Hillary's ignorance of technology may be her achilles heel.

[Avalux]

Since she obviously has no clue outside of pushing buttons on her blackberry. So when Hillary tries to do what she always does and talk around the elephant in the room, she isn't able to do it. She's good at obfuscation when asked about something she knows a lot about but not this.

Her contradictory answers and what appear to be outright lies regarding her emails are exposing her for what she really is.

[SheilaT]

1. It seems to me that another fundamental problem with her is that

she does not understand to what extent things live on forever on the interwebs. Like her arrival that day in Bosnia, the one she seems to remember as involving sniper fire. Of other of the many lies she has told that are so easily refuted. She came of age in an era when researching such things was sufficiently tedious and time consuming, that it didn't usually get done. Now, a few key strokes and voila! What actually occurred is right there. But she still doesn't get it. She thinks that what she says must be true, and does not get it that her lies can be easily refuted.

Her appalling ignorance of technology is part and parcel of this.

[JDPriestly]

34. I assure you. I was more ignorant than Hillary about IT.

But wherever I worked, there was IT personnel who taught me how to separate professional from personal e-mail accounts and how to use web technology that would protect secure communications with my office when I was at home. I worked in the private sector.

I was nowhere near the level or near the need for security that Hillary was.

I am having difficulty believing that the two IT people who worked on her system, her server did not advise her on the importance of security measures.


Something does not make sense in the story we are getting on this.

She had two IT advisors as I now understand it. Security measures like multiple e-mail accounts were the norm.

[SheilaT]

37. Yes. Either her IT people were amazingly incompetent,

or she bullied them into setting up an unsecure server.

[Sancho]

42. Her IT people and security people did a good job...

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-not-scandal-464414

Then there is the issue of security. The one thing that seems clear from the report is that Clinton’s email system was more secure than the one at the State Department. Before delving into that, though, one of the biggest misconceptions about this email “scandal” has to be dispelled: Neither Clinton nor any other senior official cleared for dealing with classified information has only one email system. One is used for workaday business—memos, drafts, information to department employees, questions and answers between individuals—and that is the type used by Clinton, Powell, and Rice’s senior staff that has been reviewed by the inspector general. The second email system, for materials designated as classified, has nothing to do with this controversy. It uses a highly restricted, compartmented information facility, or what is known in intelligence circles as a SCIF. Most senior officials who deal with classified information have a SCIF in their offices and their homes guarded 24 hours a day by physical and technical security teams. In other words, this widely held belief that Clinton and Powell were emailing information classified as top-secret on personal accounts is hooey. (Yes, some emails not marked as classified have been retroactively deemed as such; this happens all the time.)

As for the department’s unclassified system, the inspector general's report demonstrates that it was horribly insecure, and that hackers obtained terabytes worth of documents out of it; on the other hand, Clinton’s email system was quite secure and, when evidence emerged that someone was trying to hack in, the security officer overseeing the server immediately shut it down, then notified the relevant officials at State. In other words, while boxcars of documents were digitally pulled out of the agency, there is no evidence a single email was snagged out of Clinton’s server. So it could be the Clinton arrangement didn’t follow the security procedures laid out in the federal regulations—the inspector general did not reach a conclusion as to whether it did or not—but, as often happens, private security contractors did a better job than the government.

[JDPriestly]

75. Still, she was required to hand over all her e-mails upon leaving the State Department

and clearly did not do that.

If our government technology is not secure, Congress need so do its job and provide the money to bring it up to date and make it secure.

The security issue is not the sole issue. Transparency in government is also important, and Hillary's e-mail system fails and failed there.

[lmbradford]

77. The depositions say otherwise.

Go back and read what the testimony says. This report is based on what Hillary said BEFORE the IG report came out, as I understand it.

The timeline that a DUer put together makes it all very clear.

[CorporatistNation]

71. Hillary Was WEll Advissed... She Just Does NOT Listen And I Would Submit That She Just Wanted To

Stay at home rather than go in to work like the rest of us... So in the end... her "judgement" on this matter as well as pointed self interest resulted in her having to do THIS:

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[JDPriestly]

73. Thanks for posting. It's Morning Joe, but still it is undeniable that Hillary cannot be

trusted and that she worked so hard to avoid transparency. I wonder if she was trying to protect her e-mails so that they could not be used against her in her coming campaign for the presidency -- so that her mistakes as Secretary of State would not be so easily proved.

[Press Virginia]

2. Someone said she was the most qualified person

For the job since George Washington....he couldn't e-mail from a computer either so there is some similarity

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. Guess what? People like Hillary don't have time to obsess over geek

tech shit. They are too busy living life.

[840high]

5. Let her live life outside

the Oval Office.

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. outside goofball geek crap.

[athena]

53. Enjoy Trump's presidency, then.

Posts like this make it clear that people who are against Hillary are against her for personal reasons. I don't support Sanders, yet I would not make such a hateful statement about his life and how he lives it.

