Bernie or Bust Faithfull are Heroes to Me

[laserhaas]

It simply amazes me, how contrary to be a progressive, this whole paradigm is, of the "I'm with Her" diehards; no matter how much bad faith is documented; and how much loyalty to oligarh'ism, Hillary Rodham Clinton resume empirically denotes. Even worse, is the fact that her loyalists are not just opponents, but that they actually despise me, and others alike, because I'm for Bernie Sanders. Now there's so much hate here, at DU, against U.S. Bern'rs, there's even a thread lambasting Bern's or Bust as not being heroes.

Bern or Bust faithful, are heroes to me!

All things considered, here we are, loyal to a 70ish ole man, who has spent all his life, 99% of the time, on the progressive side of things, L O N G before doing so was popular; and because we dare to be democratic about the Democratic election, we are disparaged - regularly.

Do you not understand, Bern or Bust is a commitment to U.S.?

Have those who look down upon U.S., their fellow citizens, with such disdain, ever even considered the fact that you likely need our vote, to win the general election?

Is there any time, ever, of Hillarians taking the time to review Clinton's actions, speaking louder than words, of how she represented a rapist, or Walmart (that rapes all of U.S., including their workers - monetarily), or Monsanto?

Or how about the fact that she took millions of dollars - from foreigners - as Secretary of State?

That really doesn't bother you? ..................................... REALLY!

If Bernie had done 1/10th of those things that Hillary has done, we would never be backing the guy.

NEVER!

Bernie Sanders is one true, red white and blue American, so good at what he does, he gets 25% of Republicans, to vote for him, in Vermont. This is a guy that Hillary's loyal lambast for his wife's tenure at a school that gones bust, as if such were Senator Sanders fault;

but you find no fault at all - whatsoever - of Hillary's vanishing 30,000 emails, and that of her aides too....

REALLY????

The definitions of heroes, are warped, as the very 1st item in most dictionary's, online, state it is a "man" distinguished. So in that sense, neither I, nor half of Sanders followers, fit the bill. But as for the 3rd or 4th, define (depending on where you're looking) it states a heror is "someone who fights for a cause".

As I've been called both a Quixote and a hero, I'll own both the quixotic moniker and this latter denote of fighting for a cause.

To all my fellow Anonymous, 99%'rs, decent progressives and, especially, my fellow Bern'rs

THANK YOU - you are heroes to me - as those who are fighting a noble and just, cause.

As for Hillarians, you are diehard loyal to her, and that's your choice; because you've adopted a stance that "what difference does it make" for her email server, vanishing items, decades of workings with the dark side; and don't even care about things like ManPADs.

What difference does your posture make - to me - is a permanent line in the sand. Hillary Rodham Clinton took money from Goldman Sachs, who deliberately destroyed our eToys.com public company, and my career, with my daughter being abducted and an eToys shareholder (Robert Alber) having to shoot/kill, a career criminal, when he turned down their bribe.

Goldman Sachs partnered with Bain Capital, using a MNAT law firm partner, arranged to be the prosecutor over our case. https://www.justice.gov/archive/olp/colmconnollyresume.htm

And the Public Corruption Task Force was shut down, to cover all that up - with career federal prosecutors being ordered to silence (as was those who raised questions about Hillary's non government email server), while Eric Holder didn't do a DAM thing about it.http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/20/local/me-shakeup20

With Bernie Sanders, I have a 99% chance of getting a new U.S. Attorney General that will look into the matter.

Unfortunately, with Hillary Clinton, the opposite is more likely to be true. I'll have a 99% chance she will never look into the matter. She's been taking money from big oil, big pharma, foreign persons and Goldman Sachs. The chances she'll pick anything other than a female version of Eric Holder, is not even a rhetorical question. For dang sure, with her as President, I'm not ever going to see justice.

The fact that Hillarians don't care about that - due to the diehardiness - is just plain sick.

As for the general election - we'll see.

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[Metric System]

1. Mentioning the Arkansas rape case and ending with the Benghazi video. No shock you love Bernie or

Bust since it helps your side.

