso.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
67. It's kinda like a spiritual cleansing thing.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

You're supposed to leave the egg overnight(raw, unbroken) in a bowl of holy water or something like that-- me, I always used essential oils and the like that I consecrated myself, since I get punted from my family's Baptist congregation at 15 and disowned shortly after. But after the soak, think of it as like a magnet for evil energy, or a sponge that you use to almost sweep away the evil.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
69. Kind of like a crystal cleanse. I went through a phase of putting crystals in a bowl of
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

filtered water and leaving the bowl in the sunlight to cleanse the crystals of any bad vibes. I don't know that I ever had faith in the crystals doing any good, but I thought they would do no harm, so why not? Besides, they're pretty. I just stopped at some point.

I didn't know Baptists used holy water.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
71. Some congregations do.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

I had to get rid of everything that reminded me of them, though. But yeah, it's kinda like a crystal cleanse, just a bit cheaper x)

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
83. I have
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

multiple people on ignore who have had to be ignored again. A look at my ignore list shows repeats of several names. And recently I tried to ignore someone, but the system stated that the username doesn't exist. I checked my spelling many times to make sure.

Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #22)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
52. Block, rinse, repeat.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

These people have made themselves my enemies, and even if I can't talk about my choice here once the primaries are over, I don't intend to sip tea with my enemies.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
11. I keep noticing the same people reaching and trying to divide on behalf of Bernie.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

There.

Fixed it for you.

So comical the Berners think they have no culpability in the nastiness here.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. Have you noticed some of the
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:51 PM
May 2016

Bernie supporters doing the same thing or is that something to be ignored?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. So it is fine for Sanders supporter to diss per your post...
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

That makes Clinton supporters dividers. Whatever.

Kinda like lock her up, ignore people voice and hand nomination to Sanders.

But hey, as long as Clinton supporters shut up, am I right?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
24. I personally don't give a good goddamn what you all do anymore, really.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

I'm just making an observation-- for people who like to scream about us being misogynistic, racist, chauvinistic white men day in and day out and then finger-wag about "oh but you better vote Clinton in the GE"-- I just don't fucking care anymore. Y'all are going to be complicit in the deaths of every single person that the "conflicts" she involves this nation in; for the worsening climate with every instance of fracking done, and for every family that goes destitute because they got replaced at their job by someone with an H1-B visa.

Meanwhile, I'm going to at least be looking out for my own.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
59. See, there you go. You do not give a good goddamn. Which is pretty clear to us, as you lecture
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

us

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
26. no reason for hillary to debate, she has had the nomination sown up for better than a month
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

the only side dividing the democratic party is sanders.....

anyway we are days away of having our nominee

72 more delegates to go

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. About those "debates". Just because Bernie wants it, doesn't mean he gets his way.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

If the voters don't know their polices by now, they have not been paying attention.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
34. No: apparently just because Hillary Clinton commits to something doesn't mean voters shouldexpect
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:56 AM
May 2016

Of course long time observers are not surprised.

QC

(26,371 posts)
75. I suspect she's every bit as committed to her new-found progressive positions
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

as she was to her debate agreement.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
54. One of the more beligerant ones has 25 hides, last time I checked
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

Hell, several in this thread have more than ten.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
39. Third Way lives by the principle
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:02 AM
May 2016

that the left will come around as they have no place else to go. Guess what? That thinking could be outdated.

bonemachine

(757 posts)
58. I keep hearing the same meme from Clinton supporters:
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

If Clinton loses, it will be Bernie's fault.

Don't you think that's rather robbing Hillary of her agency? You don't think she can lose this election on her own merits?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
63. Much like you are doing with the OP-- a veneer of unity covering discord and division.
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

Much like you are doing with the OP-- a veneer of unity covering discord and division.

"Good luck uniting the party. You'll need it..."
Often happens when we create our own self-fulfilling prophecies.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
70. Your post serves as a shining example of the kindness, compassion, and building up to which we
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

should all strive.




oh, wait....

BootinUp

(46,524 posts)
73. If Bernie DOESN'T do it, somebody will.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

Where will that leave Bernie if he leaves the uniting to somebody else?

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
76. Well bless their hearts
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

you are right, both Hill and Trump fear Sanders. Their followers are flailing

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
78. You hate all of us? What have we done to deserve your hate?
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:32 PM
May 2016

This honestly hurts my feelings, since I been hated all my life for being me. Being hated by a fellow Democrat for voting for my choice of Democratic candidate is new. Seriously I am about to give up trying to defend myself for someone else's irrational hatred of me, but it doesn't make it hurt any less.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
80. It's not hate; but derision and mild disgust at this point.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

When someone like me, a biracial, pansexual enlisted airman can be called everything under the sun from "not really black" to racist, misogynistic, ableist, right-winger neocon and all that other horseshit-- and in the very next fuckin breath, be admonished that I'd better be voting for the person that the people who've leveled all these charges at me support? Fuck every last bit of that noise.

Y'all have killed the idea of being a Democrat for me.

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