2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Bernie was the nominee, Trump and Republicans would DANCE FOR JOY IN THE STREETS.
They would shoot off fireworks, have block parties all night, and dance all night in sheer delight if Bernie was the nominee.
Why? Because they would immediately start producing the ENDLESS ATTACK ADS with hammer and sickle flags saying "Communist Communist Communist."
We would hear "Communist Bernie" constantly from now until election day. We would also see so many other ads:
"Bernie who wants to raise your taxes through the roof."
"Bernie who wants to expand government by seventeen trillion dollars."
"Bernie the porn writer."
"Bernie the do-nothing on-unemployment bum."
"Bernie who says one thing but votes another way if it benefits Vermont."
"Bernie the Fidel Castro lover."
"Bernie the Sandinista lover."
"Bernie whose wife drove a college into the ground."
And SO much more that would almost instantly TANK him in the polls. It would be a political BLOODBATH.
Sorry Bernie fans, but the white cloak which you drape over Bernie would be ripped off in an instant and sunk in an ocean of the most damaging dirt and sludge you could possibly imagine. So far Bernie has been deliberately given a complete pass. Not a single negative ad. Why? Because the R's WANT him to win. They WANT to run against him. They are YEARNING to run against him so they can then start yelling "COMMUNIST COMMUNIST COMMUNIST" night and day and day and night. And it would be DEVASTATING.
Vote2016
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RBInMaine
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CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)hard evidence of your heroine, doing all that is well documented... and the list is indeed lengthy... and then to be diplomatic... NOT exactly being TRUTHFUL about it! If you need video documentation of the empirical veracity of this statement, I will be more than happy to provide it... UNBELIEVABLE is the level of COGNITIVE DISSONANCE ... here!
Bob-o the Clown
(35 posts)and listen to me. Clinton handled top secret materials into her unclassified and unsecured (for 3 months) home-brewed server for 3 months for her emails. Many of the emails are TS/SCI, 22 are so classified, it can't be released for public information. They were all found on her unsecured, unclassified and hackable server.
That, and her relationship with Sid Blumenthal is what is going to take Clinton down.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)At the very least, she put state secrets at great risk, but I'm OK with "leaked'. Especially seeing the Hillary supporters are perfectly OK labeling every Bernie supporter a racist.
Not good enough Hillary, Lol
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I don't know.. I don't trust GOP. Vermont news reported it.
Demsrule86
(69,128 posts)but voted to send men and women to war would clobber him too...look what they did to Kerry?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)as Hillary! BIG DIFFERENCE! Get Yer FACTS straight...
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Right wing BS can easily beat him?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)You OR me?
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)I mean close enough, but it's hard to see Trump making e.g., "porn writer" a key differentiator. Maybe the red baiting since that's common to both parties, but Trump isn't a cookie cutter republican with the blah-blah tax 'n spend pitch, again that's more like a Clintonian third way tack than this sort of reality show fascism we're seeing. If anything Bernie seems to neutralize Trump's "saying what idiots secretly think" motif, while Hillary isn't allowed to say what she thinks because her approval ratings plummet whenever Real Hillary talks about her experiences with poverty or sniper fire, so she has to be carefully stage-managed to compartmentalize the candidate and the image of "???" she's attempting to project.