[laserhaas]

3. The Benghazi issue is something you should care about. 5000 ManPADs went missing, under her auspice.

And your inference that its wrong, to remark up a start fact, just demonstrates how obtuse you desire to be.

We have the right to vex bad faith people, with their bad faith acts.

[pinebox]

8. And yet you support a candidate who lied to the American public for over a year

[laserhaas]

39. The Dare-Devil, biker Bernie, is cute

[emulatorloo]

2. Personally, I'm not interested in enabling the Trump apocalypse.

Very rarely does the person I support in the Primary end up being the nominee.

Bernie came really close this time. Been a hell of a trailblazer and advocate. This movement is not over.

That being said, every person should vote their conscience.

IMHO that should includes some thought about those who would be most damaged by a Trump presidency.

[laserhaas]

5. My conscience is - if enough of U.S. write in Bernie

It won't matter what the DNC did.

[emulatorloo]

13. Laws vary from state to state regarding write-ins so be sure and check.

[laserhaas]

31. Actually, there's a team working on that issue - as we speak.

Can't wait to see the legalities - unfold.

[840high]

105. It should also include

some though about those who would be most damaged by a Hillary presidency.

[Bleacher Creature]

4. Nobody who helps elect Trump is a hero. nt

[laserhaas]

6. Well - you will get to eat your own words - on that one.

I'm betting your ram of her, down our throats, is more of a chance to elect the dark side.

Then it would have been, had you backed the real progressive - Bernie Sanders.

[Metric System]

7. Why are you making threats? More people voted for Hillary. Get over it.

[pinebox]

10. In a bubble.

You forget that.

[laserhaas]

16. There you go - with bullchit - there's NO threat here, only a remark to the contrary

stop being such a hater

[Alex4Martinez]

78. IMO...

The most ardent supporters, the blind supporters and super-delegates with them, are more responsible for the Trump presidency, if it happens, than Bernie Bros or the millions who decide to sit it out and not vote for her.

It is not the job of voters to support the mistakes of the party.

[laserhaas]

85. Agreed...but Im not going to call the names

Just because they think the way they do

[laserhaas]

86. Agreed..just like union membership

Doesnt agree with top brass speaking for all the members

[Alex4Martinez]

88. Union membership vs union bosses is the perfect parallel.

Hard working caring voters, screwed by entitled leadership, dizzy with power.

[laserhaas]

92. Concur

Elite v U.S. .......is always a struggle

[840high]

106. Sing it loud!

[laserhaas]

107. 1000%

[CorporatistNation]

98. AGREED! And...You Want Us To Vote For A Candidate With THIS Level Of Personal Character?

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[laserhaas]

100. Exqctly!...They release this report on a holiday weekend

In the hopes it will all be forgotten....by Tuesday.

We'll see.....

[pinebox]

9. The same logic can be applied that he's helping Hillary

If he doesn't vote for Trump wouldn't that help Hillary?
Same. Exact. Logic.

[Bleacher Creature]

27. Enough with that garbage.

The "0+0=0" crap has been debated ad nauseam here. Skinner himself has debunked it. If it isn't clear to you now, it never will be.

Hillary may not be your ideal candidate. I support her completely, and there are still plenty of things that I disagree with her on, or that give me pause. But anyone who has been so jaded by the primary to believe that she doesn't offer a better vision for everyone in this country who considers themselves left of center - including the most ardent liberals - has lost their mind.

[pinebox]

28. It's the same exact logic

Are you upset that 17 year olds are helping Trump too seeing as how they can't vote?

Does she offer a better vision than Trump? Sure. So did W. And?

[laserhaas]

30. Standing against the mob/bullying mentality - is never a mindset of the lost.

But rather of those who dare to fight for a cause, against the brow beating fray.

[Fawke Em]

52. Hillary is just as bad as Trump.

But for different reasons.

Trump is a buffoon who knows little to nothing, which could ruin our country.

