BS cheerleaders feel Bill Clinton is fair game, get the vapors over Jane Sanders

[SFnomad]

For months, we've seen the BS cheerleaders attack Bill Clinton over Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, among other thing. Nothing has been too low or off limits and this place has felt more like Free Republic than DU.

Now that some Secretary Clinton supporters are going after Jane Sanders for the role she played in the bankruptcy of Burlington College, these same BS cheerleaders are suddenly getting the vapors over bringing up a candidate's spouse ... can you say hypocrisy much?

[bobbobbins01]

1. Hillary has said Bill will have a role in her administration.

Bernie has made no such claims. So no hypocrisy.

[SFnomad]

8. Both candidate's spouses have been on the campaign trail supporting their spouses

and doing campaign stops ... both spouses put themselves out there ... both should have to deal with those decisions.

[bobbobbins01]

10. No, not anywhere near the same.

Supporting someone and having an active role are totally different. She is being a good wife and supporting her husband, while the other will have a say in policy.

[SFnomad]

12. There are always excuses why it's ok for one but not the other, should have put that in the OP too

[bobbobbins01]

13. You don't see that as a distinction?

So if their children appear on stage, are they fair game too?

[SFnomad]

16. See post #9 ... bravenak did an excellent job of explaining it (far better than I have)

As to children, if they simply on stage ... no. If they're out there acting as surrogates ... yes.

[Generic Brad]

43. Well, there have been Sanders surrogate attacks on Clinton's son-in-law

That sends the message to me that in-laws are apparently fair game in Sanders world.

[thesquanderer]

24. It's potentially hypocrisy, but only if you can find the SAME Bernie supporter making both arguments

[SFnomad]

33. There hasn't been a single BS cheerleader that has said ... hey, I'm not a hypocrite, I think both

are fair game. And there have been several that have made excuses why it has been ok to go after only Bill.

[bravenak]

9. She is a high level surrogate and is recieving benefits by working on his campaign

She spent a significant amount of time attacking Hillary on the cable talk shows. She is fair game unless she takes herself out of the game. Open your mouth and start finger pounting, and one will find a thousand pointing back.

We do not have to sit in silence while Hillary and Bill are attacked day in day out. That is over. As days go on you will find that nothing Bernie or Jane says or does will Not end up being parsed out and completely without context. It gets worse in the general, so if you are already too sensitive to handle this, Trump will yell it loudly day in day out in th bldest terms possible and wont care one white what you think.

Sh put herself in and will be attacked on her history. She judges and shall be judged. Bernie too. This will be the week that the establishment say fuck this shit and starts lobbing bombs.

[DesertRat]

19. Well said

Thank you!

[bravenak]

20. No prob

[joshcryer]

23. Heh

[rock]

36. Excellent

As always.

[NWCorona]

40. The problem I have is the petty attacks. About her looks or siding with Joe Arpaio over Jane.

The college stuff is fair game.

[azurnoir]

58. lol so much for unity

[OwlinAZ]

17. True. It is Trump who keeps bringing up Clinton's

indiscretions. Sanders supporters have more important things to talk about.

[oberliner]

26. Bernie has said that Jane is and has been a key political advisor

I would think she would likely have a similar role as FL.

[CorporatistNation]

55. ABSOLUTELY... AND... Do We Want More of THIS?

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[BootinUp]

2. Stop making apples to apples comparison! nt

[LanternWaste]

60. I'm not too confident you know what "stop", "comparison", or "making" actually means.

I'm not too confident you know what "stop", "comparison", "making" or "apples to oranges" actually means.

[BootinUp]

66. Well then. You are entitled to your lack of confidence. nt

[Yurovsky]

3. Last time I checked, Bill was a politician...

Jane Sanders was not.

But go ahead... I've lowered the bar WRT my expectations of decency from Tem Clinton plenty of times, I reckon I'll continue to do so in the future.

