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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:46 PM May 2016

Why Bernie Sanders Still Can — and Should — Win the Nomination



Rose Ann DeMoro
Executive director, National Nurses United (AFL-CIO) and California Nurses Association


A troika of the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and their echo chamber in the major media are laboring to assure everyone that the Democratic nomination process is over.

They’ve failed to convince the people who actually vote and see Bernie Sanders wins in Indiana, West Virginia, Oregon, and a virtual tie in Kentucky. Here’s 10 reasons why Bernie can still win, is the strongest candidate for November, and is helping build something the nation desperately needs.

1. Sanders, the best bet to beat Trump - just wait until the debate.

The latest average of polls give Clinton an edge of less than 2 points over Trump, Sanders an edge five times greater. While narrowing Clinton’s margin, Trump has yet to make a dent on Sanders’ lead - the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll May 22 has Clinton plus 3 on Trump, Sanders plus 15.

State polls buttress the numbers. Ohio: Clinton plus 5, Sanders plus 9. Pennsylvania: Clinton plus 1, Sanders plus 6. New Hampshire: Clinton plus 2, Sanders plus 16. North Carolina: Clinton plus 9, Sanders plus 18. New Jersey: Clinton plus 7, Sanders plus 12. Arizona: Clinton minus 4, Sanders plus 1. Georgia: Clinton, minus 4, Sanders plus 5. And just in from California: Clinton plus 10, Sanders plus 17.


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10. It’s about the future

Or as Sanders also explained, the enthusiasm “should be a message to the Democratic Party” that the vision and hope being inspired today, especially among young people, “is the future of America.”

Political views and preferences formed at historic ruptures can affix political allegiances for decades. Following the Civil War, the anti-slavery Republican Party controlled the White House for half a century. Similarly, the New Deal coalition - the Democratic Party alliance with working class America born during the Great Depression - dominated U.S. politics for decades.

If the Democratic Party today aligns itself, especially with young voters, for a clear vision that rejects the neo-liberal policies that have ruled both major parties since the 1970s, and embraces an agenda for transforming the nation they can ride the wave of change. Or be left behind.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/why-bernie-sanders-still_b_10154256.html


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Why Bernie Sanders Still Can — and Should — Win the Nomination (Original Post) Uncle Joe May 2016 OP
K&R amborin May 2016 #1
Heck yes!! Ned_Devine May 2016 #2
I prefer electing our nominee with actual voting rather than polls. redstateblues May 2016 #3
Apparently there is still lots of voting yet to take place. Uncle Joe May 2016 #4
And the proportional delegation leaves no plausible way for Sanders to win more then 2/3rds mythology May 2016 #5
Regarding the word "plausible" Uncle Joe May 2016 #6
Yes, and it's not really "believable" that Sanders will end up with more PD than Clinton. Garrett78 May 2016 #12
There is a major difference between pledged and super-delegates, Uncle Joe May 2016 #13
That's a misconception. PDs aren't actually bound either. Garrett78 May 2016 #18
It's disengenuous to use Superdelegates to compute the required "magic number" and then not count SFnomad May 2016 #7
Until the actual convention Super-delegates are just a glorified poll, they can change their minds. Uncle Joe May 2016 #9
But they're not going to change their minds ... we ALL know that SFnomad May 2016 #10
I learned long ago not to presume what "ALL" people know much less to speak Uncle Joe May 2016 #11
It will be all over on June 7th n/t SFnomad May 2016 #14
You may be correct but I don't believe Hillary will drop out of the race by then. n/t Uncle Joe May 2016 #15
She not only won't drop out of the race by then ... she's not going to drop out, period. n/t SFnomad May 2016 #16
The person on track to win a clear majority of the pledged delegates won't drop out? Garrett78 May 2016 #20
Off course she will, if the Sanders supporters wish hard enough SharonClark May 2016 #26
K&R SalviaBlue May 2016 #8
All he needs is 90% of the vote in California. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #17
;) sheshe2 May 2016 #19
But, Bernie deserves this! grossproffit May 2016 #21
Well, probably more like 70-75%. Garrett78 May 2016 #22
And to have 400 Superdelegates to switch sides for no reason. baldguy May 2016 #25
If he were to actually end up with 2026 or more PDs, they'd have a reason. Garrett78 May 2016 #27
K&R nt Live and Learn May 2016 #23
K & R AzDar May 2016 #24
He'd better win, or we're all totally screwn. Zorra May 2016 #28
... Uncle Joe May 2016 #29

