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[dana_b]

1. MAY is the operative word here

Is their real proof? It says "no".

If she and her staff did indeed cause this, then yes, agreed.

[HereSince1628]

25. Cries of Benghazi to be replaced by Manilla? I hear the rumble of new Congressional hearings

[MaeScott]

58. Flouting FOIA will do that to you. nt

[CorporatistNation]

100. Will There Be Truth Or Consequences? Veracity And Character Are Of Paramount Importance...

in a President.

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[scscholar]

81. This, plus the source is weak...

as in Newsweak. They've always had it out for the Clintons.

[Jitter65]

113. Hmmm...wonder how Obama ever pulled off that Osama bin Laden operation with Hillary around

compromising security operations?

[pnwmom]

119. Right. Bill Johnson has SUSPICIONS with no evidence,

and because of that Hillary is through.

They don't know Hillary, or her supporters.

[randome]

2. Well, the first thread on this died a humble death. Don't expect anything different from this one.

And I'll say now what I said in the prior thread: if you aren't going to bother to learn what "unprotected phone calls" means, then you really have no idea what you're pushing here.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[lagomorph777]

71. I think that would be a phone call that wasn't made using a STE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Terminal_Equipment

next question?

[Metric System]

3. NO PROOF. It says right there in the quoted section. Ridiculous creative speculation.

[greyl]

51. Worse, not even an indication of any kind.

He just thinks it's possible. We know the communication of everyone else involved hasn't been under scrutiny like Clinton's.
It's possible he was hacked or compromised somehow.

[think]

4. "Clinton came up with a work-around, Johnson says. “She had her aides go out, retrieve their phones"

This is the epitome of the problem with Hillary Clinton. She's always finding a way to go around the rules...

The only problem: She did not readily have any secure telephone numbers or email addresses for her staff members because they were all using personal servers and phones. Security had prevented her traveling aides from bringing their personal cellphones into PACOM headquarters. They appealed to Johnson for an exception, but he refused, citing alarms and lockdowns that would be automatically triggered by any attempt to bring unauthorized signal-emitting units into the building.

Clinton came up with a work-around, Johnson says. “She had her aides go out, retrieve their phones and call the seventh floor from outside”—on open, unsecure lines, he says.

“My relationship with that group started downhill when I refused to let them bring phones and computers into my office [at the Special Operations Command],” Johnson recalls. “It was really an eye-opener to watch them stand outside using nonsecure comms [communications] and then bring messages to the secretary so she could then conduct a secure [call] with the military” and the State Department.

source:
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-terrorism-sloppy-communications-463605

[Demsrule86]

12. Serious

Bull shit even for you...he eliminated 'all' possibilities? Sure he did...and of course, he knows but can't prove it was all Hillary.I wonder if this is the same Bill Johnson who was the Trump delegate who was a white supremacist.

[think]

16. "They appealed to Johnson for an exception, but he refused, citing alarms and lockdowns"

Reading the information helps. Try it.

[MariaThinks]

5. though he quickly adds they have “no proof.”

I can't believe these posts are allowed on DU.

[Betty Karlson]

6. For the first time in the primary process, I'm considering to get my fork out... eom

[pkdu]

33. Leave it in Bernie , where it belongs . Nt

[Betty Karlson]

57. Bernie belongs in the White House.

I wouldn't presume to place his silverware for him. I am quite sure he and Jane will delegate that to someone else.

[beltanefauve]

103. Good one!

[pkdu]

111. I'm sure he will be invited over by Hillary , sometime in Feb or March of 2017 I'd guess..

But you missed the point on the silverware. I was suggesting to leave it exactly where it is.

[Betty Karlson]

115. Now you are just trolling. Careful there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Jesus, this is now a deluge!

in new narrative...

[Trenzalore]

8. Even if this was true

All it means is that Joe Biden is the candidate.

[think]

10. Good luck with that...

[Demsrule86]

13. It is not true...

He has no 'proof'.

