Idiotic Sanders supporter claims he created fake homophobic video as a social experiment.

[pnwmom]

Last edited Sun May 29, 2016, 12:50 AM - Edit history (2)

So the video of the rally which appeared to show Sanders entering the stage to a homophobic rap video is a fake, with the video altered to include that song.

And it was done by a Bernie supporter -- not a Bernie hater.

I think his story is very strange though. Why would he do a social experiment that could make Bernie look bad?

His statement here:

To make a long story short, It started off as a goof, and turned into a social experiment. Literally everyone and their mothers went nuts, using it for their own agendas to prove that some how Bernie Sanders was anti gay all along, I chose that song because I knew it would shake up both ends of the spectrum. So I want to ask everyone, The younger folks out there, I really do appreciate the immense love everyone gave Bernie Sanders, but please think more about the political process and get involved instead of having to have a viral video to motivate you to make a move and vote. To those Hilary supporters, I hope you feel at a lose for words and I say that with all due respect, I respect your stance but Id like to ask you how it feels to believe you almost had a 1up on Bernie and a reason to shame him only to come up short? Just like you all accused the Bernie supporters of being senseless for following this man coming out to a DMX you too are a victim of blindly believing everything you see on the internet. With that said, I hope everyone remembers what memorial day is all about and RIP to all my dead soldiers, its more than just a 3 day weekend. God bless america.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/28/sanders_campaign_denies_senator_played_homophobic_dmx_song_at_rally.html


http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/faked_bernie_sanders_playing_homophobic_rap_song_video_was_made_by_a_bernie_sanders_supporter

But according to Joe.My.God., Acuna has confessed to LGBT blogger and author Matt Rettenmund of Boy Culture, and to Slate. Before Acuna's confession, Rettenmund was on to the perpetrator, having wading through his tweets to confirm he's a Sanders supporter.

Acuna tells Rettenmund, "this was a social experiment, and everyone seem to fall for it."

Well, not everyone. NCRM did not.

Confessing that the "video was faked," Acuna says, "i knew everyone would go nuts."

"Im a Bernie supporter but one of the main things that I set to prove is the medias ability to rewrite headlines and make everything seem twisted." Which is essentially what he did, only worse. Most of the media doesn't intentionally splice audio on top of video to create 100 percent false stories that people think are real.

"The video was a joke at first." Acuna says, "as i thought about it, i knew everyone would go nuts," confessing that the "video was faked." i just want to give a major shout out to boy culture for keeping a level head about the situation.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/05/28/video-of-homophobic-rap-at-sanders-rally-seems-fake/

UPDATE: Acuna, who identifies as a Sanders supporter, shared with the Blade a statement he gave to other media outlets asserting the video is fake and he created it as a “social experiment.”

“I did this to prove how quick the internet is to chew something up, and believe anything they here going as far as to make comments about Bernie Sanders and saying that he is a homophobe, the video is fake, he obviously is not,” Acuna said. “Moral of the story? Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. Our integrity must be stronger than to vote for a man based off a video and stronger than to just accuse a man of being something he isn’t off of something you see on the internet just to use for your own political agenda.”

[grasswire]

1. I guess his experiment proved his thesis.

Hillaryans will go from 0 to 60 in a nanosecond if they think something will hurt Bernie.

[pnwmom]

2. Oh, right. Because the same reaction would never have happened if it appeared Hillary had done that.

[oberliner]

39. And Bernie fans will defend Bernie no matter what

You have to admit that this phenomenon exists among people on both sides.

[vintx]

52. You're wrong. Nobody defended his alleged use of the song.

What was expressed was either disbelief that it was a real video (the truth), or the idea that someone on his staff stupidly picked a hip-sounding song.

Nothing like Hillary's fans defending her every ACTUAL bad decision with some rationalization or another.

[oberliner]

62. Some said he isn't responsible for choosing the music himself

Therefore it's not a big deal.

[vintx]

64. I gotta say I admire your diligent efforts to distract people from HRC's willingness to cut SS,

to take PAC money, to lie about matters of national security, etc.

You won't be successful in this effort, but it takes guts to keep pounding the drum over something so stupid and meaningless when such important issues are at stake.

[oberliner]

67. Nothing should distract from the critical issues of the campaign

My point, in fact, is that this was a goof that people briefly fell for, and is now over.

