Who cares about Hillary's emails, honestly?

[ericson00]

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seriously, nearly all of the people at the high levels of government know little to nothing about technology; they spent most of their lives knowing computers as refridgerator sized machines, may have used Gekko-like cell phones, still have trouble with touchscreens and mouses, so seriously, IDGAF about Hillary's emails. A computer program when Hillary/Bill or Bernie were in college was a punched card put thru a machine, or a thing on tapes. "Typing" was a valuable resume skill and even a profession.

True, the government should put a tech training program in place for its employees, but that it was not there in the first place is not Hillary's fault. Also, Colin Powell did the same thing as Hillary.

If you wanna use GOP talking points, go vote for them. Or Jill Stein/Gary Johnson too.

And don't pretend to care about national security if you condone Snowden and are an isolationist.

[MADem]

1. +1. nt

[Hortensis]

108. Exactly.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Nothing is ever Hillary's fault.

Every problem she has is because of sexism.

[Chasstev365]

102. More and more it reminds of the Bush crowd defending everything he did.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Aparently people who can make critical decisions, like I don't know the FBI chief and the IGs of at

least two departments.

[840high]

40. Exactly - + i care

[seabeyond]

4. Sanders people. It is the only way Sanders can win. What a sad idea that is a win. Nt

[Lars39]

5. Another case of willful ignorance.

[reformist2]

25. I used to not care, but the obstruction of justice is pretty blatant and obnoxious. And illegal.

[scscholar]

58. Obstruction from which side?

You weren't clear.

[Hortensis]

109. The use of the legal system as a propaganda tool

is subversion, and the enormously wealthy forces on the right are busy subverting our systems for their purposes.

WashPo, 9/2015: Judicial Watch, pursuing the Clintons like Inspector Javert for 2 decades

If you, like at least a quarter of the American electorate, were not born or were still in footies or watching “Barney” when the first Hillary Clinton “scandal” made the cover of Time magazine in 1994 for “clouding her image,” fret not. A conservative watchdog group called “Judicial Watch,” which was on the case then, is still on it now and is more than happy to fill you in.

Its band of expert Freedom of Information Act lawyers — and make no mistake, they are good — continue to plumb the depths of what was called in the mid-’90s the “Whitewater controversy,” the “Whitewater scandal” or the “vast right-wing conspiracy.”

In fact, just this week, Judicial Watch announced it was “asking a federal court to order the National Archives and Records Administration to release draft criminal indictments of Hillary Clinton” stemming from that probe. While others were tried and convicted after an independent counsel probe, Clinton was not charged with breaking any laws.

And if you’ve never heard of, or have long forgotten, the blazing controversy surrounding Bill Clinton’s “last-minute pardon” of then-fugitive financier Marc Rich, the husband of a big donor to Clinton’s presidential library, as he left office in 2001, Judicial Watch has a big file on that too.

The same goes for such relics as the “Travelgate” affair (vintage 1995, involving first lady Hillary Clinton and the White House travel office); the suicide of White House aide Vince Foster; all of Bill Clinton’s alleged women, of course; the “pimping out of the Lincoln Bedroom,” as Judicial Watch puts it; and everything and anything Clinton through the mist of time to the present.

When it comes to the Clintons, with thousands of FOIA requests and related lawsuits, Judicial Watch hardly needs the National Archives. It’s got its own. “Here at Judicial Watch,” its website says, we’ve had a long relationship with Bill and Hillary Clinton. …We know the Clintons well.”

Judicial Watch is a right-wing political action group founded and funded by ultraconservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife. Unfortunately, Scaife himself escaped justice by dying wealthy and honored of old age a couple years ago.

[onehandle]

6. The email story is always below the fold or deep in section A...

...and nobody I know in real life ever talks about the story.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I should have taken photos

even the UT had it above the fold, right column today. You know not under the adds. They ran almost the same headline as the NYT, which also was above the fold, same prominent placement

[cali]

17. Wrong.

[kcjohn1]

7. Those of who still think Clinton's of the world work for us, not the other way around

Do you not care what she was doing in our name? You think this was just simple mistake.

The whole thing was set up to avoid public records and freedom of information records. Clinton wanted to run the state department without you and I knowing what the hell she was doing.

Even if you think she was hiding nothing bad, the fact she thinks she can do this, should tell you all you need to know about this lady.

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. I wrote earlier ...

It seems that there are Policies and Regulations (which the report indicates were violated) and Agency/Office/Departmental Practices (which the report indicates were followed, instead).

