2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumReich, Moore etc folding like a cheap suit hardly furthers the causes they profess to support.
Bernie is out there trying to demand changes for the people without any backup from people who profess to believe in what he stands for.
A lot is being exposed this election cycle.
Note: And if this was REALLY about beating Trump, you would be doing EVERYTHING you could to nominate the stronger candidate.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)You Berners sure are a fickle bunch!
I wonder how long it would take you to turn on President Sanders the minute he did something you didn't agree with? I give it less than a year before calls for a primary opponent in 2020. Hell, maybe 6 months.
Alas, we'll never know.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Response to Skwmom (Reply #5)
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Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)He asks his supporters to vote for Clinton.
MH1
(17,573 posts)than Robert Reich.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/robert-reich-its-time-for-clinton-and-sanders-supporters-to-swallow-some-tough-medicine/#.V0oJM67peNg.facebook
Thats unlikely. Rarely if ever in history has a sharp swing to the right moved the political pendulum further back in the opposite direction. Instead, it tends to move the center rightward, as did Ronald Reagans presidency.
Besides, Trump could do huge and unalterable damage to America and the world in the meantime.
Finally, some of you say even if Hillary is better than Trump, youre tired of choosing the lesser of two evils, and youre going to vote your conscience by either writing Bernies name in, or voting for the Green Party candidate, or not voting at all.
I cant criticize anyone for voting their conscience, of course. But your conscience should know that a decision not to vote for Hillary, should she become the Democratic nominee, is a de facto decision to help Donald Trump.
Both of my morsels of advice may be hard to swallow. Many Hillary supporters dont want Bernie to keep campaigning, and many Bernie supporters dont want to root for Hillary if she gets the nomination.
But swallow it you mustnot just for the good of the Democratic Party, but for the good of the nation.
Who is Robert Reich? (because some of you don't seem to know)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich
Reich is currently Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley. He was formerly a professor at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government[2] and professor of social and economic policy at the Heller School for Social Policy and Management of Brandeis University. He has also been a contributing editor of The New Republic, The American Prospect (also chairman and founding editor), Harvard Business Review, The Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.
Reich is a political commentator on programs including Hardball with Chris Matthews, This Week with George Stephanopoulos, CNBC's Kudlow & Company, and APM's Marketplace. In 2008, Time magazine named him one of the Ten Best Cabinet Members of the century,[3] and The Wall Street Journal in 2008 placed him sixth on its list of the "Most Influential Business Thinkers".[4] He was appointed a member of President-elect Barack Obama's economic transition advisory board.[5] Until 2012, he was married to British-born lawyer, Clare Dalton, with whom he has two sons, Sam and Adam.[6]
He has published 14 books, including the best-sellers The Work of Nations, Reason, Supercapitalism, Aftershock: The Next Economy and America's Future, and a best-selling e-book, Beyond Outrage. He is also chairman of Common Cause and writes his own blog about the political economy at Robertreich.org.[7] The Robert ReichJacob Kornbluth film Inequality for All won a U.S. Documentary Special Jury Award for Achievement in Filmmaking at the 2013 Sundance Film Festival in Utah.
Oh, right, I guess if his opinion differs from yours, it's not because of education or experience, he's just a "sellout".
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I am not impressed by resumes.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Thanks for the example.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)WHEN CALLED UPON BY THEIR RING MASTERS TO DO SO. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
IF THEY DO NOT "PLAY BALL" THEY WILL NO LONGER BE APPEARING ON THESE NETWORK SHOWS. SIMPLE AS THAT!
I think that they are having to "fold" a little early due to this sort of news that is just beginning to drop...
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)isn't that a de facto decision to help Hillary Clinton?
His, and many, many peoples' logic is flawed.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Reich, Moore, etc. are not being traders, they are being pragmatic.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Both are economically stable enough to survive more years of neo-liberalism. Most of the population of this nation is not in that position.
I will vote my conscience in November.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)But the REAL working Americans have been "riding it out" for 30-40 years now. In that time we have had 2 Democritic presidents for 8 years each and they DIDN'T fix the system to work for the average American. And now these knuckleheads tell them to wait just a bit longer. That is a pant load.
I think the waiting is done. How many decades do they want people to wait it out working 2 or 3 jobs? What is wrong with them?
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)For six years of their terms as well as a hostile media for all eight.
Call me in the mid-terms when the Bernie brigade shows up to vote.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Here's what Clinton did to help the middle class. HE did it. He is proud of it. He BRAGS on it.
Most of the mess we are in today is because of Clinton's legacy.
The first thing Obama did when he got into office was to appoint Wall Street/GoldmanSachs people to his cabintet. Hell, HE had 2 of the major archetects of the big crash, Geithner and Summers, to his treasury. That was not congress. . .that was HIS CHOICE. He told you RIGHT THERE who he was and what he was about. So did Clinton. But they BLAMED it all on congress. And YOU bought it. Too bad for you. Smart, unbiased people see through their deception.
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)I blame the media.
The GOP and conservatives are just trying to secure power, that's the same thing the Democrats and every other party is trying to do.
The media on the other hand has failed, deliberately, to fulfill its constitutional mandate.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)they are showing their true colors.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)on many of us, not them, but us. So it's easy for them to sit back and judge us.
BootinUp
(47,085 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Where you starting cutting the heads off of people that agree with you but just not hard enough?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)That is why she is winning in a landslide. Yes, this is a landslide. I think it's record breaking. I don't remember any candidate this far ahead of their opponent ever in history.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)They, like most, know that we out our squabbles behind once the primary is done.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)The people are almost finished choosing a candidate.
It likely won't be Bernie despite the support he received from the grass roots and many high profile Democrats.
Not ever candidate is destined to win.