[azurnoir]

66. anyone who watched the video for even 10 seconds realized it was a very bad over dub - I did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2075102

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2074908

[oberliner]

68. BET and Billboard Magazine didn't realize it

They both ran the story.

[Trust Buster]

3. Just more evidence of the Sanders double standard. Do as I say, not as I do.

[Barack_America]

4. Not believable. Took off too quickly.

I recall O'Keefe's first video came with the same BS.

Nope. There is money involved here.

[oberliner]

40. Completely believable - didn't really take off much at all

He posted the video. The Source Magazine ran an article about it. A few other outlets picked up that article. Some twitter back and forth ensued. He admitted it was a joke. It was all over in a matter of a few hours. The vast majority of the country didn't hear about it and doesn't care about it.

[vintx]

53. Do you think it would have been over in hours if he hadn't admitted it? nt

[oberliner]

61. I think it would've been debunked with or without the admission

Once reporters did actual reporting.

[Demsrule86]

5. Maybe he is covering for Bernie?

Sees odd.

[Uponthegears]

6. Who's the idiot?

Straight from Edwin Acuna's mouth.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7386067/bernie-sanders-dmx-where-the-hood-at-video-fake

The test was whether Hillary would push an obviously false story to gain a political advantage (you know, like she did by lying about Bernie's involvement in the civil rights movement OR lying about getting permission to use an unsecured server).

Hillary's grade?

FAIL

[pnwmom]

7. It wasn't an obviously fake story to many Bernie supporters here, who defended his use

of the song, with various reasons (someone else picked it out, they weren't paying attention to the lyrics, etc.) or said it was just a mistake.

And if the same thing had been done to a Hillary video, it would have gotten the same negative reaction.

[Uponthegears]

9. So you're faulting Sanders supporters

for underestimating the audacity of Hillary's lies?

[pnwmom]

11. This story has nothing to do with Hillary. It's just about what some guy claims to have done

with a rally video, and why he claims to have done it.

[Uponthegears]

15. Are you

Blaming the Brock Bros?

Are we going to see everyone from Josh Marshall to Kos lecturing her about getting them under control?

[oberliner]

41. Neither Hillary nor her campaign had anything to do with this

It was just a goof that some folks fell for.

[okasha]

70. Some evidence that "Hillary pushed it," if you please.

[Uponthegears]

79. I keep it right next to

Hillary supporters' evidence that Senator Sanders "pushed" violence, misogyny, racism, or any of the other things he has been held responsible for.

Not good enough?

Do we have to show the emails between her and Brock? . . . Well, you got me there.

Do we have to show more than the identical Taverihenhouales posts?

I'm just having trouble understanding what you want.

[okasha]

81. Thanks for admitting you lied.

[Uponthegears]

82. Oh my

You certainly are full of yourself.

First, given the language of my post, I "lied" ONLY if Hillary's ENTIRE primary campaign is a "lie."

Second, acting like their is no connection between Hillary and the assorted David Brock machinations is what is a "lie."

Third, the Hillary campaign's (i.e., David Brock's) carefully orchestrated effort to smear Bernie on LGBT issues began with HILLARY SUPPORTER Peter Staley's hogwash attack on Bernie's press release about meeting with AIDS activists and discussing capping prices on AIDS drugs. (Ever wonder why he could only get 19 of the 40 people at the meeting to sign on to his attack? I wonder what they had in common.)(Oh, btw, this DOESN'T mean I don't think that **** Gunnels shouldn't be fired. His FB post was ridiculous.) It was pushed through the "LGBT media" by HILLARY SUPPORTER John Aravois. It was pushed on DU by (expletive/TOS violation adjectives deleted) TJ and HH.

It was the same alliance that pushed the DMX lie both in the "LGBT media" and on DU.

The same Brock/Hillary smear team

That's evidence. The fact that you don't believe it doesn't make it a lie.

Go play somewhere else.

[SFnomad]

8. Geeze ... BS Cheerleaders almost make James O'Keefe look like a genius n/t

[Uponthegears]

14. Now there's some irony

O'Keefe's stuff had Third Way politicians voting to defund ACORN. 345-75.

Of course, seeing as how their righteous indignation over DMX shows that freedom of artistic expression is a privilege Hillary's supporters think people of color need to wait for patiently, this appears to be part of a pattern.

