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Chuck Todd: "Because of This Breach, I Don't Think She Could Get Confirmed For Attorney General..." (Original Post) CorporatistNation May 2016 OP
Our Very Own Chuck Toad Finally Sees The Light of Day! CorporatistNation May 2016 #1
Andrea Looked As Though She Was About To... Cry..... CorporatistNation May 2016 #5
Mika, too. grasswire May 2016 #11
Looks like the media is finally wishing up to what is actually going on with this issue... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #23
And We Cannot Wait For All The Head In The Sand DENIERS To See It! CorporatistNation May 2016 #34
Chuck, no one could get confirmed for Attorney General right now. Tal Vez May 2016 #2
yeah, gut reaction here, but wow that seemed like a dumb statement. nt JCanete May 2016 #32
Just another right wing troll at a right wing network. Glamrock May 2016 #3
So MSNBC Is A "Right Wing" Network? Chuck Todd Has Been For Which Candidate The Entire Primary? CorporatistNation May 2016 #6
I forgot the sarcasm tag.....doh! Glamrock May 2016 #8
Move over Joe Scabb ... meet new liberal heart thrub ... Chuck Todd!!! JoePhilly May 2016 #4
Rachael Maddow bad,Chuck Todd good. sufrommich May 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #17
Yes, ArtISLife... THIS Has Been A FUN Day With This Only Being The Beginning As The Walls Begin To CorporatistNation May 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #28
Yep. I'm flag someone else remembers that stats thing. Hassin Bin Sober May 2016 #33
Full bullshit. seabeyond May 2016 #7
Perhaps you can expand on exactly what you think is... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #24
Nope. seabeyond May 2016 #25
Heilemann and Halperin just said on MSNBC that she lied... grasswire May 2016 #10
Why does Hillary shake her head no when she repeats the phrase: "It was allowed."? sorechasm May 2016 #12
She's modelling what she wants viewers reactions to be... HereSince1628 May 2016 #15
So, she means to say 'I am a victim', but it still looks like: 'Don't believe a word I am saying.' sorechasm May 2016 #16
two levels of message...the BIG message is in the body language HereSince1628 May 2016 #18
I don't think she would quality for even a low level security clearance. Peace Patriot May 2016 #13
Well Said! No Need To Say More... People Should Watch The Video Which Is Self Explanatory... CorporatistNation May 2016 #14
As POTUS, she wouldn't have to worry about qualifying for a security clearance. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #19
Apparently 'access to classified information' by hackers comes with the job of Hillary as SOS. sorechasm May 2016 #21
You mean it would be okay with you if the President was fundamentally distrusted by... Peace Patriot May 2016 #30
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #20
Wow. That video was brutal. Her lies were exposed , she violated the official Records Act Autumn May 2016 #22
YES... And Email Was Just Getting Started In Powell's Time... This Was Devastating According To CorporatistNation May 2016 #27
'wasn't the best choice' John Poet May 2016 #29
So Bernie was right again, she isn't qualified. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #31

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
23. Looks like the media is finally wishing up to what is actually going on with this issue...
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

But, as many of us in DU know, there's a lot more where that came from.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
2. Chuck, no one could get confirmed for Attorney General right now.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

Chuck, have you noticed how the Republican Senate is handling a Supreme Court appointment?

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
8. I forgot the sarcasm tag.....doh!
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

But why not? We've learned the FBI is a right wing organization. Along with the IG, John Kerry etc.....

Response to sufrommich (Reply #9)

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
26. Yes, ArtISLife... THIS Has Been A FUN Day With This Only Being The Beginning As The Walls Begin To
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:52 PM
May 2016

Crumble.... Much more to come over the next couple of weeks to be sure...

Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #26)

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
33. Yep. I'm flag someone else remembers that stats thing.
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016

I had just joined du and was a Clinton supporter when Todd called the primary for Obama.

Todd was the second coming around here. He was called "The Professor" by his fans - with photoshopped gifs and all.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
10. Heilemann and Halperin just said on MSNBC that she lied...
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:27 PM
May 2016

...and that the surrogates are lying as well. They were as disgusted as the talking heads on Mika/Joe, reporting this with a lot of unhappiness.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
12. Why does Hillary shake her head no when she repeats the phrase: "It was allowed."?
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

She just can't lie the way her husband does. She feels uncomfortable. The viewers feel uncomfortable. A good liar makes you laugh at their foolishness.

I have no idea why so many feel so compelled to support her obvious attempts at deception. Not even Andrea Mitchell can support this round.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. She's modelling what she wants viewers reactions to be...
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

It's pretty common postural communication of people trying to dissuade people of believing an accusation.

It quite frequently begins before the person speaks and continues until after they've made their case, sometimes it continues in silence as to underscore the message of -no no that's not true about me-.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
16. So, she means to say 'I am a victim', but it still looks like: 'Don't believe a word I am saying.'
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

I do appreciate the explanation about non-verbal communication, though.
Thanks HereSince1628!

However, your explanation underlines the meme that she is stage acting, and she's not very good at it. Unlike her husband, I think she has a guilty conscience.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. two levels of message...the BIG message is in the body language
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

the attempt to deal with a little detail is what she said.

It's to bad she doesn't have a BIG message that's verbal, and convincing, needing only a little bit of body language

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
13. I don't think she would quality for even a low level security clearance.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

That, to me, is more telling than what the RW morons in Congress would do to her if she were an AG nominee. But the truth is that, even in a normal, representative and elected** Congress, she simply couldn't be okayed for Sec of State or any office that involved national security. That much is clear from the OIG report. She cavalierly and knowingly endangered national security documents and information, and furthermore took measures to avoid scrutiny of what she was doing.