But Hillary will have the backing of establishment Democrats and will mean-test Social Security, thus ruining it, with the support of half the Democrats and all the Republicans. She'll also have us at war with Iran so fast you're head will spin.

The fact is BOTH are horrible choices for our country, so it IS a "0+0=0" sum game.

[laserhaas]

57. Worse...with Trump his failings as a human being are obvious

With Hillary....1/2 Democratic party is already worshipping her...even if she will open up SS &go to war

[Demsrule86]

11. Trump agree with you

They are his heroes too...7 - 14 days and then bye bye to posts like this one.

[Maru Kitteh]

108. And posters, if they persist.

I think I'll start a countdown widget to June 16. Or write a song about it. Or maybe try to capture it in watercolors.

[Demsrule86]

109. that would be fun! nt

[YouDig]

12. They are heros to Trump.

[NCTraveler]

14. I voted for your first option. I think his supporters need to feel that way...

And I'm a nice gal.

😀

[laserhaas]

18. Good for you - 'NCTraveler'

[NCTraveler]

20. An overwhelming majority of them are fighting for a just cause.

[laserhaas]

23. I understand NCTraveler.

I just believe your heart is in the right place; but your head isn't (sometimes).

As it is written "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"

With her, expanding on the empirical (undeniables) - we are on the road to hell.

And Democrats will be blamed.

[NCTraveler]

25. I made an edit before you replied to make sure it was clear enough.

Sorry you had to take a weak shot in a positive conversation.

[laserhaas]

29. Its not a shot - NCTraveler - you quote her, as being the one, in your sig line

I believe all who are on board with Hillary, can't justify their actions - with sound logic.

And, as you can see from my notes, in the thread (that I've testified to - btw - under penalty of {many times}) - I've got good reason to worry; because my life, liberty and children's inheritance (stolen) - is on the line.

She took money from those who stole from me

Therefore, she has my money (though it may be .000000941 percent)

How would you feel, as a victim of Capone, who had your daughter abducted;
about anybody telling you it is Nitti's "time".

[NCTraveler]

33. I'm due beer and travel money. Nt

[laserhaas]

38. I've traveled throughout America, and my kids have been in 38 states.

As a byproduct of my being 'Laser the Liquidator'.

I've given to wine, more than beer (except, maybe, a Heiniken or 2 - on my birthday.

Which is 10/31 - btw - as most say that explains alot.

[NCTraveler]

45. "Laser the Liquidator"

I believe I know what you mean when you say that.

If so, successful ones are some of the most intense and hardest working people I have ever come across. Both physically and mentally.

[laserhaas]

55. You're too kind...thanks...My job has been 1 case for 15 yrs

Getting back what Goldman Sachs and Bain Capital stole.

Ive got confessions to lying under oath to chief justice

Who said she doesnt care.

[dlwickham]

77. Since when is electing Trump a just cause

[laserhaas]

82. What gives you any right to say the ...backing of bernie

Is electing Drumph

[Demsrule86]

15. Your movement can not survive a Trump presidency

So think hard on that. The GOP packs the courts...it is over. All the progress since Roosevelt gone. Millions would die. I am not exaggerating...

[laserhaas]

19. On the contrary, the "movement" is a revolution against manifest injustice - oligarchy

Surely you don't wish that - to demise?

[sufrommich]

17. Well,Trump loves him some BoBs,so you've got that going for you.

[hrmjustin]

21. Bernie or bust are no heroes to me.

[laserhaas]

37. That logic, and your thread titled same, is why I wrote this retort.

Your thread stated - boldly - what you think of me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2078454

And my retort, is what I think of the whole process.

I'm not voting Trump, nor am I voting Hillary (actually - die is cast)

Because, IMO - in DEMOCRATIC America - neither of them are fit.

[hrmjustin]

40. You won't get sympathy from me and you know my opinion.

[laserhaas]

41. Sad state of affairs 'hrmjustin' - in so many ways

But I'm use to being the reject - and lone wolf.

Has always been that way

...... will always be that way.