[pdsimdars]

34. This isn't the Disneyland website. . .did you know that?

[Trenzalore]

36. You honestly think the super delegates and Hillary's delegates would nominate Sanders

[appal_jack]

45. Ignore the candidate with millions of votes at your peril. nt

[pdsimdars]

66. Grown ups do.

[pdsimdars]

89. Absolutely. I think that's why they have been calling him to drop out

because they know that Hillary will not survive becuase of the server scandal and they want Bernie out to clear the field so they can put in who they want. They are not going to put someone else in if Bernie is still there. You can laugh all you want, but Bernie has millions of voters and supporters and they are not going to piss all of them off.

And remember . . . .




Don't be smug either. You aren't really SAYING anything, you have no substance. . . just your attitude. That only goes so far. Why not explain how you think it would go with Hillary supporters if they came in an installed Warren as the nominee. They'd never get away with that. They will need all those voters so how can they just piss them all off? It makes no sense other than in someone's fantasy.
.

[lostnfound]

43. Some of us would be pleased enough by that

[lmbradford]

9. K & R

[kstewart33]

11. 'May have'?

That's it? SHE's DONE because of a 'may have'?

Are you serious?

[reddread]

39. I think she is done.

lets eat her before she is completely bernt.

[Cal33]

74. Are you saying that you don't yet know that all news media use the words "may,

might, alleged".....etc.....until the case is officially over, such as when a court
has found someone guilty, and the judge is ready to pronounce the sentence?

[zappaman]

14. Lol!

Get it all out while you can!

[sheshe2]

49. ;)

[amborin]

15. she jeopardized national security all to keep her sideline hidden

[kgnu_fan]

17. ... never end...

[jwirr]

18. Did she not know what she was doing or did she just not

care? Either way this is not the actions of anyone who should be in the WH.

[NCTraveler]

19. I have to give you a K&R

You work hard at this.

[Tarc]

20. ...though he quickly adds they have “no proof.”

[JEB]

42. They had no proof on OJ either.

[lunamagica]

21. The conclusion of the OIG report.

The conclusion of the OIG report.

CONCLUSION
Longstanding, systemic weaknesses related to electronic records and communications have existed within the Office of the Secretary that go well beyond the tenure of any one Secretary of State. OIG recognizes that technology and Department policy have evolved considerably since Secretary Albright’s tenure began in 1997. Nevertheless, the Department generally and the Office of the Secretary in particular have been slow to recognize and to manage effectively the legal requirements and cybersecurity risks associated with electronic data communications, particularly as those risks pertain to its most senior leadership. OIG expects that its recommendations will move the Department steps closer to meaningfully addressing these risks.



Recommendations of the OIG report.

RECOMMENDATIONS
To ensure compliance with Federal and Department requirements regarding records preservation and use of non-Departmental systems, OIG has issued the following recommendations to the Bureau of Administration, the Office of the Secretary, the Bureau of Information Resources Management, the Bureau of Human Resources, and the Department’s Transparency Coordinator. Their complete responses can be found in Appendix B. The Department also provided technical comments that OIG incorporated as appropriate into this report.



There are 8 recommendations issued to the State Department by OIG.

State Department management responded to each recommendation.

The OIG replied in each case:

OIG Reply: OIG considers the recommendation resolved.

http://static.politico.com/f3/9b/19d29ab14abeb4a30ca2975f1e6c/oig-report.pdf

[Waiting For Everyman]

22. Wow! Another excerpt.

“Anyone can just sit outside the embassy and listen,” with off-the-shelf eavesdropping devices, he says. “We suspected the leaks [came from] somewhere at State at the time.”

As a dramatic solution, the Special Operations Command stopped giving advance warning to senior State Department officials about raids, Johnson says. Whatever the cause, the leaks stopped. In February 2012, Dr. Abu and two other senior militants were eventually killed in what was described as “a U.S.-backed airstrike.”
...
(referring to another incident, of her aides calling the most secure floor of the State Dept.)

Clinton came up with a work-around, Johnson says. “She had her aides go out, retrieve their phones and call the seventh floor from outside”—on open, unsecure lines, he says.

“My relationship with that group started downhill when I refused to let them bring phones and computers into my office [at the Special Operations Command],” Johnson recalls. “It was really an eye-opener to watch them stand outside using nonsecure comms [communications] and then bring messages to the secretary so she could then conduct a secure [call] with the military” and the State Department.

