Top dems worried about Clinton's ability to effectively fight Trump

[cali]

Democrats could hardly believe their good fortune last month when it became clear that Hillary Clinton was headed to a general election showdown with Donald J. Trump. Mr. Trump carried so much baggage and had insulted so many voting blocs that some Clinton supporters began to imagine a landslide.

But early optimism that this would be an easy race is evaporating. In the corridors of Congress, on airplane shuttles between New York and Washington, at donor gatherings and on conference calls, anxiety is spreading through the Democratic Party that Mrs. Clinton is struggling to find her footing.

<snip>

But it is the campaign’s approach to Mr. Trump that is making even Mrs. Clinton’s most loyal supporters uneasy.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York is concerned that she lacks a comprehensive strategy to confront Mr. Trump, and has told Democrats that the Clinton campaign must bring on a senior staff member dedicated only to the Trump portfolio.

<snip>
During a conference call this month, high-profile female supporters pressed Mrs. Clinton’s advisers about her message — which has as a slogan “Breaking Down Barriers” — and whether it needs to shift for the general election. “The message will be broadening,” Karen Finney, a senior adviser, explained, according to a transcript of the call obtained by The New York Times. “But,” she added, leaving some participants perplexed, “breaking down barriers and unity will continue to be part of the theme because Hillary believes we need to come together as a country in many ways.”

Debates have broken out in Mrs. Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters over the best approach to take. Some advisers worry that by running against Mr. Trump as she would a traditional Republican candidate, Mrs. Clinton is actually making the reality-television star appear more legitimate.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html

[silvershadow]

1. It's a little late to be bringing this up now.

[Sky Masterson]

2. Snatching defeat from the Jaws of Victory!

This is what the Democrats are trying to do with the Clinton Rehash.

[RogueTrooper]

6. But didn't Bill win?

[Sky Masterson]

7. Thanks to Ross Perot

And even though Hillary shares Bills last name she is no Bill on the stump.
But if believing she is a shoe in in the General helps you sleep I say run with it.

[RogueTrooper]

13. You can't run when you are sleeping - except when you are mixing metaphors

I don't think it will be s shoe-in; I think it will be an extremely hard fight.

Perot did not do as much as thought; this was just right wing nonsense to diligatmize an election result which did not go their way. If the Democrats win this cycle they will say it was bacause of the votes give to the Libertairian.

[Sky Masterson]

15. You are more at ease with the risk of a loss than I am.

Which is why Clinton is the very worst candidate we could have chosen this cycle.

[RogueTrooper]

16. No, Sanders would have been worse

He's never been put under the pressure of a full frontal Republican assault.

[Sky Masterson]

18. I strongly disagree with your hypothesis.

People vote for who they like and who inspires them.
Her likeability is in the shitter and she inspires no one whereas Bernie beats her in both Inspiration and likeability.
Trust me. Likeability matters. Kerry wasn't, Gore wasn't, Bill was,Obama was,Hillary isn't.
Hey, I want to win too. I just believe that she can't win.

[RogueTrooper]

19. likablility is a fair argument.

I think she is a warmer personality that you are giving her credit. I would say that Sander's isn't particulalry likable either: There is a solid history of people not leaving Sander's company absent positive feelings.

[Baobab]

94. They have it all under control

[tazkcmo]

31. Sen Sanders has lost more elections

Than Sec Clinton has been in. He has also faced more GOP challengers, and won, than Sec Clinton. My point is, Sen Sanders has and can take on any Republican toe to toe and beat her/him in a nation wide election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Bernie_Sanders

I'm not saying he's undefeated and most of his defeats came early as in the 70's but not all. How ever, strictly addressing your claim that he's never been under pressure from a full Republican assault is not true. I will grant that no other Democrat in recent memory has endured more RW smears and attacks than Sec Clinton. I will also grant that no other politician of any stripe, nationality, sex, color, height, weight or zodiac sign is more hated by the GOP than Sec Clinton.Not even Bill. Just another reason not to nominate her.

