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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:09 PM May 2016

KING: Hillary Clinton has been caught lying for a year in her email scandal

KING: Hillary Clinton has been caught lying for a year in her email scandal

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, May 26, 2016, 1:07 PM

Seven months ago I made a mistake. I took Hillary Clinton at her word concerning the never-ending scandal surrounding her email accounts. When she and Bernie debated all the way back in October, and Bernie famously said to her, "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails," that was the nail in the coffin for me on the issue.

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On Wednesday, the State Department, as in the State Department she oversaw between 2009 and 2013, released a scathing report following a year-long investigation into her use of a private email server and private email accounts. The results get to the heart of why 60% of Americans view her unfavorably — and why she may be behind Donald Trump in recent polls.

CNN's Jake Tapper and Evan Perez, in a segment aired just hours after the report was released, showed how Hillary Clinton, in repeated interviews over the past year, has completely misrepresented what really took place on this issue.

more...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-clinton-caught-lying-year-email-scandal-article-1.2651043

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KING: Hillary Clinton has been caught lying for a year in her email scandal (Original Post) cui bono May 2016 OP
And she's still doing it today Press Virginia May 2016 #1
She can't help herself. Lying is in her DNA. So is hubris. cui bono May 2016 #2
I wonder if the media is going to question her new lie or just repeat it Press Virginia May 2016 #5
Just like Bill Lied right up to the day of Senate Impeachment Hearings FreakinDJ May 2016 #151
It's an aristocratic entitlement. And hubris of course. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #153
Liars gotta lie! Carolina May 2016 #7
yes grasswire May 2016 #67
Isn't she wasn't she an attorney? Wasn't Bill a Rhodes Scholar? Wasn't Bill President of the U.S.? Seeinghope May 2016 #27
Then she should know better than to keep lying about it Press Virginia May 2016 #32
On what premise do you base your conclusion? laserhaas May 2016 #158
Exactly! My point! Seeinghope May 2016 #161
Wow, another brand new HRC supporter here in DU. rhett o rick May 2016 #154
Not! Why would you think I was a Hillary Clinton supporter? I was mentioning their educations Seeinghope May 2016 #157
They are experts in repetitive, babbling, obfuscating bullchit laserhaas May 2016 #159
Why did she need to skirt FOI law is the question. She had to know she'd be a target for hacking . MaeScott May 2016 #120
Concur...mens rea...scienter....are the issues laserhaas May 2016 #160
If it resonates with the majority, it will continue Babel_17 May 2016 #136
Sigh, so she forgot to put the cover on the TPS report and the "far left" is losing their shit... uponit7771 May 2016 #3
Yeah, that's all it was....except it wasnt Press Virginia May 2016 #6
OK, she forgot to the TPS report cover and went 46.6 mph in a 45 mph zone... that better? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #9
Other than the fact it ignores reality, sure Press Virginia May 2016 #11
Well that poster also "thinks" BLM activists are "reThugs". cui bono May 2016 #17
You were far more concerned about classified information when Manning exposed mass-murder: cpwm17 May 2016 #26
Cause she did it on purpose?! You understand the context of that conversation, no one has to uponit7771 May 2016 #29
How does one accidentally hire people to set up a private server? cui bono May 2016 #36
was already set up in the house, no one has to explain that to you either... you guys think everyone uponit7771 May 2016 #61
How did she accidentally start using it instead of the state dept server then? cui bono May 2016 #66
To set up credentials on the server that was already there, she didn't have the know how... uponit7771 May 2016 #74
So she did do it on purpose. I thought you said she didn't? cui bono May 2016 #79
Prepare to run in circles with this one Press Virginia May 2016 #82
Oh, believe me, I know. =) cui bono May 2016 #87
I see a total detachment from reality Press Virginia May 2016 #90
it being expose states secrets to security threats, again.. having to have to explain this shit uponit7771 May 2016 #88
You keep talking about explaining things but you have yet to do so. cui bono May 2016 #92
Awesome! jham123 May 2016 #144
Well it's unbelievable that someone would say she didn't release classified info on purpose. cui bono May 2016 #145