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
3. I prefer electing our nominee with actual voting rather than polls.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

Once the Rs looped video of Bernie promising to raise taxes on the middle class he would not be leading anything

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
4. Apparently there is still lots of voting yet to take place.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016


4. Lots of votes still to be counted

More than 7.7 million Democrats in California alone, and several million more independents, are eligible to vote in the California Democratic primary June 7. Voter registration, especially among young Democrats inspired by Sanders candidacy, has exploded this year. On the final day of registration May 23, despite the media drumbeat that their votes don’t matter, nearly 200,000 Californians registered to vote in the primary.

Voters in the District of Columbia, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Puerto Rico, South Dakota, and the Virgin Islands are also yet to be heard from. That’s 781 pledged delegates still to be won, nearly three times the current difference between Clinton and Sanders.

It remains highly unlikely that either candidate will reach the magic number of bound delegates by the end of the primary season. Clinton would need to win 79 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to clinch prior to the convention. That will not happen.


 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
5. And the proportional delegation leaves no plausible way for Sanders to win more then 2/3rds
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

of the remaining delegates.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
6. Regarding the word "plausible"
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:04 PM
May 2016


adjective
1.
having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable:
a plausible excuse; a plausible plot.
2.
well-spoken and apparently, but often deceptively, worthy of confidence or trust:
a plausible commentator.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/plausible?s=t

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Yes, and it's not really "believable" that Sanders will end up with more PD than Clinton.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:45 PM
May 2016

And since the person who ends up with more pledged delegates always becomes the nominee...

Clinton will likely end up with around 2200 pledged delegates. Technically, neither pledged delegates nor superdelegates are official until the convention, but that doesn't make the inevitable any less inevitable.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
13. There is a major difference between pledged and super-delegates,
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:52 PM
May 2016

pledged delegates are required to vote for the candidate that their people voted for them to choose, super-delegates are under no such constraint.

Until all the states have voted NO ONE KNOWS how many pledged delegates the candidates will have.

Furthermore insofar as super-delegates are concerned, evolving external dynamics may alter their current choice.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
18. That's a misconception. PDs aren't actually bound either.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:03 AM
May 2016

Nonetheless, it's a safe bet that the pledged delegate leader will be nominated, since that's what's happened every single time.

Sanders would need to win more than 67% of the remaining delegates just to finish with 2026. Some 200 of the remaining delegates come from NJ, DC and Puerto Rico. It's been pretty clear since mid-March that Clinton will (in all likelihood) end up with a majority of pledged delegates.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
7. It's disengenuous to use Superdelegates to compute the required "magic number" and then not count
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:05 PM
May 2016

Superdelegates when looking at how close the candidates are to that magic number.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
9. Until the actual convention Super-delegates are just a glorified poll, they can change their minds.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

Many if not hundreds had committed to Hillary before ANY other candidate even announced, long before the first debate much less actual votes were tallied.

The corporate media conglomerates were instructed not to use them in their total but disregarded the advice and did so anyway.

They had/have/are using that number as a propaganda tool to distort, disillusion and discourage actual voters from participating in the democratic process portraying Hillary as the "inevitable" candidate.

In this regard the corporate media conglomerates did not serve the Republic much less the concept of democracy well.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
10. But they're not going to change their minds ... we ALL know that
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

Secretary Clinton is going to have a majority of the Pledged Delegate ... and there is no way in hell that the Superdelegates are going to go against the will of the people. Anyone that thinks it's a possibility is delusional.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
11. I learned long ago not to presume what "ALL" people know much less to speak
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

for how other people will vote in the future.

There are simply too many unknown dynamics at play.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
20. The person on track to win a clear majority of the pledged delegates won't drop out?
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:49 AM
May 2016

The hell you say!

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