[JoePhilly]

4. They think the GOP would leave Jane alone just like Hillary has done.

[mythology]

5. If you're going to complain about hypocrisy

shouldn't you not refer to Sanders supporters as cheerleaders? It seems hypocritical to me to use name calling like that when in the same sentence you refer to Clinton supporters as just that, supporters. The silly name calling doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[AgingAmerican]

6. Translation: Hillary supporters have the vapors over Jane Sanders

[LanternWaste]

62. Conflating 'translation' and 'invalid inference' is a common mistake

Conflating 'translation' and 'invalid inference' is a common mistake. I certainly hope you learn from your mistake. Education is a wonderful tool.

[AgingAmerican]

64. Vapors 101

Quick! The smelling salts!

[PowerToThePeople]

7. NAFTA, Welfare reform, WAR on "crime"

Are not too low.

They are public policies that have decimated huge swaths of the population.

I could not care less about "personal" matters.

[Triana]

11. Bill Clinton is a former President. Jane Sanders is not. n/t

[GRhodes]

14. On the one hand

you have a former Democratic president that was instrumental in pulling his party to the right in decades past, a person that opened the doors to corporate interests and rose up with Koch and Walton money. A person that put in place one right wing policy after another (NAFTA, the WTO, the Telecommunications Act, gutting New Deal financial regulations, "welfare reform", harsh sentencing laws, even was working on privatizing Social Security but then had to ditch the idea because of the Lewinsky scandal, etc.).

On the other hand, you have the wife of a candidate that maybe (I find it hard to justify researching another Brock led fake "scandal" which may or may not be true, since you all have lied and overblown so much this election cycle, which has helped to create the perception that Clinton shouldn't be trusted) made some bad decisions in a former job at a university. If you all didn't have a record of blatantly lying as much as you have, I might bother researching the Jane Sanders thing. If you want to equate the two, go ahead. It's a foolish argument.

"can you say hypocrisy much?"

No, the two aren't comparable. If you think that Jane Sanders maybe doing what you claim would have a huge bearing on your life, go ahead. I think, personally, that you should have uniform standards and if THAT is something that concerns you, I'd love to hear your justification for voting for Clinton, given all that she and her husband have done. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that the stuff Clinton did had a horrible impact on working people and the poor, and that, him and his wife getting massive amounts of money from corporations and banks and then putting in place policies that benefited those groups are on another level. Everyone outside the Clinton bubble can see this too, by the way.

[Demsrule86]

28. not true

If Jane lied on mortgage documents, she could be prosecuted. It is illegal. If Bernie pressured the bank to make the loan...as a sitting US Senator, it is called corruption...and ironically he was using his influence to affect the bank-..this is what he accuses Hillary of doing ...was there a quid pro quo? Who knows. But the entire thing is fair game...this could be serious and both Sanders get a ticket to Camp Fed.

[GRhodes]

56. Not at all on the same level

Even if she did as you say (and given how much the Clinton team and the DNC has lied, I have zero interest in researching the matter and am prone to initially not believe this type of stuff as a result), how in the heck do you compare that to passing NAFTA, the WTO, gutting New Deal financial regulations, deregulating derivatives, destroying social programs the poor depended on, pushing to privatize Social Security, harsh sentencing laws, pushing for prison privatization, etc? My god, how many things with the Clinton Foundation alone dwarf those relatively small potatoes with Jane Sanders, involve dictators and quid pro quo corrupt deals involving millions of dollars, and that is assuming she did as you say she did.

[Armstead]

30. +10000

Jane Sanders and the college board came up with a plan to grow the college. It was a bad decisin because things did not fall into place as they thought they would.

Not good, but no different than what happens to institutions and their leaders all the time.

Now Bill Clinton, on the other hand basically enrolled the Democratic Party into the Corporate/Wall St. Reagan "free market neoliberal" agenda, helped to gut the social safety net,couldn't control his damn hormones, set up a baroque foundation with shadowy connections......and amassed a fortune worth millions and millions of dollars in the process.

Apples and oranges.

[CrowCityDem]

18. As long as Bernis says he's still running to win, he needs to be treated like everyone else.

[beachbumbob]

21. Virtue of truth of the sanders and Jane not so much these days

Jane is hiding, sanders deflecting..the Bernie is being reveal for what he is...a con man

[procon]

22. Jane Sanders plays an active role in Sanders campaign,

why should she be exempt from scrutiny and criticism? The taxes remain AWOL, and her decisions that bankrupted the college are in question, as is the bank arrangement which may have been facilitated by political pressure from Bernie's office.