[hrmjustin]

42. What is sad is how Bernie or bust helps trump but you don't see thst.

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[laserhaas]

56. I see you defend an evil wueen while accusing U.S. who fight her

Of doung the very thing you are doing..

Putting a nation at risk because of emotion

I stead of having common sense

[hrmjustin]

58. Wueen?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. If I had to choose between Otto Wels and Donald Trump I would have voted for Chairman Wels.

Everything else is commentary.

[laserhaas]

26. First of all, there's still a chance, Mitt is coming. Secondly, given the choices, I'd rather have

Romney, instead of the other 2.

Hillary will have U.S. Dems, fighting each other - and the GOP being glorified, all the while.

With Mitt there - I can target him - and the press just might pay attention.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Romney would be Ludwig Kass in that analogy.

I would support him against Hitler, too... Hell , I would have supported Ernst Thalmann, the Communist, and prayed for the best.

To recap if I was a Verman citizen in 1932 I would have voted for

First choice- Otto Wels (Social Democratic Party of Germany)

Second choice -Ludwig Kaas -(Centre Party)

Third Choice-Ernst Thalmann - (Communist Party)

[laserhaas]

36. Understand.

I've no choice - in the matter.

[BootinUp]

24. Bernie or Busters are Human Tire Fires

https://medium.com/SaraJBenincasa/im-voting-for-the-democrat-in-november-because-i-m-not-a-human-tire-fire-4a3f48dff372#.8nc9rexrs

[baldguy]

32. BoBs are Trumpists. Without question.

Phony "progressives" who refuse to support the progressive Democratic candidate who WILL be the nominee of the Democratic Party. Trump loves them.

[laserhaas]

35. Hmmm, let's take a look at that (perverted) sense of logic.

I'm going to write in Bernie's name, no matter what; because I'm a Progressive, votig for a Progressive.

And you - dare to tell me, call me, a faux progressive - condescendingly; because my vote for anyone else - but your gal - makes me a Trumpists.

As it is, odds likely, you are going to get your way, with her the nominee - we'll really see.

It seems to me that Trump, like Hillary, is the one afraid to debate Bernie, in California.

And those actions, speak much louder, than your bogus words, haughtily

[baldguy]

87. "How dare you!" You'd allow a true fascist to win the election just to spite Hillary Clinton.

"How dare you!", indeed.

[laserhaas]

96. The argument BBC ghat you are the one who dares..

Is much more valid...than we're the ones.

Your pushing an oligarch ..haughty..her turn down our throats...with tons of baggage

And Im active for a true progressive

[basselope]

47. Hillary is not a progressive.

She is what is wrong with the democratic party.

[laserhaas]

59. Concur

Greatly concur

[Joob]

43. I'm not allowing a Trump Presidency, the people voting for Hillary are. Bernie or Bust.

I'm going to stand up for what I value and believe in as many others are. Bernie sends a message for people to stand up and take action. That a President can never do anything alone. That a President will need the people. And I'll be damned if I ever vote Hillary just because of Trump.

No. I want this lesser of two evil shit to end and many others do too. I believe in people and their values.
I believe a lot of people are waking up because of Bernie Sanders. Think about that. They aren't waking up because of Hillary or Donald. We will stand up and fight corruption and bigotry. A president can't do that alone.

No matter what happens, nothing will get done if we keep giving in to corruption.
Nothing will ever get done if money continues to influence candidates.
I will fight that throughout the election, that includes fighting Hillary if she wins the nomination.

[gollygee]

44. I think they're self-absorbed jackasses. N/t

[basselope]

46. In many ways the Bernie Or Bust meme is made up.

Clinton was never a consideration for my vote. NEVER. I didn't vote for her husband, I didn't vote for Obama or Kerry (Gore and Dukakis were the only democratic presidential votes I cast in my lifetime).

The ONLY thing that made me decide to register democratic was Bernie Sanders joining the party. I will change my registration as soon as the primary is over.

The democratic party abandoned its values back in the 90s when it became the party of big business. When the democratic president declared "the era of big government is over", just solidifying the nonsense that government is a bad thing and can't do anything right.. when if you worked in the business world for 5 minutes, you would find out that ANY large company is EXACTLY the same.

