Uh-Oh! Hillary Clinton DID NOT Hand Over Key Emails Cited In Scathing State Department Report...

[AzDar]

From The Link:

http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-origin-of-key-clinton-emails-from-report-are-a-mystery-2016-5

A key email from Hillary Clinton to a top State Department aide in 2010 expressing worry that her personal messages could become "accessible" to outsiders is cited in a new inspector general's report on her emails. But Clinton did not turn over that particular email, which was later obtained by the investigators.

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee was supposed to have turned over all work-related emails to the State Department for public release. That public release was supposedly completed at the end of February.

But the agency's watchdog found three emails never seen before by the public, including Clinton's explanation for why she wanted her emails kept private — "I don't want any risk of the personal being accessible," one of Clinton's emails read in November 2010 — and details of hacking attempts on her personal computer server, written by her former IT director in January 2011.

The existence of these previously unreleased messages — which appear to have been found among electronic files of four former top Clinton State Department aides — renews concerns that Clinton was not completely forthcoming when she turned over a trove of 55,000 pages of work-related emails. And it has drawn fresh criticism from presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Clinton's physical server is currently being investigated by the FBI.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-origin-of-key-clinton-emails-from-report-are-a-mystery-2016-5

[tabasco]

1. Setting up email server in basement to avoid public scrutiny;

jeopardizing national security by sending messages unsecured; not cooperating with an investigation; lots of missing emails; acting like she's above the law; wanting to conduct government in secret; lying about not breaking the rules.

[font size=6]WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE?[/font]

[FreakinDJ]

2. FUCK it just doesn't stop

[CorporatistNation]

39. THIS Is ONLY The Beginning... THIS Is NOT Going To Stop!

As a prescient individual I expected all along that THIS was WHERE all things Hillary were going.... What a shame...

[Aerows]

3. I believe that I have mentioned a time or two

that deleting email in an amateurish fashion does not dispose of it, rather merely deletes the index pointers within the database.

Everything about her server operation was amateurish, and you can bank on the fact that more things like this trickle out before the big bang happens.

I believe everyone knows [font color=maroon size=2] exactly[/font] what that will be.

It's rather interesting to see the primary players in the attempts at spin on this in the last couple of days, and I mean both in the MSM and on social media. There are going to be a few folks hemming and hawing. I wonder if they will throw her under the bus for the sake of their own reputations?

It remains to be seen how the public end of this shakes out. I do believe it will be a doozy just because of how much and how many have invested in damage control.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. You do IT iirc. I pretend

7 wipes, and the Intel agencies standard includes grinding these machines to dust, including RAM due to latent info in the RAM boards

[Aerows]

7. 45,000+ node email network and servers.

I'm the last person to suggest data recovery for a failed email server is impossible.

2GB DB files that "can't" be recovered? Artful hex-editing was just the beginning.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. LMAO true

[Aerows]

9. Oh, there are DB's hanging around out there

on cloud servers and their redundancy systems due to them backing them up with two different companies.

You would have to know absolutely nothing of data recovery at minimum to think they aren't lurking all over the place.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I know.

Did I mention cloud is against the rules? Yup, in the report. They don't allow Dropbox...for example

[Aerows]

22. For the very reason that I mentioned.

Too limited of an ability to finely tune restriction to access.

It needs to rest with a few responsible individuals that put their careers on the line for failing at following procedure, a failsafe mechanism that can audit if procedures were violated, and an ability to constrain leaks that occur.

We already know there are failures left and right in this regard, but the names of assets whose lives were directly in danger were not compromised by Mr. Snowden no matter how affronted certain folks got by his revelations. An unencrypted server sitting out on the internet with national security data with :shudder: open goddamn ports :shudder: is a hell of a different ball game.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Newsweek has a story on that.

The media narrative hardened over the last 48 hours

[cliffordu]

38. I'd like to see you write an OP on this.

I'd like to hear something from a pro....I'm just an obsessed Linux freak who used to roll his own....

And I know just how dangerous what she did is.

The US might not have any more state secrets.....

[NWCorona]

53. Latent data is a huge issue.

[amborin]

14. +10000 she's finished

[noiretextatique]

32. Pshaw...it''s HER TURN!!!!

None of these minor legal or judgement issues matter one bit. And it's all a part of the vast RW conspriracy that's brainwashed anyone who doesn't believe that she is the most honest politician anyway. Do I need the sarcasm thingy?

[Merryland]

51. She is blind to how she is perceived, I think -

having been surrounded by sycophants and brownnosers for decades, she cannot fathom her own corruption.

[scscholar]

54. If that was her goal, ...

then why did she actually provide 55,000 pages of email? Your attack doesn't make any logical sense.t

[tabasco]

56. Because that was not all of them.

Thanks for playing.