It would seem, the only folks that would be outraged by the following of Agency/Office/Departmental Practices over the Policies and Regulations, would be partisan, agenda pushers; or, people that have never worked a job, or are willing to ignore what they experienced/learned on that job.

Agency/Office/Departmental Practices that conflict with Policies and Regulations develop over time as work-arounds for those doing the day to day work because the Policies and Regulations are too unyielding. Further, the work-arounds are never an issue unless/until something goes wrong. In this case, the "go wrong" was the right needed a stick ... the bigger "go wrong" is Bernie supporters are proving, more than willing to swing that stick.

Finally, I will say ... my, above, Bernie supporters comment is based how they are presenting themselves on DU. And, I limit it to DU, because I really never hear or see the topic outside of DU ... other than from naked partisans of the right. But that said, looking at the body of the posts/arguments of the most outraged DUers, I am starting to doubt their presentation as Bernie supporters.

[Exilednight]

23. at my job,if I conduct business on a private account it's a terminal offense

If I use my work email for private use, that too is a terminal offense.

Why should Hillary be held to a different standard?

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. Because: 1) She doesn't/didn't work where you work; and 2) I suspect ...

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you do not work anywhere near the level of where she worked.

Besides, double standards are a fact of life ... especially, across different occupations and roles within organizations.

[Exilednight]

75. And what is it you think I do, or where I work?

[1StrongBlackMan]

76. I have no idea; but, I'm pretty sure you are not Secretary of State ...

and reasonably sure you do not work in the upper reaches of the State Department.

[COLGATE4]

86. Perfect response

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. This is getting ridiculous ...

in order for DU to make the least bit of sense these days ... is to ignore real life.

[choie]

78. It's not about the email it's about

the use of a personal server and the obvious attempts to thwart transparency. Clinton and her supporters may try to
steer the focus onto the emails, but the server is the greater example of her " bad judgement"

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. Okay.

[elleng]

9. Those of us who want to understand the nature of JUDGMENT our potential Presidents have.

[AgingAmerican]

10. The DOJ

And the FBI

[boobooday]

11. People who care about our leaders respecting rules and laws

I work for a state entity, and even I know that I couldn't exclusively use a private email server and email address to conduct work business. We are all subject to FOIA, because we work for the taxpayers in some fashion. She was Secretary of State, and after all her experience she should have known the importance of information security as well as government transparency.

It was careless and arrogant, and that is not what we need in a President.

[haikugal]

37. In fact, it was criminal. In your face criminal!

[COLGATE4]

87. Really? And what criminal statutes has she violated?

The OIG report is clear that there were no criminal violations.

[TrueDemVA]

12. I think the FBI cares

[braddy]

13. You have it backwards.

When you are one of the most important government leaders and live in a world of classified data, and you don't know tech, then you use the official classified server, you do not create your own system.

Creating your own server to bypass and avoid the official government system, indicates someone involved in tech, not someone totally ignorant of it.

[Attorney in Texas]

14. Here is a link to a simple easy-to-follow discussion of the Freedom of Information Act:

http://www.foia.gov/about.html; here's a brief excerpt:

Since 1967, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) has provided the public the right to request access to records from any federal agency. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government. Federal agencies are required to disclose any information requested under the FOIA unless it falls under one of nine exemptions which protect interests such as personal privacy, national security, and law enforcement.
...
President Obama and the Department of Justice have directed agencies to apply a presumption of openness in responding to FOIA requests. The Department of Justice, in its 2009 FOIA Guidelines, emphasized that the President has called on agencies to work in a spirit of cooperation with FOIA requesters. The Office of Information Policy at the Department of Justice oversees agency compliance with these directives and encourages all agencies to fully comply with both the letter and the spirit of the FOIA.

If that's too complicated, there are videos at the link.

[JudyM]

79. Beautiful post.

[cui bono]

15. People who care about national security.

People who practice idolatry will pretend this is a right wing smear and refuse to see the gross incompetence and hubris that makes one unfit for office.

.

[ericson00]

19. right, isolationists like Bernie care about national security, uh huh.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. Snowden supporting DUers suddenly care about national security ... LOL!

[choie]

80. We care about national security

But we also care about out civil rights - ain't that strange?

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. Yes ... the selective concern is strange ...

In the one case, information was actually taken ... and taken to (ultimately) Russia ... He is a hero.