Sancho
(9,073 posts)Bernie had a free ride so far. Admittedly the sources are all over the map, but Trump and friends would have a field day with him. Depending on your interest, he could be attacked many ways. This is just a small number of mostly local and limited circulation publications. On a national media stage, with big RW dollars pushing along, Bernie would be a sitting duck on the topics you raise and others.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/26/exclusive-bernie-sanders-wife-may-have-defrauded-state-agency-bank/
http://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-and-wife-steered-campaign-nonprofit-money-to-family-and-friends/
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion
http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2015/02/hypocrisy-alert-bernie-sanders-wanting.html
http://muckraker-gg.blogspot.com/2013/11/how-lockheed-and-sandia-came-to-vermont.html
http://socialistworker.org/2015/06/01/what-i-learned-about-bernie-sanders
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jaredmeyer/2015/08/25/sanders-rubio-support-costly-sugar-subsidies/
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/look ... rs-72.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/look ... nders.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/look ... rs-90.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/look ... right.html
http://www.quora.com/What-dirt-is-there-on-Bernie-Sanders
https://bhermannview.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/beware-of-colonel-sanders/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1409803/-Introducing-Bernie-Sanders-the-Hypocrite
https://jhaines6a.wordpress.com/2015/05/04/list-israeli-dual-citizens-in-the-us-114th-congress-and-bernie-sanders-is-on-it-j/
https://www.popularresistance.org/lets-not-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders/
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-compares-his-sex-article-50-shades-grey
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/sanders-leftwing-economic
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)I've met and spoken with Biden for quite a while... Nice salesman. NOT going to change a thing as he is an apparatchik of The Establishment just like Hillary... Perhaps not as bad as HRC in that regard, but he will toe the line for THE POWERS THAT BE!
Sancho
(9,073 posts)There are plenty of other good Democratic candidates who would be better than Bernie, but point of the OP is clear. Bernie would be an easy target for a general election. He has plenty of issues that the repubs could exploit.
So far, it has not been worth their time and money.
GOP debates rarely mentioned Bernie. The RW PACs run ads against Hillary, but no Bernie. They could if they wanted.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Sancho
(9,073 posts)Actually, that's just the tip of the iceberg as an example. In the real world of today's politics, that's the way it is.
If Bernie supporters don't know about his history that could be used against him, then they are naive.
The OP listed some possible issues. I merely provided a few links to those topics and similar ones so than DUers could see that the OP was not hypothetical - but the potential attacks were really out there.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)There isn't a 3 volume set for Hillary?
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)they will never vote for ANY Dem anyway! A TOTAL BS argument!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)shawn703
(2,702 posts)They want their Red Scare back
pipoman
(16,038 posts)What about hiding your official Secretary of State email server in your basement? What about the demonstrable and incessant lying? What about Hils love affair with investment banking corruption?
No, trump will target whomever is the Democratic candidate and Sanders has a fuckload less baggage than Hillary.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,659 posts)Bernie, Hillary, or Jesus, the Republicans would blast the Dem nominee with attack ads, innuendo, misinformation, and flat out lies period. Tactics might differ, but the strategy would be the same so not really a compelling reason to pull support from a candidate. Quite the contrary.
babylonsister
(171,220 posts)you most assuredly are applying it to the wrong candidate. Why are you so nervous? What's the point of this OP? Who are you trying to convince?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Weak sauce
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... another trip up the Denial River.
Tailgunner Joe McCarthy called, wants his lameass, sorry, punkish Red Scare back.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... just by accurately citing her record.
He's got nothing on Bernie and is afraid to run against him, afraid to debate him. Trump can only lose votes by facing Bernie.
Dustlawyer
(10,502 posts)Clinton at the convention Trump would lose. Bernie has been getting stronger the more people hear his message while Hillary's numbers drop the longer she runs. Independents really love Bernie whereas Hillary, not so much.
Trump is going to be Trump no matter who he runs against. He will badly lose debates to either Hillary or Bernie, but Hillary has some real dirt mixed with fake dirt for Trump to make mud out of to hurl at her. Bernie is clean, nothing Trump would make up would stick.
Bob-o the Clown
(35 posts)Before you run your mouth off....
Alex4Martinez
(2,244 posts)Are you serious?
"Hillary who can not be trusted"
"Hillary who prisons you predators"
"Hillary too good to use government email"
"Hillary has hedge funders in the family"
death penalty, outsourcing, anti-working wage, there's no bottom to the pit of negatives.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)more about her. She will lose to Trump.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)do you really want me to make a list of the things we will be hit with if Hillary is the nominee? you know it will be quite a bit longer.....