Kos: A Sanders Superdelegate Coup Doesn't Need to Be Motivated By Racism to Be White Privilege

[bravenak]

Bernie Sanders, knowing he has no chance to win on the strength of democracy and votes, is now arguing that superdelegates should reward his loss by undemocratically handing him the nomination. He didn’t earn the victory at the polls, thus he should be coronated by fiat. He wants the establishment he attacks to grant him victory anyway.

If this were to happen, our party’s voters of color and the woman they back would be nullified in favor of the white male candidate predominantly supported by white men. This doesn’t mean that those pushing for this outcome, or Bernie Sanders himself, are racist. But it does betray a breathtaking amount of white privilege—a willful refusal to see that the policies they are advocating, for the benefit of themselves, would once again disenfranchise communities of color. They’d get the outcome they wanted, so what’s wrong with that?

To be clear, if you are advocating for Bernie’s superdelegate coup, you are not racist. You certainly have an autocratic lack of respect for the will of the voters, but that doesn’t make you racist. But the outcome of that superdelegate coup would absolutely be racist, And sexist.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/27/1531691/-A-Sanders-superdelegate-coup-doesn-t-need-to-be-motivated-by-racism-to-be-white-privilege

[bravenak]

8. Glad that Bernie has railed agains those same supers he NEEDS to give him victory

It obviously is not doing much to sway them to his side. He lost already.

[floriduck]

2. Remember the Please don't do it you sent me? I request the same.

[bravenak]

7. That was your own writing

This is from the owner of Kos. It is similar to a piece I wrote and I posted it to back up my own piece, showing that this phenomenon is being noticed. Hopefully it will help people understand why they are recieving negative feedback from women and minorities.

[floriduck]

9. Okay. I didn't alert, just for the record.

[bravenak]

10. I believe you

The message is not your style

[MonkeyChamp]

3. Kos - Idiot conflating HRC Booster

I've had it with this guy's bad posts in support of HRC and bashing Sanders. Yes, Sanders vying for super-delegates is kinda lame. But Sexist? Being evidence of "white privilege"? Bad logic arguments like that give Liberals, Progressives, and Dems a bad name. Kos is a f@cking Idiot.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

38. It would NOT be a good look.......

"Old white guy tries to snatch election away from first serious female contender for president with the help of a bunch of other old white men."

Not pretty.

[ebayfool]

47. Be a little more honest in the descriptives, please...

"Old white guy tries to win election away from old white female contender for president with the help of a bunch of other men, women and lobbyists."


I do not agree with the premise, btw. I'm just a bit peeved with the constant age-baiting that never seems to include the other candidate that is in the same age bracket.

Clinton is also reliant on that same bunch of other men, women and lobbyists to cinch the nomination. She can't make it without them either. Is Sanders supposed to just roll over and not fight for every vote, just as she is doing? Just as Prez Obama did. Do her supporters really expect to get the nom without a fight? Until the convention votes, everything Kos wrote is pure premature spin. Other women, men, POC, etc have yet to vote. Let them, and then y'all can crank up the wurlitzer!

Kos is just standing by his early choice. That makes him no 'righter' than any other voter. Some who have not voted yet.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. I'm just stating how it will look to many. I know Bernie is not just an "old white man."

But think of the visuals. And no, I don't believe there will be many female super delegates who will vote against Clinton. Also, there aren't too many female super delegates to begin with.... Just old white men. Old white men run this country and not just in congress.

[The Polack MSgt]

4. Jury Results - For transparency

On Fri May 27, 2016, 05:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Kos: A Sanders Superdelegate Coup Doesn't Need to Be Motivated By Racism to Be White Privilege
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512070419

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive flame bait, enough of this trying to divide the party by race and gender, DUers need to remember the enemy is the very racist and sexist Trump and his like minded supporters, trying to paint other liberals as equally bigoted is not helping us come together.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 27, 2016, 05:34 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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[bravenak]

5. Thank you.

What a ridiculous alert!

[forjusticethunders]

18. Ridiculous would imply there's no logic to it

In reality, Berners can't deal with opinions that make them uncomfortable so they resort to censorship.

[bravenak]

19. Either that or they attack the poster of the op since they cannot refute it

[dubyadiprecession]

29. It's a desperate situation for them...

their candidate will eventually end his campaign and they will have to deal with it.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. No kidding.....

[George II]

22. A CLINTON supporter trying to divide the party. Now that's an imaginative idea.

[wildeyed]

36. Unbelievably bad alert.

An excerpt of a Kos post, actually BY Markos Mousalitas and nothing else.

[yardwork]

64. An article by the owner of Daily Kos was alerted on? WTF?

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Excellent article. nt

[Beartracks]

11. Seems pretzel logic-y to me.

Or it's like when all you have is a hammer, all problems have to be seen as nails.

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[Todays_Illusion]

12. I didn't see any logic when I read it a kos and still don't, it seems deliberately divisive.

[sheshe2]

13. Thanks bravenak.

Great article.

[bravenak]

14. I'm glad to see people are seeing what we been seeing for a year

[sheshe2]

15. Gotta say, I love this picture.

Your votes count, bravenak.