In the other case, information may have been stored on a home serve, that might/could have been compromised ... and she should go to jail.

Yes strange ... but, easily understood.

[choie]

84. Snowden is a whistleblower

Clinton, an unethical mendacious politician. Get the difference?

[1StrongBlackMan]

85. LOL ... Of course he was and of course she is ...

and yes ... I understand the difference ... partisanship.

[choie]

89. Whatever denial gets you thru the night..

[1StrongBlackMan]

91. Project, much?

[choie]

97. Unlike Clinton supporters

I don't need to be in denial about my preferred candidate.

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. See? That's the projection that I am talking about.

[cui bono]

56. What? Can you explain that please?

[LP2K12]

18. Military Intelligence Veteran

I care.

It matters to some of us.

I wont vote for GOP. Sorry.

[Autumn]

20. Those are Hillary talking points not the GOP's. No one forced her to do "stupid stuff"

she should have taken Obama's words to heart. She's responsible for her own fucking actions and people who give a fuck will talk about what she does. Don't like it? Get her to step down. And no matter how often you say it Colin Powell did NOT do the same thing as Hillary.

The State department put in new clearer guidelines and regulations starting in 2005 and finishing in 2011, while she was still SOS. She chose not to follow those guidelines and regulations that's all on her and quite frankly it shows a cowardice on behalf of the democrats because they are silent and allowing the GOP to speak out and handle her actions.

[zappaman]

21. Bloggers. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

26. The same people who care about GS speech transcripts ...

... i.e. nobody.

The "hair on fire" posts on DU are often about things the average voter doesn't care about - or, more to the point, doesn't even know about.

I'm sure if you stopped 50 voting-age people on the street and asked them who Goldman-Sachs is, the top three answers would be (1) the local personal injury law firm that advertises on late-night TV, (2) an accounting firm that prepares tax returns, or (3) two gynecologists that partnered and operate a practice somewhere downtown.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Aw. Now you've done it! ...

The "hair on fire" posts on DU are often about things the average voter doesn't care about - or, more to the point, doesn't even know about.

You've just, both, credited them with superior knowledge AND granted them defender status, to go along with their martyr status ... they'll be re-doubling their quixotic efforts.

[NanceGreggs]

42. It's been a glaring problem ...

... since the first political website went on-line.

People who live and breathe politics 24/7 never take into account the fact that they are not "the average voter", or the fact that what consumes them (which is often the minutia of political goings-on) isn't even on the radar screen of most voters.

The Goldman-Sacks transcripts are a perfect case in point. While the political junkies talk about it as though it will be the downfall of HRC's campaign, the average voter's response is: Goldman who?

[PufPuf23]

49. Sweet. The appeal to ignorance.

Gee whiz.

Maybe our schools skimp on teaching civics, curiosity, and media communications.

Maybe some leaders are most comfortable with an ignorant "average voter".

There is a glaring problem; the specifics we may not agree.

[NanceGreggs]

74. It has nothing to do with ...

... an "appeal to ignorance".

It has to do with focusing on what the average voter is interested in, e.g. jobs, the economy, education, the environment, women's reproductive rights, LGBT rights, programs to assist veterans, the homeless, the working poor, those stuck in poverty, those reliant on social programs like welfare and SNAP in order to survive from one day to the next.

While the GOP continues to wage war on women's access to abortion and birth control, while they try again and again to cut back the funding of programs that actually FEED the hungry, and provide assistance and rehab to wounded veterans, while they try to shut down the rights of the LGBT community, BS supporters waste their time trying to convince voters that Hillary's emails are the most important issue of this campaign.

I don't think voters who are actually concerned with whether they and their fellow citizens have jobs that will support their families, or social programs that will support those who are without jobs, homes, or even a safe place to sleep at night are the least bit FUCKIN' concerned with Hillary's emails.

The "average voter" isn't ignorant at all - they are merely focused on what actually matters.

[1StrongBlackMan]

63. Glaring, only second to ...

the failure to recognize (charitably)/pretense (less charitably) that THEY would give a DAMN about it, if it didn't advance their narrative.

[NanceGreggs]

64. Exactly. n/t

[Duckhunter935]

33. I do, guess I am nobody

[reformist2]

62. So, are you making fun of low-information voters, or praising them? I can't tell.

[NanceGreggs]

83. Neither.

I am pointing out that the average voter - whether you call them low-info voters or not - are not interested in Hillary's emails. They have more important issues on their minds.