[Baobab]

95. two elections

You're negating that Bernie is extremely popular with vermont residents, and he has consistently gotten votes from Republicans as well as Democrats.

he's a bridge builder, Hillary is divisive..

[Exilednight]

21. Bill only received 43% of the vote, and still managed to win since

Perot managed just umder 20% of the vote. Bush received a smidge over 37% of the vote. Most of those Perot votes would have gone to Bush. And Bill would have lost.

[JDPriestly]

41. Perot took votes from the Republicans allowing Clinton to win in 1992.

Those of us who were old enough to vote in that election remember that well.

Unfortunately we who supported Clinton did not realize how the trade agreements like NAFTA would continue the destruction of our unions and harm our economy and country.

And now we have the Hillary phenomenon. Once again Democrats may be going ffor the Wall Street promise that trade agreements will "grow" our economy.

Personally, I have had it with the trade agreements. We can have free trade without the agreements.


These trade agreements set rules for trade that make the whole world LESS free in every respect and result in fewer jobs in the US and more wealth disparity.

Fools vote for Hillary and the trade agreements.

Where are the transcripts of Hillary's speeches to Wall Street?

I want to know what Hillary said to her friends on Wall Street about trade and trade agreements. I want to know what she said to them about the rights of American woring people.

Feel the Bern!

Perot was the key to Clinton's election in 1992. He took just enough votes from Republicans and scared enough Democrats into voting to make the difference.

[libdem4life]

52. There are reports that she is courting Republican donors.

It doesn't take a 3 digit IQ to figure out what those speeches were for and why they were NOT forthcoming.

[pmorlan1]

54. Like when Democrats

blamed Nader?

[2banon]

69. if memory serves..

just barely, and that was because Ross Perot pretty much split the republican vote as the prevailing thought at the time.

He had The Big Vacuum on Jobs to China and Mexico charts and it resonated enough, rightfully so.

He knew NAFTA was in the works but it was barely mentioned in the media until after Clinton took office. Yeah, Bush Sr tried to soften us up for it with the One World Order speech but a lot of us hadn't realized it was already getting set in stone with a treaty which already had buy in from Third Way (Clinton) and Republican parties.

Farmers were very aware and put on mass protest, but the rest of the people, were pretty much blindsided by it.

People are now painfully aware after the fact, as is always the case with these cretin politicians and their greedy agendas.

[CorporatistNation]

85. How Does THIS Help Some May Ask? Not A Soul To Blame But Hillary Herself!

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. Hillary does not match up optimally against Trump. That was always clear

Just for starters she allows him to be the anti-establishment candidate this year, which plays to his advantage. Hillary is sane and Trump isn't, she has that at least going for her, but Trump now represents one of the two major political parties and that transfers a surface veneer of sanity onto him for many voters.

[ReRe]

4. I find it a bit pompous...

...for the Clinton team to even be thinking about Trump. She's not even the presumptive nominee yet. Maybe it's to keep her spirits up? She may very well be the nominee in the end, but the Primary isn't over until it's over. We may not know until the Convention WHO our nominee is going to be.

[Amimnoch]

48. Fair enough, I find it a bit pompous..

.. For the Sanders team to use GE election polling as cause celebre when the Republicans are the only ones who have a nominee that is campaigning for the GE now.

[ReRe]

50. Will the Libertarians save her?

That looks like the only way a Hillary candidate can win in November. No doubt, a Democratic Candidate must win in November, or this country is toast.

Go Bernie!

[Amimnoch]

67. No, when she starts campaigning against trump her numbers will go up.

Just like they were before the primary campaign brought them down.

LOL, you crash the car, then complain it's damaged.

Notice when that popularty shift starts to happen? Hmm, what could have been starting up at that time?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Go Hillary!

[ReRe]

73. Oh, you sly young tongue...

... forked tongue, i.e., as you lost me in the car wreck line.

