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Hillary Sent Classified Info to Someone w/ NO Security Clearance: Sid Blumenthal (Original Post) amborin May 2016 OP
And apparently AFTER Obama told her NO CONTACT with him. flor-de-jasmim May 2016 #1
But she didn't see President Obama as her boss... Yurovsky May 2016 #39
What sources? We know he had classified info, but there was no trail showing where he got it... vintx May 2016 #2
Not true. Certain portions were lifted verbatim from NSA report NWCorona May 2016 #5
Someone also said there was a deathbed confession? IdaBriggs May 2016 #8
Tyler Drumheller died in Aug. 2015 of cancer. He was almost surely deposed. leveymg May 2016 #11
Wow. And he's the guy who outed the Bushes for lying about WMDs. IdaBriggs May 2016 #13
RT published some of his emails to Hillary on their website two years ago! CJCRANE May 2016 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #3
Some were definitely classified at the time. The declassify dates proves that. NWCorona May 2016 #7
Yes, it was classified at the time - we knew that back in July. IdaBriggs May 2016 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #17
ROFLMA! Sorry, but the two Inspector Generals I just quoted are right IdaBriggs May 2016 #20
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Not according to the classifying authority, which is the IC Press Virginia May 2016 #28
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Some information is born classified. Jeez the spamming of this false talking point is tiresome riderinthestorm May 2016 #37
I don't think a single one of them understands "born classified". cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #42
Because you think the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community IdaBriggs May 2016 #36
The state department can't declassify information provided by IC/DOD Press Virginia May 2016 #26
The Inspector Generals of the State Dept and Intelligence Community stated they were. Here: leveymg May 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #19
Provide a link to prove your assertion that the IC IG said that. IdaBriggs May 2016 #22
That is just flat out incorrect. See statement of IG, July 24, 2015, above leveymg May 2016 #24
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You are confused, or trying to confuse others. The IGs said they were classified before sent. Read leveymg May 2016 #35
Yes, and classifying was part of her responsiblities anyway. merrily May 2016 #29
Sanders: Voters should take a "hard look" at Clinton emails report Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #4
Here is a full timeline of everything. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #6
Timelines are the best way to see long running issues Ferd Berfel May 2016 #10
When's the trial? JoePhilly May 2016 #9
November. And if missing her chance to be President is like a conviction... cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #44
If so, we all go to jail huh? JoePhilly May 2016 #46
And his email was hacked, yes? Barack_America May 2016 #12
Was it successfully hacked? We know there were attempts to hack it, but not because she disclosed vintx May 2016 #27
yes, Blumenthal's email was hacked. grasswire May 2016 #38
*sigh* vintx May 2016 #41
according to 18 U.S.C. § 2071(b), which states: Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #23
She hired some good CRIMINAL LAWYERS Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #32
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And Brockpuppet gone already Hydra May 2016 #43
Clear demonstration of disinformation: sowing confusion of issues to poison the community dialogue leveymg May 2016 #47
SID BLUMENTHAL IS A MISOGYNIST RACIST BERNIE BRO TheSarcastinator May 2016 #16
Those words had a lot of power before people started using them for crap like merrily May 2016 #33
Sidney Blumenthal says all we need to know about who HRC seeks advice from. EndElectoral May 2016 #31
since I cant see any of the Hillary people responses, thanks to the ignore button:) litlbilly May 2016 #45
We can't see them anymore either. MIRT zapped.them riderinthestorm May 2016 #48

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
39. But she didn't see President Obama as her boss...
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

I mean, c'mon, seriously, Hillary is going to follow orders from ANYONE?

President Obama was unaware of how Hillary viewed their working relationship. In her view, Obama was merely keeping her seat warm. Oh and if a few eggs had to get broken in the process of making her dirty-money omelet, well, that's just how things work on Team Clinton.

The generous offer of Sec of State was paid back by insubordination and corruption by Madame Secretary. I would wager that President Obama is steaming about the exploding scandals that Hillary was involved in while heading up the State Department and Clinton Inc. accounts receivable department. He won't say anything in public, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if the subject came up in a private conversation between the President and his LOYAL staff.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
2. What sources? We know he had classified info, but there was no trail showing where he got it...
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

have I got that right?