[Logical]

20. You hill supporters fell hard for it! Gullible much? Nt

[SFnomad]

25. You BS cheerleaders still believe in #BernieMath ... that's beyond gullible n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. This is like the Nevada chair throwing huh?

Is there any evidence that of who made the video, besides some blog posts?

[pnwmom]

13. The evidence is a Bernie supporter who gave interviews to multiple media outlets.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/05/28/video-of-homophobic-rap-at-sanders-rally-seems-fake/

UPDATE: Acuna, who identifies as a Sanders supporter, shared with the Blade a statement he gave to other media outlets asserting the video is fake and he created it as a “social experiment.”

“I did this to prove how quick the internet is to chew something up, and believe anything they here going as far as to make comments about Bernie Sanders and saying that he is a homophobe, the video is fake, he obviously is not,” Acuna said. “Moral of the story? Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. Our integrity must be stronger than to vote for a man based off a video and stronger than to just accuse a man of being something he isn’t off of something you see on the internet just to use for your own political agenda.”

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. I doubt it. Looks fake. News is real when it can be VERIFIED. Play the recording of the interview?

Show me Mr. Acuna? Let people judge for themselves whether he seems to be what he claims to be.

Let people judge for themselves based on the evidence.

The MSM reported violence and chaos, flying chairs, at the Nevada convention. They ran that story in high rotation for like 48 hours before we started refuting it and realizing it was totally fake. They had a report from a reporter. They created a reality that they wanted to create.

Sorry if I have no confidence in these reports without more evidence.

[pnwmom]

18. Here is more on Acuna.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/faked_bernie_sanders_playing_homophobic_rap_song_video_was_made_by_a_bernie_sanders_supporter

But according to Joe.My.God., Acuna has confessed to LGBT blogger and author Matt Rettenmund of Boy Culture, and to Slate. Before Acuna's confession, Rettenmund was on to the perpetrator, having wading through his tweets to confirm he's a Sanders supporter.

Acuna tells Rettenmund, "this was a social experiment, and everyone seem to fall for it."

Well, not everyone. NCRM did not.

Confessing that the "video was faked," Acuna says, "i knew everyone would go nuts."

"Im a Bernie supporter but one of the main things that I set to prove is the medias ability to rewrite headlines and make everything seem twisted." Which is essentially what he did, only worse. Most of the media doesn't intentionally splice audio on top of video to create 100 percent false stories that people think are real.

"The video was a joke at first." Acuna says, "as i thought about it, i knew everyone would go nuts," confessing that the "video was faked." i just want to give a major shout out to boy culture for keeping a level head about the situation.

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. This link goes nowhere. I think it is supposed to go to a Hillary supporter's blog.

For 2 full days we had confirmed reports of chairs flying.

[pnwmom]

22. Here are links to Slate, Washington Blade, and the New Civil Rights Movement.

Slate included Acuna's statement:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/28/sanders_campaign_denies_senator_played_homophobic_dmx_song_at_rally.html

To make a long story short, It started off as a goof, and turned into a social experiment. Literally everyone and their mothers went nuts, using it for their own agendas to prove that some how Bernie Sanders was anti gay all along, I chose that song because I knew it would shake up both ends of the spectrum. So I want to ask everyone, The younger folks out there, I really do appreciate the immense love everyone gave Bernie Sanders, but please think more about the political process and get involved instead of having to have a viral video to motivate you to make a move and vote. To those Hilary supporters, I hope you feel at a lose for words and I say that with all due respect, I respect your stance but Id like to ask you how it feels to believe you almost had a 1up on Bernie and a reason to shame him only to come up short? Just like you all accused the Bernie supporters of being senseless for following this man coming out to a DMX you too are a victim of blindly believing everything you see on the internet. With that said, I hope everyone remembers what memorial day is all about and RIP to all my dead soldiers, its more than just a 3 day weekend. God bless america.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/faked_bernie_sanders_playing_homophobic_rap_song_video_was_made_by_a_bernie_sanders_supporter

But according to Joe.My.God., Acuna has confessed to LGBT blogger and author Matt Rettenmund of Boy Culture, and to Slate. Before Acuna's confession, Rettenmund was on to the perpetrator, having wading through his tweets to confirm he's a Sanders supporter.

Acuna tells Rettenmund, "this was a social experiment, and everyone seem to fall for it."

Well, not everyone. NCRM did not.

Confessing that the "video was faked," Acuna says, "i knew everyone would go nuts."