I wish you well and no harm. I wish the best for my country, including the defeat of the evil one. I hope that we will be able to unite at the convention, regardless of who ends up being our candidate. Agree?

Go Bernie!

[Amimnoch]

86. Here here :)

If she wins, personally, I'd love to see her name Bernie as her Secretary of the Treasury, and set him loose.

We most definitely do agree.

[glowing]

5. The problem is that he's already coined her "Crooked Hillary".

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It's not like "Crazy Bernie"; where that name can be flipped and owned by Bernie and Internet meme's... You can't flip "crooked". She already has many people questioning her honesty. And right or wrong, she's been pummeled by Benghazi and now e-mails.... In which, the press is finally catching onto the fact that they have been lied to about the e-mail issue.

What will happen is low voter turn out because of disgust in the process. When there is low turn out, Democrats lose. Look at the past couple of mid-term elections. The Republicans will come out to vote. And then, we say, "Hello, President Trump".

[IdaBriggs]

12. And it reminds everyone of Nixon. They already have cartoons about it.

I know the last one isn't Nixon, but it is funny.

[EL34x4]

27. The first cartoon is Bill wagging his finger

"I did not have sex..."

[IdaBriggs]

43. Oops! My bad! There were LOTS of Bill cartoons.

Sorry!

[BlueStateLib]

93. clinton lawyer david kendall was the one sorted and deleted her emails

[vintx]

38. We haven't even seen the start of it.

I'm sure the GOP and Trump's campaign staff have an entire team working on all the ways they can attack her. Lies, not taking security seriously, her business with using Blumenthal (who Obama bannded) and all the stuff with the Clinton Foundation, etc etc etc

If she is nominated this is going to get very, very ugly.

[glowing]

49. Not to mention, I'm sure someone in the GOP has those speeches from Goldman or any of the

other corporations she spoke with in between SoS and "officially" running for President. Seriously, how in the world did she think that it would make any sense at all to take on paid speaking engagements at top industry, banking, and other Wall St corporations? Its not like she's an Ex-President like other "ex's"... AND even Pres Clinton continuing on with paid speaking engagements and working closely with the NGO will be seen as a huge conflict of interest for many voters.... There's already reports surfacing from the e-mails that are being disclosed to the public now, where it seems there may be some collusion between the Foundation receiving donations and the State Dept authorizing favorable arms contracts. How many people even knew that Bill Clinton was in Libya around the same time Ghadaffi was taken out? Or that the state minister, opposition to Ghadaffi in Libya, donated a large sum of money to the Foundation?

All of this is stinky, looks an awful lot like bribery, and fits in with Donald's meme of "Crooked".

[Miles Archer]

58. The Karl Rove "I was for it before I was against it" moment

MSNBC had a discussion after Kerry's run about Karl Rove's "war room."

The TV was playing the "I was for it before I was against" it sound bite and it became the "ah-ha" moment. Supposedly, heads slowly rose from cubicles and people looked around the room at each other, nodding heads with winning smirks.

The Clinton supporters on DU who post daily "LOL" and "Sanders lost, get over it" posts fail to recognize one little detail.

Trump is not going to show or play his hand until he is assured that it will inflict the greatest possible damage.

If he were to show all of his cards right now, Team Clinton could scramble around and assemble a defensive strategy.

But that's not how Trump fights dirty. Anyone who thinks he's going to give it up now hasn't been paying attention.

And they will turn over every rock looking for Clinton's "I was before it before I was against it" moment, and if they don't find one that they feel will deliver a fatal blow, they'll just make one up.

Remember Rove's robo-calls to the deep South about McCain's "illegitimate black baby?"

And when it comes to things like the Clinton Foundation, if Trump confronts her and demands full disclosure and Clinton rolls her eyes and huffs and puffs and shows that "Fuck you, I'm not even going to answer that" attitude, it will only create more suspicion and distrust in the minds of the voters.