was "nothing burger" on The Brock talking points memo? AntiBank May 2016 #102
What about using the private server she used to communicate with Blumenthal - who'd polly7 May 2016 #108
She must have forgotten to reply to this post. I'm sure she wanted to bring up baby bunnies. cui bono May 2016 #148
Hillary deliberately expose secrets by disregarding security concerns. cpwm17 May 2016 #41
Cause the SD's systems with 5 1/4" floppies was more secure!? You're kidding right?! uponit7771 May 2016 #62
It isn't Hillary's place to determine that her server in her closet cpwm17 May 2016 #83
If you don't like the news, go somewhere else. Scootaloo May 2016 #60
This isn't news, it's tripe at best especially seeing tRump was accused of rape twice... uponit7771 May 2016 #63
If you don't like it, go away. No one's keeping you here Scootaloo May 2016 #70
Because rules are only for the little people. cpwm17 May 2016 #71
and that rapist-sociopath might win if we keep her as our candidate. Pick another DLC member. zazen May 2016 #132
What King that republican puke bag, king?? boston bean May 2016 #4
+1, lets us all know how many reThugs are posting on DU these days uponit7771 May 2016 #10
So BLM activists are now "reThugs"? cui bono May 2016 #14
Nope, neither are baby bunny rabbits ... cause that has to be explained to you? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #16
Wow! Your post #16 certainly has to be explained to me. cui bono May 2016 #19
I responded to a question, ... Republicans thought Bush was smart uponit7771 May 2016 #23
What does that have to do with anything? You called a BLM activist a "reThug" cui bono May 2016 #25
This is false on its face uponit7771 May 2016 #28
No it's not. It's right on this internet page. You need to be logical to follow along though. cui bono May 2016 #34
I did not call anyone a rethug, you can NOT post any words of me doing such. That's false on its uponit7771 May 2016 #35
I don't need to, you posted them already and I quoted it already. cui bono May 2016 #37
The fact that you call a BLM activist a GOP puppet nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #18
Sophistry, the quest was asked which King... but go ahead and whine, seems typical of the "far left" uponit7771 May 2016 #21
LMAO and now you go personal on me nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #24
Something is wrong with the logic there. The repsonses are making no sense. cui bono May 2016 #30
I have studied scandals and covered one major scandal nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
Yeah, and then you said how many "reThugs" are posting here now. cui bono May 2016 #31
Don't bother to find out what you are responding to. I know, facts are hard. cui bono May 2016 #15
They are in such a hurry to 840high May 2016 #58
+10000 AntiBank May 2016 #103
So....BLM goes under the bus. (Or at least one of their activists). (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #40
Once again, it seems black voices only count when they support the rich white lady Scootaloo May 2016 #75
Yep. The rest get called names and bullied. cui bono May 2016 #85
It is either lies or the typical Reagan sadoldgirl May 2016 #8
She's a serial liar. HooptieWagon May 2016 #12
+1 gravityspy May 2016 #13
A serial liar? oberliner May 2016 #46
Oh please. Anyone who's paid any attention to the Clintons knows Press Virginia May 2016 #52
The "serial liar" phrase is repeated on RW outlets is all I am saying oberliner May 2016 #54
It's also an accurate claim Press Virginia May 2016 #55
Isn't it strange that Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh would be so right about HRC oberliner May 2016 #72
Their opinions are bullshit. Press Virginia May 2016 #73
Their opinion is that Hillary is a serial liar oberliner May 2016 #76
Do you have a description that is more palatable to you Press Virginia May 2016 #78
We could use more friendly words maybe - Mother Of Four May 2016 #93
Those are pretty good Press Virginia May 2016 #94
Truth impaired? Autumn May 2016 #124
I don't believe in repeating right-wing talking points oberliner May 2016 #109
so...we have to hurry to find descriptions that fit before the RW adopts them? islandmkl May 2016 #122
Trump's "Crooked Hillary" moniker is already being used here oberliner May 2016 #123
Or accurate descriptions, it seems Press Virginia May 2016 #130
I don't think "serial liar" is an accurate description oberliner May 2016 #133
When one tells lie after lie after lie, it is serial lying Press Virginia May 2016 #134
That's not an opinion. The facts have shown over the years that that is what she is. cui bono May 2016 #91
It is an opinion and it's an opinion held by right-wingers oberliner May 2016 #110
No because their logic is similar to yours pinebox May 2016 #128
Or maybe she's not a serial liar? oberliner May 2016 #141