"Im a Bernie supporter but one of the main things that I set to prove is the medias ability to rewrite headlines and make everything seem twisted." Which is essentially what he did, only worse. Most of the media doesn't intentionally splice audio on top of video to create 100 percent false stories that people think are real.

"The video was a joke at first." Acuna says, "as i thought about it, i knew everyone would go nuts," confessing that the "video was faked." i just want to give a major shout out to boy culture for keeping a level head about the situation.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/05/28/video-of-homophobic-rap-at-sanders-rally-seems-fake/

UPDATE: Acuna, who identifies as a Sanders supporter, shared with the Blade a statement he gave to other media outlets asserting the video is fake and he created it as a “social experiment.”

“I did this to prove how quick the internet is to chew something up, and believe anything they here going as far as to make comments about Bernie Sanders and saying that he is a homophobe, the video is fake, he obviously is not,” Acuna said. “Moral of the story? Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. Our integrity must be stronger than to vote for a man based off a video and stronger than to just accuse a man of being something he isn’t off of something you see on the internet just to use for your own political agenda.”

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. Not convinced. Only if I see a video of Mr. Acuna explaining it and then I will further

judge his body language as to whether or not he seems credible.

[pnwmom]

27. Okie dokie. Now I know what your problem is. You are a self-professed expert on body language.

[Cheese Sandwich]

28. You don't have to be an expert to read body language.

It's an instinctual part of human communication. We all do it all the time.

[pnwmom]

29. You probably aren't as good at that as you think.

Gender affects ability at body language reading.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3111255/

The outcome of the study indicates that gender affects accuracy rather than speed of body language reading. To the best of our knowledge, the present work delivers the first evidence for sex effects in body language reading. The gender effect, however, is modulated by the emotional content of actions. Females tend to excel in recognition accuracy of angry knocking, whereas males over-perform in recognition of happy actions. Furthermore, females clearly surpass males in recognition of emotionally neutral knocking. The lack of gender differences in error rate suggests that gender effects in recognition accuracy are not caused by gender-related bias.

[pkdu]

77. hey , when you drop "Math" as your major , you gotta pick sumtin'..... nt

[oberliner]

42. What do you think really happened here?

What is your alternate theory?

[Cheese Sandwich]

50. I have no idea. Honestly the whole thing is overblown.

It seems like Hillary has an army of people scanning the internet for any supposed "gaffe" by Bernie Sanders and when they find one they blast it out like some huge scandal on all their blogs and web forums, trying to get it picked up by the mainstream news, and sometimes it works.

When they got caught doing shitty journalism, or irresponsible blogging, then they had to find a way to blame that on Bernie Sanders supporters as well, so they published this alternate story about a "social experiment". Maybe it's true, maybe not, but they haven't presented much evidence.

It's like the flying chairs at the Nevada convention. Or like when Jonathan Capehart wrote in the Washington Post that a certain picture was not Bernie Sanders leading a sit in at the University of Chicago. Even after he was proven wrong he wouldn't admit it or apologize, and tried to pretend the issue was still a controversy. That guy is still treated as a serious journalist at the Post and on MSNBC.

Hillary's propagandists are very zealous. I think there is some element of competition among them to really land a body blow on Bernie. It leads them to publish quite a bit of false info. And like Hillary and like Bill Clinton, they will almost never apologize or admit to being wrong.

Did a Bernie Sanders supporter dub DMX music over a Bernie stage entrance video? It doesn't really matter. What matters is what this episode reveals about Hillary's overzealous propaganda artists, especially considering the overall pattern. And that's my theory.

[oberliner]

63. Fair enough

My theory is that someone made the video with the song as a joke, it got picked up by a low level source, then a bunch of more mainstream sources picked it up, then it was revealed to be a joke, then it was over.

[George II]

45. I'm sure you can find it, Mr. Cheese Sandwich.

[slipslidingaway]

17. "I did this to prove how quick the internet is to chew something up..."

and people here on DU were quick to pick up the hate.

Honestly this is a story of little consequence, whether it was to prove a point or a mistake, you only have to look at his record to know his position on the issue.

Now an unsecured private server which the State Dept could not access and could not search when FOIA requests were made years ago is a topic that should interest people.

[riversedge]

46. He seems to have a big selfish ego.

[Logical]

19. To show how many stupid hill supporters believe anything! Nt

[oberliner]

43. Bernie supporters believed it as well

It was a goof - people got fooled briefly - then it was admitted to be a joke.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. I sure as shit didn't because of reason and my abilty to see with my eyes.