That, and the fact that she can make demands of Trump, and he can say "Fuck you," and get away with it, because that's his game...his supporters actually admire that. What is a liability for Clinton is an asset for Trump.

Yelling and finger pointing is not going to change the "favorable" numbers. Trump can get away with his shit. Clinton can't.

[vintx]

59. Yep - he's courting voters who respond favorably to that kind of crap.

She *should be* courting progressive voters, but she's going to move further right in the GE, and that simply will not get her enough votes to beat him.

The writing has been on the wall from day 1.

[imari362]

88. ..."they'll just make one up."

Trump is expert at that.....
"thousands of Muslims in NJ cheering the fall of the Twin Towers on 911"

That's the type bullfarts that will come out of his mouth that gets the crowds cheering and voting for him, the will repeat and swear to it being the truth, it will go viral on the internet, the media will be playing catch-up as they won't report or debunk it right away and the HRC camp/supporters will be full force denying the bs, as seen in the Republican primaries Trump will have made another stink when the smell of the last one has barely faded.

Then we all must remember that Trump knows for more about Hillary and Bill for that matter with them being friends enough to get an invite to his latest wedding.
He's made donations to her Senate campaign and we all know what he said about giving to any candidate ....."When they call, I give. And you know what, when I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them...."

[B Calm]

8. She can beat Trump handily, all she needs to do is

win over Bernie voters. I don't see her doing that.

[Carolina]

10. That ain't gonna happen

She's the antithesis of Bernie. She's corporate-owned, pro war/regime change, pro TPP and other such trade deals, pro fracking... and a consummate liar

No way I will ever vote for her

[Nyan]

34. ...and you won't.

She'd rather crash and burn over time than reach out to Bernie supporters, because of her ego. And her donors won't let her adopt Bernie's platform anyway.

[Miles Archer]

62. Never in a million years. Did you see this article?

Sanders Says It’s Clinton’s Responsibility To Bring His Supporters Into The Fold
“That is the candidate’s job to do.”
05/29/2016 09:43 am ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-supporters_us_574ae6a3e4b03ede441510c0



Ending a presidential primary is often a bitter affair. But with rare exceptions, the party’s factions usually come together. That seems likely to be the case again this year with the Democrats, even as the contest drags out longer — and grows a bit more contentious — than many party members find comfortable.

On Sunday morning, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) reiterated his long-standing commitment to defeating Donald Trump in the fall, whether he is the nominee or Hillary Clinton gets that honor. But while not conceding defeat, he notably added that the responsibility for bringing his disaffected supporters into the fold – should he lose – doesn’t rest solely or even primarily with him.

CHUCK TODD: Last week with me, Secretary Clinton said when it comes to party unity, she’s doing her part, she’s going to do her part. But that there is a responsibility that falls on you as well. If she’s the nominee, that you have a responsibility to do what it takes to bring your supporters on board with her. Do you accept that responsibility?

BERNIE SANDERS: ...at the end of the day, whether it’s Secretary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, anybody else, the way you gain support is through the candidate himself or herself. So my job is to make sure that Trump does not become president. And I will do that. But if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, it is her job to reach out to millions of people and make the case as to why she is going to defend working families and the middle class, provide health care for all people, take on Wall Street, deal aggressively with climate change. That is the candidate’s job to do.

[B Calm]

63. So how is she going to make her case

as to why she is going to start defending working families and the middle class, provide health care for all people, take on Wall Street, deal aggressively with climate change? That is the candidate’s job to do, so you think she'll make a left turn?

Me neither.

[Miles Archer]

65. I don't see her changing.

A big part of that is that she's hired MSNBC's Karen Finney as her "strategic communications adviser and senior spokesperson," and she's taking a 100% "stay the course" approach.

My guess...and I could be wrong...is that Clinton is going to have to become a whole lot more Sanders and a whole lot less Clinton in order for Bernie to make any kind of overt support gesture. I believe he is grateful for his supporters. To "encourage" or "instruct" them to throw their support behind Clinton weakens the platform he's been promoting.