No one makes statements like this about white male presidential candidates. It's only when we're talking about a minority candidate that people suddenly start having issues with the idea that a member of a minority might actually live in the White House as POTUS. It's such a strange thing to focus on. Once again, such statements reveal more about the speaker (or poster) than they do about Hillary Clinton.

[athena]

66. Sadly, it's no longer surprising to see examples of incivility --

ridicule and personal attacks -- coming from Bernie supporters. Your post doesn't even make sense; yet it manages to be nasty. I suppose that's a sort of accomplishment.

[840high]

70. Tha poster likes the word "nasty." How

dare we vote for someone we believe in.

[840high]

64. I don't care what you think. You support

a candidate that can't beat Trump.

[athena]

65. Be as nasty as you like.

Your nastiness says something about you -- it says nothing about those you are nasty to, nor about the candidate you clearly hate.

The lack of logic in your post is also delightful. You claim that I support a candidate who can't beat Trump, yet you support a candidate who can't even beat that candidate..

[840high]

69. There is nothing nasty in

my post. Debbie and DNC and the media have a lot to do with this election. Support who you want and I will do the same.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

74. ???

[bobbobbins01]

7. Being able to use a PC to check email is geek tech shit?

Is the internet also a series of tubes?

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. You said it not me!!!

[ljm2002]

9. If she doesn't know enough to have knowledgeable people...

...in charge of the "geek tech shit" then she does not belong in high office.

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. According to you?

Hahahahahahaha

[ljm2002]

14. Well obviously according to me...

...as I am the person who posts opinions from this account.

Duh.

[hollysmom]

15. geek crap indeed where would you be without geek crap?

how about someone who can listen to a person who is better at security? Why am I sure that this whole campaign is on a more secure server now, probably protected with the latest security and the blackberry is retired now.

If she were as careless with this campaign as she was as SOS, she would be sitting inher garden right now as all her secrets would be out.

geeks rule.

[TCJ70]

20. If you don't know enough about something...

...you should at least know enough to listen to people who do. Fact is, she didn't and now she's having to answer questions about it. Questions like: Why did you listen to the experts about the geek tech shit?

[hollysmom]

32. this is what I, an ex IT manager, have been trying to say to people here.

Judgement - if you don't know something find someone who does. Dont try and run a home server if you are too cheap to have a qualified person keep the security up to date. And passwords are important.

[TCJ70]

51. It pretty much applies on anything...

...either learn it yourself or rely on someone who knows it. A president should be comfortable with the fact that they don't know everything...

[hollysmom]

57. exactly.

[Press Virginia]

23. Its e-mail...it's not exactly the cutting edge of new IT products

considering it was widely used when her husband was in office

[Bonobo]

30. Ha ha, you want someone that can't perform basic internet searches for example?

Good god, now I understand why you place such an odd demand for having "facts at your fingertips" --a completely redundant ability. Facts are now something that is at your fingertips, but off loaded into the cloud.

Remembering shit is not nearly as trustworthy since memory is unreliable.

We don't need a pre-internet dinosaur who can't use a computer.

[JDPriestly]

35. That is why they hire experts who set up there servers and accounts for them snd advise

Them on security.

I do not believe that Hillary's IT assistants were unaware of the security risks she was taking or that they failed to warn her to separate private and business e-mails.

She chose one account for a reason, and it was not covenience.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Ehhhhhh.. It's the 21st Century, Hoss.

The jr. high kids with the glasses who couldn't get through a single day in 1973 without being subjected to a swirly or a melvin, now run the world.

[magical thyme]

49. seriously. pointing & clicking on a pc is very complex

much harder than on a BB.

[brush]

4. She's like many of that generation who just missed total emersion in computers . . .

and email and servers and all that in their work and home lives. And her, being a top manager, she always had executive assistants to take care of most of that for her.

I don't think she's lying, she's was just not entirely literate in computer tech, as were most of the rest of top officials.

Hell, the governments computers and systems when she was SOS were antiquated, years behind state of the art and training was just about non-existent.

I'm sure most of us have people in their family like that.

Same with Condoleeza Rice. She didn't even use email.

Kerry is the first SOS with a .gov email address, and he's the SOS now — the first one.

[840high]

6. more excuses - carry on......

[brush]

11. That's all you have to say. You don't have people in your family not entirely . . ,

familiar with computers?

[840high]

18. Actually everyone in my

family is good with PC. My grandsons started at an early age and my daughter is a web developer.

[brush]

21. Hah hah. You know I'm talking about older relatives.

[840high]

26. Unfortunately all my older relatives

are dead. I am 77.

[leftinportland]

29. My 90 year old mother

learned to use a computer...no excuses

[Bonobo]

31. Yes, and they should not be POTUS in the year 2020. nt

[brush]

50. Maybe, maybe not, but we're about to nominate Clinton for 2016.

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. Interesting that so many here seem to think ...

their experience is everyone's experience. I.e., "MY 90 year old mother ...", ""Everyone in MY family ...".

And, I woun't even get into wondering whether that is even true, or just serves their argument ... because that would lead me to ponder whether DU is, in fact, the epicenter of one-off genius.

