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Which clinton campaign is more of a train wreck 08 or 16? (Original Post) SwampG8r May 2016 OP
Well, Clinton is WINNING in 2016... brooklynite May 2016 #1
If she wins the primary, Democrats lose the presidency and she has zero coattails, so she squanders w4rma May 2016 #6
In 2016, she's about to win the Dem nomination... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #2
Counting chickens before they hatch SwampG8r May 2016 #4
Notice... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #3
What does that say for Sanders? nt onehandle May 2016 #18
I'm a Sanders supporter, and I find your OP tasteless. RiverNoord May 2016 #5
2008, severely underestimated the caucuses. joshcryer May 2016 #7
Except for all her lies, yes. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #11
The only wreck was caused by running over Bernie's campaign. CrowCityDem May 2016 #9
In 2008 she lost jamese777 May 2016 #10
Nice... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #13
Hillary: 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie: 1487 pledged delegates senz May 2016 #22
Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries annavictorious May 2016 #30
16 the year the DNC handed the presidency to Trump by pushing their un-vetted corporate candidate. B Calm May 2016 #12
Refund jamese777 May 2016 #16
Funny how there's outliers in polling ThirdWayToTheHighway May 2016 #28
Correction: ThirdWayToTheHighway May 2016 #26
...both... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #14
Neither mythology May 2016 #15
shes looking at a tiebreaker. Skink May 2016 #17
16 is more painful to watch at this point... n/t Mohammed_Lee May 2016 #19
08 because it doesn't get much tackier/craven than when she implied Obama might end up like RFK. nt m-lekktor May 2016 #20
That Hillary quote was sick beyond any measure. That alone should had disqualified her from ever B Calm May 2016 #24
2016 karynnj May 2016 #21
Clinton has a longer history of failure in 2016. senz May 2016 #23
both of them equally. she should have had this mess figure out by now okieinpain May 2016 #25
Actually, she's been running since she left the White House. Few are as calculated as Hill. At floriduck May 2016 #27
These passive aggressive OPs are getting annoying. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #29
She lost in '08, but at least not subject of FBI criminal investigation. HooptieWagon May 2016 #31
Impeached? jamese777 May 2016 #32
That's for removal from office on impeachment charges. HooptieWagon May 2016 #33
Yes I Know jamese777 May 2016 #34
First of all, it neuters the president. HooptieWagon May 2016 #35
Bill Clinton jamese777 May 2016 #36
41 to 1 jamese777 May 2016 #39
16 - the investigation this time is worse plus social media is much more pronounced now. Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #37
Which of your spouses did you beat more severely? Garrett78 May 2016 #38
16. bigwillq May 2016 #40
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
6. If she wins the primary, Democrats lose the presidency and she has zero coattails, so she squanders
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

an epic opportunity to retake Congress and many state legislatures. But, neoliberals are more afraid of progressives than neoconservatives, so they are perfectly fine with this. They only care about the billionaire bribe money.

LenaBaby61

(6,940 posts)
2. In 2016, she's about to win the Dem nomination...
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

For the presidency, unlike when she lost out in the primaries to then Senator Barack Obama in 2008.

LenaBaby61

(6,940 posts)
8. Notice...
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

I used the word about.

Secondly, it IS about to be over for the 2nd place finisher in the Dem primary.

Using the word about again.

About:

"used to indicate movement within a particular area."

Hillary Clinton is moving towards the Democratic nomination for president.

Response to SwampG8r (Original post)

joshcryer

(62,259 posts)
7. 2008, severely underestimated the caucuses.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

Her low key campaign this time around has been relatively benign.

jamese777

(546 posts)
10. In 2008 she lost
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

In 2016 she's doing much better:
Primaries' total popular vote as of May 27th
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%)
Donald Trump: 11,266,041

Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824
Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672
Trump over Sanders: 1,057,152

Hillary Clinton: 1,775 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,499 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 42 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,297 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,541 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 26 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 89 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 842 delegates

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. Hillary: 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie: 1487 pledged delegates
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

Bernie has 284 fewer pledged delegates than Hill.

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046916

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
30. Neither candidate will be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining primaries
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

Neither Democratic candidate had enough pledged delegates going into the convention in 2008.

It will be over for Sanders after the first roll call vote.

I know there are entitlement issues with Sanders and his supporters, but he's not going to be handed a nomination he didn't win.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
12. 16 the year the DNC handed the presidency to Trump by pushing their un-vetted corporate candidate.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:31 PM
May 2016

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jamese777

(546 posts)
16. Refund
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

I'd take that crystal ball back to Walmart if I were you. No one can predict the future.

On October 22, 2012, the Gallup Poll said Romney over Obama 53-46, just weeks before the election.

Obama beat Romney by five million votes.

 
28. Funny how there's outliers in polling
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

Care to take a look at the aggregate? Further, why would you choose someone that is tied for losing in the aggregate this far out and who never trends upward against someone who's way ahead? Seriously the Hillary shilling is impossibly illogical.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
14. ...both...
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

Here's why...