I mean, how the hell could he...in good conscience...make it an objective to take on Wall Street, lose the nomination, and send his people to Clinton?

He wouldn't.

When he's talking about being committed to beating Trump, he still has his eye on the convention...make no mistake about it. If his way of defeating Trump was to support Clinton, he would have said that in no uncertain terms TODAY in that interview.

[Cobalt Violet]

9. and they're just now worried about this.

They shouldn't have ever assumed a candidate with her negatives would be able to win the general.

[MrMickeysMom]

11. One way to assess that is to continue to assess the "negatives"...

They seem to be growing.

Drumpf has already coined "crooked" along with untrustworthy or something of the same effect.

And she doesn't seem to get the hang of how to counter. It's only going to get worse with her lack of transparency on transcripts, The Clinton Foundation connection to campaign money laundering and flipping to whatever Sander's has been saying to "win us over".

[Demsrule86]

14. Always ...

unnamed...the so called top Dems that go on Fox no doubt.

[pinebox]

30. So called top Dems who go on FOX? You mean like....

Ohhhhhh....

[vintx]

39. lol... it's such a stupid insult isn't it? "THEY WENT ON FOX!!11!1!"

Such a simplitic thought process on display there.

[pinebox]

40. It's simplistic

just like their candidate

[oberliner]

17. Focus on turning out minority voters

I think that is the best strategy.

[Melissa G]

20. Many minority voters will not vote for her

Esp as she is now suppressing the minority votes.
This minority voter is feeling hard pressed to find the interest to support her and I am a political junkie.

[geek tragedy]

25. Clinton is not suppressing minority votes.

Whoever told you that is a shameless liar.

[Melissa G]

55. Here is a link

http://ktar.com/story/1029529/allegations-of-voter-fraud-follow-hillary-clinton-campaign-across-nation/

and there are more
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/only-voter-suppression-can-stop-bernie-sanders_b_9780128.html

https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/

[geek tragedy]

72. None of them providing a single fact showing Clinton is guilty of anything.

Clinton's campaign has been actively fighting vote suppression--as anyone who pays attention to the issue for its own merits (as opposed to whining about primary losses) would know.

[Melissa G]

74. I am a person who has paid attention to voter suppression

and elections for most of my life and as almost an obsession since the 2000 and 2004 elections.

Check my posts here in the 2004 era to see how active I have been.

Feel free to educate me on how Clinton's campaign is "actively fighting vote suppression".

We are going to have to agree to disagree that AZ is a positive part of the fight and Hillary not just trying to control the narrative because I agree with Anonymous on her actions there.

http://www.anonews.co/hillary-clintons-election-fraud-exposed/

https://anonymousinvestigationsblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/anonymous-report-was-arizonas-voter-registration-database-hacked/


Election Fraud happened in AZ.

Even the AZ Sec of State confirmed this.

Arizona’s Secretary of State has confirmed that election fraud took place in the Arizona primary on March 22.

During yesterday’s testimony at the Arizona state capitol in Phoenix, Secretary of State Michele Reagan was asked what her office was doing to investigate the claims that registration for thousands of voters had been changed from Democrat or Republican to independent. As US Uncut previously reported, thousands of voters were given provisional ballots, which aren’t actually counted, due to their party registration mysteriously showing up in the system as “independent” or “no party declared.”

Reagan answered “yes” when asked if she knew for certain voter registration had been changed prior to the primary election, then followed up by saying:

“This was something that I know happens, and I know it happened to people in this room. It’s not hearsay. It happened to someone in my own office. One of my employees was registered as a particular party, went to go vote, and I don’t want to divulge his personal details, but it happened to him.”

http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-election-fraud-primary/



Hmmm.. who benefited from this?

[geek tragedy]

76. Republicans benefit from vote suppression.

I repeat, there are zero facts that support the reckless and shameful claim that Clinton is responsible for vote suppression.