I am guessing there are very few (if anyone) who considered voting for Clinton and then decided, that's it, "I'm Bernie or Bust". People have simply adopted this as way of expressing that we are not voting for another corporate candidate. We didn't plan to and no amount of fear mongering is going to change it. If you want our vote, you put forth a candidate that shares our values. If you don't want our vote.. go with Clinton and enjoy 4 years of Trump.

[laserhaas]

65. Fear mongering..brow beating...mud slinging

Or oppression ejectings ...could ever assuage U.S. from our bereavement for the demise of America and the Democratic party.

I stand up each and every day...giving the finger to Sachs, Romney and the DOJ corrupt that protects them

They will never take away my devotion to calling them into account...

[Vinca]

48. I love Bernie and have for decades, but if he's not the nominee you have to consider

the actual choices. One is sane and the other is insane. I don't agree with the sane person much of the time, but she's definitely safer around the nuclear codes. Trump could start WWIII and he'll be so self-obsessed he won't realize he's done it.

[gollygee]

49. He'd probably think it was awesome because it would earn him a huge place in history books

Just think of all the books and movies that would be made about him if he started as big a war as Hitler started!

Assuming there would still be people around to write the books and movies.

[laserhaas]

60. I disagree....

Much

[Vinca]

68. Well, no complaints from you if Trump becomes POTUS and ruins the country.

[laserhaas]

69. You have no dignity...nor do you have authority

Your remark wasnt on running the country

It was on who would be quicker..to pull the Nuke trigger

[Vinca]

74. Okay . . . I see incineration of the species doesn't bother you.

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And what's any of this got to do with "dignity?" Or "authority?" Strange remark.

[laserhaas]

81. Awhpooh

My avatar speaks of this.

You dont see us Bern'rs calling you names...and saying your anti American...because you wont vote for Bernie

Nor do we scream..condescend

We just tell you who we are...and back a good man

[AtomicKitten]

50. Remember when Trump said he could shoot someone in Time Square and would not lose any support?

The IG report came out yesterday verifying that Hillary lied through her teeth about her private server and emails all last year. What was the result? Her camp immediately parsed the report, actually claiming it validated her lies. And the lies didn't phase a single one of her supporters here. Just business as usual. To me, it shows how untrustworthy Hillary is, that she will lie about anything and everything, and would be as secretive as Nixon. No thanks. I'm a lifelong Democrat, have worked for the party for many years, and I'm saying no to this bullshit. The party has been taken over by Clinton Corporate Democrats. They jammed her down our throats and they are on their own.

[laserhaas]

61. Can find no fa7lt with your logic..but it's a sad state of affairs

[Fawke Em]

51. From the looks of polling around here, this place is going to be dead as a doornail

if Clinton becomes the nominee.

But, Hillary fans have been longing for their bubble and will continue to ignore the brewing unsecured server mess until it blows up in their faces and they can't ignore it.

[laserhaas]

62. To me (outside of ManPADs) the bigger issue is the charity

Her charity (Foundation) took in many millions of dollars ....while she was Sec. Of State....from foreigners she presided over.

We use to call it something else

.........when heads of state took in millions of dollars

Just ask Senator Stevens (went to jail over a chair)

Or Traficant ( who went over a rent-a-car)

...or Governor Siegelman who still is in ..for less

[liberal_at_heart]

53. I would say everybody involved including the voters, OWS, Bernie, and

even people like Elizabeth Warren have the courage of their convictions. The word heroic is a bit strong although I would consider the people willing to go jail during OWS were pretty heroic. I'm almost willing to put Bernie and Elizabeth into that category too because instead of taking the easy way out in order to become rich and ensure they keep their jobs they are willing to turn down millions of dollars in easy money and risk their job in order to fight for workers, the poor, and the disabled. Not many people have the character to do that.