[DebDoo]

26. Wow. They had to take her out of the loop, that says a lot.

[Arazi]

35. The breathtaking arrogance of Hillary on display. So much so, they cut her out of the loop

Even if she didn't jeopardize this mission, her actions as recounted here render her unfit to lead

[DebDoo]

23. Just the fact that it *could* be her fault is enough to make me cringe. Doesn't really matter if it

Actually was her - she put the safety of our country at risk, all because she couldn't be bothered to do things the right way.

[Dem2]

24. IF IT'S ALL CAPS

1) it's not true and
2) it's automatically trashed.

So sorry.

[berni_mccoy]

27. Go to the Newsweek article. They capped the headline.

I just copy/pasted

[Dem2]

29. I agree with the reddit rules

Even if the source is all caps they will delete your thread if you post an all-caps headline. It's a good rule to follow.

[MFM008]

28. JUNE 14

keep hope alive though..............................

[elleng]

30. “sloppy communications with her senior staff”

[Duval]

31. K&R. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. LOL ...

Johnson says he and his team eliminated the possibility of other security leaks before settling on the unprotected telephone calls of the secretary of state and her aides as the likely source—though he quickly adds they have “no proof.”

No words for why this appears on DU.

[Number23]

38. I was just about to type a big old "YAWN" to this OP but I think your post is better

Not only does your "LOL" more accurately encapsulate what I feel but your excerpt has shown this post for the unintended chuckle that it is.

And it sounds as though the problems were with phone calls, not emails, and with Clinton's staff and not Clinton herself.

“My relationship with that group started downhill when I refused to let them bring phones and computers into my office [at the Special Operations Command],” Johnson recalls. “It was really an eye-opener to watch them stand outside using nonsecure comms [communications] and then bring messages to the secretary so she could then conduct a secure [call] with the military” and the State Department.

[lagomorph777]

72. Exactly; this adds phone calls to the e-mail problem

She didn't give a crap about security procedures and violated them at every opportunity.

She will not make it to June 7th.

[noiretextatique]

87. I agree...and I will add: the willingness to ignore her hubris

Is absolutely appalling. Not to mention the willingness to ignore her blatant lies on the matter. I can see the campaign ads already.

[Number23]

93. Did you miss the part where it was her staff and not her re: the phone calls?

Oh, who am I kidding. Of course you did. And I'm sure that was totally an accident.

She will not make it to June 7th.

I think you're right. Judging by the looks of things, she may have this sewn up a few days earlier.

[lagomorph777]

96. Apparently you missed this part:

They acted on HER instructions and she was at one end of the communications chain:

"Clinton came up with a work-around, Johnson says. “She had her aides go out, retrieve their phones and call the seventh floor from outside”—on open, unsecure lines, he says."

[Number23]

97. I guess I also missed where her staff, who actually did the behavior that has you guys so horrified,

complained about being apparently forced to go against State Dep rules. Apparently this type of "work around" had been done for years and by other senior Dep of State staff, but please don't let that reduce your outrage.

So funny who is up in arms over this. Breitbart, Johan Goldberg... and Sanders supporters. Quite the group.

[lmbradford]

106. This is a Kerry investigation.

Obamas IG found these instances. Nothing right wing going on. Its not Sanders. Only she is responsible for what she did.

[Number23]

110. I don't think that one person in the universe thinks that Sanders has anything to do with this

investigation.

But there is no question that many of his supporters are aligning with the vilest right wing groups in crossing their fingers and hoping for an indictment. That kind of says everything that needs to be said.

[lmbradford]

105. That blackberry phone was also not approved.

The phone and a tablet were also used along with her personal server. Its all one issue. Even Pres Obama was denied a phone. She used it anyway. For State business. Not secure.

[sheshe2]

50. I have words....

Yet I will remain mum~

[SharonClark]

37. You punked yourself! You should read the entire article

It doesn't say what you think it says.

[okasha]

40. Only two words that matter:"No proof."

Just another RWNJ running his mouth.

[bjo59]

53. Only two words matter. Huh. I have a lot of students who have the same philosophy.

It saves them from having to read their books and articles thoroughly.

[okasha]

54. We're not talking about your students.

We're talking about law, in which those two words are dispositive.

[HereSince1628]

61. But is LAW the only source for measurement and guidance of moral behavior?

There's also regulations, and policy, and rules. And then there is the appeal to social mores.