I considered it up until she kept lying. Serially. cui bono May 2016 #155
Oh please. We all know "prominent Democrats" don't say the L word. cui bono May 2016 #139
Right-wingers can be right about something? oberliner May 2016 #142
Yes. And of course the majority of people who think she is unfit for office are right wingers. cui bono May 2016 #143
thats the lamest logical falacy I have seen all day AntiBank May 2016 #104
No argument is being made so there can be no logical fallacy oberliner May 2016 #111
its actually 2 logical fallacies: genetic fallacy and/or guilt by association AntiBank May 2016 #116
It is neither oberliner May 2016 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #56
It's accurate. 840high May 2016 #65
It's amazing how accurate Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage are about HRC oberliner May 2016 #68
I'm sure they can accurately describe the color of the sky as well. Scootaloo May 2016 #80
35 Facts That Prove “Space Jam” Is Criminally Underrated oberliner May 2016 #84
35 reasons I should never again read a damn thing you post Scootaloo May 2016 #86
thread winna AntiBank May 2016 #105
Space Jam was a classic oberliner May 2016 #113
Where's the link? oberliner May 2016 #112
ask Scootaloo AntiBank May 2016 #114
That's who the post is directed to oberliner May 2016 #115
oh, sorry, it came up as you replying to me, strange, lol, sorry AntiBank May 2016 #117
No problem oberliner May 2016 #119
It sounds like the front page of Reddit and half the content of Twitter. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #81
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #20
This piece is even more damming than others nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #22
Shaun King has been a Bernie supporter for months oberliner May 2016 #45
Yeah but the people I heard that from today nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #47
Well that is unfortunate oberliner May 2016 #48
Well, this is having an effect nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #49
I know oberliner May 2016 #51
Well the party will have to make their decision nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #53
The voters pretty much already have oberliner May 2016 #64
Think LBJ nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #69
I guess the only thing I'm curious about, cheapdate May 2016 #38
So I will mark you down as not giving a fuck that she lied Matt_in_STL May 2016 #39
Please do. cheapdate May 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author AntiBank May 2016 #106
you are correct, to some degree, but seem to expect the extreme to be the only possible outcome... islandmkl May 2016 #125
I have no idea what assumptions you're making about my politics or ethics cheapdate May 2016 #135
unfortunately for the Democratic Party, the real fight isn't HRC vs Trump.... islandmkl May 2016 #137
If you are 100% opposed to Republican politics then you should be critical of both cui bono May 2016 #140
I stand with HONEST Democrats pmorlan1 May 2016 #42
All Democrats will get my support in the 2016 General Election. cheapdate May 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #59
Bullshit. cheapdate May 2016 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #100
I think I've made my position cheapdate May 2016 #99
It's not hard. She's been in the public spotlight for almost 3 decades. cheapdate May 2016 #150
The first things you list as important to you: "clean water, clean air, healthy food, cui bono May 2016 #146
You're preaching to the choir. cheapdate May 2016 #149
+1 HooptieWagon May 2016 #57
The truth bears out eventually....lots of time left. nt Land of Enchantment May 2016 #50
Shaun King has no credibility! LiberalFighter May 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #97
Denial isn't a river n/t JesterCS May 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #101
Is this from that right wing NY slimeback King? Who the hell would post such SHIT on DU? RBInMaine May 2016 #121
Did you know Shaun King is a civil rights activist? B Calm May 2016 #126
Time For The Coffin To Be Fitted cantbeserious May 2016 #127
Great candidate you backed, Hillary fans! vintx May 2016 #129
But here's the problem LynnTTT May 2016 #131
Rec for the sub-thread in which a Hillary apologist gets his/her ass kicked. Scuba May 2016 #138
Will this shit be allowed when she clinches the nom? Darb May 2016 #147
Did anyone actually read the report, this article isn't representing the facts at all. eastwestdem May 2016 #152
LA LA LA LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Warren DeMontague May 2016 #156
 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
1. And she's still doing it today
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