But what barfs up the works really badly for her is that she couldn't even work as a janitor in the Secretary of State's office. Given what's in some of her emails, that went through her privately installed, insecure server, and her obstruction of inquiry about it, and her lies about it, she would never get any level of security clearance.

Who cares what the RW morons in Congress would say? This is Obama's OIG and John Kerry's cleanly run State Department. They wouldn't give her a security clearance, knowing what they know now. Or if they did, it would be malfeasance on their part. She can't be trusted. She broke all the rules. She probably broke laws. She was communicating with a guy on national security issues whom Obama had forbidden to work in the State Department. He had no security clearance. He was passing her NSA documents (and where he got them nobody knows). She encouraged him. And he was working as a private consultant at the private Clinton Foundation!

Not even as a janitor.

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**(Most of our 8%-approval-rating Congress was not elected, in my opinion. That's what all those 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines all over the land have been used for, along with s/electing some real RW low-lifes to a number of state houses.)

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
14. Well Said! No Need To Say More... People Should Watch The Video Which Is Self Explanatory...
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

for ANYONE who does not have cognitive dissonance...

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
19. As POTUS, she wouldn't have to worry about qualifying for a security clearance.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

Access to classified information comes with the job of POTUS.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
21. Apparently 'access to classified information' by hackers comes with the job of Hillary as SOS.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

The question is will she be this careless as POTUS?

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
30. You mean it would be okay with you if the President was fundamentally distrusted by...
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:14 AM
May 2016

...U.S. intelligence agencies, by the U.S. military, by the U.S. State Department and diplomatic corps, by U.S. agents out in the field? By U.S. soldiers?

That's the deeper question that you are trying to evade. It's not just that almost anyone else in the U.S. government who did what Clinton did would have their security clearance yanked, would be fired, and might well find themselves in jail; it's that no one in government could trust the President, who might casually flip off their security concerns, who might put their lives in peril, who might casually destroy years of effort on a project, because she doesn't give a damn what she says, what she reveals, who she says it to, and who might be listening.

You forget that the President has to work with others--tens of thousands of others in multiple agencies. You forget that they all know the rules. You forget that they all know the penalties for violating security rules. And they all know why security is important.

What you seem to be okay with is a government in chaos, a government of profound distrust within itself, a government in which sloppy security procedures and even crimes and blackmail and backstabbing can run rampant, because the person at the top of the chain is perceived as not giving a damn about anything but her own power.

What does security of others mean to her? Nothing. So why should anybody else care? Some will still care, of course--and, like the lower level IG employees, who spoke out because Clinton had failed to appoint an IG for the State Department, and who warned Clinton about her insecure email server, they will be told to "never speak of it again."

You are talking about George W. Bush's government--a chaos of illegality and callousness and rule breaking and law breaking starting at the top.

I have no love for the "national security state," but, as long as we have one, I want there to be rules and laws that are important to all participants. I want it to be run the way Obama is running it, and the way John Kerry is running the State Department. With rules. Without scandals. With respect for laws like the FOIA and respect for sworn oaths about the handling of documents. With respect for the law.

I strongly disagree with some Obama actions and policies--and agree with others--but I have faith that, if a national security advisor comes to him with his "hair on fire" about a serious threat from Osama bin Ladin, Obama will not say, "never speak of this again," which is essentially what Bush, Cheney & Co. said to Richard Clarke. Further, I would not suspect Obama or Kerry of participating in 9/11, or permitting it to happen, as I do of Bush, Cheney & Co. Clinton is more like Bush-Cheney than she is like Obama or Kerry. She seems to have no principles and just does what she likes that is in her own interest. She gave no thought to the security of her email server and brushed all warnings aside, and then told lies about it. It's what she wanted to do, for her own purposes. Many suspect that those purposes were the corrupt use of the U.S. State Department to extract large donations to the Clinton Foundation, from entities like the Saudis who wanted war planes with which to bomb and acquire Yemen. But even if her purpose wasn't so venal, the point of her character is that she didn't think of others, she didn't think of consequences, and she didn't care about rules or laws. She acted like a law unto herself.

The presidency is rather kinglike or queenlike, but it is not yet completely lawless, which we came very close to with Bush-Cheney. Clinton, in this email server scandal, tends toward lawless, and may have committed crimes. The issue is not, would she need a security clearance as president; the issue is, would she scoff at others needing to have one, as she did by exchanging national security documents with Sydney Blumenthal, a private citizen, whom Obama had banned from the State Department, who had no security clearance? If she scoffs at authority (Obama), how can she exercise authority wisely? If she won't follow the rules, when her duty requires her to, how can she be a good leader and lay down good rules for others?

Clinton's actions in Honduras and Libya mean that I can never vote for her. The consequences of her decisions there were just too horrible. But good government is also important, whatever you think of government policy. Crimes against good government lead to other, worse crimes. Bush-Cheney started with a scofflaw attitude toward good government and were soon "shock and awe" bombing Iraq and torturing prisoners, and setting the example for U.S. soldiers to torture prisoners, and a giving billion dollar war contract to Cheney's company. They became a law unto themselves.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
22. Wow. That video was brutal. Her lies were exposed , she violated the official Records Act
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:01 PM
May 2016

Powell did not do what she did, he turned over his records and so much more. Damn.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
27. YES... And Email Was Just Getting Started In Powell's Time... This Was Devastating According To
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:52 PM
May 2016

Andrea Mitchell! Poor Judgement over "convenience" vs... just cloaking her actions from public scrutiny... Not a very transparent policy as a public servant...

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
29. 'wasn't the best choice'
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

In future years, that's what they'll say about this presidential nominee, if it's Hillary.

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