'08 she and her campaign couldn't overcome a 'grassroots' nominee, she thought she learned her lesson and prepared for it in '16
So far she's barely beating Bernie, so her ability to overcome is lacking to a larger degree... bad leadership shown

Now in '16, she's losing against national polling against TRUMP... TRUMP...
If she's so feckless and l;acking against him now, it's only going to get worse as they toss everything and the kitchen sink at the public

Trump 'wins' with PR, and using media against his rivals... he's much better than Clinton at that, she's lost that very large gap she had earlier against him....

So imo it's both, bu the trend is showing '16 will be a larger train wreck

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. Neither
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

In 2008 she ran up against an exceptional candidate who had an exceptional strategy. It's hard to blame somebody for losing to Obama, especially with as close as the delegate count was.

In 2016 she had learned from her 2008 campaign and is beating Sanders by a much wider margin than Obama won with in 2008.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
24. That Hillary quote was sick beyond any measure. That alone should had disqualified her from ever
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

running again.

karynnj

(59,404 posts)
21. 2016
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

Obama was a far stronger opponent and he had substantial support from one side of the Democratic party - including Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, and Durbin. Sanders had no one for a long time - and now has just Senator Merkley and a few people in the House.

Not to mention, Obama had more name recognition -- and all of it was good - from his 2004 speech.

In addition, Obama had many of Daschle's and then Kerry's operatives. Sanders had Weaver, who owned a comic book store and a relatively middle level Tad Devine.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
23. Clinton has a longer history of failure in 2016.
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

Obama reminded us of her support for the Iraq War.

But now she has her abysmal record as SOS: the disastrous mistakes in Libya, Syria, and Honduras, along with her lawless disregard for national security and her lucrative "deals" with weapons manufacturers and third world countries.

She is more clearly incompetent and corrupt now than she was in 2008.

okieinpain

(9,396 posts)
25. both of them equally. she should have had this mess figure out by now
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

instead we have to live with the bern.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
27. Actually, she's been running since she left the White House. Few are as calculated as Hill. At
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

least she doesn't hide it.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
31. She lost in '08, but at least not subject of FBI criminal investigation.
Fri May 27, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Even if she manages to avoid indictment and get elected this Nov, there is a 100% certainty of her being impeached...brought upon by herself. So '16 would have to be the bigger self-inflicted trainwreck.

jamese777

(546 posts)
32. Impeached?
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

If the Senate stays the same as it is now, 54 Republicans and 46 Democrats, it would take every Republican plus 13 Democrats to remove a president from office via impeachment. Its not gonna happen. Its nearly impossible to get 67 votes on anything in the Senate.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
33. That's for removal from office on impeachment charges.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

Impeachment is the filing of the charges. It only takes a simple majority of the House.
IOW, Bill Clinton was impeached by the House. The Senate didn't have the votes to remove him.

jamese777

(546 posts)
34. Yes I Know
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

Nobody who's left of center cares if the Republican majority in the House votes out a Bill of Impeachment against a Democratic President that can die in the Senate.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
35. First of all, it neuters the president.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

Bill Clinton got nothing done after his impeachment, even though it didn't result in his removal from office. He was so toxic Gore kept him out of his campaign.
Also, just because Republicans don't hold 67 Senate seats is no guarantee. A strong enough case could be made to persuade a few Dems to join in, especially if POTUS is abusing power and VP is relatively popular. This is what forced Nixons resignation...he was told several Republicans were going to vote with Democrats, Ford was an acceptable successor. So Nixon admitted defeat and resigned.

jamese777

(546 posts)
36. Bill Clinton
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:00 AM
May 2016

got his highest job approval rating the same week that the House passed the Bill of Impeachment and he finished his second term with the highest job approval rating of any president except for John F. Kennedy.

"PRINCETON, NJ -- President William Jefferson Clinton will leave office next week with the highest average job approval rating any president of the past half century has received over his last three months in office, but with low public ratings of his personal character, and with Americans expressing mixed feelings about his record of accomplishments and what he should do in the future."-- Gallup News Service
http://www.gallup.com/poll/2125/clinton-leaves-office-mixed-public-reaction.aspx

Clinton Receives Record High Job Approval Rating After Impeachment Vote And Iraq Air Strikes

Despite the fact that he is only the second President in U.S. history to be impeached by the House of Representatives, President Bill Clinton received a 73% job approval rating from the American public this past weekend, the highest rating of his administration, and one of the higher job approval ratings given any president since the mid-1960s.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/4111/clinton-receives-record-high-job-approval-rating-after-impeachment-vot.aspx

jamese777

(546 posts)
39. 41 to 1
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

41 Democratic Senators have endorsed Hillary Clinton; 1 Senator, Jeff Merkley of Oregon has endorsed fellow senator Sanders. 3 Senators haven't endorsed anyone. All of those Senators are also superdelegates.
It is unlikely that Democrats would vote to impeach the person that they endorsed and voted for to be the party's nominee.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
37. 16 - the investigation this time is worse plus social media is much more pronounced now.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:06 AM
May 2016

However, she said some nasty ass shit in '08 like the Bobby Kennedy remark.

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