There were may threads by Clinton supporters touting this here on DU, I called it an act of hate. Because that's what it was, the DUers who did that were exploitative bait mongers and many of that cohort joined in with them.

To believe that bullshit you'd have to be wanting to believe that bullshit. Eager to repeat it without inspection. Hot to bash and to gossip. It was all over DU. It was gay baiting meant to harm a Democratic candidate. Not one of them discussed it. The presented it as fact and taunted anyone who questioned the lie. Which is what they did with the 'Not Bernie in the photos' smears, the 'chairs and bottles were thrown smears' and so many others. It's a long litany of mendacity and fraudulent claims.

Downplay that all you want, the stench of it lingers in the air.

[vintx]

54. LOL no they didn't! Not a single one.

You should really stop. Just let it go.

If you're lucky there won't be another massive embarrassment on the scale of the chair-throwing lies, or the faked photo lies, or ... well you get the idea.

[oberliner]

60. Yes they did

Not a big deal, but some Sanders supporters responded to the original thread without questioning the validity of the video.

[Garrett78]

24. Can't be. It was Brock or the undefined "they" posters kept referring to.

Screw Occam's Razor, this is a grand conspiracy and "they" are behind it.

[itsrobert]

26. So the Bernie supporters were wrong again

for claiming it was a dirty trick from Hillary and her campaign. Shame.

[Live and Learn]

30. That made a lot more sense than your accusation that Bernie picked the song. nt

[itsrobert]

33. Never said that

nice try.

[Live and Learn]

34. What about your claim the Sander's campaign supplied the 'edited' version to ABC news? nt

[itsrobert]

35. The ABC version was supplied by the Sanders campaign

Nothing is in dispute there.

[Live and Learn]

59. And how would you know that? nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. Bernie did this?

Wow.

[bravenak]

32. It was a stupid thing to do and not helpful to his cause.

I do not believe the experiment angle. I think he was just trying to be cool.

[melman]

36. So it was bad when it was 'real'

And it's bad when it's fake. Either way it's just really, really bad.

[Rex]

37. False flag operation...fail...when failing means so much there is no other option.

https://www.youtube.com/user/failarmy

[oberliner]

44. False flag operation?

Can you elaborate on what you think happened here?

[Rex]

80. I think he was going to make a video and pretend to be a HRC supporter.

But got caught and them pretend it was some kind of social experiment.

[oberliner]

84. I don't think there was that much thought put into it

I think he just liked the song and thought it was cool to have it playing as Bernie entered. Nothing to do with homophobic content of the lyrics, just digging the vibe and the beat. There are several Bernie videos that have been edited in this way by fans. He had it up for a couple of days on YouTube before anyone noticed it. Then once it got picked up and spread around a bit on a few sources and social media, he came up with the idea to say it was a social experiment. I think it was neither a Hillary nor a Bernie campaign trick, but simply a young guy who put a rap song on a Bernie video.

What I think is the most telling component of this event is the fact that at least four major media outlets (BET, Billboard, The Root, Politico) ran this story as if it was true before doing any reporting or basic journalism.

[Rex]

90. That is a good point and SHAME on those that ran with the story without fact checking first.

As you know GD-P seems to like to be a fact free zone.

[Bread and Circus]

38. I didn't fall for it. It sounded ludicrous. I know yall are lookin' for the "Bernie...

Is a closet Klan member" moment to prove all of your smears true but I doubt that will come to pass.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. People sure did eat it up and it was an obvious fake job, not well done but how many on DU

touted it, how many bought it hook line and sinker, how many OP's and how many Hillary supporters agreeing with the OP's? Lots. It was gay baiting that was done here, not by who ever made the thing.

I don't necessarily believe this statement, but no matter who makes an assertion, those who accept and repeat it are then making that assertion themselves. Being easily duped into bigoted foolishness is nothing to boast about.
And of course, all who made that assertion on DU remain on DU in spite of their choice to gay bait on DU. They were not forced nor pressured to make those assertions. This is far from the fist time that cohort has picked up a lie and promulgated it, 'Not Bernie in those photos' 'Chairs and bottles were thrown' 'Reagan was an AIDS activist'. This latest crap is just yet another case of that cohort buying into transparent and toxic smears. Be it ignorance or willful action, either way is is an indictment of their ethics.

