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bigtree

(85,984 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:02 PM May 2016

Sanders Goes From 'Don't Give a Damn about Emails' to 'Take a Hard Look.' Pathetic.

CBS News Politics @CBSPolitics
Bernie Sanders on @FaceTheNation : Voters should take a "hard look" at Clinton emails report http://cbsn.ws/1qUvito via @emilyrs


josh ?@jahwix 2h2 hours ago
@CBSPolitics @FaceTheNation @emilyrs didn't he literally wave his hands and say 'we're tired of hearing about your emails' during debate??



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Sanders Goes From 'Don't Give a Damn about Emails' to 'Take a Hard Look.' Pathetic. (Original Post) bigtree May 2016 OP
He is an opportunist. hrmjustin May 2016 #1
And an extremely sore loser. Very bitter. Metric System May 2016 #5
His behavior has really soured my opinion of him. hrmjustin May 2016 #9
He has proven his critics right. This is the behavior he's known for, which is why he had so little Metric System May 2016 #22
I know Hillary Clinton has such a low rating for honest. That is nothing to be proud of. I know I Seeinghope May 2016 #132
I'm not sure my opinion could be more sour of him. barrow-wight May 2016 #76
Sounds better than a liar I guess workinclasszero May 2016 #23
And cares more about himself than the Party scscholar May 2016 #111
Hillary Clinton cared more about herself than National Security.. Seeinghope May 2016 #133
He was asked a question about it pmorlan1 May 2016 #2
+10 99th_Monkey May 2016 #26
+11 dchill May 2016 #54
+12 840high May 2016 #67
I think he lies. apcalc May 2016 #87
Well of course you do - being 840high May 2016 #129
If you are a Hillary Clinton supporter that should be O.K. With you. She has been caught in so many Seeinghope May 2016 #134
So when he now says that the primary process is not ... Tortmaster May 2016 #161
Not just that - A LOT more info has come out on this since his initial Ferd Berfel May 2016 #95
👆 this. deathrind May 2016 #130
+1k CentralMass May 2016 #100
Sanders broke his word again. annavictorious May 2016 #104
LOL pmorlan1 May 2016 #109
You are kidding right? I thought that he was trying to be more like Hillary Clinton. Seeinghope May 2016 #137
How dare he respond now thats its an FBI.. lmbradford May 2016 #149
+1000 lmbradford May 2016 #148
+++ ArcticFox May 2016 #157
What does he have to gain at this point, other than help Trump? Metric System May 2016 #3
when he made that debate statement...investigation(S) were Jack Bone May 2016 #11
It would be bordering on complicity to continue to ignore the email thing. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #30
He wants to damage the Democratic Party as much as he can. apcalc May 2016 #102
Hillary Clinton is the one damaging the Democratic Party. Seeinghope May 2016 #127
Reeks of desperation.nt sufrommich May 2016 #4
Yes, this thread reeks of desperation. But she brought it on herself. lagomorph777 May 2016 #46
It's a fake scandal that started with the failed Benghazi sufrommich May 2016 #48
Regardless of its origin from a fake scandal, lagomorph777 May 2016 #50
Agree apcalc May 2016 #89
He is being asked the question in all of his interviews since the latest developments were released CentralMass May 2016 #98
The email problem isn't going away with Bernie's concession speech... pipoman May 2016 #6
No, sorry, he is CORRECT to do this pinebox May 2016 #7
I guess it would be fair to say "She's pathetic," then. dchill May 2016 #57
Winners are not pathetic Demsrule86 May 2016 #92
Lance Armstrong . TheFarS1de May 2016 #135
Bush won. Pathetic, Reagan won. Pathetic. Trump won. Pathetic. Need I go on? Seeinghope May 2016 #138
They really should pay attention to that private server along nc4bo May 2016 #8
it is not pathetic, you just have to accept things change, hollysmom May 2016 #10
it actually says nothing that will influence this primary bigtree May 2016 #15
it is not a hope, it is a fact - infections have to be dealt with or they fester hollysmom May 2016 #18
the 'big story' will be the fizzle of this inflated controversy bigtree May 2016 #39
You are correct insofar as the American voter in general are idiots nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #85
Really??? Now Failing To Tell The Truth.. No Problem With That either I Presume.... CorporatistNation May 2016 #128
sounds like a republican campaign bigtree May 2016 #145
Except it came from Kerry. lmbradford May 2016 #150
A scathing OIG audit can do that. Only diehard supporters discount this audit. NWCorona May 2016 #12
You obviously did not read it Demsrule86 May 2016 #21
I did read it and I'm not the only one using that term. NWCorona May 2016 #25
You are Bernie supporter Demsrule86 May 2016 #94
Yes I am a Bernie supporter and I will say that it wasn't truly devastating. NWCorona May 2016 #97
I read it too...he'd dead on. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #63
I read it...scathing is too mild nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #80
In your dreams Demsrule86 May 2016 #99
Nah not my dreams nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #101
Yea because when he said it TimPlo May 2016 #13
it'll be hard for the email truthers when the FBI walks away from Sec.Clinton bigtree May 2016 #17
Are you sure they were about Benghazi? When did Kerry request the inquiry?before that debate, no? floppyboo May 2016 #61
what's really pathetic is not admitting that someone who cannot master email cannot run the nation TheSarcastinator May 2016 #14
What's pathetic is that emails and Benghazi apcalc May 2016 #106
Why do you keep equating Benghazi investigation with the e-mail investigation? Seeinghope May 2016 #140
He knows that time is running out for him. He's getting pretty desperate now. Trust Buster May 2016 #16
The media aired it and the media is asking him questions on it. CentralMass May 2016 #103
Perhaps the Inspector General's report played a part. Shemp Howard May 2016 #19
still new to DU so jonmac511 May 2016 #20
It's not difficult to understand, because of Hillary's constant lying about it, and the IG report. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #24
it's been an issue and he's still heading for a loss bigtree May 2016 #34
She's been totally upfront about it.... apcalc May 2016 #91
... Kall May 2016 #131
+1 99th_Monkey May 2016 #144
Ignore her emails at your peril! leftinportland May 2016 #27
I don't think most voters will care about a policy that carried zero penalty bigtree May 2016 #38
Think what you want... leftinportland May 2016 #49
The IG is a Dem appointed by Obama Admin lmbradford May 2016 #62
