Hillary: "Iraqis given the greatest gift that a human being can give another-the gift of freedom"

[Bonobo]

Rec this if you feel physically nauseated by this statement and cannot believe that it did not come from a Republican.

[akbacchus_BC]

1. Did Mrs. Clinton actually say that? I have never heard that before!

[akbacchus_BC]

6. Well my Internet DU friend, never heard that from Mrs. Clinton.

She was really riled when Senator Obama got the nomination, however, he gave her the SOS position and she served well. She is not a neocon, she just has an attitude problem and a lot of baggage. That does not make her un-presidential, Trump, however is a fiasco.

It is always a lesser of two evils, Mr. Sanders will not get the nomination but he will be influential in pulling Mrs. Clinton to be less centric.

[leveymg]

30. Madam Secretary, what you gave the Iraqi people was the gift of ISIS.

That was also your gift to the world, and it's a gift that keeps on giving. Thank you for your generosity.

[akbacchus_BC]

37. Gosh, you nailed it. If only the invasion of Iraq did not occur, we

would not have the quagmire we have right now. America needs to leave sovereign countries alone.

And I now beg the question, why did the US did not intervene in the slaughter in Rwanda? Was it because an African country has nothing to offer?

[leveymg]

40. You nailed it about Rwanda.

America makes exceptions in its exceptional generosity. That was one of them.

[akbacchus_BC]

42. See what I mean, America only intervenes when it suits its interests, which is pitiful!

Am not saying that America is not good but its transgressions in sovereign countries is outrageous.

[bemildred]

48. The problem is we intervene by habit, without thought, for the wrong reasons.

That's the problem.

[Art_from_Ark]

73. I don't think there was a lot that US intervention could have done in Rwanda

It was already an on-going quagmire

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/africa-july-dec99-rwanda_10-08/

[lindysalsagal]

61. Ever hear of Rwandan oil?

Me, neither.

[polly7]

53. She served well? You don't even consider the suffering she caused by her actions

in Libya, Honduras, Syria, Ukraine, Haiti??

[Rhiannon12866]

3. Wow! Congratulations on 5000 posts!

Just noticed that, didn't want you to miss it!

[akbacchus_BC]

8. I did not realise I reached 5000 posts. Thanks for noticing

[Rhiannon12866]

9. I figured you didn't notice, I never do either

But since I noticed - and it was exactly 5000 - I thought I'd point it out. Congratulations!

[akbacchus_BC]

11. Thank you!

[Rhiannon12866]

12. I don't know if you remember DUer newyawker99

She used to regularly post Milestone threads, congratulating DUers who reached 100s or 1000s. Unfortunately, she isn't around anymore, loved her congratulatory threads, so I thought I'd make a point of congratulating you...

[akbacchus_BC]

15. I've seen posts from newyawker99, There are a lot of DUers whom

I do not see on here, like SYCSKP (could be wrong with the handle). Good for you taking up the mantle of congratulating DUers on their milestones. Much appreciated. You are one of the nicest DUers on here. Keep up the good work.

[Rhiannon12866]

18. I know who you mean

And I miss him, too, another of my favorite DUers. I've always wondered how newyawker99 was able to find all the DUers with milestones. but she did a good job. I have no method of noticing, but I make it a point of recognizing a milestone if I see one - in honor of her. She welcomed me to DU in my very first post! And thanks for the compliment! Here's to 5000 more!

[akbacchus_BC]

23. Thank you so much for persevering on here. My first advocate who defended

me was NYC. Have no idea why he/she got banned. Many DUers are really nice on here, they are real and are really supportive. Thank you for being here!

[Rhiannon12866]

32. I've stepped away once or twice, but I always come back. DU's been my online home online since 2003

I have history here and I've learned history here - and more about politics than most anyone I know - except for the people here. I came late to politics, but I'm in New York and 9/11 woke me up. I joined DU shortly before the Iraq War and I've come here for my news - and to understand it - ever since. And we sure have exceptional people here, the depth of knowledge and timely news coverage is amazing. And the people are also among the most generous you could hope to know.

