2016 Postmortem
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(6,908 posts)TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)That's probably the next demand.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It wouldn't surprise me too much at this point.
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)#BernieMath
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie is always winning in the Bern bubble.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Maths is hard when it proves your candidate is losing bigtime, no doubt!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Always proving most democrats want Hillary as our nominee.
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)That's my opinion, and the opinion of many, many, many others. Including many who gridgingly support her for "pragmatic" reasons.
She's p been lucky in the fact that the GOP picked Trump. If they had run a credible (for the GOP) candidate, I think they would have wiped the floor...As it is, with Trump, she's got a 50-50 chance or better.
But regardless of Sanders, the Democrats could have done much better. A sizable number of Democrats -- and certainly non-partisan voters -- agree.
Snarkoleptic
(5,996 posts)Poll Date Sample MoE Clinton (D) Trump (R) Spread
RCP Average 5/13 - 5/24 -- -- 43.8 42.8 Clinton +1.0
Rasmussen Reports 5/23 - 5/24 1000 LV 3.0 40 39 Clinton +1
ABC News/Wash Post 5/16 - 5/19 829 RV 3.5 44 46 Trump +2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 5/15 - 5/19 1000 RV 3.1 46 43 Clinton +3
FOX News 5/14 - 5/17 1021 RV 3.0 42 45 Trump +3
CBS News/NY Times 5/13 - 5/17 1109 RV 3.0 47 41 Clinton +6
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)for the 10,000th time!
Maybe Sanders fans will finally learn that fact in a few week. SMH
intheflow
(28,442 posts)Looking at the primary only is a to wage a Pyrrhic war against your allies, instead of focusing on the long-term victory that needs to happen in the general election. For the 10,000th time!
But maybe Clinton fans will finally - and tragically - learn that fact in November. SMH
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)2+2=4 no matter if you would rather have it equal 5!
Math does not give a *hit! It's still 4! Now and forever!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)intheflow
(28,442 posts)Devoid of any meaning or comprehension of my argument. Welcome to my ignore list.
TwilightZone
(25,426 posts)Several different projections show her well ahead in the EC.
Snarkoleptic
(5,996 posts)As for your dismissive comment about the EC, yes, I'm familiar. Why the snotty tone?
Here's what RCP has posted at the moment.
HRC 201
Drumpf 164
tossups 173
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Now what happens when Drumpf runs to her left on 'free trade' agreements?
HRC has referred to the much reviled TPP by stating "This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements" now she's trying to distance herself from it.
Back to polling, Bernie is beating Drumpf like a rented mule! Keep in mind that the job of the electors is to elect a winner, not an also-ran.
RCP Average 5/6 - 5/19 -- -- 50.3 39.5 Sanders +10.8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 5/15 - 5/19 1000 RV 3.1 54 39 Sanders +15
CBS News/NY Times 5/13 - 5/17 1109 RV 3.0 51 38 Sanders +13
FOX News 5/14 - 5/17 1021 RV 3.0 46 42 Sanders +4
PPP (D) 5/6 - 5/9 1222 RV 3.2 50 39 Sanders +11
livetohike
(22,118 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)or not.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Response to hrmjustin (Reply #23)
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Well played hrmjustin!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...occurs before ordinary people vote in creating inevitability message about a candidate and dampening support for other candidates.
annavictorious
(934 posts)That didn't happen in 2008 and it didn't happen this time either. Sanders has maxed out on his support, and it's not enough because it was never going to be enough. Even the $210,000,000 he threw at it couldn't help.
But cheer up. At least you have political philosopher / tripadvisor.com director of philanthropy Rosario Dawson and Nader supporter / GWB elector Sarandon on your side!
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Anyway, as the OP points out, Clinton wins regardless of which method is chosen. And caucuses are the only reason the numbers are even remotely close.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Shouldn't that be more important than all your silly numbers?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Good for you.
Good luck with that during the GE.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)LexVegas
(6,024 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)They should leave that out. It discredits the rest. I am skeptical of the rest now.