If Bernie was a Female

[RobertEarl]

Imagine that. If a woman who had the same sensibilities as Bernie was running for president, wouldn't she have won already?

It is obvious a lot of the Hillary support is because of the glass ceiling. And I can't say I blame women for wanting to see a woman break that ceiling.

If Hillary had close to the same ideas and practices as Bernie, he probably wouldn't have even run, he'd be supporting her and this whole election kerfuffle would be all but over.

So, Ladies, might I suggest yall find and nurture a female candidate who is more like Bernie and primary him 4 years from now?

[JoePhilly]

1. Talking down to female voters ... brilliant move there.

I hope Bernie runs an ad using your logic.

[Maru Kitteh]

143. I for one am looking forward to our "man-splaining" overlords

[Peacetrain]

2. Robert Earl I cannot believe you actually posted this

"If Bernie was a Female

Imagine that. If a woman who had the same sensibilities as Bernie was running for president, wouldn't she have won already?

It is obvious a lot of the Hillary support is because of that glass ceiling. And I can't say I blame women for wanting to see a woman break that ceiling.

If only Hillary was close to the same practices as Bernie, he probably wouldn't have even run, he'd be supporting her and this whole election kerfuffle would be all but over.

So, Ladies, might I suggest yall find and nurture a female candidate who is more like Bernie to primary him 4 years from now?"

That is so dismissive .. . I voted Obama 8 years ago.. I am a woman..and now that have decided that I will back Hillary I am just voting to break a glass ceiling.. God give me strength

[coco77]

56. I don't see what is the problem...

Most are voting for because she is a woman.

[Peacetrain]

67. I am a woman.. and I am not voting for her because she is a woman

She is the best in the race that we have now.. and I did not vote for Hillary last time because I thought Obama was the best for the times that were then.. so saying women are voting their ovaries is insulting.. demeaning.. and stupid.. and most women are not voting Hillary because she is a woman.. where do you get off with that crapola..

[coco77]

72. She is the best in your opinion..

and many women are voting for her because she is a woman and the think it is her time. Before Hillary announced her candiacy I told some of my friends if i started hearing her use a being a woman or relating everything to women there would be a problem.

On one hand she wants to be looked at as an equal then when someone attacks her she plays the woman card which i knew the republiCONS would use against her.

[Peacetrain]

74. She is an equal.. she does not "have to look like it"

DO you stop and read stuff before you post.. and yes she needs to hit back if someone can only relate by demeaning her because she is a woman.. her skills less than.. throw everything you got at them when they do that..

She does NOT play the woman card.. she refuses to be demeaned as less than because she is a woman


Edit to add... this whole "womans card" meme is just a way to get out of being called to the floor for not letting someone get away with it..

[Peacetrain]

76. Just let this one stand

Your post.. 10:02 on May30, 2016

"Will she start crying..

once Trump begins his attacks. Yes I read my posts. She is not being demeaned because is a woman she is being attacked for what she does or does not do. You are proving my point every time someone says something about her she runs to the "Woman card." "

[coco77]

77. LOl!

I also would like to add. In her stump speeches Hillary runs off her list of things she will do for women. I have four sons...and one daughter. What does she have for my sons????

[obamanut2012]

114. And... THERE it is

[Marr]

118. There's what? /nt

[Hortensis]

83. Just another excuse to explain why so few chose Sanders.

That's all it is for many -- minority denial syndrome.

Otoh, anyone who degrades the principle of all men are created equal to the idea of playing a phony "woman card" may be revealing a contempt for the giant issue involved, like Trump.

[Attorney in Texas]

132. So few? You're aware he's already won 20 states and is on track to win more states than Hillary '08?

[Doctor_J]

108. So you tend to like conservative policies

Otherwise, why would you support Clinton?

[seabeyond]

111. You like communist dictatorship policy? Because hey, If you equate Clinton to Repug,

then you have no problem at all I dictate Sanders communist dictatorship, right?

[Doctor_J]

115. I didn't say that, but there is this

And of course there is capital punishment, torture, healthcare without profiteers, expansion of social security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and living wage. So I don't see why you would support such a candidate and simultaneously deny tending toward conservative policies.

[seabeyond]

116. And Sanders thinks food lines are cool.

[Doctor_J]

117. This is what's usually called a non sequitur

Did it pop out when you pulled the lever on your Smear-o-matic? If you can't rebut the point in my previous post, why not just drop it?

[seabeyond]

119. I am simply following along your conversation.

[grossproffit]

106. This is why Bernie lost.

[PeaceNikki]

135. That's total bullshit.

[NCTraveler]

3. Thanks for making it even more clear.

Now please self-delete.