And I was a DU.2 mod with NYC_SKP and considered him a special friend, too.

[dreamnightwind]

38. He (NYC_SKP) was banned for going along with a troll's bad joke

He was playing with the troll, made a "cunning stunt" reference which had some relevance to something the troll was posting, and was permanently banned for it. Not entirely innocent, not entirely guilty, so IMHO a hide would have been appropriate, but was banned.

He still posts on the Jackpine Radicals site if I am not mistaken.

[akbacchus_BC]

44. Thank you Dream. I really liked NYC. I had no idea

he was on another site. I liked that person Jackpine. I will check out that site.

[dreamnightwind]

45. You're quite welcome

JPR is good people. The site is not as visually nice as DU, but there is no mandate to support corporatists.

One trick there is to change the Display drop-down from the default (I think the default is Linear) to Hybrid, which lets you see all posts in a thread expanded, and also lets you see which posts are replying to which. Not perfect, but it helps. They have a nice feature of allowing people to "thank" others for individual posts. Mostly though they just have their hearts in the right place, see you there.

[SusanCalvin]

54. Hey, thanks for the format tip!

[dreamnightwind]

68. You're welcome - eom

[Bonobo]

4. Here is the full quote:

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/30/1455533/--Iraqis-Were-Given-the-Greatest-Gift

[Rex]

5. Treasure?

I still await the day when I see our armed forces and military professionals treated like treasure. And people thought maybe things would get better after Vietnam. Wrong.

[akbacchus_BC]

10. Wow, that is mind boggling! So, if she is so vicious, why are people of colour voting for her!

Just asking! Are the Republicans so distrustful that only a Democrat will save America and her values?

[Fumesucker]

13. Do you agree with Hillary that George Bush gave the people of Iraq the greatest gift?

Personally I think it's amazingly self serving bullshit.

[akbacchus_BC]

17. Are you kidding me? She voted for that quagmire in Iraq and I never

could understand why the hell President Obama elected her as Secretary of State! Who the hell told him to do that was wrong. She is now running on President Obama's coatails and she is not electable in 2008 nor in 2016. The woman is tenacious and I do not understand her quest to get back into the White House.

[akbacchus_BC]

21. Who could ever forget Bill Clinton appearing on Arsenio Hall show!

People of colour thought Bill Clinton was on their side. No, he was not!

[akbacchus_BC]

31. Touche! He introduced three strikes you are out!

Cut social security. Introduced DOMA and DADT. Bill Clinton was worst than Regan as far as I can remember.

I still cannot comprehend how people of colour are behind Hilary Clinton. She was in the White House, tried for medicare, never got anywhere and why do you all think she will represent you?

[akbacchus_BC]

39. And now she says, it cannot be done. At least Mr. Sanders is advocating for medicare for all.

Mrs. Clinton, not so much. How come you all do not realise that she is supporting big bankers and the pharmacy industry.

[tazkcmo]

50. what?

You do know this is a Democratic site? You also do understand it was a Republican president that started all this shit? So, in a word, yes, we here at DU most certainly would generally agree that Democrats are most suited to "save America and her values".

As for why people of color are voting for her, I'm a privileged white guy (Not being sarcastic, I agree white privilege exists) so I'm not going to speak for them as they are more than capable of doing that for themselves. What ever their reasons, it's doubtful that the "success" of the Iraq war in delivering the Iraqi people Freedom was one of them.

[burrowowl]

7. K&R

[Recursion]

19. Funny how this entire thread gets the point of that quote backwards

She not saying "we did something good", she snidely saying "we made an immense shit sandwich and we're going to leave it to the Iraqis to deal with."

[Fumesucker]

25. Most of us realize she's being sardonic, snide or whatever you want to call it, breathtakingly so

It would go down a lot smoother if she had not been fooled by Dubya in the first place.

There is a part of me that does not want Hillary in the Presidency because it cannot believe that she was in fact fooled by Dubya, it has more respect for her intelligence than that.