[Zen Democrat]

55. Are we going to have another paranoid president - like Nixon? God help us!

[JudyM]

4. I keep thinking about Paglianos missing months of emails... and his immunity deal...

and wondering if part of the FBI case is actually going to be directed at a coverup => a suggestion by someone that certain docs shouldn't be turned over to State.

There's no upcoming testimony by the server hosting company, though, so maybe it is only about her own team. But then again, if it's at that level of criminality, I can't see the FBI not putting more out there to the public already. Unless they really don't care if tRump wins the GE.

[Aerows]

6. Charges of violation of national security

by the cloud computing host and all of the employees at that time, or at least harsh vetting of them is on the horizon. That's why the wide eyed "she never told us that" business of the last few days for a few that want to maintain credibility.

[JudyM]

11. How are they expected to know about recordkeeping rules, though? There should've been a contract

that spelled that out, of course, which is further stupefying negligence on Clinton's part. Don't know if there's a "should've known" standard for these contractors, I doubt it.

They were hired to maintain the server, etc, not even to look at the docs. I would think their duty was just ordinary care for the maintenance/hosting whatever they were hired to do.

[Aerows]

12. Everybody is under bond

at certain levels of IT. Not the employee's problem, but the bond issuer for the company liability.

[JudyM]

13. That doesn't define a broader range of responsibility, though. Not sure how you mean that would

increase their liability to encompass national security issues...

[Aerows]

16. There is a substantial amount of insurance

taken out to ensure a guarantee against liability for a corporation (background checks are pretty blase, but everybody gets fingerprinted, credit report, etc.) that is taken out on employees (provided one isn't stupid) that hold positions where there is the potential for contact with sensitive data. For some, that is much higher due to the liability were such data to be mishandled.

Sorry if that is vague, but to be honest with you, I'm more on the tech end of things. I never had to worry about that sort of stuff because I'm not a bad apple and have no desire to delve into the nitty gritty of liability beyond absolute awareness of security protocols.

I'm sure an liability/attorney could answer those questions far better than my limited knowledge on the administrative/legal/I-don't-want-to-know-because-I-don't-want-to-be-an-accountant abilities can readily advise on.

[JudyM]

21. Ok I see where you're going with this. There's protection for the company. Two things are likely,

IMO: the bond will not cover criminality, if national security breaches are being alleged that's likely outside the scope. Second, I really doubt that the Feds could make a case stick about national security against the server/maintenance contractor. I'm not an expert in that field of law, but I just don't see it happening.

[Aerows]

24. That's pretty much

it in a nutshell, and sorry I ventured off into the weeds trying to put it succinctly.

[JudyM]

26. Ha, np. This is such a crazy case. Seems like historic proportions.

[Aerows]

29. It's simple in my mind

but I guess in legalese, accountingese, somebody being held accountable for putting national security in jeopardy-ese, it's way more difficult.

Introduction of what we have to know for MS servers (ha ha)

[morningfog]

17. ALL of Pagliano's emails are missing.

Three months of Hillary are.

Plus at least these three disclosed in the report.

Who know how many the OIG or more importantly the FBI recovers which were wrongfully deleted.

The OIG report raised more questions than answers.

[JudyM]

18. Why the hell would someone at his level destroy all his emails -unless he were told to...

[morningfog]

20. The FBI knows why now.

[JudyM]

25. I also keep thinking about her dumping tens of thousands of pages of paper on State instead of

soft copy. Was it just to thumb her nose at the process? Or was she thinking it would take so long to go through them that they wouldn't be able to charge her till after she was nominated?

If she has done what appears may have been the case, whether negligently or intentionally subverting records/FOIA rules, and possibly running deals between State and the Clinton Foundation, is she still possibly thinking she can skate?

[Aerows]

28. Well, all of this avoids something that is pretty standard.

Email journaling. That means that every email into and out of a server has a copy made in a repository. I can't remember the specific law, but it has been in effect since the early 90's that require industry that engages in finance, legal, or public interest to journal.

This is what is so mind-boggling to me that I am unable to even grasp it.

It is a REQUIREMENT of so many messaging systems, including instant messaging systems, that I am beyond stunned that nobody brings this up.

Is it that damn technical?

This is 20 year old standard practice. 90% of Americans probably work at a place of business that if they use email, journal it for record keeping. If you work in legal/financial/insurance/public administration, you certainly do.

[JudyM]

30. I think they were doing some shady dealings and didn't want to risk hiring a top tier IT firm out of

concern they might catch something.

Why else, if they have all this money, were they going with a mom and pop server and a jethro IT guy?

[Aerows]

31. Which is pretty much

the conclusion that everybody that is familiar with the "arms deals that coincide with donations to the Clinton Foundation", "Bill's speeches during her time as SoS that were paid by folks in countries with interests during her term for favorable outcomes", and "KSA, a country with oppressive views towards women donated $30M and got a celebrated amount of F-15 jets in use against Yemen at present" came to when they realized what it all added up to.