[Metric System]

4. Jesus Christ.

[RobertEarl]

9. Figures you'd post such a lame comment

I only keep you off my ignore list because you are so funny.

[Metric System]

11. I don't remember having any interaction with you before.

[6chars]

5. I thought this was going to go in a completely different direction

If a female was trying to pull on the party the things Bernie is, she would be called all sorts of names associated with women who are not considered nice enough.

[RobertEarl]

7. No way

Warren was, at first, our best hope, but she was not up to the task.

Besides, Bernie has been called all kinds of names, so your argument is baseless and kinda dumb.

[HereSince1628]

16. I think unwilling would be more accurate than not up to it.

I don't understand why the Siren's song didn't lure her in.

Maybe she was tied to the mast... or maybe she put wax in her ears.

Surely it can't be that she doesn't want what others would lie, cheat and/or steal to hold as their own.

[George II]

62. Warren was "not up to the task"? Didn't you insult women enough in your OP, now...

...you're doubling down and and attacking Warren?

She is WELL "up to the task", she just isn't interested in running for President.

[Hortensis]

107. Warren refused to endorse Sanders.

You can bet the people he attracted had something to do with it.

[zappaman]

6. Oh, Bob.

[jillan]

8. There already is a woman that has the same policies as Bernie.

She didn't run for President but hopefully she will in 2020.

Elizabeth Warren.

[LuvLoogie]

129. Elizabeth is a member of the establishment. She's a Democrat, who ran and got elected as a Demcrat

[CrowCityDem]

10. If a female held Bernie's positions, she wouldn't have been allowed on the stage.

[Henhouse]

12. lol...David Brock doesn't pay me enough...nt

[JonLeibowitz]

79. I've seen your postings, he definitely does.

[seabeyond]

13. Unelectable, finger wagging, screaming, falsely accusing, losing all the way, tone tone tone,

"emotional fairy tale"

A woman would never have made it or been invited into the party.

Oh, btw... gentleman, I will get right on that nurturing. Ya, I get it. Old, and I get it.

[bravenak]

32. This op is way out

[tammywammy]

60. Exactly

This OP

[obamanut2012]

64. There is nothing wrong with having a child if you aren't married

But the GOP would attack that if Bernie had gotten the nom. If Hillary had had a child out of wedlock? She never would have even been allowed into college, let alone law school, etc.

[msanthrope]

93. I just PM'D you my response to this. If I posted it, I'd get booted. nt

[seabeyond]

94. I didn't get it. I would love to hear it. I have had this conversation a lot this morning.

Seems to be what is on our mind. Along with Sanders continue the play of the "man" card, running the show to fix all the wrongs these women, ... PP, Clinton, DWS are doing. They are lying, and stealing, and cheating.

Sanders needs to come to our rescue. Pick our VP, cabinet, adopt his policy. He needs to guide us and direct us.

So, do tell me what you have to say.

[seabeyond]

95. Ok. I just got it. Thanks.

[greatauntoftriplets]

14. Oy.

[Buzz cook]

15. Well no

Because a female Bernie would still be disorganized and ill prepared. Bernadette would also have come into the race very late and faced a well prepared organization that had been in place for 8 years.

Why primary Sanders? His time in harness gives him valuable seniority. Primary some of the blue dogs instead.

[skylucy]

17. Wow. Talk about a clueless man. Just Wow.

Or maybe Robert Earl....If Bernie came close to the same ideas, practices and EXPERIENCE AND INTELLIGENCE as Hillary Clinton, he wouldn't be losing to her by three million votes. Reality Check RobertEarl.....Bernie lost to Hillary. He lost. She won. We don't have to "find and nurture a female candidate" in four years. We have a Democratic candidate right now who has soundly beat Bernie and is going to beat Mr. Trump in November. Unbelievable...If I didn't know better I would think your post was written by Trump. HILLARY 2016 HILLARY 2016 HILLARY 2016

[lmbradford]

42. Im a 46 yr old woman.

I think she will be indicted for mishandling classified info at the least. I am exactly like Bernie policy wise but i have never run for office before and doubt id win in OK anyway.

[obamanut2012]

65. NOTHING she is done is criminal

Good grief.

[99Forever]

69. Thank you, Your Honor.

Any other pronouncements you'd like to make at this time Federal Judge obamanut2012?

[obamanut2012]

70. It isn't criminal -- you can't change facts

It is, at best, a departmental policy infraction. Even if the facts bore out what she has been falsely accused of, it would still e a civil matter. You do not indict over minor civil matters. You can fine or fire, but you don't indict or imprison.

It has nothing to do with judging what she did, it's a fact it isn't a criminal matter, thus not indictment. That is the law. That is legal procedure.

So:

right back at you.