Zero.

Only fact-free diatribes from people who hate her guts and are speaking their bias instead of the truth.

[Melissa G]

79. Feel free to educate me on how Clinton's campaign is "actively fighting vote suppression".

asked again...


crickets

[geek tragedy]

80. Here you go:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/14/clinton-campaign-democratic-party-sue-arizona-voting-rights



http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/05/11/0511-hillary-lawsuit.html

[Melissa G]

83. Yeah... Arizona addressed that already. Look what I found!

Wow! I was searching for more evidence of Clinton's long history of voting activism... I found just the opposite!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/like-obama-in-2008-bernie_b_9545560.html

With allegations of voter suppression in Arizona, as well as questions about the Clinton campaign’s tactics in Iowa, Nevada, and other states, some historical context is needed. In 2008, The Atlantic published an article explaining “dirty politics” and voting “irregularities” titled Obama Manager Accuses Clintons of Widespread Dirty Politics:

David Plouffe, in a succinct statement appended to a released quotation from his boss, Barack Obama, said the Obama campaign was investigating more than 200 reporters of irregularities in Nevada.

“We currently have reports of over 200 separate incidents of trouble at caucus sites, including doors being closed up to thirty minutes early, registration forms running out so people were turned away, and ID being requested and checked in a non-uniform fashion. This is in addition to the Clinton campaign’s efforts to confuse voters and call into question the at-large caucus sites which clearly had an affect on turnout at these locations. These kinds of Clinton campaign tactics were part of an entire week’s worth of false, divisive, attacks designed to mislead caucus-goers and discredit the caucus itself.”

snip

Sound familiar? Every single one of the voting irregularities Plouffe complained about in 2008 have been experienced by the Bernie Sanders campaign.

History is repeating itself in 2016.

[geek tragedy]

87. Citing HA Goodman automatically means you lose the argument nt

[Melissa G]

90. Actually, That was the President that was being quoted.

Are you saying Obama is a Hillary Hater? and a sore loser? Oh right, he won.

Here is the same quote from the Atlantic if it makes you feel better.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/01/obama-manager-accuses-clintons-of-widespread-dirty-politics/51660/

[geek tragedy]

91. News flash: campaigns engage in spin.

Also this is 2016.

[Melissa G]

96. Newsflash: same thing is happening

Read the President's lips and then read the articles.
No spin needed.Unless you think the President lied.

[geek tragedy]

99. You're going to believe what you're determined to believe.

Funny how Bernie Sanders will fight to get Barney Frank kicked off a convention committee, but not one word about this purported malfeasance by Clinton.

[oberliner]

56. Many more will

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She has done extremely well with minority voters, particularly African-Americans. I also think having Trump as the Republican nominee will inspire a lot of Latino voters in particular to come out just to vote against him.

[Melissa G]

57. I agree that many will, but her campaign lacks enthusiasm

her numbers are plummeting and what is happening in the latest IG report and FBI investigation are not helping her either.

Clinton is the Establishment and that is quite obviously not what the country is in the mood for.

She has no real handle on her approach to Trump and that has even Dems worried.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html?_r=0

[oberliner]

75. It is worrisome, certainly

Maybe once the Democratic nomination is settled there will be a coming together that will give whoever gets the nomination a bit of a boost.

[Melissa G]

77. Nice to have a civil discussion here.

Thanks.

[oberliner]

82. Likewise

It does still happen occasionally here!

[EL34x4]

22. Male voters. Hillary needs them.

Obama lost male voters to Romney by 8 points but carried females by 12. According to a recent Fox News poll (yeah, I know) Trump loses females by 14 points but carries male voters by a staggering 22 points.

This translates into millions of votes for Trump.

Even if Hillary got every minority vote that Obama did (and that's a pretty tall order), this deficit among male voters is extremely problematic.

[woolldog]

47. Yes she is from focusing too much on speaking to women

and addressing women's issues. This is alienating men. She needs to work on male outreach.