[snagglepuss]

44. Seems to be Clintons' MO as the Clinton Foundation uses a mom & pop

accounting firm out of Little Rock with no expertise dealing with international accounting. Also interesting is that Madoff used a small mom& pop accounting firm.

[ljm2002]

46. My understanding of the paper copies is...

...that State's rules for turning in emails from private accounts specifies they should be printed out and turned over in that form. Of course, those rules assumed that such emails would be a small percentage of the total emails of the State employee in question.

In Clinton's case, all of her emails were from her private email account that was maintained from her private server. So she followed the letter of the rule (not a law), but really, not the spirit of it, by turning over all of her emails in hard copy format.

This indicates to me a cavalier attitude, playing games with the rules in a way that may have seemed advantageous to her at the time -- seeing as how paper copy makes it harder to go through everything or to do even a simple search.

But the question is moot now, since the FBI has recovered many if not all emails in electronic format.

[JudyM]

47. Good points.

[IdaBriggs]

49. They dumped them to word and then edited before printing.

It's already been stated that some of the emails she turned in don't match with the ones other people turned in -- hers are "missing things".

[JudyM]

58. See, that's going to bite her hard. She assumed the deluge would overwhelm the analytics.

[IdaBriggs]

59. I posted about it a few weeks ago.

226 RECS and a lot of pissed off Hillary people.

She's SUCH A LIAR. And she thinks people are STUPID.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511880685

I also did a very nice thread about "the basics" when I was first wrapping my head around this mess back on April 4 that got 101 RECS --

Hillary's Email Scandal for Non-Techy People
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511643968

Might be time for an update.

[JudyM]

61. Yes! Those were both useful posts!

[Yupster]

15. "not completely forthcoming"

Gotta love a talented wordsmith.

[silvershadow]

19. bookmarked.

[JDPriestly]

27. K&R.

[840high]

33. Thank you. k/r

[leveymg]

34. The emails from Cheryl Mills about the NSA refusal to clone the President's secure phone for Hillary

also wasn't turned over. That email provides a view of the possible motive for setting up the private server to which HRC connected the Blackberry the NSA warned was insecure and should not be used.

[Aerows]

35. The refusal to clone the blackberry that obama specifically

had made for him is a whole other ball of wax.

It has been discussed on DU before as to why she was refused one, but negligence rather than nefarious purposes now seems to me to be the reason.

You don't hand the President a phone that has specs that a negligent SoS is using with the ability of everybody she is flying around to meet the capability to hack.

I could launch into other speculation, but at this point, it isn't necessary and is effectively superfluous.

[leveymg]

37. Actually, the court docs show HRC wanted six Obama phones. NSA refused.

No wonder why. So rather than accepting the standard Department secure phone offered running through the Department server she willfully and knowingly connected and operated her unsecure Blackberry through the private Foundation server on her house. Hillary and her codefendants then withheld these emails.

I can hear a competent federal prosecutor establishing criminal intent on that basis.

[Merryland]

52. Wah! Wah! I want what the President has! Cause I was supposed to be President!

[leveymg]

36. The email withheld point straight to motive and criminal intent

This opens up a whole new set of felonies beyond those that require mere negligence for prosecution. Drip, drip.

[John Poet]

43. That's not a "drip, drip" anymore.

She's starting to take on water.

[unc70]

50. Plus the edit before printing some emails

Taking some of the emails into Word and editing them before printing them for FOIA should be good for a couple of other charges.

[Fairgo]

40. At least she's consistent

She is authentically inauthentic

[HereSince1628]

41. It's amazing how HRC's media surrogates are no better at defending this than DUers

Congratulations DUers.

[Uncle Joe]

42. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, AzDar.

[casperthegm]

45. Does it really matter?

I've come to believe that no matter how many shady things the media reports on, no matter how many poor decisions she's made, and no matter the lack of transparency...none of it matters to her supporters. It's all RW conspiracy or sore loser comments, right HRC supporters? It blows my mind. It really does.

[Darb]

57. You're right. She's a spy.

All that effort and sacrifice to be Secretary of State was just a front for selling secrets to the Chinese and the Russians.

[casperthegm]

60. And along comes a sheep

proving my point. Baaahhh!

[amborin]

48. HRC knew her system could be hacked & Lied about Work-Related Emails:

The three messages include Clinton's own explanation of why she wanted her emails kept private: In a November 2010 email, Clinton worried that her personal messages could become accessible to outsiders. The messages appear to have been found among electronic files of four former top Clinton State Department aides.

Two other messages a year later divulged possible security weaknesses in the home email system she used while secretary of state. The Clinton campaign has previously denied that her home server was compromised

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_MYSTERY_EMAILS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-26-14-58-26

[Cheese Sandwich]

62. shake my head/sigh/facepalm nt