2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie vs Trump: THE SUPER DELEGATES ARE WATCHING!!
This is why Hillary's supporters are so apoplectic. They fear Bernie will dominate and they know THE SUPER DELEGATES ARE WATCHING!!
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Oh, that and the fact that the IG report showed Hillary violated the law and lied about it.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)A California debate was agreed upon months ago!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)They never really had to think about it much.
Crunch time now and Hill is being crunched.
The super delegates are now beginning to think and the news is not good for Hillary and Bernie has never been stronger.
JudyM
(29,204 posts)such a troubled candidate.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... to think about it, and switch their allegiance to Bernie after having second thoughts. Exactly how many SDs have done that so far?
Hill is being "crunched"? Well, if you call being hundreds of delegates and millions of votes ahead of Bernie, then yeah, I guess she's being crunched.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)oasis
(49,333 posts)Moderator: "Senator Sanders, since you have been feverishly waving your arms in the air throughout the debate, you may answer first."
LenaBaby61
(6,973 posts)Not flipping.
If anything, Hillary Clinton's gained Supers this week.
'Tis what it 'Tis
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)think
(11,641 posts)He ain't a problem anymore.....
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)We're all terrified that the super-delegates - the ones that have heard Bernie demean the party, label their fellow Dems as "corrupt media whores", and decry positions like theirs as being the domain of those who are bought-and-paid-for - are going to watch Bernie regurgitate his 30+ years-old talking points for the zillionth time and declare him the nominee!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S what we're all worried ab -
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Bizarre belief that THIS is the thing that will move all those superdelegates to the Bernie column.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)ALL of the "the SDs will move over to Bernie because ____ posts" have been beyond insane.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That Sanders will win the debate handily.
Judging by their reactions the last 24 hours...
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)It wouldn't matter if Bernie "won" a debate with Jesus Christ at this point. The numbers are in - Bernie lost.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Op after agonized op from Hillary supporters anguishing over it. What are they so afraid of?
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... where Hillary's supporters are "tearing their hair out" over anything.
What I HAVE seen is a lot of posts claiming that they are.
Do you have anything to say about how or why the SDs would flock to Mr. Also Ran's side after watching another debate? I'm sure there's a GREAT story behind that belief - and I'd sure like to hear it.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)Now we've got two reality TV stars giving Americans a show.
If it bothers me at all, it's because it's a distraction that could take time away for Hillary to shore up her defenses against Trump and that concerns me. And clearly a huge portion of this site shamefully doesn't care if Trump or Hillary win if Bernie doesn't so yeah, that's a concern too, but do I think the supers are going to switch? hah! After the way fanatical Bernie fans have treated them? They were so rude to Senator Boxer, she ended up losing it and giving them the finger. Probably not her best move but it should give everyone some sense of the anger bubbling beneath the surface of some of these superdelegates. They aren't going to switch.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)Every time I see these proclamations of how the superdelegates are going to switch, I just cackle. I don't think the Sanders supporters truly understand the gravity of their behavior and how scorched earth and abusive it's been towards so many leaders in the Democratic party. Whatever truths might exist within their message is deeply hidden under the absolute havoc they've been wreaking.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)if they went through what she went through. The harassment threats against he family, including her FIVE-YEAR OLD grandson. Completely unacceptable, and a perfec reason to switch sides
barrow-wight
(744 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)You're just making shit up.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)And he did not distance himself from their remarks.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... I haven't seen Bernie's denouncement of Song's remarks.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)I "missed it" because when I got to the first comment from an on-liner, I assumed that was the end of the piece.
Well, bravo for Bernie weighing-in on that comment. When do you think he'll weigh-in on the comments his supporters have made on the FB pages/websites of people like John Lewis, Gabby Giffords, Al Franken, Howard Dean, Sybrina Fulton, etc.?
barrow-wight
(744 posts)With a man like Trump in the race, I got 99 problems with this election season. The superdelegates switching, however, is not one of them.
bvf
(6,604 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)It wasn't "corporate media whores", it was just plain ol' corporate whores.
My apologies.
bvf
(6,604 posts)This would be a great opportunity to see exactly why, before the convention threatens to land us all in the proverbial handbasket.
If Trump hasn't finally backed off of this by now, he will, soon enough.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He hasn't faced serious issues yet.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Bernie is being a tool here
bvf
(6,604 posts)the day it started trying to force Clinton down everyone's throats. She lost in 2008 and deserved to.
Blaming Sanders for Clinton's many and serious flaws has become quite a sport lately. Awfully obvious, and about as smart as backing Clinton to begin with.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Bernie isn't it. Shame other people backed away and didn't run but it is what it is.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)This debate would be a huge trainwreck worth a big tub of popcorn.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)who have voted for Hillary in the primary season -- three million more than for Hillary, much more diverse as well.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)I would hardly call my sneering and jeering anything remotely close to apoplectic. Trust me, if I were apoplectic, message board sites three doors down would know.
I think it's ridiculous because he isn't going to be the nominee and it's just one more way for Trump to cheapen the whole process to the level of a reality tv freak show and Bernie seems perfectly content with making it happen. Even Trump made it clear, without question, that Bernie is going to lose so he'd only do it for a ten million dollar charity. It takes attention off of the presumptive candidate who needs this time to build her cache against Trump as a candidate. Even if Bernie does spectacularly, it means nothing because he'll still lose the primary, but then he'll go off after giving Trump what will almost certainly amount to a win after painting Bernie as one click on the dial from a Communist. It's disgusting that Bernie would scorch the earth this bad. He's the most bitter and vindictive candidate I've ever seen in my lifetime. That said, nothing he could do short of getting elected would actually make me apoplectic. LOL
The Superdelegates are going to see this for exactly what it is, more sideshow grandstanding and the very reality show style spectacle they don't want to see our party devolve into, which I'm sure they'e afraid of after the way so many Bernie supporters have treated them this primary seasonsomething akin to a reunion episode of those Housewives shows.
undergroundpanther
(11,925 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)It's a double whammy
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)You really think party insiders will jump to the guy who has not done anything for the party after he loses the popular vote and pledged delegate race over his publicity stunt du jour
Tarc
(10,472 posts)The ones that, at every Democratic convention, have voted for the winner of the most pledged delegates, thus certifying/assuring the will of the voters?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Is it true that there's a sucker born every minute?
Please show your math.
onenote
(42,600 posts)If, as you say, Trump gets clobbered, the super delegates who support Clinton will feel more comfortable that Trump is a doomed candidate and will feel better about their support for Clinton.
And in the unlikely event Sanders stumbles...well, that also will make the super delegates who support Clinton more comfortable with their support for Clinton.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Bernie will crush Trump if the debate happens.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)to Trump. After June 6 both of them will be on Trumps back until November.