I can see how insistence on THE law could become a tool for obfuscation of the role of all the others.

I am not at all sure that discounting of all the other standards for performance is a good and proper position. I am pretty sure that disrespecting the intent and guidance of all the other standards to the point of wantonly disregarding them is a bad thing.

[AzDar]

41. That her sheer irresponsibility and hubris may have cost even ONE life... I don't know how her

supporters can get past that. Utterly fucking tragic...

[roguevalley]

44. it appears they don't care

[MyNameGoesHere]

46. WHAT THE F$&_ OMG HELL

MY F$&&)))) $ CAPS LOCK IS STUCK. OR IT MAY BE STUCK. YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF EITHER.

[JoePhilly]

47. Ancient Alien theorists believe ...!!!!!

[JSup]

48. It all makes sense now...

Bill Johnson, who was the State Department’s political adviser to the special operations section of the U.S. Pacific Command, or PACOM, in 2010 and 2011, says secret plans to eliminate the leader of a Filipino Islamist separatist group and intercept Chinese-made weapons components being smuggled into Iraq were repeatedly foiled.

Johnson, who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and now supports Senator Bernie Sanders, says he had previously witnessed the lax communications habits of Clinton and her aides. In January 2010, Clinton was in Honolulu to give a speech on the administration’s “pivot” to Asia when news of the Haiti earthquake broke. She retreated to the secure communications facility in the basement of Pacific Command headquarters to make calls to various military officials and humanitarian groups to help organize a response to the catastrophe. But she also “needed to talk to her senior staff on Mahogany Row,” her seventh-floor executive suite back in Washington, Johnson recalls.

Yeah, not gonna believe a word he says.

[NanceGreggs]

52. We are now in Week 56 of HRC's campaign ...

... and this now marks Week 56 of someone on DU explaining that "She's Done!!!"

[BainsBane]

59. You'd think after getting every prediction they've made wrong

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at a certain point they'd stop making them.

[berni_mccoy]

67. Oh Nance, I'm so glad you joined the party! I miss you!

[NanceGreggs]

94. Hey, Berni!

Hope all is well with you and yours!!!

[berni_mccoy]

95. Likewise Nance.

[ruggerson]

108. Eight years later, i much prefer being on the same side of the fence with you :)

n/t

[NanceGreggs]

109. Right back at ya!

[FreakinDJ]

55. Hillary will take down the Democratic Party

[noiretextatique]

56. Lalalalalalalalalalalala

It's her turn Lalalalalalalala

[Uncle Joe]

60. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, berni_mccoy.

[ucrdem]

62. Oh baloney. Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden forked over millions of docs. Intel survived. nt

[berni_mccoy]

65. By that reasoning and Hillary's own stance on those individuals, Hillary should be in prison.

[Katashi_itto]

68. Ok, so you agree Hillary should be in prison.

[ucrdem]

70. She forked over millions of classified intel docs? Do tell. nt

[Katashi_itto]

77. I dont recall them comproming counterintell operations.

[Jitter65]

63. More unfounded speculation just to hit Hillary. How about Snowden or Manning as the source?

Or how about those GOP Senators talking to their girlfriends, or Gen. Pretreats ?

Good thing the operation to take out Osama bin Laden didn't fail or they would be blaming Hillary for that.

[vintx]

64. Only five more months of this, Hillary fans!

Or maybe five years... you know, give or take.

The GOP thanks you!!! Remember what happened to their party after Nixon?

[Zorra]

69. K&R nt

[Armstead]

73. He''s most likely wrong about the Philippeans --- BUT it is damning on its own

Clinton and her Corps of Cellphone Yuppies had to do a workaround that did violate security -- just because they didn't want to accept a short term limit set for security purposes during a meeting?

[Babel_17]

75. It's never going to go away now

If an organization like Newsweek is going to raise such serious and troubling doubts in peoples minds then we're now facing an issue that won't just go away.

[emulatorloo]

76. "May" "If" "No Proof"

Why don't you wait a could days and see what the FBI actually says.

[JoePhilly]

80. Ancient Alien Theorists will be along shortly to confirm it.

[emulatorloo]

82. Can you please put that in all caps for me?

[JoePhilly]

78. PROOF? PROOF? We don't need no stinking PROOF!!!!!

This meeting of the Combustible Hair Club will now come to disorder!!!!