[tazkcmo]

27. Everyone

minus about 11,000,000 folks blinded by the Clinton Light.

[Dem2]

29. Bernie doesn't

And neither do I.

I see a few trying their damnedest to assassinate the character of our likely candidate, but Hillary has been attacked by right wingers for decades, a few haters aren't going to have any better luck.

[B Calm]

30. You'd think the DNC would have vetted her better before pushing her out to the front!

[-none]

99. You are forgetting Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Why do you think she was put in place as head of the DNC?

[basselope]

32. I don't.. her poor record is reason I won't vote for her.

The emails are a distraction from her horrible record in the Senate and as SoS

[Carolina]

61. No, the emails and private

server use are part of the reason she was terrible as SoS. The use of a private server was a means to use her lofty position to conduct business deals for the Clinton Foundation slush fund, bankroll her bid for the presidency and avoid any pesky scrutiny or FOIA queries. It's Nixonian corruption

[basselope]

66. But let's even put that all aside and look at the lousy job she did.

Honduras, Libya to trying to push fracking as a viable energy source.

I don't need her poor judgment with her server and her general disregard for her own rules to disqualify her... her record of "accomplishments" is plenty to do that.

[Carolina]

70. Totally agree

We're on the same page!

1) In the Senate: her awful votes for IWR, the Patriot Acts 1&2, the Bankruptcy bill

2) At State: Honduras, Libya, Syria, arms deals

3) Clinton legacy (the 2 for 1): NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, Welfare deform and Crime Bills, overturning FDR's Glass/Steagall Banking Act

It's a horrible record, but then she's a woman breaking the glass ceiling

[COLGATE4]

88. You were never going to vote for her in the first place.

[basselope]

95. Of course not... Because of her poor record.

Why would I consider voting for someone with such a poor record??

[Throd]

34. I do.

[KingFlorez]

35. If she was not running for President, no one would be talking about this investigation

It likely would be occurring because of protocol, but no one would be talking about it.

[Lil Missy]

36. I don't. It's a witch hunt. n/t

[barrow-wight]

38. Good question.

I didn't care about Paula Jones.

I didn't care about Vince Foster.

I didn't care about Ron Brown.

I didn't care about Juanita Broderick.

I didn't care about Whitewater.

I didn't care about NAFTA.

I didn't care about Clinton's sex life.

I cared about DADT but realized it was the best compromise he could get.

I definitely cared about DOMA but never put that on her.

I didn't care about her foundation.

I really couldn't care less about her speech transcripts.

I understood that Super Predators only meant criminals and I didn't care.

And I really, and truly, and most assuredly do not care about these emails.

It's all noise. People have hated them for years because they're popular. And, increasingly, the more fans you've got the more haters you've got.

I like Hillary's policies. I like her sense of pragmatism. I like her willingness to work with different people. I like that she's neither scorched earth nor "my way or the highway." I like that she gets things done.

[chascarrillo]

39. And if you want to block Syrian refugees from entering the US, go vote for Trump, ericson00.

[LAS14]

41. I don't care, for one.

[Agony]

43. don't care about her emails, I care very much about her fucking piss poor judgment

make fun of it all you want

[TeddyR]

68. Yes!

Her blatant disregard for the rules is what I care about. Shows a complete lack of judgment (and character). If you think the rules don't apply to the wealthy/privileged but only to us peons then maybe you shouldn't be running this country.

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. It's not about emails. Keep misdirecting though.

[Seeinghope]

45. Seriously, the SoS needed to have her very own server because she DOESN't know what she is doing

with this high tech stuff? Didn't she think that the State Department had expert I.T. People specifically for that reason? Hillary Clinton thought that her server would be superior than what the I.T. people and the State Departmemt could supply? What, as possible President of the United States, what other hairbrained decisions might she make when in office?

This wasn't her fault? She chose to by pass the experts to use her "refrigerator size machine" instead. Hillary's expertise was suppose to be as Secretary of State not in circumventing the I.T. People. The e-mails were critical since she is traveling all around the world and her primary way of communicating is thru e-mails. Top secret information as well as sensitive information and these communications happen all of the time. That is why there are tens of thousands of pages of them. She lied and said her server was for personal emails. Then, what, 31,000 pages of e-mails are e-rased? Would the I.T. In the State Department have done that? Why did she do it?

Colin Powell did nowhere near the volume of e-mail business or use on a private server...... He probably gave her the idea though.

No one is above the law or above oversight......not even the Clintons, even if they think that they are.

