2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNYT Editorial: "Hillary Clinton, Drowning in Email"
From the very same editorial board that was so quick to endorse her . . .
By THE EDITORIAL BOARDMAY 26, 2016
Hillary Clintons campaign for the presidency just got harder with the release of the State Department inspector generals finding that significant security risks were posed by her decision to use a private email server for personal and official business while she was secretary of state. Contrary to Mrs. Clintons claims that the department had allowed the arrangement, the inspector general also found that she had not sought or received approval to use the server.
So far, no security breaches have been reported; a separate F.B.I. investigation is looking into that. But above and beyond security questions, the inspector generals report is certain to fuel doubts about Mrs. Clintons trustworthiness, lately measured as a significant problem for her in public polls.
Across the years of the Clintons ascendancy, the public has seen that Mrs. Clinton can be fiercely protective of her role and prerogatives at times grudging in admitting error and, during Bill Clintons presidency, blaming a vast right-wing conspiracy for allegations against her and her husband that began early in his tenure and continued on through the impeachment scandal. (The right wing was definitely on his case, but hardly alone in its doubts about Mr. Clintons personal conduct.)
This defensive posture seems at play in the email controversy, as well as her refusal, for that matter, to release the lucrative speeches she made to Wall Street audiences. The reflex she is revealing again now to hunker down when challenged is likely to make her seem less personable to many voters, and it will surely inflame critics charges of an underlying arrogance.
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FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)They called it "Self Inflicted" scandal
AzDar
(14,023 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Everyone expects it to keep on holding because you know... The PAST!
HRC's campaigns have always argued her capacity for self-induced scandals ACTUALLY show great resilience against opponents, while dismissing her propensity for self-induced scandals. Not one of them believed that one day this would lead to getting ensnared.
When Biden was a political opponent he was painted as always running his mouth and getting into trouble. That was fatal to Biden's presidential aspirations.
This has been a very educational election cycle. Perhaps the best in my life at revealing how campaigns involve fiction and how much successful fiction depends upon willing suspension of disbelief.
amborin
(16,631 posts)ician"
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)What a terrible article for her!
The NYT is become anti-Hillary....
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)What the hell were they thinking?
How clueless/arrogant/entitled/dumb do you have to be to make such a decision?
You work for the government, use the God damned government devices and email accounts.
Jesus Christ.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Hillary's steadfast refusal to release the transcripts of her speeches to banks gives an indication of why she would prefer a server over which she had complete control.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Why not use the government email like normal and have a private email on a private server for all the other shady business. Combining them was a terrible rookie move.
sorechasm
(631 posts)Maybe it was all 'shady business' as you say.
It appears that her 'personal' business (the Clinton Foundation profits) took precedence over her public service. Did she consider the SOS position as merely a stepping stone to the WH, and consequently not worth the trouble of following the rules?
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)She never stopped wanting the biggest prize of all.
That blind ambition blinded her to the realities and significance of her responsibilities.
Unbelievable quest for power and influence-- the family foundations alone, and then add to that POTUS...
Way too much, epic overreaching. It's Shakespearean.
madokie
(51,076 posts)You would think that anyone who has been wanting that big prize of the white house like she has since bill walked into the oval office she'd know better. After all she is educated in LAW.. Graduated and passed the bar anyway. Apparently it didn't take with her though. What a shame.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)gov business, shady business - probably too much overlap for her.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Look at the Qaddafi's Gold e-mail posted earlier today.
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)"we came, we saw, he died".
She might just be toast with that one.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Hillary is arrogant and entitled, but not clueless and dumb. She didn't fill the IG position the entire 4 years in office, we now know why. She leveraged her position as SoS to make deals for the Clinton Foundation, evidence of which would have been on that private email server but we'll never know because there's no audit trail.
The desperate-to-be queen had absolute control over the emails she wrote as SoS (that didn't belong to her). It may not have been illegal, but certainly is underhanded and wrong.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)not personable, arrogant--sure those are true of her, but those aren't the issues here. Honesty, judgment and criminal behavior are the issues. She's shown herself to be totally dishonest. She used abysmal judgment. And the FBI is investigating her for criminal acts. The Times had to know all of this when they endorsed her.
She's going to be an albatross around the neck of the Democratic party.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)"But . . . TRUMP!" only goes so far as a campaign strategy.
madokie
(51,076 posts)an albatross around our necks
FourScore
(9,704 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)bigtree
(85,986 posts)...of course.
Not about the law, rules, consequence, but politics.
This contrasted against a primary loser and a republican rodeo clown.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I just hope it doesn't bring the Democratic party to its collective knees!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Hillary not only fucked herself, but fucked over the Democratic party.
Reminds me of Bill and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)backing off her word and canceling the last primary debate in May before the June 7th primaries.
Hillary has gone into hunker down mode, and is now just trying to run out the clock, she wants to avoid national scrutiny after this devastating report because it clearly contradicts everything she has been telling the national American Audience at previous debates and interviews for at least a year now.
If Hillary ever makes it to the general election, she will be afforded no such luxury.
Thanks for the thread, markpkessinger.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . if I were caught discussing any matter related to the firm's business on my own private email server, it would be grounds for immediate termination, irrespective of whether or not the firm was damaged by it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There are rumors that she was pushed out of State but in any case this is basically office gossip aka old news.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . it would appear you are mistaken.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...you can bet your boots that other people care as well. In fact the NYT is influential enough that their caring will create lots of others who care.
Surely you know this. I suspect you were quite pleased when the NYT editorial board endorsed Clinton's candidacy. Just a guess...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Gonna launch into yet another lameass attempt at a chickenshit Joe McCarthy style red scare this morning?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Which is that the Democratic Party needs to dump Hillary for Bernie to avoid a debacle in November.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)seems to be the way the campaign and its supporters want to operate.