If the members will now run in circles screaming bloody murder, we'll take attendance.

[saidsimplesimon]

79. Recommended berni

When I receive my meager monthly retirement fund, I'll be sending another donation Senator Sanders way. We need to GOTV in California and beyond. Thank you all for keeping the tent open.

PS: Forced to retire early as a result of the Wall Street bust compliments of bushit.

[Faux pas]

83. Kickin'

[jonmac511]

84. like it or not

The way any certain individual views Secretary Clinton and whether or not you agree this is a problem, by using her own server(and deleting thousands of communications, using her judgement) she has become the scapegoat of everything that didn't live up to expectations. This is a perfect example of what her presidency would look like. One investigation after another into if her lack of concern over the security of all her communications, played a part in pretty much anything and everything negative. She brought this upon herself and regardless of if any wrongdoing occurred, she gave any opposition an infinite supply of ammunition to aim at her and her entire administration. If anyone thinks nothing much has gotten done lately, it would only get worse.

[SmittynMo]

85. When in the hell are we going to learn?

She has excessive baggage everywhere. And it never stops. Is this what we want in the White House? I personally, do not.

Sorry, but it's time for her to step down gracefully. This is not a friggin game anymore.

[The Blue Flower]

86. Accurate or not, this story is guaranteed to get traction

This is the ammunition any opposition is more than happy to use in the GE. There was no national security reason for her to install a private server. There is no excuse that will work for her.

[GreenPartyVoter]

88. Could be this year's Benghazi.

[jberryhill]

90. Clinton Tipped Off The MILF?

They don't name the specific group, but the Moro Islamic Liberation Front - MILF - is one of the largest insurgencies in the Phillippines.

Someone missed a great opportunity for a killer headline on this one.

[felix_numinous]

91. At what point does a candidate become too high risk?

I understand loyalty to a candidate, but TRUST is crucial to run a country, an armed forces--and too many people on all sides do not.

[libdem4life]

92. It's slowly sinking in to the Faithful.

Also the Independents read the news. Proof positive is not relevant or even possible at this point.

And I'm guessing that No One on this board has anything but the minimal anecdotes...just opinion based on what our self- censored press wants us to believe.

Knowing that, it is telling what does now emerge. Seems they are less cautious of the Clinton Machine than getting a "scoop.

JMO.

[AzDar]

98. K & R

[tandem5]

99. I heard she bought live goldfish just to puree in a blender!

she's pure evil!

[annavictorious]

101. Bill who?

Nothing about this very important former advisor on the google.

OK, so a guy employed by the State Department turns out to be totally ineffective at his job and then blames the Secretary of State even though he has no proof.

Well at least he's following the Sanders playbook by blaming Hillary for his repeated failures.

[bullimiami]

102. It says "telephone calls" and "have no proof".

[lmbradford]

107. I dont understand.

Why do really smart thoutful people put so much trust in a candidate? Its not like average people know them or who they really are. We can only speculate as to their morals. When time and time again that morality comes into question, dont you even look to see if maybe this is a real concern?

Maybe Im just different. I dont trust any candidate even the ones I support. I hope they are worthy of my vote but dont hold out hope. I expect disappointment and then i find another candidate i can live with.


Where does all this blind faith come from?

[Joe the Revelator]

112. Pffft....Newsweek is as rightwing as they come.

Just another nothingburger.

[okieinpain]

114. i don't understand the op title. if anything it sounds like the state

dept needs to update their equipment because people are using their personal stuff to get things done. lol, i think this is more like bad news for president obama then it is hillary. what the hell is going on around here, it looks like folks are going after anything to make hillary look bad and I not even a fan of hers. .

[Bubry]

116. LOL

so done she won.

[Maru Kitteh]

118. Why did you dig up an 11-day old post and another 6 day old post?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2155944

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2155944

It gives the appearance that you are just interested in stirring shit. And not very well.

[pnwmom]

120. Welcome to DU, Bubry!

[Bubry]

121. Thanks

I'm kicking crappy forecasts.

[pdsimdars]

122. We still have to wait to see if we have a rule of law. If we don't, we don't really have a country

Hillary did commit crimes, if she is not prosecuted, we don't really have a country any more.