Saying the rules weren't clear....which is why she didn't ask for clarification, I guess.

But the IG report says the rules and policies that were in place when she took office were the most comprehensive at the time. Furthermore it says any request to use a personal server would have been denied.

She's a liar

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
7. Liars gotta lie!
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 PM
May 2016

IWR and her lies are why I will never support her.

The truth about the emails and private server use is that HRC was using her position as SoS to make deals that would benefit the Clinton Foundation slush fund, bankroll her pursuit of the presidency and avoid FOI inquiries. What slime

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
27. Isn't she wasn't she an attorney? Wasn't Bill a Rhodes Scholar? Wasn't Bill President of the U.S.?
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016

I think that are highly educated people with highly educated friends...and many that are expert in regulation, contracts and processes in government.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
158. On what premise do you base your conclusion?
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

Since when are lies by (above the law) oligarchs ..an issue?

As Billy boy said.." better to seek forgiveness, rather than permission".

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
157. Not! Why would you think I was a Hillary Clinton supporter? I was mentioning their educations
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

because of the fact of the. using the dumb excuse of not understanding all of the rules a procedures of them the office were not not easy to understand. With their educational background and connections there is no excuse on that front.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
159. They are experts in repetitive, babbling, obfuscating bullchit
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

Because they are considered ...above the law

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
160. Concur...mens rea...scienter....are the issues
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

Co.pounded by tens of thousands of missing emails

By both her and ALL of her IT guy

Further made morose by refusals to cooperate/ copy

I'm just sayin...

..............they ain't sayin

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
136. If it resonates with the majority, it will continue
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

If and when the cost of pushing that spin is prohibitive, it will stop. The media taking if off its gloves and flat out awarding Pinocchios to such statements, and then following up on that, would put an end to it.

But is there another narrative ready that can be put in place before the convention? After the convention it can be characterized as in the past (if the FBI doesn't fundamentally disagree) and already apologized for. Then replaced in peoples minds by attacking Trump. Though Trump might have enough material from the reports to never have to let the issue die.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
3. Sigh, so she forgot to put the cover on the TPS report and the "far left" is losing their shit...
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

... how many Clinton email threads in the last 123 days!?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
17. Well that poster also "thinks" BLM activists are "reThugs".
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

And if she doesn't then she'll have to admit that she's just spouting off without any attempt to check into facts, as evidenced elsewhere in this thread.

I keep wanting to use the but then I realize how pathetic and sad the Hillary responses in here are and see that it's not appropriate. It's way beyond funny. It's really a sad day when 3/4 of the people (Republicans and Third Way Dems) of this country are blind followers with no regard for facts.

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cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
26. You were far more concerned about classified information when Manning exposed mass-murder:
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023520842#post3

Hillary Clinton exposed far more highly classified information than Manning, including top secret, for strictly selfish reasons.

Authoritarians are not just for Trump.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
29. Cause she did it on purpose?! You understand the context of that conversation, no one has to
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

... explain that to you

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
61. was already set up in the house, no one has to explain that to you either... you guys think everyone
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

... is a LIV don't cha.

Look, get the smokes... I'm going to the drum circle...

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
66. How did she accidentally start using it instead of the state dept server then?
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

And why did she hire an IT guy? And how did she do that accidentally?

And was it an accident when she continually lied about it? And was it an accident when she didn't turn over all the emails she said she did?

She sure does a lot of things by accident. Good reason she is unfit for office.

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uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
74. To set up credentials on the server that was already there, she didn't have the know how...
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:10 PM
May 2016

... that's easy seeing I've set up mail servers in the past.

Either way, it was already there...

Why aren't we talking about tRumps rape aligations?

Yaw more interested in some damn emails than tRump going to jail...

that's a shame

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
87. Oh, believe me, I know. =)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

Do you see how brave she is? And what a nak... er... I mean, knack, for words she has?

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uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
88. it being expose states secrets to security threats, again.. having to have to explain this shit
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:20 PM
May 2016

... is gob smacking.

No wonder Sanders camp thinks this nothing burger is a big deal, yaw desperate....

Here...

smoke this...

calm down k?

thx

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
92. You keep talking about explaining things but you have yet to do so.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

So why do you keep posting in this thread/OP?

How did she accidentally use a particular server rather than the one that was specifically set up for her use by the govt? The govt that she worked in?

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jham123

(278 posts)
144. Awesome!
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

cui, I'm not sure there would be a better way to present this debate than the way you just did.

I'm fascinated by the folks that continue to follow blindly. How do they look themselves in the mirror. This isn't going to get swept under the carpet and Trump and going to mop the floor with it....

Give it to Bernie or put in Biden or Kerry....but this isn't going to be successful after the IG report. The FBI is going to pile on in the next few weeks now that they have the IG report

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
145. Well it's unbelievable that someone would say she didn't release classified info on purpose.
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

Well it certainly wasn't an accident. She made a calculated move to disregard State Dept. rules and regulations that were put there for security reasons in order to keep classified information secure. She absolutely did it on purpose. She just didn't care.

Even if Hillary squeaks by all her many obstacles and manages to get into the WH, we all know it won't take long before she is getting impeached for something. And sadly, given her track record, it would not be surprising if it were for a legitimate reason.

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AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
102. was "nothing burger" on The Brock talking points memo?
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:48 AM
May 2016

I keep seeing this same lame ass meme coming from the Clinton 3rd Way Gang in here.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
108. What about using the private server she used to communicate with Blumenthal - who'd
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:31 AM
May 2016

been banned by Obama - as an adviser re Libya (also representing clients with interests in a post-war Libya), being paid through her Foundation, and whose completely wrong 'intelligence' she used (with no ability for scrutiny) to persuade Obama to intervene in a sovereign nation on the '7 countries in 5 years' hit list and help cause that horror, as well as all of the resulting suffering for millions since?

