2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie: I should know more about Latin America, but I'm running for President right now.
Sanders spoke about the drug war and immigration, but when pressed on the levels of violence in Central America caused by the U.S. deportation of hardened gang members, the Vermont Senator said Look, youre asking me questions about the impact on Central America, which honestly I should know more than I do know.
Sanders balked again when asked about the situation in South America.
You are asking me questions about Latin America that I am very interested in but right now Im running for president of the United States, Sanders said in response to a question about the implosion of left wing governments in Venezuela, Argentina and Brazil.
http://fusion.net/video/307108/bernie-sanders-acknowledges-he-should-know-more-about-latin-america/
OMG. What a terrible terrible interview for the Candidate. His lack of foreign policy is quite obvious, even to himself!
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have no idea what conspiracy this is
think
(11,641 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Wha'happen?
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)On overthrowing democratically elected governments and turning countries into failed states. She excels in that.
Dangerous, dangerous woman.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)in my opinion.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It was weird how dismissive he was about drug gangster returning to SA and causing more problems down there.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Is typical Hillspeak
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sheshe2
(83,708 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)OMG. What a terrible terrible interview for the Candidate on ABC today. Her persistent lack of Email policy rules is quite obvious, even to herself!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)On brown folks down there.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)And you make a good case that she should not be in charge.
sheshe2
(83,708 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I'm guessing you didn't get it.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)the levels of violence in central america *caused* by the US deportation of hardened gang members?
Whaaaaaaa?
That's so untruthful and shifting the blame that my jaw dropped.
But Bernie should have had a much better answer for it. He lacks any and all finesse and political subtlety.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And they do contribute somewhat to the problem, but not the majority of it, for sure.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)to reveal his taxes.
Corporate666
(587 posts)entering a username *AND* a password on the Turbotax site takes some time. That must be at least 10, 15 keystrokes.
And it's not like there is any precedent for releasing tax returns. It's a ridiculous demand that is only ever made of Bernie.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)he is far better informed than Trump, and we already know and can see that the things Hillary knows and does are disastrous.
So he would be a better choice than either of the others.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hillary knows her stuff
Baobab
(4,667 posts)simply "knowing ones stuff" is not an asset if what one knows and does is evil.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)So he better know something.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Did Obama have a terrible foreign policy too, then?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He articulated a clear doctrine. Bernie? NOTHING.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Example- her healthcare plan was a coverup of a scheme that made affordable health care impossible globally - to lock people into bad policy and hijack democracy, for corporations.
Thats an example of what we're going to get if she wins.
with friends like that who needs enemies.
ecstatic
(32,673 posts)IMO, he's shown very little curiosity, very little thinking about how to realistically implement his own ideas.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's all rhetoric
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... the GOP.
I starting to think that this guy never thought he'd get a million votes so he never had to think shit through
Hekate
(90,616 posts)He's spent an entire lifetime saying the same things over and over and over again, so he can recite his stump speech in his sleep. What his fans think of as being steady as a rock on principle seems to me to be a case of never having to bring anything into the real world where the messy business of things gets DONE. So he really has never been forced to flesh his ideas out all that much or to bring the criticism of others to bear.
Clinton, otoh, lambasted for shifting her stances, has actually been in the real world where you have to acknowledge the ideas and wishes of other people in order to get anything accomplished -- and the list of her accomplishments is very long.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...is caused by the US deportation of gang members, what would you say?
(I've never heard of a candidate being asked that before.)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And that we should give them into the hands of authorities of the nation of their origen in all cases in the future so they can decide whether to release them among the population. But thats just me.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)Cause all you've done is give the flim flam that politicos give when tthey've nothing to say. At least B is honest and admits when he has no answer.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)And meaningless.
6chars
(3,967 posts)but bernie really should know this stuff if he wants to be running for president. he has been in the house and senate for several decades. how can he not know this stuff?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Why doesnt he go to them? Why? This is just sad.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)he needs to retire already, both from this primary and politics.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I just decided that folks wanting to take his comittee assignments are right. We should. Embarassing
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when he didn't know anything about the peace talks in Colombia.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is embarassing as hell
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Clueless. He could lose Florida for us.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hekate
(90,616 posts)When you consider that the smallest state is entitled to the same number of Senators as the largest state (California, at 39 million) it really brings home to you the skewed power of the Senate if they fail in their duties as a deliberative body. But that's a different conversation.
The point is, with a population that small, the chance of everybody knowing everybody is pretty great, kind of like I know my House Representative here in California, though chances of getting to know either of my Senators is slim to none. As long as the Senator of a small state keeps taking care of his constituents adequately, he can stay forever and be as eccentric as he likes, just as with House Reps.
dubyadiprecession
(5,702 posts)He doesn't pivot much from his working class script.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Hillary has already made her bones south of the border. And I mean that in the fullest sense of the phrase.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)coup in Honduras is incredibly despicable the really sick thing is her wanting to send the refugee children back.
