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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:48 PM May 2016

New York Times: Die-Hard Bernie Sanders Backers See F.B.I. as Answer to Their Prayers

Bernie and his supporters want the FBI to help them overturn the will of the people and hand the nomination to Bernie Sanders.

From the New York Times:

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ANAHEIM, Calif. — Senator Bernie Sanders may be trailing Hillary Clinton by hundreds of delegates, and Mrs. Clinton may be treating the Democratic nomination as hers, but Julie Crowell, a stay-at-home mother and a die-hard Sanders supporter, is holding out for an 11th-hour miracle: divine deliverance at the hands of the F.B.I.

Like many of Mr. Sanders’s supporters, Ms. Crowell, 37, said she hoped that Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email server during her time as secretary of state would eventually yield an indictment, and she described it as the kind of transgression that would disqualify another politician seeking high office.

“She should be removed,” said Ms. Crowell, of Tustin, Calif., who attended a Sanders rally here on Tuesday and said she planned to vote for a third-party candidate if Mr. Sanders failed to overtake Mrs. Clinton and capture the Democratic nomination. “I don’t know why she’s not already being told, ‘You can’t run because you’re being investigated.’ I don’t know how that’s not a thing.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-fbi.html?_r=0

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New York Times: Die-Hard Bernie Sanders Backers See F.B.I. as Answer to Their Prayers (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2016 OP
Desperation has taken hold. Hope is gone. tonyt53 May 2016 #1
Yep, they are intent on getting their guy nominated. Beacool May 2016 #5
Lol. The FBI is not conducting its criminal investigation to help Bernie. morningfog May 2016 #2
She didn't break the law. TeacherB87 May 2016 #27
She violated the law. Not a criminal law but a law nonetheless. morningfog May 2016 #36
Right, so not in any meaningful way TeacherB87 May 2016 #41
Every point you made is factually inaccurate. morningfog May 2016 #42
You only got to read GDP........... Beacool May 2016 #3
Laughable nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #4
NSA at Comicon laughable or rougue wind turbines cause cancer laughable? CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #19
In another 18 days, those people won't be at DU anymore nt geek tragedy May 2016 #6
Can't come soon enough CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #22
Addition by subtraction--getting rid of those rooting for Trump as well as the jury system geek tragedy May 2016 #24
No matter how much they spin, this national security scandal will not go away. She B Calm May 2016 #7
Those Sanders supporters are disgusting, plain and simple. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #8
And have NO bearing on Hillary's liability. morningfog May 2016 #17
Praying to The Establishment for The Revolution. betsuni May 2016 #9
Hypocrites workinclasszero May 2016 #14
Noone wants the will of the people to be overturned. HughLefty1 May 2016 #10
Me IRL Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #11
Bernie is such a weak candidate workinclasszero May 2016 #12
Biden and the WH have known this was coming GreatGazoo May 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #15
18 days and counting nt geek tragedy May 2016 #32
The RW is praying for that also. riversedge May 2016 #16
The will of the people? They are virtually tied in pledged delegates. It's the party bosses who tip Zen Democrat May 2016 #18
1,770 Pledged Delegates = 1,500 Pledged Delegates...12,989,134 votes = 9,957,889 votes Cali_Democrat May 2016 #20
Don't forget to factor in Fewer than 12 Federal Agents. frylock May 2016 #23
Vote count results from counting all caucus states as zero. merrily May 2016 #26
oh, shucky darns. riversedge May 2016 #40
Virtually tied only in #Berniemath, not actual math nt geek tragedy May 2016 #25
Hahahahaha!! This is a BLOWOUT compared to '08. CrowCityDem May 2016 #33
Die-hard realists have been following this closely and fully understand the severity of the issue. frylock May 2016 #21
Just all the contradictions in her story since the email thing came to light are troubling. merrily May 2016 #28
A big money quote from the article KingFlorez May 2016 #29
Well, any normal person would not want to vote for a criminal noiretextatique May 2016 #30
Only 18 more days of posts like this geek tragedy May 2016 #31
On the other hand... Orrex May 2016 #37
SHAME on you. She is a Democratic candidate and has riversedge May 2016 #39
Not indicted noiretextatique Jun 2016 #43
I admire the writer of the article. Perhaps, you'd like to balance it out by reading another by her EndElectoral May 2016 #34
What the Sanders supporters fail to understand is... dcbuckeye May 2016 #35
I just dont want to hand the oval office to a repuke lunatic. libtodeath May 2016 #38

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
5. Yep, they are intent on getting their guy nominated.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

It doesn't matter if it's by hook or by crook.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. Lol. The FBI is not conducting its criminal investigation to help Bernie.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

What Bernie supporters want is irrelevant to the criminal investigation.

And Bernie supporters are not monolithic in thought. I, for one, hope Hillary is not indicted. But I also think much damages has already been done by her violations of law.