(Also it's Sid, not Syd)

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. Not true. Certain portions were lifted verbatim from NSA report
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:44 AM
May 2016

The ex CIA agent that was thought to be Sid's source just so happened to die recently.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
13. Wow. And he's the guy who outed the Bushes for lying about WMDs.
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

Also in charge of all of covert affairs for Europe, according to one source.

I don't understand why Blumenthal is out in public at all. Isn't he scared to death?

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
40. RT published some of his emails to Hillary on their website two years ago!
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

So there definitely was a trail!

(They published some of the emails that Guccifer hacked).

Response to amborin (Original post)

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
14. Yes, it was classified at the time - we knew that back in July.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf
The IC IG (Intelligence Community Inspector General) found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.

Of course we now know that over 2,000 classified emails were found on her system, with over a hundred written by her personally and the above mentioned 22 "Super Bad" ones. (And that doesn't include the ones they recovered that she deleted last October.)

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IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
20. ROFLMA! Sorry, but the two Inspector Generals I just quoted are right
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

and your wishful fantasies are wrong. Click on the link, and read the source.

This was leaked in January, 2016:
https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Ffnn.box.com%2Fs%2F48oj2j79cp73l66p6afj73rkthwlpt5j

Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #20)

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
28. Not according to the classifying authority, which is the IC
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

State has no authority over the classification of information generated outside the State Department

Response to Press Virginia (Reply #28)

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
37. Some information is born classified. Jeez the spamming of this false talking point is tiresome
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

Hillary supporters better get up to speed and develop some new defense on this because this isn't going away and you all are starting to look scarily, willfully obtuse.

Its not a good look.

SMH

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
42. I don't think a single one of them understands "born classified".
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:45 PM
May 2016

I think they all believe HRC had double-secret power to classify and declassify at will no matter where the info originated or where it was going.

It's the only explanation I can imagine for some of the crap I see posted in Hillary's defense.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
36. Because you think the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

is going to SUBORN PERJURY TO CONGRESS --
January 14, 2016

“To date, I have received two sworn declarations from one element. These declarations cover several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET/SAP levels. According to the declarant, these documents contain information derived from classified IC element sources.”
Link to PDF: https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Ffnn.box.com%2Fs%2F48oj2j79cp73l66p6afj73rkthwlpt5j

To clarify,
DERIVED: verb; derived, deriving.
1. to receive or obtain from a source or origin (usually followed by from)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/derived?s=t

derived from classified IC element sources <-- GUILTY

And thus, and and to those living on the banks of the river DENIAL.

It's not going away.
 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
26. The state department can't declassify information provided by IC/DOD
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

Since they are not the classification authority

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. The Inspector Generals of the State Dept and Intelligence Community stated they were. Here:
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf.
July 24, 2015
Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the
Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails
Yesterday the Office ofthe Inspector General ofthe Intelligence Community (IC IG} sent a
congressional notification to intelligence oversight committees updating them of the IC IG
support to the State Department IG (attached).
The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of
40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which
have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings
and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State
Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated
and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This
classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.



and

The Spy Satellite Secrets in Hillary’s Emails
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html

These weren’t just ordinary secrets found in Clinton’s private server, but some of the most classified material the U.S. government has.

After months of denials and delaying actions, Hillary Clinton has decided to turn over her private email server to the Department of Justice. As this controversy has grown since the spring, Clinton and her campaign operatives have repeatedly denied that she had placed classified information in her personal email while serving as secretary of state during President Obama’s first term. (“I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received,” she said last month.) Her team also denied that she would ever hand over her server to investigators. Now both those assertions have been overturned.

Hillary Clinton has little choice but to hand over her server to authorities since it now appears increasingly likely that someone on her staff violated federal laws regarding the handling of classified materials. On August 11, after extensive investigation, the intelligence community’s inspector general reported to Congress that it had found several violations of security policy in Clinton’s personal emails.

Most seriously, the inspector general assessed that Clinton’s emails included information that was highly classified—yet mislabeled as unclassified. Worse, the information in question should have been classified up to the level of “TOP SECRET//SI//TK//NOFORN,” according to the inspector general’s report.