the way this report is being used against Hillary is certainly right-wing bigtree May 2016 #64
So you are saying.. lmbradford May 2016 #70
I'm saying that your campaign's interpretation of the controversy and report is self-serving bigtree May 2016 #75
Sanders has Butkus to do with this nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90
Oh sure lmbradford May 2016 #122
Her account was never hacked. But the State Department servers were. apcalc May 2016 #110
It started with Kerry. lmbradford May 2016 #151
He said that before the IG report was released. That report contradicts what she has been saying Autumn May 2016 #28
It's not Bernie's fault that since he said that, Kall May 2016 #136
This sort of thing is why he's lost my vote. TeacherB87 May 2016 #29
This sort of thing ? Bernie Sanders did not invent this story. CentralMass May 2016 #108
He did nothing. lmbradford May 2016 #152
He never had your vote. bvf May 2016 #164
Of course it is, he is doing nothing to prevent Trump BootinUp May 2016 #31
When have republicans ever needed cover leftinportland May 2016 #51
You apparently are lost in some leftist fantasy. Get with the program. nt BootinUp May 2016 #52
No, you get with the program. Bernie Sanders wasn't involved when Bill was dogged by the Seeinghope May 2016 #142
The current developments on the email/personal server issue are being aired by every major media out CentralMass May 2016 #116
She was defended TODAY on Sunday TV by Sen. Feinstein, and Rep. Garamendi. BootinUp May 2016 #118
It is bad!!! lmbradford May 2016 #153
He's doing the proper thing: waiting for the investigations to be conducted and then acting AzDar May 2016 #32
The report revealed info we weren't aware of. It should make anyone take a "hard look" at Clinton Triana May 2016 #33
It's over. Sanders knows it's over, but still. kstewart33 May 2016 #35
What's pathetic... seekthetruth May 2016 #36
+ Brazillion nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #88
Thank you for your post and your work. It is so sad that people don't value the gravity of the Seeinghope May 2016 #143
Maybe, back then, he believed she was telling the truth. Now we know different. n/t cigsandcoffee May 2016 #37
Maybe most everybody was thinking that way nolabels May 2016 #86
Oh, shush Bernie! We're supposed to hold our noses and ignore it like well behaved sheep. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #40
I'm with her all the way but the hand wave was a seminal moment for me n/t Henhouse May 2016 #41
Bernie made a mistake to give her a pass on this all those months ago Hydra May 2016 #42
Yup, the email situation is pathetic. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #43
The facts have changed - she's been revealed to CanadaexPat May 2016 #44
A lot of new info has been revealed. He's "evolved" on the subject. frylock May 2016 #45
Sure portlander23 May 2016 #47
I'm a strong and consistent defender of Snowden, and even Greenwald on the issue of govt secrecy bigtree May 2016 #53
Leaks portlander23 May 2016 #58
yeah, the latter is an administrative failure, at worst. bigtree May 2016 #65
We'll have to disagree portlander23 May 2016 #71
the part about shielding herself from scrutiny is a stretch bigtree May 2016 #73
... ok portlander23 May 2016 #124
the emails were obviously accessible bigtree May 2016 #146
Made accessible after she was compelled to release them by legal action portlander23 May 2016 #147
They got them from backup on a cloud company. lmbradford May 2016 #155
She was trusted with that info. lmbradford May 2016 #154
He needs to retire KingFlorez May 2016 #55
So now evolving isn't ok? If that's the case Hillary's in big trouble! DebDoo May 2016 #56
Bernie is winding down so he's in the kitchen throwing underthematrix May 2016 #59
Looks like Sanders learned something new. Octafish May 2016 #60
i don't think he ever said he wouldn't bring it up 0rganism May 2016 #66
What's pathetic is that she lied for an entire year and it doesn't even phase her supporters. AtomicKitten May 2016 #68
The information we have has changed Ash_F May 2016 #69
Well Bernie is just horrible. We all know "The Donald" won't bring it up. Vinca May 2016 #72
The situation has changed... The Midway Rebel May 2016 #74
situation has changed... bigtree May 2016 #77
It sounds like... The Midway Rebel May 2016 #79
Except he did nothing. lmbradford May 2016 #156
What an ugly, ugly hearted candidate. barrow-wight May 2016 #78
I have a bird he can have MFM008 May 2016 #83
This bogus narrative that you are trying to create is not foolong anyone. CentralMass May 2016 #112
You're telling me what to do, now? barrow-wight May 2016 #119
He answered a question Eric J in MN May 2016 #160
I agree with the Senator. People should read it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #81
Chuck Todd was pleading with him to attack her today on her emails. He wouldn't go there. jillan May 2016 #82
He's turning into apcalc May 2016 #84
Over eight years a member bvf May 2016 #167
Well to be fair, he hasn't campaigned on Emailgate itself, ever Tarc May 2016 #93
It all comes together full circle in the Clinton Foundation. libdem4life May 2016 #96
Yes, if it wasnt for the perfidy of the dreaded berniebro, NOONE would be talking about it right now Warren DeMontague May 2016 #105
Pathetic DU, pathetic BigTree. Just pathetic all around! 7wo7rees May 2016 #107
Yes it is. Make the issues the other candidate who has bent CentralMass May 2016 #113
He told her to do it, haven't you read the latest meme nolabels May 2016 #114
Another pathetic 16 days for this pathetic primary. geek tragedy May 2016 #123
Sanders mistake was giving Hillary a pass to begin with Teamster Jeff May 2016 #115
Are you serious? waterwatcher123 May 2016 #117
When Bernie said that he was absolutely telling the interviewers don't go on with the email bkkyosemite May 2016 #120
"There is a process in place for the email situation that Hillary Clinton is dealing with. Let it RichVRichV May 2016 #121
things CHANGED. NEW info. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #125
Bernie has not changed his position portlander23 May 2016 #139
Not an opportunist, a realist. More information came out about the e-mail situation. Seeinghope May 2016 #126
Whats pathetic is her continual lying about this. Lokijohn May 2016 #141
He's 'evolving' cliffordu May 2016 #158
Not what he said. Eric J in MN May 2016 #159
Circumstances change. bvf May 2016 #162
they're just running away from her bigtree May 2016 #163
My point exactly, your ineffectual sarcasm aside. bvf May 2016 #165
I think Obama is holding out on endorsing her because he's waiting to the last minute to see B Calm May 2016 #166
Agreed. bvf May 2016 #168