So much ado about so little? The IS and Boko Haram freaks who were let lose to fill the vacuums in Iraq and Libya created have burned people alive - among so many other atrocities. Is that nothing? Without Blumenthal's 'info', an ambivalent Obama may not have been pushed over the line for that 51-49 vote. Clinton told Blumenthal to 'keep em coming'. Another email celebrated getting Obama onboard as an early Christmas present!

Barack Obama says Libya was 'worst mistake' of his presidency.

Meanwhile, millions are either dead, maimed physically and mentally, orphaned, dying at sea, refugees in dangerous refugee camps where women (who'd previously been allowed many, many freedoms now denied by the fundamentalists now running those countries) and children are kidnapped and raped and murdered.

Nothing to care about, though. I don't understand this at all

And check out this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=7857478

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
148. She must have forgotten to reply to this post. I'm sure she wanted to bring up baby bunnies.
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

Oh wait, you mentioned Blumenthal. I think that would involve baby koala bears. Or something.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2063619



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cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
41. Hillary deliberately expose secrets by disregarding security concerns.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

She clearly also broke the law. What she did is so bizarre. How on earth did she think that was even kosher?

Manning did the world a favor by exposing serious war crimes. I suppose one could say that Hillary did the World a favor by showing how unfit she is to be president with her flagrant disregard for security concerns.

What Hillary did likely caused far more harm than what Manning did, except Manning caused authoritarian heads to explode all over the US.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
83. It isn't Hillary's place to determine that her server in her closet
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

is more secure than the government's system set up to handle classified information. She also kept all of her E-mails to herself, only turning over some of what belongs to the US public two years after she left, and only because she was forced to do so.

But you were so upset when Manning exposed a war crime, you know, because of secrets.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
63. This isn't news, it's tripe at best especially seeing tRump was accused of rape twice...
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:04 PM
May 2016

... I could give a shit about her emails

zazen

(2,978 posts)
132. and that rapist-sociopath might win if we keep her as our candidate. Pick another DLC member.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Just not someone so disliked and under major investigation. The DNC can hand her delegates to Biden. But she's got to go.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
14. So BLM activists are now "reThugs"?
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

You guys have really lost it. Don't bother to even look into anything before you post, just jump right into being completely wrong with name calling.

This is what you say about Shaun King?

uponit7771 Thu May 26, 2016, 06:25 PM

10. +1, lets us all know how many reThugs are posting on DU these days


Pathetic. At least you're showing how little you care about facts and research and how you will blindly defend the indefensible. Truly digusting.

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
19. Wow! Your post #16 certainly has to be explained to me.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

That is some weird shit.


Star Member uponit7771 (30,970 posts)
16. Nope, neither are baby bunny rabbits ... cause that has to be explained to you? tia


What does it mean?

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
25. What does that have to do with anything? You called a BLM activist a "reThug"
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

based on the post you replied to.

I have no idea what they hell you are yammering on about after that.

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uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
35. I did not call anyone a rethug, you can NOT post any words of me doing such. That's false on its
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:27 PM
May 2016

... face.

and this is a waste of time

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
37. I don't need to, you posted them already and I quoted it already.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

Everyone can see it, unless you deleted it out of embarrassment.

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
30. Something is wrong with the logic there. The repsonses are making no sense.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

Of course, s/he probably doesn't have the capacity to just say, oops, sorry, I was wrong so they just double, no, quadruple down.

It's just gibberish now.

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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. I have studied scandals and covered one major scandal
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

this is par for the course. I admit, I thought it was a nothing burger until like most media... I downloaded emals when they were released. The ones on dinner with Pelosi and theater, get a social secretary, really. But there were four in that first batch that were ... born classified.

That is when I went instantly from nothing burger, to this is very serious shit.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
31. Yeah, and then you said how many "reThugs" are posting here now.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:25 PM
May 2016

So if you weren't calling King a "reThug" then who were you calling a "reThug"? Me?

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
15. Don't bother to find out what you are responding to. I know, facts are hard.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

Much better to show your ignorance.

Or do you think a BLM activist is a "republican puke bag"?

What a joke Hillary supporters have become.