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
27. She didn't break the law.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

She broke with State Department protocol. She is not criminally or civilly liable for anything vis a vis the emails.

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
41. Right, so not in any meaningful way
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

that is substantially different from her predecessors. This story has almost no mileage.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
22. Can't come soon enough
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

I was relieved to read some of Skinner's most recent responses in the ask the admin pages regarding making this place safe for real Democrats who want to see Democrats win elections.

Sounds like there's going to be a bloodbath. Long overdue.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. Addition by subtraction--getting rid of those rooting for Trump as well as the jury system
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

will make this a much better place.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
7. No matter how much they spin, this national security scandal will not go away. She
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

is a flawed candidate that was pushed out by the DNC.

HughLefty1

(231 posts)
10. Noone wants the will of the people to be overturned.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016

It's actually quite the opposite.

With that said the Clintons shouldn't get any special favors either.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
12. Bernie is such a weak candidate
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

He has to pray for lighting to strike Hillary to get the nomination!

Trump would murder Bernie in the GE if he was the dem candidate!

Pray harder to the Indictment Fairy guys! More sacrifices are needed!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
13. Biden and the WH have known this was coming
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

And Biden has been ready to step in.

Do you won't to drive your bogus deflection bus over them too?

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
18. The will of the people? They are virtually tied in pledged delegates. It's the party bosses who tip
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

the scales for Hillary. It's rigged.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
21. Die-hard realists have been following this closely and fully understand the severity of the issue.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

Die-hard Hillary Supporter has been ignoring this for over a year hoping that would make it go away.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. Just all the contradictions in her story since the email thing came to light are troubling.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

Still, there are zero reasons for Bernie to drop out.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
29. A big money quote from the article
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016
“A dark side of me wants to see what happens if Trump is in,” said Mr. Vizcarra, who works in information technology. “There is going to be some kind of change, and even if it’s like a Nazi-type change. People are so drama-filled. They want to see stuff like that happen. It’s like reality TV. You don’t want to just see everybody be happy with each other. You want to see someone fighting somebody.”

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
37. On the other hand...
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

Normal people don't run to the courts after they fail to read the rules governing their state's primary, but here we are.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
34. I admire the writer of the article. Perhaps, you'd like to balance it out by reading another by her
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html

In widely read blogs, in protests in Port-au-Prince [Haiti] and outside Mrs. Clinton’s campaign headquarters in Brooklyn, and on popular call-in radio shows in Florida, where primaries will be held on Tuesday, the Clintons have become prime targets of blame for the country’s woes.

Among the litany of complaints being laid at their feet: Fewer than half the jobs promised at the industrial park, built after 366 farmers were evicted from their lands, have materialized. Many millions of dollars earmarked for relief efforts have yet to be spent. Mrs. Clinton’s brother Tony Rodham has turned up in business ventures on the island, setting off speculation about insider deals.

“A vote for Hillary Clinton means further corruption, further death and destruction for our people,” said Dahoud Andre, a radio show host in New York who has helped organize protests against the Clintons. “It means more Haitians leaving Haiti and not being able to live in our country.”

And now, Michel Martelly, a president whom Mrs. Clinton helped get elected, has turned out to be another in a long line of troubling leaders.

Tony Jeanthenor, 55, a member of the Miami-based Haitian human rights group Veye-Yo as well as Lavalas Family, a Haitian political party, said he was voting for Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont because of the senator’s distaste for involvement in other countries’ affairs.

“Nothing good for Haiti can come out of Hillary because of her past behavior,” Mr. Jeanthenor said.

...

But to many Haitians, the most significant moment of Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state was in 2011, when she flew to Haiti to pressure President René Préval to admit Mr. Martelly, a popular recording artist, into a two-person runoff for president. Mr. Martelly was third in initial voting, but the Organization of American States believed that the man who was second, Mr. Préval’s pick, had benefited from vote fraud.

The night of the runoff, which Mr. Martelly won, Mrs. Clinton’s chief of staff, Cheryl D. Mills, wrote a congratulatory note to top American diplomats in Haiti.

“You do great elections,” Ms. Mills wrote in a message released by the State Department among a batch of Mrs. Clinton’s emails. She wrote that she would buy dinner the next time she visited: “We can discuss how the counting is going! Just kidding. Kinda.

Ms. Mills’s email may have been intended as tongue in cheek, but it has fed a suspicion among Haitians, if lacking in proof, that the United States rigged the election to install a puppet president.

dcbuckeye

(79 posts)
35. What the Sanders supporters fail to understand is...
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

Even if Hillary gets indicted and drops out, there is no way in heck the DNC is going to let Sanders get the nomination. No way, NEVER. They will not risk having the Socialist lose in the GE, which is exactly what will happen (despite all of the meaningless early polls that say otherwise). The GOP will destroy Sanders. The DNC will rig the rules to have Biden or Warren swoop in and take over HRC's delegates. For Sanders supporters to keep hoping for the FBI to save them is just more false hope.

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