2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary proves that "winning at all costs" is not a value that Americans should have
Not to mention winning despite showing women to be as corrupt as men and Democrats to be as corrupt as Republicans. Will daughters and granddaughters be proud of Hillary once they know how corrupt she was?
There's a point in time when one should chose to maintain their honor and dignity rather than try to win it all.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,199 posts)Always has, and always will.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)She was in it to win it but it was supposed to be over soon (i.e. by Super Tuesday in March). But when that didn't happen because BHO was challenging her coronation, she went into kitchen sink mode... praising McCain's leadership and experience while deriding Obama as just someone who gave pretty speeches.
She will lie, pander, flip-flop, cheat... do anything to win. The email server issue is indicative of her machinations to skirt the law. Despite State regulations and IT warnings, she set up a private server in her home to conduct State business and also use her SOS position to make deals for the Clinton Foundation slush fund, pad her pockets for this POTUS bud and avoid scrutiny.
She's despicable and her corruption is positively Nixonian. Not a role model for my grandnieces
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Well, here it is, This is why right here.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)We should go back to the 50's.. I can't believe they don't smell their own shit.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)What an incredibly astute (and funny) response!
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)If they do they lose their honor and dignity... Yeah this post is crap.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)but it's important to understand the meaning of at least the words you want to accuse others of being.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I understand this post very well.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Weaponizing identity politics.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Some of us don't want to spend the next four years with Republicans impeaching Hillary because this time they have plenty of evidence.
I guess some of us have morals and expect more from people.
People who support Hillary must be "i got mine F you" types because the rest of us have figured out the status quo is not okay for the majority of Americans, particularly young people coming of age in this mess.
We don't have 4 years to screw around with Hillary's corruption.
We have problems to fix in this country and for some of us it is a matter of life and death!
Carolina
(6,960 posts)And the the truth about HRC is something many clearly can't handle and many willfully ignore... So they scream misogyny
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)msongs
(69,505 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I grieve when men betray us I grieve greater still when women do. Woman knowing what we know and having been being abused as we have been abused makes such betrayal too much to bare sometimes.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's about losing with class as opposed to losing with anger and bitterness. It's about respecting the will of the voters.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)likely would have won.
Do you know how many millennials are independents strictly because they hate the establishment in both the GOP and The Democratic Party?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Democrats pick their dem nominee. It's not hard to join the party.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)enough at BS now I can't imagine how mad you would be had he run third party.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I see you're getting a bit of flak but if you remove the gender from it you'd still get shit.
Bottom line is, she is doing herself and her supporters absolutely zero favors with her litany of poor decisions.
k8conant
(3,034 posts)I wonder why they support plutocracy.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Hillary is taking this party down farther than I thought it could go.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)She is actually one of the most honest there is. You think after all this MELTDOWN on Bernie side people will not think he is mentally not capable to lead? After all this mess he is doing?
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #27)
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840high
(17,196 posts)NNadir
(34,137 posts)...candidate. Thanks for your input.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Against Hillary = supporting Trump !? Your not allowed to have more than 2 choices?
NNadir
(34,137 posts)Most sane people would agree I think.
I am uninterested, in general, in the trivial protestations of people who don't see this. Generously, if such a person were to live in extremely bright climates I hope I can assume that the insanity does not derive from intrinsic disability, such as a lack of intelligence but is rather the temporary result of heatstroke temporarily frying one's brain.
Enjoy the holiday weekend. Wear sunscreen if you go out too much, as melanoma is on the rise.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)As if your own economic future is not a big deal? Would you like to be homeless or an economic leach on your relatives? You haven't been with homeless people and see how much they suffer on a daily basis.
NNadir
(34,137 posts)...climate change. This single issue is why I never took Sanders seriously, since his views consist of thirty year old rhetoric that has failed at great expense, in particular to the poor, since his program is involved with subsidizing rich assholes in McMansions who put solar cells on their roofs, while people working two or three minimum wage jobs to feed their kids have to struggle to pay their electric bills.
Somehow, I don't think that living in Lilly-White Vermont among the bourgeois, Sanders knows shit from shinola about poverty. I've spent a considerable amount of time in Vermont. It's basically a resort state. His supporters don't seem in general to understand very much either about poverty, and are rather provincial in their outlook, not that this stops them from lecturing others on subjects, again, they know nothing about.
Despite your dubious assertions about what I know about poverty you're rather clueless on that score.
If you have written a post somewhere on the internet remarking on the proportion of people who live on $1.25/day, please direct me to it, as I'm sure it will be, um, telling.
I have written such a post, and it contains 67 references, many of them to the primary scientific literature. The subject of broad human poverty and energy policy - on which I work obsessively at my own expense - elsewhere. Current World Energy Demand, Ethical World Energy Demand, Depleted Uranium and the Centuries to Come.
I feel no need to apologize for my views to a Hillary bashing Trump excusing fool. The problem with the petulant fools who continue to bash Ms. Clinton in service to that egotistical poorly educated senile old bastard is that they have a certain moral superciliousness. It may be fine to be a little supercilious if one is right, but when one is wrong, it's, well, damning.