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HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. She's a serial liar.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

But she'll likely plead the 5th in her FBI questioning, or perjury will be added to the other charges.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
52. Oh please. Anyone who's paid any attention to the Clintons knows
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:53 PM
May 2016

Hillary lies...from being named after Sir Edmund Hillary to claiming her server was approved for use and allowed under the rules

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
54. The "serial liar" phrase is repeated on RW outlets is all I am saying
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

It's a common refrain on Fox News and that ilk.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
72. Isn't it strange that Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh would be so right about HRC
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

When they are so wrong about everything else?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
76. Their opinion is that Hillary is a serial liar
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

That is not an opinion shared by many of her supporters who are Democrats, not far RW lunatics like the aforementioned.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
93. We could use more friendly words maybe -
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

"Truth Challenged"
"Habitual reality changer"
"Falsehood addict"
"Authenticity Denier"


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
133. I don't think "serial liar" is an accurate description
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

But this argument is kind of silly, so I am happy to back out of it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
91. That's not an opinion. The facts have shown over the years that that is what she is.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

Rand Paul was against war and against illegally spying on our citizens. Does that automatically mean that's not true because a right winger said it? Of course not.

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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
110. It is an opinion and it's an opinion held by right-wingers
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

Can you name any prominent Democrat who has expressed that opinion about Hillary?

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
128. No because their logic is similar to yours
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

In a small club, nobody should be criticized by a fellow club member because it makes the club look bad.
That's why.

Truth is, Hillary is always lying. There are a myriad of issues where she has and then you add in her constant changing of positions, is it any wonder why America can't stand her? Yes there are RW smears but there is also the fact that Hillary is her own worst enemy.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
139. Oh please. We all know "prominent Democrats" don't say the L word.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

And really, you think just because someone is right wing that they can't actually be right about something?

We all know about so many lies Hillary has told. And some of them were real whoppers! I mean lying about what was in the classified document she claimed said Iraq had WMD to justify her vote for war? Jesus fuck. That alone right there should make any thinking person see she is unfit for office.

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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
142. Right-wingers can be right about something?
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

It just seems strange how all their attacks on Hillary are what they seem to be right about for some folks.

Most thinking people do not feel she is unfit for office.

In fact, the majority of those who do are the aforementioned right-wingers.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
143. Yes. And of course the majority of people who think she is unfit for office are right wingers.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

That's what they live for, to hate Hillary.

But there are plenty of left wingers and centrists who feel she is unfit for office. Many Dems and many independents.

I saw another post by you somewhere that also seems to indicate that you feel that anyone who's not on your "team", whether that be the Dem Party or Hillary supporters, cannot be right about anything. That is a very closed minded way of looking at things and a completely wrong way as well.

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AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
104. thats the lamest logical falacy I have seen all day
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:59 AM
May 2016

I suggest sleep and retrenchment for the coming weekend follies.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
111. No argument is being made so there can be no logical fallacy
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:21 AM
May 2016

Just an observation that these right-wing crazies who repeat the "serial liar" talking point somehow manage to be exactly right about Hillary when they are wrong about everything else. It seems odd.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
116. its actually 2 logical fallacies: genetic fallacy and/or guilt by association
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:39 AM
May 2016

the argument (or inference if you will) was

left wing person says A
right wing crazies also say/said A
right crazies are often wrong
therefore A is wrong

Genetic Fallacy - Attempting to endorse or disqualify a claim because of the origin or irrelevant history of the claim.

Guilt by Association - Rejecting an argument or claim because the person proposing it likes someone whom is disliked by another.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
118. It is neither
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:42 AM
May 2016

There is no argument being made. I am making no claim that "A is wrong".

I am observing that it is strange/odd how otherwise unreliable sources about whom there is generally nothing but antipathy here have managed to be correct on this one point.

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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
68. It's amazing how accurate Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage are about HRC
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

Weird how they have her pegged accurately even though they are woefully misguided on everything else. How does that happen?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
80. I'm sure they can accurately describe the color of the sky as well.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

Sky is blue, water is wet, Space Jam sucks, and the Clintons lie a hell of a lot. The distinction seems to be in what they are being accused of lying about.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
81. It sounds like the front page of Reddit and half the content of Twitter.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

You should get out some, take a look around.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. This piece is even more damming than others
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:20 PM
May 2016

this is somebody who believed her... oopsie... becuase I actually heard this today a couple times.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. Yeah but the people I heard that from today
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

were not. One was undecided, the other was a HRC supporter who will stay home

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
49. Well, this is having an effect
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:51 PM
May 2016

the one I actually expected. Scandals have a rhythm to them. The party will have to make their decision, and fairly soon.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
38. I guess the only thing I'm curious about,
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

is if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee of the Democratic Party, will DU continue to attack her just as aggressively right up to November? Maybe we'll find out and maybe not.