[RBInMaine]

23. Bwahahaha... Hillary has been SMASHING HIM TO PIECES on the trail. This is SUCH nonsense.

[EL34x4]

28. This is the exact attitude

that is going to lead to a whole bunch of shell-shocked Democrats wondering WTF happened on the morning of November 9th.

No, Hillary is not "SMASHING HIM TO PIECES" so YOU can stop laughing.

[JudyM]

29. That's why his trending vs her has improved.

[cali]

32. Your post is absurd by every objective measure

Who to believe regarding this? YOU??? Bwahaha. Or the people quoted in the article.


Get your head out of.... there.

[pinebox]

37. In a very small bubble RB

You forget that.

[vintx]

42. Do you not know how few people participate in primaries vs. the GE?

How few people are even paying much attention at all once their favored candidate is out? The majority of these people won't bother paying attention again till the GE heats up.

[Miles Archer]

64. Bwahahaha

US election: Why has Trump caught Clinton in the polls?
Anthony Zurcher North America reporter

24 May 2016

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36372929

Mrs Clinton's double-digit lead, which she has held over the past several months, has vanished - and with it, apparently, Democrats' dreams of a transformational 2016 victory that would leave Republicans wandering the wilderness for a generation.

According to a Washington Post survey, 85% of Republicans plan to vote for their man. A New York Times offering finds a similar number.

A recent Economist/YouGov poll shows that among Sanders supporters, 55% would vote for Mrs Clinton, 15% would back Mr Trump and the rest either don't know or would pick someone else. It's not particularly surprising, given that 61% of Sanders backers view Mrs Clinton unfavourably and 72% say she's "not honest and trustworthy".

Speaking of Mr Sanders, his supporters cite these recent head-to-head polls as evidence that their man should stay in the Democratic race despite delegate maths that make victory seem extremely unlikely. In the YouGov poll, which shows Mrs Clinton with a 42% to 40% lead over Mr Trump, Mr Sanders had a 48% to 39% advantage. That seems to support the contention that Mrs Clinton's supporters are more likely to back Mr Sanders in a general election match-up than the other way around.

[lmbradford]

84. 47-53

Wow, smashing him. (Eyeroll)

[geek tragedy]

24. Hand-wringing by Democrats occurs every 4 years.

Clinton has to end the Sanders distraction before she can go full tilt against Trump.

[beachbum bob]

26. trumps is SO easily fought...I'm not sure why any one would think hillary can't

handle this ass....trump can;'t handle women, strong women, smart women...women he can't bully. I'll be surprise he even will debate hillary...he can't handle not being the bully...and any debate he will always be the bully

[cali]

33. He is not. He presents too many targets. I think her campaign needs to

focus sharply on his temperament.

[beachbum bob]

35. one issue

go at his business sense...find all the victims of his business failures

go at his disparaging of women, blacks, latinos, mexicans

go at his "smarts"


so much to chose from and keep it going nonstop across the board for 2 months straight....start slow after the convention and build up

make trump and conservatives play defense defending this ass

[cali]

45. No. That will not work.

[beachbum bob]

46. really...well I beg to disagree

politics 101 is you go a person's perceived strength.....

[emulatorloo]

53. Won't work on current Trump supporters. Other voters it would.

He's definitely ripe for a sustained "Bane Capital" style critique and expose.

Current hard core Trump crazies won't care. But not every GE voter is crazy.

[litlbilly]

36. On the flip side, I think this would be Bernies best defence against trump:

They call me crazy: Is it crazy to say everyone in this country should have health care as a right and not a privilege?
Is it crazy to get rid of for profit prisons? Is it crazy to make sure everyone in this country has the opportunity to get a college education? etc, etc. I think that plays into it perfectly.
Hillary on the other hand has no recourse against "crooked Hillary".

[tabasco]

44. With H. Clinton as our nominee,

get used to hearing, "President Trump."