If it's good for the gander, it also good for the goose.

[Demsrule86]

25. I actualy put some on ignore

over those sort of posts...they were vile. When they survived juries (how?) I put those that traded in such filth on ignore...just because I didn't want to see stuff like that.

[Renew Deal]

27. Didn't Bernie have a role in getting the loans?

That's what makes it relevant

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. The allegation is...

The allegation is Senator Bernie Sanders ( I VT) used the power and prestige of his office to pressure a local bank to make a fraudulent loan to a college his wife represented that resulted in its bankruptcy when they were unable to repay the loan.

At this point it is only an allegation and the senator and his wife are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

[Thinkingabout]

31. Having one's spouse running for president does not exclude the them from

Following the rules and regulations of this nation. Her actions while she was president of Burlington College and now the college has closed under the financial burden. If there is bank fraud here then it should be and is going to be investigated, she does not get immunity.

[99Forever]

32. Clinton people, classy like always.

Makes Richard M Nixon look like a choir boy.

[B Calm]

34. Don't you get tired of defending the Clintons? I grew tired after NAFTA,

but came back and defended during the impeachment trial. I'm sick and tired of defending them! I just wish they would fade away somewhere in the north woods in the state of New York.

[SFnomad]

44. So we should just reward the Republicans by throwing our people under the bus if they go after

them enough? JHC, I'm sure glad I don't have to depend on you to watch my back.

[B Calm]

45. They had their time in the spotlight, time for them to fade away.

[CorkySt.Clair]

35. Happy to rec

People sure do get nasty when you get in the way of their "free stuff" from Saint Bernie.

[B Calm]

37. "free stuff" from Saint Bernie. Has anyone told you that you sound like a Republican?

[CorkySt.Clair]

38. Rage on, Berner

[B Calm]

39. You are clearly making yourself way too transparent. Welcome to du.

[CorkySt.Clair]

41. Awwwwww

[beachbum bob]

42. goes back to why is jane hiding from questions

sanders wont answer either....and what is so awful in their tax returns they are afraid to release them??

these are fair issues and would normally be part of the national vetting process that so far has not happened with sanders....if this is the sanders response....they are in pretty big hot water

[NWCorona]

46. Up vote for the Biz Markie reference! Jane is fair game but Bill actually created policy.

[workinclasszero]

47. Is Bernie hiding Jane in the same place as their tax returns?

Come out, come out wherever you are Jane!

[Henhouse]

53. Is Bernie going to ask Jane to return the $200,000 golden parachute? nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. Someone light years more respectable than you posted about this yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2081470

[SFnomad]

49. Hardly "more respectable" .. just another BS apologist trying to sweep things under the rug n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. Go to his profile page and look at the posts he recs. BS apologist my ass.

Wow. You're a piece o' work.

[dchill]

51. "can you say hypocrisy much?"

Can you? I well remember when Jane Sanders was President, and did all that stuff with Monica in the Oval... Oh, wait. Never mind.

[Silver_Witch]

52. There is one large difference!

Bernie is not running his wife as a co-president or saving he will make her Czar of jobs! HILLARY IS!!!!!

Jane is not out campaigning for her hiusband and shaking her finger at people BILL CLINTON IS!!

See the difference now.

[HassleCat]

54. I guess making a business mistake is illegal or unethical

Jane Sanders tried to do too much with too little, and it didn't work. I'm not sure why she is being attacked for this. I'm not sure why Bill Clinton is attacked for his infidelity, either, since he is no longer the president.

[CorkySt.Clair]

57. So true

[alarimer]

59. Bill Clinton was once President and his policies continue to do damage

So, yeah, he is fair game.

[wyldwolf]

61. Bernie followers? Hypocrisy? NO WAY!

[AgingAmerican]

63. Clinton is a former president

You do know that......right?

[SFnomad]

65. Emphasis on former .. he's not running for office. Either both are fair game or neither

BS cheerleaders want to have their cake and eat it too ... just like with everything else.

[nc4bo]

67. POTUS Jane Sanders to assist with Bernie Sanders' economic policy. nt

[realmirage]

69. Bill can run a country, Jane can't run a University