But I know where I stand. I stand with the Democratic Party.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
39. So I will mark you down as not giving a fuck that she lied
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

And continues to lie to all of us. I wish I could blindly compromise my principles and integrity enough to dumbly fall in line behind her load of bullshit.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
43. Please do.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

I am 100% opposed to Republican politics and I won't do anything that strengthens or empowers them, or helps them in any way to get the White House in 2016. Everything I value and hope for from government will be reversed and dismantled under a Republican President, in this case Donald Trump. He will empower bigots and racists nationwide; He's promised to undo the Iran agreement; walk away from all climate agreements; he's called the the Environmental Protection Agency "disgraceful"; he wants to sell public lands.

My mind is made up. I'm voting for the Democrat, whoever he or she may be. It's not a tough call for me.

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islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
125. you are correct, to some degree, but seem to expect the extreme to be the only possible outcome...
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:43 AM
May 2016
"I am 100% opposed to Republican politics..."

apparently you are referring to Republican politics (and policies) of the current era (say post-2000), as opposed to Republican politics and policies of the 1980's....

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
135. I have no idea what assumptions you're making about my politics or ethics
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

but I think I have a pretty good idea, and I strongly suspect that you're way, way, off base.

I have definite and strong opinions about a lot of things; civil liberties, war and aggression, social justice, etc. But for simplification, you could say I'm a single issue voter. Clean water, clean air, healthy land, healthy food, open spaces, intact, living, ecosystems, etc.

My vote will always go to the person who will be the better champion of my values. In the case of 2 imperfect choices, it goes to the person who will do the least harm.

In the case of HRC v. Trump, it's not even close. Hillary Clinton recognizes the scientific understanding of climate science and the need for functioning regulatory agencies to enforce laws and regulations for the protection of the environment. She would preserve and defend the hard-won protection of the powerful Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, etc.

Trump has called the Environmental Protection Agency "a disgrace". He's promised to walk away from of all previously negotiated international climate agreements. He's floated the idea of selling off public lands. He's promised to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas production. He would head a Republican Party that stands diametrically opposed to my deepest values.

It's not a tough call.

I didn't vote for HRC in the 2008 primary or in the 2016 primary. I have major disagreements with her in many important areas. I don't agree with her on trade, foreign policy, the proper relationship between business and government, etc.

But Hillary v Trump is not a tough call. It's not even close.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
137. unfortunately for the Democratic Party, the real fight isn't HRC vs Trump....
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

it's Third Way/old-DLC Democratic Party power structure versus roots-Democrats...

their are plenty of good Dems who adhere to, and approve and promote, the policies of the current leadership of the Party, and many of those policies and positions and programs recall Republican positions of the 70s and 80s...

saying Hillary is better than Trump is not exactly proof of anything other than the obvious...that does not equate in any shape or form that Hillary IS GOOD for the country...let alone the Party...

we've been going down this road for 20+ years...many of us are tired of such choices, and the waiting for 4 or 8 years for 'change' is wearing (on both ends of the political spectrum)...

I don't want Trump to even visit the White House...nor do I think the Clintons should move back in....but those appear to be the choices...

many of us don't want to pick the 'lesser of two evils'...we might have to determine who will be the 'less effective' in making anything actually happen with all the gridlock in DC...

too cynical, I'm sure...but in the end, one has to have faith that America will persevere...after all, we survived, not exactly in tact, the Bush/Cheney years....

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
140. If you are 100% opposed to Republican politics then you should be critical of both
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:29 PM
May 2016

Hillary and Obama. And very critical of Bill Clinton who is the one who turned the Democratic Party into another corporate party.

Hillary also has made mention of undoing Obama's diplomacy with Iran.

So really, the only way to not support Republican policy is to get Bernie in the WH.

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pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
42. I stand with HONEST Democrats
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

I don't stand with ones who lie. I defended a lying Democrat once and I won't do it again (at least not knowingly). We have plenty of honest Democrats who will get my support.

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cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
77. Bullshit.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

The things that matter, matter on their own without any regard to labels -- clean water, clean air, healthy food, living ecosystems, freedom to think, speak, and live.

Politics is an unavoidable precondition. It exists whether we like it or not.

A new president will be in the White House in November and that person will either be a Republican or a Democrat. I'll do whatever I can to try to make sure its a Democrat. It's not a tough call for me. Because some things matter to me more than labels.

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cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
99. I think I've made my position
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

pretty clear. The election will be between Donald Trump and either Hillary or Bernie. It's not a tough call for me.

Hillary and Bernie have both been in public life for a long time. There is no reason to have question about where they stand.