[Garrett78]

49. Most of the OPs were started by Sanders supporters refuting it.

Initially, a few people peddled the story (2 threads) and some Sanders supporters defended the alleged incident. After that, the board was dominated by threads (6 or more) about how the story was bogus (long after everyone had accepted that fact) and accusations that David Brock or some mysterious "they" was behind it.

That's what actually took place here at DU yesterday.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. That's false. It was dragged here and pushed hard. It had to be answered.

It would not have been on DU at all if it was not touted here as a fact. There were many threads and you can't blame people for calling out such a vile gay baiting lie. If it had not been believed and repeated on DU, we'd not be talking about it at all.
And this is not the first instance of this tactic. Photos, chairs, bottles. It's habitual behavior.
Look at the OP that started it all, note how many DU regulars are playing wing man for the OP and how others are openly touting the lie he has told them. It's not like that did not happen, not like it has not happened repeatedly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512074682
When I see the theme of the day is Fraudulent Gay Baiting I comment and leave knowing full well that the liars will be known to be liars shortly. That's also how it always works. So I did not follow the full dramas of this particular malicious bit of bating, there have been so many and I am sick of it.

If you are gullible enough to believe this, what do you expect out of Republicans and others in regard to manufactured obvious lies about Hillary or other Democrats? If you are this easy to dupe, you will be duped easily. The easily duped make rotten allies.

[Garrett78]

56. Yes, many threads, and almost all of them were disputing the bogus tale.

Click on that link in your post. What do you see? You see posters (most of whom are Sanders supporters) talking about how it was a mistake to play that song. The OP was hidden and there were at most 10 Clinton supporters posting in that thread. And the only other thread that originally peddled the story was one that was posted at the same time: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2074645. That thread had only 19 posts (again, mostly from Sanders supporters) and was off of page 1. It got resurrected after it broke that it was a Sanders supporter (not David Brock or the mysterious "they&quot who was behind the prank.

Every other thread was started by Sanders supporters to refute the bogus tale, and those threads were loaded with false accusations about who was behind the prank.

Sorry, but that's the reality of what took place here at DU yesterday. And it's quite instructive, actually.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. The toxic lie was brought here by 'Hillary supporters' and legitmized by other 'Hillary suporters'/

that's what matters. If you seriously want to claim that folks should be free to post lies and not have those lies meet a flood of opposition you should just say that. 'Why, they dared to object to filthy smears, and they did it more than once!'

Who started this on DU? Supporters of Hillary Clinton. Her cohort also built up the bullshit, look at that first OP about it, how many regular DU posters defend that OP, cheer for it? Many. Many many. And that is all that matters here.

If your cohort tells lies then shouts Amen to the lies, expect many threads about those lies. The alternative is to stop telling the lies. Stop eagerly believing every pernicious stranger that offers you some rhetorical candy.

But if you spread lies, expect strong push back. This is not the first lie of the cycle. 'That's not Bernie in those photos' and 'chairs were thrown' and 'Reagan was an AIDS activist'. All that mendacity is toxic.

I'd like it if this Party was not toxic. Think about that prior to exploiting minority issues with such self certain glee the next time, how's that?

[Garrett78]

89. I detailed precisely what happened in GDP regarding that bogus tale.

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512080482. Feel free to try and disprove any of that. There were only 2 threads peddling the story with about a dozen Clinton supporters commenting on it. Every other thread on the topic (7, I believe) was started by a Sanders supporter to refute the bogus story.

There were more Sanders supporters claiming David Brock or another Clinton surrogate was behind the prank than there were Clinton supporters peddling the story.

Your perception and your narrative simply don't match reality. I say that as someone who isn't a big fan of either Clinton or Sanders.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. In the link I posted you can see the OP of this thread in high fury about a song that never played.

Today, the OP offers yet another narrative and expects everyone to forget yesterday's words. But not this time. Not after the photos, the chairs, the bottles and the Reagan lies. I've had it with these tactics, it's unethical, it's McCarthyist and it needs to end.

This shit was posted on DU by Hillary supporting Bernie Bashers and it was embraced instantly by many many DU regulars who also volunteered to defend the Basher against those who spoke the truth.

I'm not going to forget what people did just so they can be free to do it again next week. Sorry.