TOP SECRET, as the name implies, is the highest official classification level in the U.S. government, defined as information whose unauthorized release “could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security or foreign relations.”


and,

CNN and Reuters: Inspectors General concluded Clinton emails presumed classified
The origin of the "presumed classified" determination applied to many of Hillary Clinton's emails are the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the State Department, as reported by CNN. That assessment is shared by the former Director of the Government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), as reported by Reuters.

CNN: 7/24/2015

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/politics/hillary-clinton-email-justice-department/
Official: Clinton emails included classified information

Washington (CNN)The inspector general for the intelligence community has informed members of Congress that some material Hillary Clinton emailed from her private server contained classified information, but it was not identified that way. Because it was not identified, it is unclear whether Clinton realized she was potentially compromising classified information.

The IG reviewed a "limited sampling" of her emails and among those 40 reviewed found that "four contained classified information," wrote the IG Charles McCullough in a letter to Congress. McCullough noted that "none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings" but that some "should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network."

The four emails in question "were classified when they were sent and are classified now," spokeswoman Andrea Williams told CNN.

McCullough said that State Department Freedom of Information Act officials told the intelligence community IG that "there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within the approximately 30,000 provided by former Secretary Clinton."


CNN 8/17/15

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/17/politics/hillary-clinton-server-referred-for-further-review/
Washington (CNN)Intelligence officials assigned to review emails from Hillary Clinton's server for classified information have so far recommended that 305 documents be referred to agencies for further consultation, according to a report filed with a federal judge Monday.

In court papers filed with U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, the State Department updated its progress. It said that as of last Friday, Intelligence Community reviewers had completed a preliminary screening and determined that "out of a sample of approximately 20% of the Clinton emails," the reviewers have "recommended 305 documents -- approximately 5.1% -- for referral to their agencies for consultation."
. . .

inspectors general for the State Department and for the Intelligence Community raised concerns about the content of the emails, the State Department added intelligence staff to assist in the process.


Reuters 8/24/15

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821
Exclusive: Dozens of Clinton emails were classified from the start, U.S. rules suggest


In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.

"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the White House's National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

"If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession," he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was "blowing smoke."

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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. Sanders: Voters should take a "hard look" at Clinton emails report
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said in an interview airing Sunday that voters will need to take a "hard look" at the State Department audit criticizing Clinton for her use of a private email server, but stopped short of going after her directly for it.

"The Inspector General just came out with a report, it was not a good report for Secretary Clinton. That is something that the American people, Democrats and delegates are going to have to take a hard look at," he said. "But for me right now, I continue to focus on how we can rebuild a disappearing middle class, deal with poverty, guarantee health care to all of our people as a right."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-voters-should-take-a-hard-look-at-clinton-emails-report/

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
10. Timelines are the best way to see long running issues
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

Thanks to Randi Rhodes for teaching me about these little gems.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
44. November. And if missing her chance to be President is like a conviction...
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

Then figuratively; she'll get a life sentence because this is her last shot.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
27. Was it successfully hacked? We know there were attempts to hack it, but not because she disclosed
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

the attempts, as required (rules are for little people!)

In fact she instructed her staff not to speak of the hacking attempts.

Yeah, sure... this was just about 'convenience'.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
38. yes, Blumenthal's email was hacked.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

His AOL account had his dog's name as the password. Romanian hacker Guccifer (now in jail in the U.S.) cracked that one.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
41. *sigh*
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

See, this is why I only read so much.

It's super fucking easy to see why people are abandoning this party.

And oh look! A lot of the change started during Clinton's administration, when we realized we'd been fucked over by republian lite triangulating fucking liars!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states#History

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
15. according to 18 U.S.C. § 2071(b), which states:
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

according to ,18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally which states:

“Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”



https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
47. Clear demonstration of disinformation: sowing confusion of issues to poison the community dialogue
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

That one was really obvious about it because he didn't have a very good grasp of the subject matter. Others have been more convincing.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
16. SID BLUMENTHAL IS A MISOGYNIST RACIST BERNIE BRO
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:03 PM
May 2016

Why can't you lady-hatin' commies just leave Hillary alone???

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. Those words had a lot of power before people started using them for crap like
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

saying kitten heels were a fashion don't.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
45. since I cant see any of the Hillary people responses, thanks to the ignore button:)
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

can someone give me a hint at what they're posting? I would love to know.

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