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
22. He has proven his critics right. This is the behavior he's known for, which is why he had so little
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

support from his Congressional colleagues.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
132. I know Hillary Clinton has such a low rating for honest. That is nothing to be proud of. I know I
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

Wouldn't be proud of that. People tend to be put off when someone is direct, open, honest and a fighter. Exactly what we need in a leader. Too bad people don't value those characteristics anymore because if they did Hillary Clinton wouldn't be anywhere today.

There are so many videos of her backtracking on her words, positions, stories.....coming down to out and out lies, but hey dishonesty is a redeeming quality.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
2. He was asked a question about it
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

and he told the truth. Yeah, really pathetic telling the truth. Why can't he just lie like Hillary.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
134. If you are a Hillary Clinton supporter that should be O.K. With you. She has been caught in so many
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

lies that there are videos of lies that she has tried to get away with.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
161. So when he now says that the primary process is not ...
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

... "rigged," it's just dumb, he must have been lying when he said, before, that it was rigged? He's been a massive hypocrite about unpledged delegates as well.

Then, there's the whole not-going-to-run-a-negative campaign thing.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
95. Not just that - A LOT more info has come out on this since his initial
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

'...damn tired of hearing about her emails..."

New information = new thoughts & new positions. If you use your brain anyway.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
104. Sanders broke his word again.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

Remember when he tried to tell primary voters that he never has run and never would run a negative campaign?

People don't like being lied to.
People don't like being dictated to.
People don't like bitter entitlement.

No wonder Sanders lost.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
149. How dare he respond now thats its an FBI..
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

INVESTIGATION!! You act as if he caused her to mishandle classified info.

Newssflash. She did this to herself.

ArcticFox

(1,249 posts)
157. +++
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:33 AM
May 2016

I'm guessing the Never Hillary crowd is growing by the hour with such asinine comments. How can a Hillary supporter, presuming she has this locked up, be such a sore winner?

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
11. when he made that debate statement...investigation(S) were
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

underway...one of those have concluded that what Hillary did was wrong.

absolutely nothing wrong with pointing that out.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
46. Yes, this thread reeks of desperation. But she brought it on herself.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

Bernie's strongest statement about it is to encourage voters to read the truth for themselves. That's it. I think that's pretty damned generous considering the magnitude of the report's findings.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
48. It's a fake scandal that started with the failed Benghazi
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

fake scandal,the fact that it's embraced here is disgusting and pathetic.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
50. Regardless of its origin from a fake scandal,
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

the OIG report demonstrates that the e-mail server itself is a REAL scandal, and not a GOP game.

Hillary, and her staff, have handed Trump the nuclear button. Both figuratively (GE campaign) and literally (holy shit).

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
98. He is being asked the question in all of his interviews since the latest developments were released
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

On Bill Maher he avoided the question and today when asked he said that Americans should take a hard look at it. As they should


Desperation ? Bull. Bernie didn't create her troubles and he is not bringing them up in these interviews.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
6. The email problem isn't going away with Bernie's concession speech...
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

It will be fully vetted now or later....

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
7. No, sorry, he is CORRECT to do this
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

He believed Hillary at first, the same way Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd did.
Hillary has been lying for over a year about it and we all just found out last week with the IG report.

Sorry but Bernie is correct. Hillary did this to herself and nobody else but.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
92. Winners are not pathetic
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

But people who lose and can't admit always are ...and Bernie has crossed that line...sad way for his campaign to end.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
135. Lance Armstrong .
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

Pathetic and a world class winner , so there goes your theory Bernie is simply pointing out the emerging facts . No one wants Trump , this "non issue" Hillary is having could deliver the WH right to his clammy hands .

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
8. They really should pay attention to that private server along
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

With those emails.

Emails by themselves = weak tea.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
10. it is not pathetic, you just have to accept things change,
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:09 PM
May 2016

the report was way more negative than anyone expected. it has to be dealt with,not ignored, it is important to deal with things, not hope they disappear.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
15. it actually says nothing that will influence this primary
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

...in any significant way.

I'm even less impressed with this issue coming from Trump, but, for those who think this is a big deal, I'm sure hope will spring eternal.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
18. it is not a hope, it is a fact - infections have to be dealt with or they fester
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

I am not saying this in a partisan way, every time something it buried under the surface, it comes up again. Do you really want this to be a bigger story just before the GE? or if she gets elected in her first term, you just know how republicans are salivated to start up more invesitgations and get less done.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
39. the 'big story' will be the fizzle of this inflated controversy
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

...the piddling complaints about her practice, statements, and actions don't amount to a mole on a mountain hill.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
128. Really??? Now Failing To Tell The Truth.. No Problem With That either I Presume....
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

lmbradford

(517 posts)
150. Except it came from Kerry.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:07 AM
May 2016

Her own administration started noticing things missing. She mishandled classified information.