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Raster
(20,998 posts)...emotional investment in all things Hillary. And most of them just can't comprehend that 80% of Americans find Clinton UNTRUSTWORTHY, even more so than the dreaded tRump, not to mention, that the "nothingburger" email and server issues may well turn out to be quite the issues, contrary, of course to the official HRC line, which may have further detrimental effect to the Clinton campaign.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... I'd be the front-runner right now."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... that the presidency of the United States isn't a "learn-on-the job" position.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I cannot remember, I'm not old enough. Been a long time since he said new stuff.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)I've no doubt that his interpretation of "learn on the job" re the presidency means the rest of the world learns that Bernie doesn't know anything - and they'd damned well better learn to accept that.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Or in other words, "goddammit I'm running for president right now! Why do people keep asking me about shit that a president is supposed to know??!! Just let me run for president!"
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The issues that animate his candidacy the most are domestic ones.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Be horrible in the GE. But then again, Trump has no clue either.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)on foreign policy the night before one of the debates?
Looks like he still hasn't done that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That was the extent of the 'foreign policy' we are going to get
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)for openly admitting that he is absolutely clueless about that part of the world, as opposed to trying to obfuscate and make things up.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)When asked about breaking up the banks a few weeks ago, he also wasn't able to provide a knowledgeable answer. And that's a key tenant of his political platform.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)He knows how to flail his arms around when he talks...at least there is that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)A vague idea that they are too big though, but no idea what to do about it. Just break them!!!
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)and then buy NYC subway tokens.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Use the money to buy new 8 tracks of his spoken word album.
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Alittleliberal
(528 posts)Are you talking about the NYDN article? Because Bernie was very clear. His answer was correct and you're participating in a hatchet job.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)What's wrong with it, in your opinion?
Number23
(24,544 posts)And does nothing for the idea that alot of folks have that beyond screaming about billionaires, there is very little to his campaign or his policies.
ecstatic
(32,673 posts)acceptable this late in the game. How hard is it to take 15-30 minutes to study Latin American issues the night before an interview like that? Or even the morning of (if you're a severe procrastinator like me).
I'm sorry, but that level of slacking is NOT OK with me--we're taking about the presidency here. If "President Bernie" doesn't know WTF is going on, there will be assholes who are ready and willing to take advantage of his ignorance. President Obama and/or Hillary would NEVER walk into an interview of that nature unprepared.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Involved with Latin America to the extent of visiting Nicarguaxand setting up a sister city program, and was an active opponent against US actions and Contras. He was criticized in Burlington for being too engaged in Latin America
He is being honest that he has been focused on other issues this campaign. I'd rather someone give an honest answer unlike Clinton who has a glib answer for everything on every subject...Her actions as SoS were not always sterling.
...I am certain if he were president he would have a team who are experts...
But what the fuck. He's not Clinton so he is the devil....
I Shouldn't even wade into this den of uninformed knee jerk reactions
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Not everything is a conspiracy
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Just a knee jerk negstive response to anything he says or does....
I should know better than to even try to inject another opinion. So go ahead and have your fun
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He knew it was on his schedule
okasha
(11,573 posts)Latin America has changed substantially since then, and a US President needs to know about economic and political conditions now.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Article II:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Sad ain't it?
You oligarch.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nobody wanted to count them. It was sad.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)#BernieMath, that's how.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But only to protest of course.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)in Vermont.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)January 20, 2017, we will still have folks saying he's almost got enough delegates to beat her.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Using #BerniMath.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yay!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It ain't easy.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)position for decades longer. Obama was worldly beyond any measure -- pure genius.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)mcar
(42,287 posts)Kind of like when he said he hadn't studied how to break up the big banks.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sorry, I have no idea of what you all do in this nation, I am being President of the USA.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)The Daily News reporter just didn't understand the issue. She conflated the Treasury department and the Fed. Bernie gave an answer regarding working through the Treasury department using a provision in Dodd Frank. The "I haven't studied" part was in response to the reporters silly response about the Fed. He also mentioned they could just be prosecuted on FRAUD! Because banks who sold toxic mortgage packages COMMITTED FRAUD. You are acting like a Republican by continuing to spew this bullshit.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)BootinUp
(47,135 posts)Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)He's just going to reneg on all treaties, impose significant import tariffs and create sn isolationist mecca where all the jobs will come back to America
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bernie has none of that
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)is meaningless to the empire.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)the U.S. allied themselves with in Honduras 1%.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)in Latin America! Having said that, it equates to Mrs. Clinton apologizing for her email fiasco. Just let it be, it is here nor there when it comes to politics! Mrs. Clinton said she would have done it differently and apologized, most people accept it. Why are you trying to gain points about Mr. Sanders lack of knowledge of Latin America?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The nominee does not get a pass on foreign policy.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)should be MORE in tune to what's going on in Latin America than the average politician. At the very least, he should be able to tell us where say, Chavismo went wrong and the implications for socialism.
What a fraud.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Unfortunately, most of what they know is no better than what Ronald Reagan knew.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)about "he ought to know more about it" to be refreshing.
Honesty and transparency in a politician feels like drinking water to me.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I do not find absolute ignorance refreshing in the slightest
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)gets to run for President. SMDH
And on the other side a demagogue carnival sideshow barker is running...just DAMN.
Tal Vez
(660 posts)Trump would have said something idiotic and derogatory about the Latins.
I have no problem with a candidate admitting that he doesn't know everything about everything. Who does?
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)sagat
(241 posts)At least he didn't storm out this time, I guess.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hekate
(90,616 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and what they don't know, and is willing to admit what they don't know; than someone who spouts off their opinions whether they know what they're talking about or not.
YMMV
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BootinUp
(47,135 posts)sadly, its pretty much a direct quote.