?

attribution: AFP/Getty ImagesA woman votes in Missouri, which Hillary Clinton literally won on the strength of her vote among black women. Why would anyone want to invalidate the votes of her community?

From your link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/27/1531691/-A-Sanders-superdelegate-coup-doesn-t-need-to-be-motivated-by-racism-to-be-white-privilege

[bravenak]

17. I love it too

Thats how I feel when i vote

[SheenaR]

32. Her vote was counted and validated by her pledged delegates

Nothing, literally nothing could invalidate her vote.

Supers are voters. They can vote their conscience. This woman voted for who she wanted and it went towards her pledged delegates. Democracy accomplished.

[ebayfool]

48. ^^^ That! Right there! ^^^ n/t

[AgingAmerican]

16. Idiotic racialist nonsense

[Haveadream]

20. Thank you for this article bravenak

There are many so-called "noble" motives being used to justify overturning millions upon millions of votes. No matter the "reasons", they cannot exempt it from being discriminatory towards people who have been historically disenfranchised and are vastly underrepresented. Fortunately, it looks like no matter how much a particular candidate is trying to argue for that result, it isn't going to happen. And for that, I am extremely grateful.

[bravenak]

21. I'm grateful too

They very idea of overturning our votes is anti democratic in the extreme. I want this thing over yesterday.

[George II]

24. That was the Sanders thought going back months ago.....

....up until the time they realized it's the only way they can win.

[bravenak]

25. Such a flip flopper

[brer cat]

34. + a million, bravenak!

K&R

[alittlelark]

30. Interesting number$ you have....

Number of posts: 881
Number of posts, last 90 days: 881
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 233 posts in the last 90 days (26% of total posts)
Favorite group: Hillary Clinton, 631 posts in the last 90 days (72% of total posts)

Busy,busy,busy.....

[Haveadream]

40. LOL, I wish!

I guess there is a first for everything. But I'll take it as a compliment.

[Eric J in MN]

23. You might as well worry about

...what you'll spend the money on after you win the lottery.

There is more chance of that than the Super Delegates making Sanders the nominee if he had fewer Pledged Delegates.

[bravenak]

26. Clearly

[guillaumeb]

27. Recommended. I am still a Sanders supporter, and still believe

he is the best candidate, but any attempt to circumvent the voters wishes would be undemocratic. However, if HRC does not receive enough votes in the first round, the super delegates are of course free to support whomever they wish.

[bravenak]

28. That's a big if and I agree

[SheenaR]

33. The supers are free to support whoever they wish to begin with

They were chosen to make decisions on our behalf. They are not beholden to anyone or any result. So we disagree there.

[guillaumeb]

80. Superdelegates in effect "choose themselves".

They are the essence of undemocratic process.

[SheenaR]

82. Oh absolutely

And from their ivory tower they can do as they would like without a thought to the voters. But that's lost on many here. The whole system is nuts.

[Cha]

31. BS wants to be "anointed".. oh the Irony. Thank you for this, brave, & Kos!

[Starry Messenger]

35. k&r

[Time for change]

37. Or maybe it just would mean that the Democratic Party

would not want to have a candidate running against Trump so weakened by scandal (of her own doing) that she would have little chance of winning the GE.

Guess you hadn't thought of that?

[bravenak]

51. Except you have no evidence that any supers are even thinking like that

[LiberalFighter]

41. If Sanders was running as an old white man in the 60's or earlier he would be a shoo in.

Because you needed to be white and male back then.

[wildeyed]

45. Nah, Estes Kefauver would have mopped the floor with him.

And he really WAS robbed of the nomination by party bosses.

[Number23]

42. Kos has been tearing it UP lately. He's been on point so many times about Sanders

K&R

[bravenak]

53. He damn sure has. He done got tired of the bullshit.

[wildeyed]

43. Many have difficultly with the idea that you don't have

be racist-on-purpose to do racist things. And I get that. It is an uncomfortable thing for white people to think about. But not as uncomfortable as being on the other end of the game and no excuse for not doing it.

"Oh officer, I didn't know the speed limit was 65, and I was late so I drove 90! But I didn't know I was wrong, so it's ok." And the answer is no, you broke the law and you are a speeder. And the speeder says "DON'T CALL ME A SPEEDER!!!! I'm not a speeder! I didn't MEAN to speed, I was late, and my time is VERY important! There are very good reasons that I was speeding, and it wasn't intentional, so I am NOT a speeder"

That is what they sound like to me when they want to overturn the will of mostly black and female voters and then won't own the implications.

[bravenak]

59. Like that 50s were better for everybody op?

That one blew my mind so bad I had to take a nap.

[wildeyed]

62. I couldn't decide if that one was serious or parody.

Blew my mind too. Clearly. I tried to read it, gave up and just went to bed.

[Gothmog]

44. Great post

[XemaSab]

46. Jesse Jackson won South Carolina, too

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/hillary-clint-7.html

[bravenak]

50. Move on. Or dont. But I aint living in the past with ya

[barrow-wight]

49. sad.

It's clear by now that the Bernie Behemoth has no problem subverting the will of the voters even if it also means disenfranchising women and people of color.