Nobody else.
No right wing anything
She did this to herself.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
94. You are Bernie supporter
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

You want it to be truly devastating, but it is not. Nope Bernie has lost and you can cry email 1000 times a day , it won't help his cause...tell him to quit save his movement.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
97. Yes I am a Bernie supporter and I will say that it wasn't truly devastating.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

But it's looking like the emails will end up stopping Hillary's campaign

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
63. I read it too...he'd dead on.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

And you're dead wrong. Hillary fucked up big time. If you have any concern for national security in the slightest, she is unequivocally unfit to be President.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
99. In your dreams
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

State Department spokesman Mark Toner briefed reporters Wednesday: "While not necessarily encouraged, there was no prohibition on using personal email. The only requirement is that -- and the regulations do state this, that these records need to be preserved."


http://news.wgbh.org/2016/05/25/politics-government/read-state-dept-inspector-generals-report-hillary-clintons-emails

Nothing there and it is worth noting that Powell has given the IG exact 0 of his emails

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
101. Nah not my dreams
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

Why don't you watch the full video? State has it, so does CSPAN. And anyway. If a partisan says it anymore, regardless of party, I cannot take it seriously. So I am not going g to take you seriously, even if you tell me the sky is blue.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
13. Yea because when he said it
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

The emails where about Benghazi, now saying emails is a totally different thing. The FBI investigation has zero to do with Benghazi and really Benghazi was not even what started this. What prompted the investigation was the Romanian Hacker posting sensitive information online. This made White House go hmm we know Clinton had a server in her house and now we see email from her to Blumenthal that sparked the AG to ask for the security review. Which then from that review spawned the investigation. So over past 6 months this Email thing went from a bunch of loony GOP in congress trying to do dog and pony show to the investigation that could topple a Presidential Election.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
61. Are you sure they were about Benghazi? When did Kerry request the inquiry?before that debate, no?
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

If I hear Benghazi again, I just might spit. How can you stand it? What news source has numbed your brain? This began last March. NOT the B word shite. Different. Now, deal with that.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
14. what's really pathetic is not admitting that someone who cannot master email cannot run the nation
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

More hubris and cognitive dissonance from Team Hindenburg.

apcalc

(4,463 posts)
106. What's pathetic is that emails and Benghazi
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

Are right wing bullshit wet dreams. And you are citing them here on DU. I expect Republican trolls to do that.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
140. Why do you keep equating Benghazi investigation with the e-mail investigation?
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

They are nothing alike. Most Democrats agreed that it was a typical right wing witch hunt. The e-mails, private server installed by a person not associated with the SD with the reason that it was for the privacy of her personal e-mails and to make it easier is such bullshit that she should be ashamed to have tried to use that lame of an excuse. She could have installed the server for her own private e-mails and had her blackberry working with that. She could have used the SD server and another blackberry for SD business. If it was a little confusing or difficult she had staff for God's sake. It was that easy. Anybody that works on a computer for work when there is any confidential information is NEVER allowed to commingle their personal and employment e-mail together. It is simply ludicrous. There are penalties of laws to deal with if you do. I worked with a credit card company and I better never mix up any personal and professional work together because of FEDERAL LAWS.

So Benghazi is one thing the e-mail is a whole other ballgame.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
103. The media aired it and the media is asking him questions on it.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

Bernie is not bringing the issue up and what he is saying about it when asked is quite reasonable.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
19. Perhaps the Inspector General's report played a part.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

Two possibilities here.

One, Bernie is getting desperate, and is grasping at straws.

Two, the Inspector's General's report was not exactly pro-Hillary. Many respected media people are saying that the report showed that Hillary was not being truthful here. So perhaps Bernie is pivoting because he's starting to realize that the emails are evidence of Hillary's lack of character, and not just much ado about nothing.

Take your pick. Unfortunately, most people will pick an option based on who their candidate is, and not on logic. As for me, I'll trust in what the impartial Inspector General said.

jonmac511

(46 posts)
20. still new to DU so
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

I'm trying hard to find a source telling voters they shouldn't give a damn about the emails. He chooses to keep the issues as the focus of his message, you should appreciate that by the way, and relying on voters to make up their own mind about trust and judgement. Making the connection between the two statements deserves a medal for gymnastics both mentally and for use of the English language.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
24. It's not difficult to understand, because of Hillary's constant lying about it, and the IG report.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

At this point, if Bernie continued to "not care about her damned emails", he would start
to look complicit. At that point in the campaign, the M$M ws obsessing about the
email thing to the exclusion of any other issues, and it was doing a disservice to the entire
Democratic side of the primaries; so Bernie was gracious enough to insist that it be off the
table, to give it a rest.

The IG report changes everything, as it exposes Hillary's lying in bold relief, making her
radioactive. I don't blame Bernie a bit for finally having to agree that it's a legit issue in
the campaign.

Kall

(615 posts)
131. ...
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016


Apparrently "I'll cooperate fully, and answer anyone's questions" turned into not cooperating with the IG or doing any interview somewhere along the line.

leftinportland

(247 posts)
27. Ignore her emails at your peril!
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

I can't think of a more stupid thing for the Democratic powers that be or anyone else to do. How would you plan to deal with this issue during the general...think Trump and his supporters will ignore it?

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
38. I don't think most voters will care about a policy that carried zero penalty
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

...for refusing to follow.

They'll care even less about it coming from a republican. ( Powell, Rice, Cheney *cough, cough*)

leftinportland

(247 posts)
49. Think what you want...
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

There is enough damning stuff in the OIG report and we still await the results of the FBI investigation.

Unless republicans fail to get their voters to the polls in November, no Dem candidate can win just with democratic voters, they need to also bring in independent voters...that is where we can loose.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
62. The IG is a Dem appointed by Obama Admin
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

This is not some right wing attack.

If you belive this is nothing, then please put your ss# and bank acct# on an unsecure server with no password and leave it in a building where numerous guards, servants, aids, and society who gather for parties are constantly around.