Every now and then when Hillary's name comes up I wonder how often she kicks herself over the Iraq War, if she had opposed Bush on the IWR I think she would be finishing up her second term now.

[reddread]

28. she was never fooled.

thats like saying GW was elected.
and that GW fooled Bill Clinton.

[akbacchus_BC]

29. If only she did not sided with Bush in invading Iraq, she had a chance of being elected. How could a

woman with a child sided with that invasion, children got killed and girls got raped. Hilary is not presidential then nor is now. She has too many baggage!

Plus she lies all the time, her emails, Bosnia, etc. She is like trump, both are effing ruthless in order to get elected.

I support Mr. Sanders for the nomination.

[leveymg]

33. I don't believe she was being snarky. She never learns, just doubles down

finding a new basis to justify her errors and intentional deceptions, alike.

[SusanCalvin]

55. It's bad either way. nt

[leveymg]

60. This is just getting worse for her.

I hope for her sake as well as the Democratic Party and the rest of the world that she has agreed to orderly succession and we are seeing that playing itself out.

[slipslidingaway]

20. We should be ashamed of what we have done to that nation and their people ...

instead Clinton proclaimed 'Iraq is open for business' while 4 million people were displaced.

We need to stop, look and listen to what has been unfolding and see the repercussions, not only abroad but in our own country.

Those who did not have the riches to flee have been stuck in a conflict zone for almost a generation, we see what this has done to our soldiers which are often times ignored, but we pay even less attention to those in the countries where we bring regime change. Just as in New Orleans before Katrina, those that had the means to vacate beforehand did so, those who did not were stuck in the stadium and convention center.

There has been much discussion on DU that Sanders has not done enough for people of color because he focuses too much economic equality and not enough on racial equality. Money does not buy everything, but it can buy people a choice.

During Katrina an American friend living in Australia was asked why are the majority of people trapped in New Orleans people of color?
She simply said because they are poor and had no place else to go. They watched the people at the convention center on television and wondered why so many people of color remained behind. Why did they not leave as the hurricane approached!

Raising up all people economically can help to accelerate racial equality, Sanders understands that you cannot easily separate the two, if you have more money you have more choices, that is a simple fact.

This is not rocket science, there is nothing complex about understanding that when people have no hope, no matter the color of their skin, they will revolt. Like it or not Trump has tapped into a segment of the population who feel oppressed, personally I feel he is leading them over a cliff, but the Dem party is not offering much hope with Clinton and they have tried to marginalize Sanders from the start.

In summary we need to treat people fairly whether it be in Iraq or here, we certainly have made a mess that we will have to live with for years to come, just as the people in Iraq have been doing.

I remember reading a quote by an Iraqi many years ago in which he stated 'today will be better than tomorrow.'

How sad, and accurate, his feelings were at that time, but how true they are looking back at the last 14 years.

[akbacchus_BC]

22. Honestly, I never thought that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11. It was orchestrated

to invade Iraq and look at what the quagmire the US has caused in the Middle East. Most importantly, the lives of many soldiers from the US. Looking back, if only Powell and Rice had stood up, this Syria refugee crisis would not have happened.

[LibDemAlways]

36. The PNACers spelled it out back in the 90's. They wanted a

New American Century starting with regime change in Iraq. They recognized that in order to do it, they'd need something akin to a "new Pearl Harbor." No coincidence that they got their wish within a year of GWB's ascension to power. They had sent a letter to Clinton back in 1998 urging him to invade Iraq, and, apparently, he ignored it. Once they had their puppet installed, they made quick work of it.

This shit isn't some crazy conspiracy theory. It's a story that to this day has never been covered in our worthless excuse for a press, even though a simple Google search would have turned up the evidence.

[akbacchus_BC]

41. Amazing that you mentioned Pearl Harbour. Remember George Bush said that America needed

another Pearl Harbour! I cannot remember the context right now but it was prior to 9-11!

[vintx]

58. Bush didn't say that. It was in this report:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130817122719/http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Look at the names of the project co-chairmen. One of the names is Donald Kagan.