[laserhaas]

63. Totally agree

World class examples of great character

[qdouble]

54. Donald Trump thanks you for your support

[laserhaas]

64. This is where you Hillarians need a pie throw battle

Nobody is supporting Trump

Other than the ones who believe she has a better chance than Bernie does...because they dont care how much baggage she has

But Trump sure will

[qdouble]

67. If you are advocating that you or other people should not vote for the Democratic nominee

you are essentially supporting Trump.

[laserhaas]

70. If I write in Bernie's name..Im voting for Bernie

And your logic assumes many things

Including the dynamic that Mitt's not coming

[qdouble]

72. You're going to vote for Bernie even after he ends his campaign?

It's a waste of time basically, but once again, if you're not advocating that democrats actually vote for the party's nominee, it achieves the same thing as being a Trump soupporter

[laserhaas]

101. Wrong

And We're all fighting over hypothetics

Its not there....yet

[joshcryer]

66. What the fuck is going on?

[laserhaas]

71. A thread..anti BoB was getting too much hoopla

So..being that I've always been on the wrong side of the tracks....I posted this one....of my opine....retortive

[joshcryer]

79. This shit is crazy.

I've never seen DU this way before.

[laserhaas]

80. Weve never had Dems brow beat other Dems before

And no one is going to bully me or anyone else around me

[barrow-wight]

73. This poll doesn't even make any sense.

The point of a poll is to gauge opinions. This poll essentially only allows for one overarching mindset. Nice echo chamber you've got there.

[laserhaas]

83. Makes sense to 70 other people

They're sayin...

[barrow-wight]

84. Yeah, same-minded people. But that's not the point of a poll.

[zappaman]

75. This Memorial Day weekend, let's remember the real heroes...

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The Bernie or bust contingent.

[MyNameGoesHere]

76. Those little yellow minions are my heroes

Makes as much sense as this diatribe, poll, unicorn worship. Not sure what it is really.

[ZombieHorde]

89. I would like to vote for Bernie,

but I will vote against Trump if that is the situation I find myself in.

[laserhaas]

90. And you have that right...unequivocally

Unless...of course...Trump is not the only option

It's a strange year

......and it ain't over.....yet

[center]
Just sayin.....

[ZombieHorde]

91. This has been a strange year.

I think people should vote their conscience and logic, whatever that may be.

[laserhaas]

102. Correct

And conscience is the right word

[laserhaas]

93. Thing is....the lines are notbyet drawn

Mitt's probably coming

[democrattotheend]

94. Not to me, and I am a Bernie supporter

I think your post draws a false dichotomy. Yes, Bernie is 1000 times better than Hillary in a lot of respects. Yes, I would much rather have him as president than Hillary. And yes, everyone who has been fighting the good fight on his behalf is to be commended.

But Bernie or Bust is not about getting Bernie nominated over Hillary or getting Bernie elected president. Bernie or Bust is about refusing to vote for Hillary in the general election if Bernie is not on the ballot, which, at least for swing state voters, will do nothing but potentially enable Donald Trump to become president. And as someone who supports Bernie and all that he stands for, I refuse to play any part in allowing a racist meglomaniac to get into the White House.

I have periodically flirted with the idea of casting a protest vote in November, but only because I live in a solid blue state. If I lived in a swing state I wouldn't even have to think about it.

[Joob]

95. I have a different stance, I refuse to let that kind of thinking go ignored.

I refuse to let people stand aside for corruption and bigotry. I want what Bernie wants.

I want to wake people up and stand up for Democracy. We need to know our political system inside and out to stand and fight with it. Not ignore it because Corruption vs Bigotry.

So what? Are with left with two options? Fight Bigotry or Fight corruption?


Why can't we have both options??

[laserhaas]

99. We do...that's what being a diehard Berner..is

Another choice

Instead of Capone or Nitti

[Joob]

103. I know, I lead people on with thought, so they come to their own conclusion

instead of my own. Works better, because people think without being told to

[laserhaas]

104. Very kind and considerate...of you

[laserhaas]

97. Yes...I have the right to be Bern...ONLY

The bust is all who aren't...to allow her highness to be the choice..come hell or high water