Now imagine that same server with secret agent names and top secret military ops on it.

This is huge and there is no way that this isnt going to blow up.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
64. the way this report is being used against Hillary is certainly right-wing
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

...despite it's adoption by Sanders and his desperate campaign.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
70. So you are saying..
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

Her own dept, under Obama is right wing? Kerry couldnt find any of her info and started looking. Thats why this whole thing was discovered. Only Hillary is responsible for this mess. Blame everyone else if you must but this is all on her.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
75. I'm saying that your campaign's interpretation of the controversy and report is self-serving
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

...twaddle.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
90. Sanders has Butkus to do with this
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016

And national security is hardly a partisan issue. Continue to think it is

Autumn

(45,013 posts)
28. He said that before the IG report was released. That report contradicts what she has been saying
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

for over a year now. Hell yes that report needs to be looked at, hard. Saying you did something when you didn't,and saying you didn't do something when you did is what my Mamma used to call lies.

Kall

(615 posts)
136. It's not Bernie's fault that since he said that,
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

Hillary has said she'll cooperate fully and answer anyone's questions then refused to cooperate with or interview with Obama's IG, Obama's IG since released a report that said her actions were *not* allowed contrary to her repeated public statements, and that Obama's IG reported that her response to hack attempts on her home server was to unplug it for a few minutes.

It's sad watching people try to defend this. It's not peoples' job to be loyal foot-soldiers and defend Hillary Clinton's actions when they're wrong.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
108. This sort of thing ? Bernie Sanders did not invent this story.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

He has made it a point to not talk about it

The multiple posts of this type today thst that make the claim that Bernie is attacking Hillary on this are bogus and disingenuous.

In light of the recent developments in that case that have been aired by every network and major newspaper he is being asked questions about it.
He is answering graciously. Do you expect him to be a blind pyscophant and defend her when he doesn't know the truth on the matter ?

lmbradford

(517 posts)
152. He did nothing.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016

He answered a question after being pushed. He isnt responsible for her mess. He did nothing.

BootinUp

(47,135 posts)
31. Of course it is, he is doing nothing to prevent Trump
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

here he provides cover to right wing lies against the likely nominee.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
142. No, you get with the program. Bernie Sanders wasn't involved when Bill was dogged by the
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

Republicans. Bernie Sanders wasn't involved when Obama was dogged by Republicans. Bernie Sanders wasn't around when Carter had problems with the Republicans.

Your apparently lost in your Hillary fantasy. Time to snap back to reality.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
116. The current developments on the email/personal server issue are being aired by every major media out
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:26 PM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders did not invent the issue and he has made it a non campaign issues in a demonstrable way.

He was just asked a question about the recent developments on Face The Nation and his answer on the matter was very mild and reasonable. He did not bring it up.

Name one standing Senator or member of Congress who would go on A Sunday Talk show and wade into this one ? Do you expect him to defend her ?

BootinUp

(47,135 posts)
118. She was defended TODAY on Sunday TV by Sen. Feinstein, and Rep. Garamendi.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016

I expect him to do better than to try and persuade superdelegates that they better look at it, which insinuates ITS BAD. YES.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
153. It is bad!!!
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:16 AM
May 2016

You cant hold him responsible for her screw ups. He didnt do anything wrong. She did. At least according to her own dept under Obamas IG.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
32. He's doing the proper thing: waiting for the investigations to be conducted and then acting
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

accordingly. Hillary has screwed herself royally, and unnecessarily with this...to deny that is absurd.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
33. The report revealed info we weren't aware of. It should make anyone take a "hard look" at Clinton
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

as a candidate and as President.

Sander is - as usual - right.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
35. It's over. Sanders knows it's over, but still.
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

He's doing himself no good. He's looking like an intensely frustrated and angry old man.

The Senate Dems' refusal to endorse him is making sense now.

They've observed him and some worked with him, or attempted to, for many years.

I wish Bernie would focus now on building his movement into a force that gets results - progressive victories in races at all levels. That's his true potential legacy.

I support the movement and I'd wager that the large majority of other Hillary supporters do too.

But he is burning so many bridges that he's hurting the movement.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
36. What's pathetic...
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

We have millions of people who voted for someone who......

- broke the rules and lied about it
- sent classified information to a person WITHOUT a security clearance
- and supports policies that will continue to keep us at the mercy of neoliberalism (look the term up if you have to......)

.....and we're just concerned with who wins the contest vs. whose policies are what the country needs right now. I wonder how many of those people now would vote give the results of that report??

This email issue, I honestly agree, didn't matter at all to me, really, 8 or 9 months ago. But, having experience myself in handling top secret material in the military, it sickens me to think that Clinton is somehow above the rules. We're saying to every sailor, marine, airman, and soldier who has a clearance that the rules don't apply to the "higher ups".

It's just sad to see so many people on here not giving a damn about fairness when it comes to how serious everyone else who holds a clearance in government has to take their responsibilities.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
143. Thank you for your post and your work. It is so sad that people don't value the gravity of the
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

ethical violation that happened. The information that could have gotten into the wrong hands could have cost some their life. If Hillary Clinton didn't think that would happen then she isn't fit to hold the most important office....in the world. If she just didn't care about the repressions of her actions, then she is a danger to this country. Either way she is not fit to be in the White House.

Why people only want to win at all costs is beyond me. It is systemic in our society. We no longer see honesty, integrity, humanity and a sense of " for the good of everybody". It is like so many people that go to church and sing praises and read the Bible and then come out and gossip, condemn, say the word "socialism" like it is a dirty word and still say things like "why should I have to pay for them? Nobody gave me anything. People shouldn't be allowed in this country...kids and their parents should pay for their education. I had to work 2 jobs....it has turned into the "win at all costs" and the "me first" society.