[slipslidingaway]

43. Me neither as did many people, we have created mayhem, people in Iraq fled to Syria and are now ...

fleeing again

Do you think we might have caused some people to think differently of our country, when Bush asked why do they hate us should we maybe have taken a look at our policies?

We need to stop screwing up and Clinton, imho, will just continue the policies of Bush.

Too many Dems are complicit, I was watching the stock market in late 90's early 2000 and really only paid more attention to politics because the market moved on important votes and issues.

After the tech crash of the late 1999/early 2000 the market was in a decline until, the exact date of the IWR, forget if it was 10/10 or 10/11 of 2002. That was it, the bottom, until the real estate top in late 2007, although the real estate stocks began to decline in 2005, but I was reading about the coming RE bubble in 2003! So when Obama and his financial advisors came on board and said 'if only we had known' I knew they were either clueless or lying. The correlation between markets and politics is interesting, but 99% are not that attuned to the markets.

[bjo59]

26. Saw the title of this thread and felt immediately nauseated.

I immediately experienced my throat constrict and a sour taste flood my mouth. I will never, ever vote for Hillary Clinton and if she becomes president I will conduct my life in such a way that she does not exist for me. The casual killing, maiming, and immiseration of people, all for a feeling of power and the almighty buck is corruption of the soul in my opinion and utterly nauseating. I didn't rec because I, in fact, can believe that it didn't come from a Republican. Democrat and Republican have become fairly meaningless words at this point. I think they mean nothing to the people in power - simply a distraction for the little people so they don't notice the corporate totalitarianism.

[akbacchus_BC]

34. bjo, as much as you feel so inclined to not support Mrs. Clinton, America would

be worst off if Trump gets elected as President. It is always a lesser of two evils these days, however, Mrs. Clinton will be a better President than Trump. Mr. Sanders does not stand a chance, the super delegates have already endorsed Mrs. Clinton.

Americans have got to understand that Trump is not a viable person.

[arikara]

74. We know Clinton is a warmonger

We don't know what Trump is.

What is better, known knowns, or unknown unknowns. Kinda paraphrasing old Rummy there but I really don't know the answer to that. I'm just glad I'm Canadian and don't have that decision to make. Ours turned out okay this time, I have my fingers crossed for you. I think Bernie still has a good chance.

[reddread]

27. we came, they died, she saw

she bears considerable responsibility.

[B Calm]

46. Not all Iraqis, a lot of them are dead. I thought the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia.

[Sky Masterson]

47. But Freedom.

[Doctor_J]

51. A shame that Sanders didn't bring up this and her other revolting quotes as part of the campaign

He's not nasty enough to get the nomination

[vintx]

59. Yep, he could have. And if she's our nominee, you can bet your ass Trump will. nt

[mymomwasright]

52. I've been to that suck 4 times!

I've said it from the "get-go". "Democracy and freedom are not 'given'. The people have to take it!"

[vintx]

56. She's a fucking unmitigated disaster for this party.

But hey, if the DNC wants to end the Democratic party, they have for damn sure hitched their wagon to the right horse.

[Octafish]

57. Had to kill millions in the process, but what the heck do you think this is?

A democracy?

"We think the price was worth it."

http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

[cui bono]

62. It did come from a Republican.

If you look at policy stances that's what Hillary is. Just like Obama and he admitted it.

.

[PowerToThePeople]

63. The gift of freedom.

[melman]

64. Wow

That's bad.

[hobbit709]

65. Freedom from living.

[JEB]

66. Death is the ultimate freedom.

[Teamster Jeff]

67. .

[Scootaloo]

69. None of her supporters care, though

I have never seen a political movement get so far on not giving a fuck about anything.

[Cheese Sandwich]

70. OMG how horrible. That's actually a disgusting comment.

Actually I do believe it came from a Democrat. To be honest the Democratic establishment has always been like that. After all the Democrats are overwhelmingly voting for Hillary STILL, so it must not bother them too much.

[Bonobo]

71. When I said it sickened me, I was not being facetious. nt

[jwirr]

72. If what they have over there is freedom I do not want freedom.