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BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:38 AM May 2016

Which two presidential candidates share a secrecy problem? Hint: Neither is named Clinton.

TWITTER EXPLODED Thursday with talk of a possible Donald Trump-Bernie Sanders debate before California’s June 7 primary. On at least one level, we think it would be appropriate for them to share a stage, since they also share an unacceptable lack of transparency.

Mr. Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns has been much discussed. Despite repeated promises to show his returns to voters, as every candidate of the modern era has done, he has found excuse after excuse to delay or deny the need to do so. The returns are under audit, he says — which does not prevent him from releasing what he submitted and swore was true. Tax returns do not show very much, he says — which makes us wonder why he is spending so much time and rhetorical effort keeping them hidden. Theories abound: He pays little or no tax; he does not have the income one would expect for someone who claims to be so successful; he gives little or nothing to charity.

Mr. Sanders’s stinginess with information has received less attention, but not because he has been much more forthcoming. The senator from Vermont has released a single year’s tax return — for 2014 — and only then after pressure from reporters. Before releasing his full 2014 return, he argued that his tax information is not particularly interesting. As with Mr. Trump, this has given rise to speculation about possible reasons for the delay and limited openness. Is Mr. Sanders, for example, attempting to avoid more scrutiny of his wife’s severance package from Burlington College? The liberal-arts school she headed subsequently was forced to close due to mismanagement and a dire lack of money.

Hillary Clinton long ago released eight years of tax returns. Jeb Bush released tax returns going back to 1981. Even Mitt Romney, who was reluctant to release his returns, eventually offered two years of tax information in 2012. Meanwhile, Mr. Sanders promised in April, “We will get out as much information as we can.” Clearly, he is not meeting his own standard. . . .

Both Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump are eroding an important norm in American political life — the expectation that voters should have a sense of presidential candidates’ financial conduct before they choose who should lead the country. As long as Mr. Sanders is a legitimate candidate, he does not deserve a pass./div]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/which-two-presidential-candidates-share-a-secrecy-problem-hint-neither-is-named-clinton/2016/05/26/abce571c-2384-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
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Which two presidential candidates share a secrecy problem? Hint: Neither is named Clinton. (Original Post) BainsBane May 2016 OP
In a purely abstract manner, I agree that their taxes are no one's business. randome May 2016 #1
I disagree BainsBane May 2016 #3
Let the debate begin. I can't wait for the moderator's first question. oasis May 2016 #2
It would certainly be entertaining BainsBane May 2016 #4
I'm guessing Bernie won't be anxiously waving his arms to be oasis May 2016 #7
speaking of arms BainsBane May 2016 #9
Good one. oasis May 2016 #10
When is Hillary going to release the Wall Street transcripts? Dawgs May 2016 #5
Actually she didn't BainsBane May 2016 #6
First, she promised to release them if all of the other candidates released theirs. Dawgs May 2016 #8
From what I have read, Trump has a lot of paid speechs. riversedge May 2016 #15
Actually SHE did! Silver_Witch May 2016 #26
Transcripts? Server to avoid scrutiny? NWCorona May 2016 #11
and worst of all BainsBane May 2016 #12
Hillary can't even follow federal public records laws. morningfog May 2016 #13
LOL. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #14
any word on where the mystery $10 million dollars came from? BainsBane May 2016 #16
I don't entertain legal questions from Hillary supporters. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #17
Yeah, I suppose if I had the number of violations of campaign finance law that Bernie did BainsBane May 2016 #18
LOL. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #19
And not a single person from Hillary's campaign talks about it!!! Because it's bogus. imagine2015 May 2016 #21
It's not bogus BainsBane May 2016 #25
So will Hillary release the secret transcripts of her speeches to her rich Wall Street benefactors? imagine2015 May 2016 #20
This is my feeling as well. I want to know what a President will do, details BootinUp May 2016 #22
I don't care where it's coming from, the stupid, it burns. cali May 2016 #23
Isn't the main point that in not releasing returns, he gives cover to future BootinUp May 2016 #28
K&R mcar May 2016 #24
What is the sense of keeping secrets when you can just make stuff up? nt jmg257 May 2016 #27
Utter desperation. libtodeath May 2016 #29
Massive K & R. So spot on. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #30
transparency!! ha ha ha oldandhappy May 2016 #31
That would be a good question for the televised FOX debacle between the two. fleabiscuit May 2016 #32
Yes indeedy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #33
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. In a purely abstract manner, I agree that their taxes are no one's business.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

But it's not exactly good form to not be as forthcoming as the public has come to expect.
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BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
3. I disagree
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:43 AM
May 2016

It has long been a standard for candidates to release several years of full returns. Sanders has helped shield Trump from responsibility for doing so, and I find that unfortunate.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
6. Actually she didn't
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

She promised to look into it, and she did. Her pollster learned no one gave a shit.
You're not even embarrassed about the blatant double-standard, are you? Bernie did promise to release multiple years of taxes and has released even less than Trump. Yet despite that you go on about "Wall Street transcripts" when Bernie has failed to live up to the most common standards and helped shield Trump from releasing his as well.

Is the new Bernie campaign slogan "all people are created unequal"? Must go along with the argument that he should be president because his 10 million voters are just more important than Clinton's 13 million.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
8. First, she promised to release them if all of the other candidates released theirs.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

Since Bernie and Trump never made paid speeches it's time for her to release them.

Second, I could care less about some politicians tax returns. I always thought it was a stupid thing for anyone to be concerned about. It doesn't matter if they were on the right or the left.

Third, Hillary is about to win the nomination. It doesn't matter what Bernie did or will do.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
16. any word on where the mystery $10 million dollars came from?
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

Or is the required financial disclosure of campaign finance law just not the kind of secrecy that matters?

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
18. Yeah, I suppose if I had the number of violations of campaign finance law that Bernie did
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

I wouldn't want to talk about it either.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
19. LOL.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

Um... yeah.

So, you're hot on this because in Bernie's case you think laws were broken, but defending Hillary because she only broke rules?

If Bernie Sanders broke laws, I'd happily see him, or his campaign staff, prosecuted. Can you say the same about Hillary Clinton? Right here and now?

BootinUp

(47,143 posts)
22. This is my feeling as well. I want to know what a President will do, details
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

please. I want to know about their past, whether there are any landmines.

Hillary is vetted to such a higher degree than Bernie , there is really no comparison. I have all the details I expect for a Prez candidate. She protected her communications as SoS according to her understanding of precedent, and when the pukes went on the attack she was able to produce the emails and nothing damaging was found.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. I don't care where it's coming from, the stupid, it burns.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:58 AM
May 2016

And I'm referring to the posted article not the posts and the article is disgustingly dishonest.

BootinUp

(47,143 posts)
28. Isn't the main point that in not releasing returns, he gives cover to future
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

or present cnadidates?

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
32. That would be a good question for the televised FOX debacle between the two.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

'Do either of you ever plan on releasing your tax returns as other candidates have done?'

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