I look back at Jimmy Carter and I look at Hillary Clinton and we have sunk so so low.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
86. Maybe most everybody was thinking that way
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

The Republicans have done us a disservice crying wolf so many times. With that in mind when something comes up and the real wolf shows up we a found flat footed.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
42. Bernie made a mistake to give her a pass on this all those months ago
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:45 PM
May 2016

This is a legal issue, and no amount of opinioning changes that. Either we are for rule of law, or we aren't. She was just as guilty or innocent back then as she is now, but now she also gets obstruction of justice and a scandal out of it.

I'm sure Bernie wanted to stick to the issues, but this is an issue too.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
47. Sure
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016
Sanders on Clinton email server: Superdelegates 'keeping it in mind'
The Hill

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is still not jumping on rival Hillary Clinton's controversial private email server scandal, but said a recent report condemning her actions is something voters and superdelegates will have to take into account.

"Now, you're right — the inspector general just came out with a report; it was not a good report for Secretary Clinton. That is something that the American people, Democrats and delegates are going to have to take a hard look at," Sanders said in an interview on CBS News's "Face the Nation" Sunday. "But for me right now, I continue to focus on how we can rebuild a disappearing middle class, deal with poverty, guarantee healthcare to all of our people as a right."


Bernie, as always, is pretty consistent. He wants to talk about problems that working people face.

What's really pathetic is that some Democrats don't care that Mrs. Clinton thinks whistleblowers like Snowden and Manning are criminals, but she's entitled to protection for FOIA requests as a high ranking government official.

Privacy in the United States is not something the government is supposed to have from the people. Quite the opposite.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
53. I'm a strong and consistent defender of Snowden, and even Greenwald on the issue of govt secrecy
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:12 PM
May 2016

...what's inconsistent is the number of folks willing to give Snowden an pass who claim to be so concerned about the mere potential for leaks and hacks from Hillary's actions.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
58. Leaks
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

I think there's a very big difference between a whistleblower providing information that the government had attempted to keep secret, and that the public has a right to know, from a government official that ran all communications through an insecure system in an attempt to shield themselves from FOIA requests and government oversight.

In Mrs. Clinton's case, you have someone in the government attempting to keep information from the public that we have a right to see, and in the Snowden case you have someone acting as a whistleblower. That fact that Mrs. Clinton may have leaked classified information is not a case of whistleblowing, it's one of willful incompetence.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
71. We'll have to disagree
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

Mrs. Clinton going around normal process to set up and exclusively use a private server to shield herself from oversight and scrutiny is not an administrative failure. This is something she chose to do, and it may or may not be illegal. We'll see. It's definitely sketchy as hell.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
73. the part about shielding herself from scrutiny is a stretch
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

...it's a curious argument to criticize her for wanting to limit access and then criticizing her for supposed vulnerabilities; especially since the government server was the one actually compromised.

I don't see how that case can be made, given that most of those emails were eventually made available. How is that 'shielding herself from oversight?'

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
124. ... ok
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

The whole reason this is in court is because Vice News and Freedom Watch had to sue the State Department because they did not turn over Mrs. Clinton's emails in response to various FOIA requests. The reason they didn't turn them over is because they weren't in their possession.

I can't imagine you have a problem with Jason Leopold and Vice, but even if you have a problem with Judicial Watch, this is information that the public has a right to and was withheld for years because Mrs. Clinton violated federal procedures. Mrs. Clinton "called for" the release of her emails only after she was subpoenaed to appear and produce them.

So, yes. This was to protect her own secrecy, which is fine as a private citizen, but not as a government official. The through line here with Snowden, Manning, and the Apple encryption case is that clearly Mrs. Clinton believes that the government is entitled to privacy but citizens are not.

But let's get back to the substance of your take on this:

Sanders Goes From 'Don't Give a Damn about Emails' to 'Take a Hard Look.' Pathetic.


And again, here's Mr. Sander's quote in context:

"Now, you're right — the inspector general just came out with a report; it was not a good report for Secretary Clinton. That is something that the American people, Democrats and delegates are going to have to take a hard look at," Sanders said in an interview on CBS News's "Face the Nation" Sunday. "But for me right now, I continue to focus on how we can rebuild a disappearing middle class, deal with poverty, guarantee healthcare to all of our people as a right."


Mr. Sanders' stance has not changed. This is in fact a serious issue to people who care about open government, and it is a legitimate concern that Mrs. Clinton used an insecure server. The point that Mr. Sanders is making is not that this isn't a real issue, but it's not the top of anyone's list to discuss in an election when working people are hurting. That is the opposite of pathetic.

I get it. You're supporting Mrs. Clinton. You don't care about this issue, and frankly I assume most voters won't either. It remains to be seen whether or not she will be indicted, but given that there's likely enough legal wiggle room here and that Mr. Obama controls the Department of Justice, I think it's fairly unlikely.

But let's not pretend what she did here was OK, nor let us pretend this is something that she didn't bring on herself.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
146. the emails were obviously accessible
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:20 PM
May 2016

...because they were retrievable and have been turned over. All of the talk about secrecy is contradictory nonsense.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
147. Made accessible after she was compelled to release them by legal action
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:05 PM
May 2016
What Hillary Clinton and the State Department Didn’t Say About Her Emails
Jason Leopold and Samuel Oakford
Vice News
March 10, 2015

During Clinton's time as Secretary of State, the State Department received at least a half-dozen FOIA requests for her emails covering various issues. But Clinton operated a private server out of her home, and her emails were not accessible to the FOIA analysts tasked with processing the requests. The State Department has failed to produce any records responsive to the requests, some of which date back five years. A spokesperson for State did not respond to repeated requests for comment from VICE News about whether any FOIA analyst asked Clinton's staffers to review and turn over emails for the purposes of responding to FOIA requests, or whether State issued any legal guidance indicating that her emails were exempt from FOIA.