[SusanCalvin]

106. That is kinda internally inconsistent, isn't it? nt

[jonmac511]

112. yeah

I keep seeing some folks using the security of the government's server as a logical reason for her using her own private server. My issue with that line if reasoning is, she didn't mind sending communications into that system, why would she if it was a security concern? In my eyes, you can't have it both ways. Then take the case of her denying that no classified communications were sent to that server but after the failed hack was detected, Huma is on record telling the staff to not send sensitive info through that system. Wouldn't sensitive info likely be classified somewhere down the line(I'm totally ignoring born classified to try and understand how this could be seen as, at all, acceptable)? I am a Sanders supporter but I try to look at both sides and have an inner debate to develop a level headed opinion. I just keep coming up with more questions whenever I come to a somewhat reasonable answer. If this whole thing is no big deal, why lie about it and even go as far as to perjur oneself?

[Downwinder]

46. It would appear that someone does.

[nc4bo]

47. I care more about the fact Ms. High and Mighty thought it was cool to conduct State's business on HE

OWN PRIVATE SERVER.

Why would you do such a thing and think it's okie doke?!

[Seeinghope]

48. It is also funny that as much as she doesn't know about high tech things yet she just had to set up

her own server knowing how important the National Security was. She bypassed the State Department Security for obvious reasons. HER OWN SECURITY. She didn't want leaks about her own personal or professional business leaked to anyone....not even people in The State Department. Maybe things like her continued relationship with Sydney Blumenthal in an advisory capacity would be revealed. She was not supposed to be using him in that way since the Obama Administration had told her not to use Sidney Blumenthal as an adviser on State Department business.

Even with her inadequacy in I.T. knowledge, and National Security. HER PERSONAL SECURITY took precedence as well as what orders from President Obama to listen to and which ones to ignore. Her server was much more likely to be hacked and said to have been hacked.

It comes down to Hillary Clinton being so paranoid and dishonest to the point of choosing her own self interests over the country's security.......

Not a good quality for an aspiring President of the United States.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

50. The FBI seems to care.

And, I like Snowden and what he did. Can't say the same about Hillary.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

51. We're gonna find out, now.

[MrWendel]

52. Who cares?

The same people who cared about Bengazhi. One in the same.

[doc03]

53. I couldn't cafe less about her damn e-mails. The only reason

we even know about them is because the Republicans couldn't find anything on Benghazi.

[NorthCarolina]

54. Wild ass guess here but,

the FBI?

[HooptieWagon]

55. FBI. DOJ.

Probably the CIA for the assets she revealed. Kerry, 'cause he got tasked with cleaning up her mess. Obsma, 'cause aside from Hillary he had a scandal-free administration.

[Jesus Malverde]

57. Guccifer, the Chinese, the Russians and the Israelis.

Few hundred more interested parties.... most go by acronyms and are based overseas.

[SheilaT]

59. Considering that she's being held up as the best, most experienced candidate ever

who can be trusted to do the right thing every time, you should care about this.

She deliberately bypassed the State Department's own email system. Even though she was told not to. And since this all came out she has lied, delayed, obfuscated, and who knows what else.

This is NOT someone who should be in the Oval Office.

[TeddyR]

69. The lies are what make me angry

She could have just admitted she fucked up and disregarded the rules but instead she obfuscated and lied, for months on end. And now there's no way back from her lies, and every new lie just digs a deeper hole.

[SheilaT]

72. On the other hand, perhaps we should admire and applaud her

consistency in lying. Bosnia, the Reagans and AIDS, now this.

And I trust I don't need the sarcasm thingy.

[libtodeath]

60. You really should be embarrased.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

65. You do. You post about them nonstop.

Millions of other people also care. I'm one of those people.

[IdaBriggs]

67. People who know how to use their brains to think?

People who care about government officials being accountable to the people?

People who understand that FOIA and Federal Records Laws aren't just "good ideas" but actual LAWS?

In other words, most people in America.

[imagine2015]

71. Not a soul. That's why her honesty and favorability ratings are going to skyrocket!

Or she'll crash land in Philadelphia.

[postatomic]

73. I still hear about Benghazi, but nothing on emails

Maybe the knuckle dragging republican crowd isn't up to speed on this bullshit email "issue". Thank goodness we have the Bernie supporters helping the republicans out and keeping them up up to date on the latest Hillary ... ahhh... thing.

I still hen-peck my texts. (I hate texting BTW - so impersonal)

No one expects the Hate Squad.