[bettyellen]

60. Which swing states will he capture?

[tabasco]

61. All of them.

[bettyellen]

92. Ha! for a moment I thought you were serious!

[tabasco]

97. For a moment, I thought you were interested in reality.

The only swing state that Clinton has a lead beyond the MOE is Michigan --- and she is trending DOWN everywhere.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton-5635.html

H. Clinton is a weak and divisive candidate, and will lose to Trump.

[bettyellen]

98. Nope she is still beating Trump in all the polled swing states except NC.

There will be a humor for her in June 8,
After sanders bows out. That's how it always works.

[tabasco]

100. Incorrect. Trump has a big lead in Missouri, is leading in NC

and the rest except for Michigan are virtual ties. Unfortunately, as republicans continue to rally around their "strong leader" and H. Clinton continues to divide the Democratic party, these numbers will change in a bad way.

[bettyellen]

101. Clinton has won because most Dems prefer her. She will get her bump

When Sanders bows out and endorses her. Polls are useless till it is an actual head to head contest.
That's the way shit works.

[randr]

51. Those Super Delegates may come in useful after all

come convention time.

[Miles Archer]

66. If Clinton's campaign follows its current trajectory...

...they may indeed.

[jillan]

68. Hillary lets Trump define her. She isn't doing the same Plus

she is doing such a bumbling job answering about her email problem.

Trump takes his weaknesses and gets out in front of them.
Hillary hides behind hers.

I am very concerned about November.

[spinbaby]

70. Here's the thing

However you feel about Clinton's email and honesty, you have to admit that Trump is just over the top with his continual lies, his changing positions, his breathtaking ignorance of nearly everything, and his complete arrogance. So why is "The Donald" getting away with it?

[The Midway Rebel]

71. Those two are going to turn this election into a Texas Chainsaw Cage Match. nt

[mdbl]

78. She needs to stop the breaking down barriers crap

and start building a steel wall between the whacked out repuglican party and normal America. If she doesn't do that, she loses.

[vi5]

81. I had an eye opening weekend.......

My wife and I took my daughter and 6 of her friends to the shore. We are in NJ . The number of younger kids with Trump hats and/or shirts, including some of my daughters friends was staggering. We talked to a few of them about it and they all had some variation on the same sentiment. "It really doesn't matter but at least Trump is entertaining and funny." or one kid summed it up thusly "Look my racist uncle can be annoying but he's a lot more fun to hang around with than my aunt who is always yelling and lecturing us about what we should and shouldn't be doing."

The boardwalk was filled with pro-Trump t-shirts, pro-Bernie t-shirts, and Hillary For Prison t-shirts were the only HRC swag available.

Now again, admittedly this was a Jersey Shore boardwalk so not exactly the Algonquin round table, but by the same token this is NJ which is fairly reliably blue.

My only solace was that a lot of these kids weren't quite old enough to vote, but there were also plenty who were. I tried talking sense but while I'm not a Bernie supporter I also don't care much for Hillary so anything I say is going to be half-hearted and obviously forced beyond "Trump is a wack job!" which they wouldn't even argue with. They all legitimately just think the whole system is fucked so they might as well be entertained by it all. And the people I'm referring to included women, latinos, and other demographics who are the ones we are supposed to have near unanimous support from.

We are toast.

[Dems to Win]

102. Thanks for sharing. Reality Check time

Another indication Hillary is not getting near-unanimous support from demographics her campaign believes they have wrapped up:

Tweet from Shaun King:

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/736046355324542976?lang=en

?@ShaunKing Shaun King Retweeted Fox News
Look on the right, behind Trump, yelling "Build That Wall"

Legendary @UFC fighter @TitoOrtiz.

A damn mess.

included tweet, with video:

0:39
Fox News @FoxNews
.@realDonaldTrump: "Build that wall! Build that wall! Build that wall! Build that wall!"

[AzDar]

89. If she is the Nominee... It's Hello, President Trumpster...