Clinton's camp released a nine-page "statement" that attempts to answer all of the lingering questions associated with her use of the private email system. One question posed on the statement asks whether Clinton's use of private email still enabled the State Department to respond to FOIA requests. Clinton's office says yes but fails to provide any concrete examples. The examples her office did provide assert that turning over documents to the State Department last December demonstrates that she was able to respond to FOIA requests filed in 2010.

Dan Metcalfe, the founding director of the Justice Department's Office of Information Policy (OIP), which is supposed to ensure government agencies are complying with the FOIA, told VICE News it is clear to him that Clinton's exclusive use of private email was a "blatant circumvention of the FOIA [in addition to] the Federal Records Act by people on both sides of it who unquestionably knew better."


State Department Says Clinton Emails Won’t Be Released Until January 2016
Jason Leopold
Vice News
May 19, 2015

The State Department said it doesn't intend to make public roughly 55,000 pages worth of emails that belong to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton until January 15, 2016, two weeks before the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary.

Government lawyers disclosed the proposed date for the first time Monday night in court documents, in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed by VICE News last January, months before the controversy erupted over Clinton's use of private email to conduct official business during her tenure as Secretary of State. VICE News sought Clinton's emails and a wide range of other documents pertaining to her work as Secretary of State.

Clinton's use of personal email to conduct official business during her first four years as Secretary of State was first revealed by the New York Times last March, and has since snowballed into a potentially epic scandal. It has been widely reported that Clinton's decision to use private email was a means to thwart FOIA requests. Under federal law, Clinton's work-related emails would be considered government records and should be preserved on the State Department's servers in accordance with the Federal Records Act so that journalists, historians, and the public can access them.

During Clinton's time as Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, the State Department received at least a half-dozen FOIA requests for her emails covering various issues. But Clinton operated a private server out of her home, and her emails were not accessible to the FOIA analysts tasked with processing the requests. The State Department has failed to produce any records responsive to the requests, some of which dated back five years.


Judge Orders State Department to Release Clinton Emails on Rolling Basis
Jason Leopold
Vice News
May 19, 2015

A federal court judge Tuesday morning ordered the State Department to devise a schedule for releasing Hillary Clinton's emails on a rolling basis, rejecting a proposal the department made hours earlier to release all 55,000 pages on January 15, 2016.

US District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras also ordered the State Department to set an exact date for releasing 296 emails about the 2012 attacks on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. Those records were turned over to Republican lawmakers late last year and are the subject of a congressional investigation into the incident. Government lawyers said in court Tuesday morning that they expected these emails to be released within days or weeks.

Contreras set a May 26 deadline for the State Department to propose a new schedule for completing its review of Clinton's emails. He issued his order in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed by VICE News last January, seeking Clinton's emails and a wide range of other documents related to her tenure as secretary of state.


31,000 Emails That Hillary Clinton Tried to Delete Could Now Be Made Public
Reuters and VICE News
September 13, 2015

Hillary Clinton tried to delete tens of thousands of emails from the personal account she used during her time as secretary of state, but now it seems the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination is about to learn that the internet is forever.

Platte River, the Denver-based company that managed Clinton's server, told the Washington Post on Sunday that it has "no knowledge of the server being wiped," indicating that around 31,000 emails deleted by Clinton could be recovered and eventually made public as part of an ongoing FOIA lawsuit filed by VICE News senior investigative reporter Jason Leopold.

Under a federal judge's order, 15 percent of the 35,000 emails sent by Clinton on the private server are to be released every month. The process has been delayed by intelligence officials combing the messages for information that could be retroactively upgraded to classified status. About 150 of the 7,000 emails released on August 31 were censored because they contain information that the government says it now considers classified.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is examining the server to see whether any information, including classified information, was mishandled.


Mrs. Clinton's emails were subject to several FOIA request that were not met because she kept her records from the government. A court order and a congressional subpoena compelled the State Department and Mrs. Clinton to hand over documents. Mrs. Clinton attempted to destroy emails.

If you replaced "Secretary of State Hillary Clinton" with "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice" and left all the other facts the same, I have to think you'd come to a different conclusion.

You can feel however you want about this, but you don't get to have your own facts.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
155. They got them from backup on a cloud company.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016

Btw, they didnt have security clearance to see that info either. This is a BIG PROBLEM.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
154. She was trusted with that info.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:24 AM
May 2016

She went through training and signed a doc saying she understood the importance of the security clearances and then she ignored them. Every instance that she allowed someone to see a cl doc without clearance is call for indictment. Hell she gave her lawyer 4 of those docs on a thumdrive to turn over to investigators. He didnt have clearance. See the problem here?

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
59. Bernie is winding down so he's in the kitchen throwing
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

everything he can to make something stick. He's getting his A handed to him on twitter.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
60. Looks like Sanders learned something new.
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:24 PM
May 2016

State department employees who knew about the email system were instructed "never to speak of it again."

0rganism

(23,933 posts)
66. i don't think he ever said he wouldn't bring it up
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

he made what i think is a correct observation at the time: yes, the people are sick and tired of hearing about HRC's emails
assuming she gets the nomination,anyone who isn't sick and tired of hearing about her emails yet will be sick and tired of hearing about them by November

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
69. The information we have has changed
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

I think the chance she might be charged during the GE is a bigger risk than how she is doing in the polls.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
78. What an ugly, ugly hearted candidate.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

I for one an tired of hearing about Bernie Sanders, his bird, and his "movement."

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
112. This bogus narrative that you are trying to create is not foolong anyone.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders did not create Hillary's email/personal server issue. She did.
He and his campaign have never made it an issue.

On Bill Maher the other night he refused to comment on it.

Today on Face The Nation when asked about it he gave very reasonable answer.

The issue is not with Bernie Sanders or his campaign. Take it up with the networks who are airing the developing story and asking the questions. Take it up with your own candidate.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
119. You're telling me what to do, now?
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Clearly you don't know me very well.