[dubyadiprecession]

77. Bernie said, "I'm sick and tired of hearing about your dam emails" in one of the debates..

I'm glad bernie agrees with us. A man like train wreck trump, would take both sides of this argument depending upon if hes taken his medication or not.

[spin]

92. One group is people like me who have held a security clearance and know...

that if we were found to have classified email on our home computers let alone a home server, we would have faced prosecution, fines and jail time. And I am not talking about email as highly classified as what was found on hers some of which could not be released to the public in any form.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

93. When the USA could have been put in jeopardy

the server was handed over to some company which didn't have clearance.

[thesquanderer]

94. I'm concerned about it being an albatross around her neck for the general. (n/t)

[Demsrule86]

100. Right wing BS ...bad states system too

All of the previous secretaries did it too...oh and Condi Rice had no emal...sure....what is she hiding.

[polly7]

101. What about using the private server she used to communicate with Blumenthal - who'd

been banned by Obama - as an adviser re Libya (also representing clients with interests in a post-war Libya), being paid through her Foundation, and whose completely wrong 'intelligence' she used (with no ability for scrutiny) to persuade Obama to intervene in a sovereign nation on the '7 countries in 5 years' hit list and help cause that horror, as well as all of the resulting suffering for millions since?

So much ado about so little? The IS and Boko Haram freaks who were let lose to fill the vacuums in Iraq and Libya created have burned people alive - among so many other atrocities. Is that nothing? Without Blumenthal's 'info', an ambivalent Obama may not have been pushed over the line for that 51-49 vote. Clinton told Blumenthal to 'keep em coming'. Another email celebrated getting Obama onboard as an early Christmas present!

Barack Obama says Libya was 'worst mistake' of his presidency.

Meanwhile, millions are either dead, maimed physically and mentally, orphaned, dying at sea, refugees in dangerous refugee camps where women (who'd previously been allowed many, many freedoms now denied by the fundamentalists now running those countries) and children are kidnapped and raped and murdered.

Nothing to care about, though. I don't understand this at all

And check out this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=7857478

[bobbobbins01]

103. I condone Snowden and I have an issue with her email.

I can't even fathom how you could argue what Hillary has done is in any way similar to being a government whistleblower. And to use that to try and shut down arguments tells me you don't want to discuss it like an adult, you just have a talking point to push.

[bvf]

104. The Federal Bureau of Investigation

The Department of Justice.

You know, government employees tasked with ferreting out criminals.

Got a problem with government employees?

[JonathanRackham]

105. How does it affect national security?

As Secretary of State her job was #2 only to the president for this level of responsibility and security. Wars start or are prevented at this level in the government. It's that serious.

[ucrdem]

107. The Bushler NSA gave her sh#t so she did her job without them.

Then Obama and the Dem house and Senate completely reformed the NSA, including the leadership, and it's now a much more accountable operation (enter Snowden, poster child of RW discontent). But at the time it wasn't and it seems pretty clear that they were deliberately obstructing her ability to carry out her duties so ... who cares, besides the VRWC?

[alc]

110. she knew enough about technology

to know that the state department system wasn't good enough. Instead of going to the person in charge and demanding that the system be improved for all employees she set up her own system. Since she was the person in charge she probably wouldn't have needed to argue much to get the project approved to upgrade/fix/improve the system for everyone.

In my experience people who no nothing about technology do not set up their own email server. I ran work and personal email servers in the 90s. It's not something you just pay someone to setup then ignore. It'll be down or blacklisted in hours unless you configure it right and take care of it. You have to have a reason to run your own server or you'll quickly discover that it's not worth it. Just 5 years ago I had 1.5 full time employees managing blacklists (getting us off them) as well as sysadmins to manage the email servers (monitor for and stop attacks and do frequent security updates) for a small brand of a fortune 500 company. Blacklists are different when you send a million messages a day, but can also happen with a misconfiguration after a security update. That company and many others I know don't run their own email servers any more and a few companies make LOTs of money offering email services.

[Sancho]

111. This email thing is as stupid as birth certificates...

No one mentions the 55 million emails Bush/Cheney deleted.

It's amazing that Hillary's office archived such a pile of boring stuff. No one else did then, and likely no one else is really saving everything now!

Yoga schedules and wedding cake recipes??? Wow, I hope we get a FOIA request to reveal all that stuff too.

Shipping pickled fish to Israel was so important that we should demand an investigation! Who knew what and when did they know it?!