Hillary believes in a close relationship between business and government. She believes America has a moral obligation to impose American style capitalism around the world. On the other hand, she believes in the necessity of functioning government institutions and regulatory agencies. She believes in a progressive tax structure. She's not a radical environmentalist (like me) but she agrees with the scientific understanding of the climate and she believes in the need for environmental protection laws and an agency to enforce them.

You think she's no different than Trump and it doesn't matter if a Democrat is in the White House if it's Hillary? Good for you.

I didn't vote for Hillary in the 2008 primary and I didn't vote for her in the 2016 primary. I'm voting for the Democrat in the 2016 GE.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
150. It's not hard. She's been in the public spotlight for almost 3 decades.
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

The real choice in November will be between the Republican, Donald Trump, and the Democrat, yet to be named.

I will be voting for the Democrat yet to be named in November. It's not a tough call for me.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
146. The first things you list as important to you: "clean water, clean air, healthy food,
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

living ecosystem" are not a priority for many Dems. Particularly Hillary. She is pushing for worldwide fracking for one. That kind of says it all.

We need to get out of this team player mindset if we are ever going to change things. That just brings us the lesser of two evils now that the Dem Party is corporate as well. That's just not good enough any more. Especially now that Bernie has shown us it's not necessary.

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cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
149. You're preaching to the choir.
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:10 PM
May 2016

Trump has called the Environmental Protection Agency "a disgrace". He's promised to walk away from of all previously negotiated international climate agreements. He's floated the idea of selling off public lands. He's promised to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas production. He would head a Republican Party that stands diametrically opposed to my deepest values.

So Hillary wants to impose fracking worldwide? Trump will see that bet and raise it. Trump will impose fracking worldwide, and open ANWR to oil and gas, and allow fracking on sensitive public lands, and cripple the EPA, and staff the regulatory agencies with ideological nut-jobs.

For all of my major disagreements with Hillary Clinton over trade, foreign policy, the proper relationship between private business and public government, etc. she at least recognizes the need for functioning regulatory agencies to enforce laws and regulations for the protection of the environment. She agrees with the scientific understanding of climate change. She would preserve the hard-won protections of the Endangered Species Act.

The election is not a tough call for me. When public lands are gone they're gone for good. I know what would happen if Donald Trump was to run the government and staff the federal agencies. He's indicated clearly what his plans are.

If you want to frame it as a choice between "lesser evils", fine. I'll choose lesser evil every time. Choosing greater evil is not even a morally sensible proposition. (Note also that, philosophically speaking, the "lesser evil" choice can just as easily be expressed as a choice of "greater good" without changing the heart of the question in any way.)

The choice in November between "lesser evil" or "greater good" is a consequential one. That is, unlike a choice between The Beach Boys and The Beatles, it's a choice with meaningful consequences. Furthermore, it's a "forced choice", that is if you don't choose someone will choose for you.

In a forced choice between "lesser evil" or "greater good" I'll choose the lesser evil, or the greater good every time. I'm at a complete loss to understand any moral framework in which this is even a sensible question.

I don't have any illusions or misconceptions about who Hillary Clinton is and what she believes. She's an open book with a long public record. I'm voting for the Democrat in November, whoever he or she might be. Party reform can wait for the hour it takes me to vote. I'll defend and support all Democratic candidates in this election season, Hillary, Bernie, whoever.




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LynnTTT

(362 posts)
131. But here's the problem
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:43 AM
May 2016

-Previous Secretaries also used private email to conduct State Department business
-It's still permissible to use private email accounts for State business
-Everyone she ever sent an email to had to know she was using private email; clearly the emails did not have the "state.gov" extension. So everyone knew she was using a private email account and no one questioned it
-There is no evidence that her private server was hacked, while many government servers have been
-Stop saying that "just because the previous Secretary didn't turn in his records when required to legally doesn't mean she was right not to". Precedent does count.

She's already said it was a mistake. I believe she did use the server (which was already set up) out of convenience and a wish for privacy relating to her personal emails.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
147. Will this shit be allowed when she clinches the nom?
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

I pine for the days when the DU actually had Democrats in the majority. Who's in the majority now you ask? You tell me.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
152. Did anyone actually read the report, this article isn't representing the facts at all.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

Not too surprising, but hopefully when Hillary clinches next week, and the Sanders folks have had time to calm down, they will take a fresh look at this and realize one big thing.

Whenever the IG report talked about notifying the Secretary of State's office, they didn't mean directly notifying Hillary, but instead whoever screens her emails, who passed them on to some IT person without Hillary knowing anything about it. There has to be some direct connection for any wrong doing to be found.

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