[bravenak]

52. Very unfortunate

I wish he'd knock it off

[ThePhilosopher04]

54. Dumbest shit I've ever read in my life. This god damn race-bating crap has to stop.

[bravenak]

55. Grow up. Talking about race aint race baiting

Cannot wait until skinner calls this shit

[bravenak]

57. Bullshit. This is lame, all this faux oppression because folks talk about stuff you don't want them

to discuss. Well, we gon discuss it to death, whether you like it or not.

[Scootaloo]

58. These articles always crack me up

First, it's always a smug, self-absorbed white person who really really wants to have a stern conversation at you about white privilege. Ever and always, this is simply a vehicle for the smug self-absorbed white person (in this case, Ks) to reaffirm their smug self-absorption.

Second, there's just the rich, decadent irony of a Hillary clinton supporter trying to claim Sanders is rolling along on white privilege. That's like, the truffle-infused fudge of irony there, it's so cloyingly overwhelming. A little self-awareness guys, I mean really.

Third - and the best part - is this tumblr activism doofusry. Make up a non-event. Then declare it problematic. Act smug for having discovered and defeated the "problem" of a scenario that does not exist.

And the cherry on top is that it's brought to us by Bravenak. Now there's a qualified personage to talk about race issues

Good job, all around. 10/10, would snicker mockingly again and recommend others do the same.

[ismnotwasm]

60. K&R

[Garrett78]

61. Responding to the OP by calling it "racialist" or "race baiting" only reinforces the OP.

Just as the Clinton-Dixie/Confederacy meme reinforced what the OP is saying.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511906129

[yardwork]

65. The only people I've ever heard use the term "racialist" were white supremacists.

[Garrett78]

68. It's disappointing to see the term used in this thread.

[yardwork]

70. But not surprising lately.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Who used the term "racialist" here?

[Garrett78]

75. AgingAmerican in post #16.

[whistler162]

63. I guess KOS didn't see that shark beloow him

when he made the jump!

[99Forever]

66. Bullshit.

[Sancho]

67. So far, Bernie's campaign has been mostly white mail and privileged (college students).

Looks a lot like Archie Bunkers and All in the Family.

Hillary's campaign has been mostly diverse. There's almost a perfect correlation between Bernie's "wins" and the % white in the primary state.

Democratic nominees should not be all-white. Super delegates were put in place partly to ensue diversity at the convention.

[bigtree]

69. this is something that Sanders folks never seemed to get

...to their candidacy's detriment.

[bobbobbins01]

71. Remember that time you admitted you were trolling?

Isn't it time to stop?

[democrattotheend]

73. What if John Edwards had won the primaries in 2008?

And then the scandal broke? Would it have been an undemocratic coup then? I say no, because it would be reasonable for the superdelegates to conclude that many if not most of the primary voters would not have voted for him had they know.

I am not saying the IG report is the equivalent of the Edwards scandal, but if this blows up more, and the last few primaries reflect a shift, and by the time of the convention Hillary appears to be unelectable because of scandal, then I think it's reasonable for the supers to decide that she is too much of a liability. But I think that would only be appropriate if it's bad enough that it's clear enough primary voters would have made a different choice.

[Metric System]

77. In your fantasy scenario Bernie likely wouldn't be the nominee. That's what's hilarious and short-

sighted about the FBI hopefuls. Bernie literally has no path to the nomination, FBI or not.

[Metric System]

76. For over a year Hillary detractors have said she wanted a coronation. But not a peep about Bernie

advocating overturning the will of the people. Interesting.

[CrowCityDem]

78. It represents the tone-deafness Bernie has when it comes to anything but economics.

If he can't understand that women and people of color, who make up the WINNING coalition in the Democratic primary, would be rightfully pissed off that the election was stolen from their choice and handed to the person with the majority of white male support, he needs an education in society. No, there isn't conscious racism involved in the decision to throw this garbage out there, but it does show a complete lack of any understanding that there is a different life experience beyond being a white man.

[gollygee]

79. This is so weird to me

I voted for Bernie, but it never occurred to me to get upset that he won't get the nomination when he's gotten fewer votes. This is how it works - I vote how I want, other people vote how they want, and the person with the most votes wins.

There's some weird sense of entitlement in seeing your candidate get fewer votes and still demanding that your candidate win. Also in assuming that it can't possibly be that the other candidate has more votes, but that there has to be a conspiracy. And then again in assuming that if people choose to vote for the other candidate, they must be stupid or uniformed or otherwise lesser. And then once again in saying, "If my candidate doesn't get the nomination even though he's gotten fewer votes, I'll pick up my ball and go home."

[aikoaiko]

81. Kos, shill that he is, doesn't appear to understand the SD reason for being.

Where was this "will of the people" SD philosophy when more than half declared for HRC before the first primary?

He and his sycophant followers can eff off for the piece of hypocrisy he is.

[mmonk]

83. I sure am glad all PoC are rich. I never knew that before this primary.

[uponit7771]

84. Yeap, more privilege from the establishment

[AgingAmerican]

85. The establishment exists to further and preserve white privlege

That and self enrichment