I'm taking it up with your candidate, though thankfully I only have 9 more days during which it even matters.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
160. He answered a question
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016

...about an opponent's scandal by saying Americans will look at it and then he moved on.

Not ugly at all.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
81. I agree with the Senator. People should read it
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

And take a hard look. This makes no sense to hyper partisans, I get it. Party...country...that may very well be your choice

jillan

(39,451 posts)
82. Chuck Todd was pleading with him to attack her today on her emails. He wouldn't go there.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

All he said is we need to see what happens next and it's up to the voters to decide.

But whatever. Because if there is one thing Bernie supporters are upset with Bernie about is that he hasn't gone after those "damn emails".

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
167. Over eight years a member
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

and well over 99% of your posts within the last 90 days?

Excuse me:



No, wait:



Tarc

(10,476 posts)
93. Well to be fair, he hasn't campaigned on Emailgate itself, ever
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

Suggesting it is something voters should think about is pretty mild, comparative to how he could have run wit this bogus issue. Imagine for a moment of Bernie Sanders acted like those Bernie supporters in the DU that push Emailgate daily?

I'm willing to give him a pass on this one.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
96. It all comes together full circle in the Clinton Foundation.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

There has been an offer of immunity, aides deposed, then Guccifer comes along. Reestablishing the formerly erased emails has taken time and one Canadian laundering scheme through the Foundation has been verified. That's what we know...likely the tip of the iceberg.

Time to re-evaluate.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
105. Yes, if it wasnt for the perfidy of the dreaded berniebro, NOONE would be talking about it right now
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

Derp

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
113. Yes it is. Make the issues the other candidate who has bent
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

over backwards to not make the story an issue when it is your own candidates who is being investigated by several agencies on very serious n matters involving national security.

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
115. Sanders mistake was giving Hillary a pass to begin with
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

Probably changed his mind when they went after his wife

waterwatcher123

(144 posts)
117. Are you serious?
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:27 PM
May 2016

MS NBC and CNN had clip after clip of Hillary saying what she did with her private email server was standard practice at the State Department. Unfortunately, the Inspector General's report contradicts that assertion completely. So, she either has such an entitled opinion of herself that she does not have to pay attention to government standards, or she lied repeatedly. Either way, Hillary has a serious problem with this situation that going to go away through wishful thinking.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
120. When Bernie said that he was absolutely telling the interviewers don't go on with the email
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

thing. It's about the issues in this debate. The emails are being taken care of. He did not want them to get away from the issues in the debate period. It had nothing to do with him thinking that her emails were nothing. When are people going to understand that.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
121. "There is a process in place for the email situation that Hillary Clinton is dealing with. Let it
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

play itself out." - Bernie Sanders in CNN interview after the debate.



Well the process is starting to play itself out. Investigations are finally providing substantial information on what happened. Hillary got a giant gift when Bernie defused the whole email issue for her early in the election process. Now you're whining because that gift has finally run it's natural course.
 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
139. Bernie has not changed his position
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

Here's Bernie in January:

Bernie Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton’s Emails ‘A Very Serious Issue’
Elise Foley
Huffington Post
Jan 31, 2016

CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Sanders, an independent senator from Vermont, about his memorable “damn emails” remark in an October debate and whether it meant he didn’t think Clinton erred in her use of a private email account.

“Nope, nope. That is not, I think, a fair assessment,” Sanders replied on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “That is, I think, a very serious issue. There is a legal process taking place, I do not want to politicize that issue. It is not my style.”

He called the controversy “a serious issue” on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday as well, although again he said he wouldn’t make personal attacks on Clinton.

“I am not going to attack Hillary Clinton,” Sanders told NBC’s Chuck Todd. “The American people will have to make that judgment.”


Here's Bernie today:

Sanders on Clinton email server: Superdelegates 'keeping it in mind'
The Hill

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is still not jumping on rival Hillary Clinton's controversial private email server scandal, but said a recent report condemning her actions is something voters and superdelegates will have to take into account.

"Now, you're right — the inspector general just came out with a report; it was not a good report for Secretary Clinton. That is something that the American people, Democrats and delegates are going to have to take a hard look at," Sanders said in an interview on CBS News's "Face the Nation" Sunday. "But for me right now, I continue to focus on how we can rebuild a disappearing middle class, deal with poverty, guarantee healthcare to all of our people as a right."


Nothing has changed. The idea that Bernie is the party at fault or that he's done something untoward is ridiculous.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
126. Not an opportunist, a realist. More information came out about the e-mail situation.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

He has tried to keep it to the issues and the Clinton camp saw different. After the report just came out the e-mails have become an issue....National Security.....he has every right to bring it up.

Try to come up with something that is actually a valid problem before you start calling Bernie Sanders names because Hillary Clinton didn't want to follow the guidelines that she was supposed to follow. Hillary Clinton also didn't listen to what her boss, President Obama told her not to do which was to "not" use Sid as an advisor while she was in the SD but she did anyway. Those are issues.

Lokijohn

(46 posts)
141. Whats pathetic is her continual lying about this.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

The more we learn the worse she looks. I'm tired of all the lies.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
159. Not what he said.
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:41 AM
May 2016

Sanders was asked by Chuck Todd about Clinton's email scandal.

He said Americans "will" take a look at it, not "should."

Reasonable way to answer the question and move on to public policy.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
162. Circumstances change.
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:28 AM
May 2016

Desperate people, now worried they've fucked up by backing a lame horse, not so much.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
163. they're just running away from her
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016
Lynn Smith Miller ?@millerlynn7772
Los Angeles Times endorses Hillary Clinton in California Democratic primary http://upi.com/6316142t via @upi

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
166. I think Obama is holding out on endorsing her because he's waiting to the last minute to see
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

if the Justice Department goes after her.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
168. Agreed.
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

He has a legacy to consider, mixed (but on the balance, positive, IMO) as it is. His appointment of her as SoS will be forever seen as a low point--a political favor and nothing more. No reason to compound the damage.





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