[vintx]

57. You'd think after the 'faked' photos, the Reagan lies, the chairs, etc that her supporters would

stop repeating everything immediately without employing at least a modicum of critical thought.

[Number23]

73. Exactly. I thought this whole story was incredibly dumb but GDP had at least 5 OPs on this and ALL

but one of them were from Sanders supporters screaming that this was part of Clinton's dirty tricks or from the BoogeyBrockMan.

Now they are -- predictably -- trying to pretend that it was Hillary supporters who took this story and ran with it. If nothing else, that man's campaign is definitely good for an apparently unending source of hypocritical and hilarious entertainment.

[jonmac511]

58. yeah, no!

I'm surprised how, now that it's being reported the person who posted the dubbed video is a Bernie supporter, he is being completely taken at his word by Secretary Clinton's supporters. Hasn't his word been negatively effected by posting his version of it? I try and imagine the response if he sent out a press release saying he was a Clinton supporter. They would, instantly, call him a liar. His releasing of the misleading video would, justifiably, be enough evidence to make them question his press release. Since he has claimed to be a supporter of Senator Sanders, his word is now gold. Funny how that seems to be working out.

I don't know who this knucklehead supports, or even if he can figure out how and where to vote, but that is really irrelevant when weighing his trustworthiness. Maybe y'all think Bernie's supporters never lie so you trust them without question but I find that hard to believe.

[pnwmom]

65. Oh yeah, that's it.

He went into deep undercover as a fake Bernie supporter, tweeting out hundreds of pro-Bernie tweets, just so he could put out a video overlapped with the rap song and then, when caught, identify himself as a Bernie supporter.

[Number23]

72. Is this a #berniesocialexperiment along the same lines as #berniemath?

Incredibly stupid, totally wrong, completely unnecessary and makes no sense but as long as Sanders supporters can try to pretend that it somehow makes their candidate look good and/or electable, it was for the "greater cause"?

[Number23]

69. No one that has even CASUALLY observed the unmitigated train wreck of this man's campaign would be

surprised by this.

I think this is probably one of the most inane and boring stories out of this entire primary and I'm still not surprised that a Sanders supporter did this, many of whom have proven to be excruciatingly tone deaf. Also not surprised by the overheated responses from other supporters screaming that this was "dirty tricks" from the Clinton campaign.

The woman could not make it more clear that she already considers Sanders an afterthought. And why would she need to try to sabotage him when his supporters are doing that so spectacularly for her?

[Warren DeMontague]

71. Actually, I'm not surprised that Hillary supporters ran with the thing.

The person made their point.

[pnwmom]

74. Just as many Bernie supporters took it seriously, and many were accusing Hillary people

of being behind it.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. So we're all silly.

Scrambling to get prime deck chair space on the Titanic.

[Bluenorthwest]

86. You took it seriously, I did not. Who spread that obvious lie here on DU? People who say they

are Hillary supporters. That's why that material was here. Who agreed with it here? You and lots of others and that caused it to become a big DU drama. What if a few Hillary supporters had bothered to look at the thing and joined those of us who said it was faked up? Instead what they did, what you did, was chide those of us who said it was fake, the OP who dragged it here refused to take it down once it was a known fake and continued to demand that Bernie apologize for it, those of you in that poster's cohort did not correct that poster. You all let him rant on and on until a jury hide his tripe. You were in that thread. You supported the OP who was spreading falsehoods on DU.

Now of course it's the cohort that said 'it's not Bernie in those photos' when it was. The same crowd that said 'chairs and bottles were thrown' when they were not. So the motive of the person who did the video is in my view uncertain and also fully beside the DU point, which is that DU posters dragged it here and spread it like exploitative manure for their own pleasure and in hopes of helping Hillary, who would actually find all of this to be vulgar and repellent. She's not like this. But her supporters tend to be.

[eastwestdem]

75. I don't care how it came about...it has been very useful for swaying undecided voters here in CA!

Luckily, I know nothing about the origins, so can honestly tell people while I canvass...look at the song Bernie chose to have at his rally this week. Disgusting.

[JCanete]

88. Wow, I hope you're joking. Otherwise that's pretty cynical to do based on a fabrication, but how

very Hillary of you.

[B Calm]

83. Just another divisive OP from a Clinton supporter.

[Nye Bevan]

85. So "beware of Sanders supporters posting faked stuff on the internet"

would seem to be the moral of this story.