Stay out of the sun this weekend. It can be bad for your health, and try not to run the air conditioner too long if the wind isn't blowing. Enjoy the weekend.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)And that neoliberalism is the future?
You fail to realize that this is more than just Bernie, this is about the future of our country, and Bernie is not perfect but he looks like a saint compared to every other politician. Bernie supporters are tired of politics being run by bullshit artists and Hillary is one of the biggest.
Hillary won't do shit about helping ordinary Americans in more than incremental ways that won't upset the rich and powerful. A lot of Americans are suffering in this country, and Bernie has stepped up because noone else has. Bernie is not perfect but noone else has the guts to stand up for the 99%.
America has morally degraded and I'm not even sure that Bernie could save it. I am relatively young and I feel like pathetic assholes in Washington that only care about the rich and are seemingly tolerant of madness are ruining my future in this country. I don't want to be forced to move to another country where I may have second class status, but if I have to do it I will. This country is already full of assholes and chumps and it's only because this is the only country I know and have been a part of that I tolerate it, but anything else can push me over to leave it.
NNadir
(34,137 posts)...20,000 posts, I've begun to finally use the "ignore" button. At the conclusion of this post, I will certainly add the author of this Trump promoting diatribe to it.
Were this my website - and it isn't of course - I would ban the purveyors of specious, mindless, and vicious attacks on the Democratic nominee.
I am a D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T, and I suspect that any intellectually weak attempt to associate support for the former Secretary of State (and the next President) Ms. Clinton with disregard for FDR and/or President Johnson is, frankly, as ignorant as sin.
In my close to 20,000 posts here, and thousands of posts elsewhere, I made it very, very, very clear that in my mind the penultimate Democrat representing what I regard as Democratic values was Eleanor Roosevelt. Her husband has his flaws, but he is generally considered by most historians to have been the second greatest President in US history, a ranking with which I agree.
Now. I can imagine some smug asshole when confronting Ms. Roosevelt were she alive today carrying on stupidly about how she was rich and therefore clueless; she was indeed a wealthy woman. To add insult to injury in the minds of these vapid people, Ms. Roosevelt, unlike Ms. Clinton, was born rich, and might have, and certainly was expected in her time, to have lived a non-working life of leisure. But work she did, and for me, in the work she did she defined integrity and devotion to justice that clueless bastards, Republicans and a certain class of people now writing to my distress on this website, know nothing about.
Rather than spewing vitriolic diatribes on the internet, one would be advised - if one is ignorant - to open a history book. From where I sit, most Sanders supporters are functional illiterates, whether the subject is the science of climate change, or, as in the present case, history. Unfortunately I see no impetus on their part to broaden their intellectual horizons, they'd rather just obviate their ignorance.
But like I say, I have no use for people who are engaging in de facto Trump support as they bash Ms. Clinton. We're done. I'm an old man and I don't need to raise my blood pressure by listening to de facto Trumpsters.
Welcome to my suddenly growing "ignore" list, which in this year has grown from zero to about 10 people, and is sure to grow further as more primitive thinkers carry on as we see here.
Have a nice weekend.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)they are so smart when they are not, which is why they tend not to be as happy compared to others and actually often are not that more successful than others at life.
From: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150413-the-downsides-of-being-clever
A tendency to rely on gut instincts rather than rational thought might also explain why a surprisingly high number of Mensa members believe in the paranormal; or why someone with an IQ of 140 is about twice as likely to max out their credit card.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Neither can America wait another 8 years to fight back against the big corporations and the rich that are making life unbearably harder and harder for Americans. Millions of lives are being ruined just to feed the fatcat lifestyles of the 1%.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Ever since Reagan got elected. Part of his appeal was his supposed plain speaking, "There you go again," was the response to Carter's cogent arguments about healthcare, and it worked. Then America gave us Dubya twice, John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate and now we've got the spectre of a Trump presidency.
If that wasn't enough, after Britain voted Churchill as Britain's greatest Briton, narrowly beating Shakespeare, Brunel and Nelson, America chose Ronnie as the greatest American. Not Jefferson, Roosevelt, Washington, Sam Clemens or anyone remotely worthy of the title. Incidentally when Britain was asked the same question we chose Homer Simpson, and you can see why.
MFM008
(19,962 posts)After June 14.
Right now he is resorting to threats and demands against democrats, not FELLOW
democrats since he has resorted to his real anti - democrats agenda.
What he is threatening now is nothing more than a vendetta and has nothing to do with an
agenda for fellow Americans but an agenda for the glory of Sanders.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Palin and right before the first woman president (Warren 2020!).
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)You don't want Trump to won do you?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)My dislike for both of them as candidates, based on what they represent and support, is equal.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I think Hillary is roughly where most politicians are, not more corrupt and not less corrupt.
"I'm shocked, simply shocked to find that presidential nominees actually try to win! How horrifying and wrong!"