[hollysmom]

17. and Hillary refused to listen to t he tech person who knew who told her no blackberry.

you don't have to know everything but you have to have good judgement in knowing when to listen to an expert. Or at least someone capable.

and you are wrong Colin Powell also had a gov e-mail account that he used for most e-mail and the handful he used his own account for were all printed out and in the hands of the state department before he left office.

[brush]

22. It was just reported today that Kerry is the first to have a .gov address.

[hollysmom]

24. He may be the first to use it exclusively but I am rpetty sure Powell had one as well.

I won't have time to check until tomorrow night, I will try and remember to look for it.

[JDPriestly]

36. I thought that way about it too until I remembered that it was the IT guys in my offices

Who were responsible for making sure I understood how to securr business information that was confidential.

I do not believe that her I T assistants did not warn her about the importance of separate e-mail accounts and security. She had two I T employees part-time. She chose to do things the waybshe did.

[ms liberty]

43. My MIL is her age

She is a retired teacher who went back to college when her kids were in school and got her degree. Taught business and computers at the local high school. That excuse doesn't wash.

[RobertEarl]

10. She knew what she was doing

People need to quit making excuses for her. They set up the private server so they could do State business with outsiders.

So much so that hackers were able to read all the communications. There are laws that prohibit that, and they knew it, but figured they wouldn't get caught.

Guess what: They got caught,

[GreatGazoo]

41. Sets up her own email server to avoid oversight then says she doesn't know how to use email

when she gets caught. The statement is inconsistent with her actions and is likely just part of her defense and PR.

[lumberjack_jeff]

16. This isn't happening because she's ignorant, but because she's sneaky.

[840high]

19. yep

[IdaBriggs]

76. ^== THIS. Well said!

[R B Garr]

25. And I bet she only types 40 words per minute.

[barrow-wight]

27. Her ignorance of technology may be her winning hand. :)

[Live and Learn]

28. No wonder she believes we need H1B visas. She thinks we are all as incompetent as her. nt

[hollysmom]

33. oh Bern

I was replaced by an H1B, my department was .

[Lil Missy]

38. That is one of the dumbest conclusions I've seen so far.

[Avalux]

63. Of course you'd say that. Keep clinging! n/t

[pansypoo53219]

39. can you say louis freeh?

[reddread]

40. not really

the Clinton's were quite adept with high tech when it comes to seizing a political opportunity,
and I seriously doubt they ever intended to lose that advantage.

[GreatGazoo]

44. a really interesting piece

that combines a time capsule of the 1992 election year with a peek into what is said "off camera"

I had nearly forgotten Larry Agran's campaign (17:30) and how he got arrested for trying to get out of the MSM's black out of him.

The Clinton stuff at 53:00 shows how they grabbed satellite feeds and used them to generate their own rapid response. Fascinating that they grabbed their opponents commercials when they were being fed to regional stations. In those days stuff was still on cartridges, so you had like 3/4" beta cassettes that were commercials and you had to load them physically into the players. So one way to get ads out to regional stations was to feed them to the local station via satellite and then the station would have someone dupe them off to the individual cartridges. So when they say the Clinton campaign could see their opponents ads up to 36 hours before they aired, that is how they did, by grabbing the satellite feed just like the producer of this documentary.

Reminded me of the Italian documentary "Videocracy" -- worth a watch if you like this subject.

[ancianita]

45. Yeah, what IS that. I'm her age and I can manage files, whatever, etc; she's got no excuse.

I'm with JD on this. She's pleading ignorance for cover. Not cool.

[Blue_Adept]

46. It's also going to be a positive for a lot of older voters

Who really don't keep up with it to some degree or understand it themselves.

My 77 year old mother has a passing familiarity with technology to be sure, she worked with computers in the 80's and 90's and has had plenty of family deeply mired in it.

But she was amused when she was at a store recently and they were unable to finish out a purchase for her because it required an email address.

She's never, ever, had one. Her office work experience ended in the 90's before the company had an email at all because everything was done in person and it was just document management.

Just try to remember that people have a range of very different views on the situation with this.

[Vinca]

47. There's ignorance and then there's "ignorance."

If the FBI was investigating me, I'd be wiping the computer clean with a dust cloth, too.

[reddread]

55. +1

[slipslidingaway]

78. ^^^^^ nt

[yourout]

52. her hubris is far and away her biggest problem...

In my opinion.

[JoePhilly]

56. One minute Hillary is an evil technical mastermind ...

... setting up servers to hide her many many many illegal activities ... and the next minute ... Berners claim she's ignorant of all things technical.

[brush]

58. Good one.

She an evil technical genius, no wait, she's technically ignorant but still evil.

[Lil Missy]

68. Yes. and they say WE are desperate!

[99Forever]

60. I don't buy for one second that Clinton is "ignorant of technology."

Her actions were calculated, deliberate, and done with purpose.

Her ignorance, was being so damn arrogant that she actually thought that even if she did get caught, that she was so far above the law so it wouldn't matter.