[99Forever]

71. When were you appointed to a Federal Judgeship?

It has EVERYTHING to do with Federal Law, except up Denial River at Camp Weathervane among the starry-eyed True Believers.

[lmbradford]

81. Ok then

You should put your ss# and bank acct# on an unsecure server and do not password protect it. Then leave that server in a public place where guards, maids, aides, and any vitors come and go.

Do you see now?

Secret agents names and secret military ops were on that server.

This is HUGE!

[NanceGreggs]

18. In other words ...

... we wimmin folk should "find and nurture" a candidate who is obnoxious, demeans the Party, whines incessantly about how long-standing primary rules should be changed to suit her, repeats the same speech she's been making for decades, can't get her colleagues to endorse her, knows nothing about foreign policy, and ultimately can't win the nomination?

Thanks, bit no thanks.

[Henhouse]

21. LOL....n/t

[gollygee]

30. Not "wimmin folks" even - Females.

I don't know exactly why it irritates me when the word female is used as a noun. It's like we're some weird species someone is doing some scientific research on. Something like that.

[obamanut2012]

66. It's because it shouldn't be used as a noun regarding humans

It should be girls and/or women. That's why it rankles 0 it does me, too. It's dismissive f us as PEOPLE.

[Ford F-150]

43. Well...

Hillary does hit 5 out of 7 on your list...your almost there!

[NanceGreggs]

44. Huh?

Hillary couldn't get her colleagues to endorse her? They have.

Hillary demeans the Party? When?

Hillary wanted primary rules changed to suit her? Which ones?

[Ford F-150]

47. Well she does demean the party with her negatives

But the other two I'll give her credit for.

Funny how you included the two that I gave her a pass on...

[NanceGreggs]

51. Funny that you thought your post made any sense. n/t

[George II]

63. You "gave her a pass"? How benevolent you are.

[peggysue2]

19. Gee . . .

Why couldn't we find a woman who was a poor-ass loser like Bernie Sanders?? Yup, that's not Hillary Clinton because she did lose in 2008 and was a class act at the same time.

So thanks but no thanks. We little ladies are perfectly happy with Hillary Clinton as she is. As opposed to Bernie in a skirt (or pant suit as the case may be).

Plus we love to be talked down to, makes our day. Pick that up from Bernie by any chance???

[Tarc]

20. Lol, patronizing much?

[RobertEarl]

22. Wow

Hard to believe the meanness exhibited by some in this thread.

The idea is that if Hillary had the same political leanings as Bernie, Bernie would have never run. But since they are miles apart, he did. And if Bernie was not a male, then many of those who so desire a woman president, would also be backing Bernie.

Simple truths meeting such resistance is weird. Kinda like what we see in Hillary backers who deny she's made a huge mistake getting caught messing with government email.

[okasha]

23. You poor widdle delicate creature.

Have a hanky.

[RobertEarl]

24. Our (ahem) friends need our Love

Their Heroine is about to bow out of the race and it will be a crushing blow to their sensibilities as the man left standing will be the one they have been smearing all this time.

We should stand ready to forgive them for they knew not what they were doing.

Of course they shall repent and become Berned or they may never show their monikers on DU again. When they do repent and asked to be forgiven, we Berners shall exude the greatest Love we can muster and allow them some space.

But the days ahead will be hard for them from the top down for their dream is crushed and put off until someone like Warren is able to take up their banner 4 or 8 years from now.

[lunamagica]

35. You are replying to yourself?

[grossproffit]

36. That's awkward.

[okasha]

52. You're drunk, dearie.

Go to bed.

[RobertEarl]

54. Keep bailing!!

It's a long way to sure. LOL!

[okasha]

58. You're drunk AND in jail,

and you expect ME to get you out?

[RobertEarl]

59. I am not on the SS Clinton, sweetie

Was once. But saw it was going to sink.

I am now sailing on the Good Ship Bernie. And what a fine voyage it is. Lots of really good people, in good spirits, except for that during that damned crooked NY primary. But we weathered that and now we are all so pleased to see the inevitable $$ Clinton going down, thanks to Obama and Kerry pulling the plug.

[Codeine]

85. Oooooh, forgot to log out before replying to yourself.

Awkward. That's gonna bern.

[obamanut2012]

98. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

REPLYING TO "YOURSELF"?!

[NastyRiffraff]

99. WTF?

I've read your post several times and still can't make sense of it. Ye gods.

But maybe I shouldn't worry my pretty little head about things reserved for menfolks, like politics.

[msanthrope]

112. Did you drop a sock? Is that why you are replying to yourself? Nt

[Maru Kitteh]

145. Dear Gods. You have the most active fantasy life I've seen

Also: you seem to have dropped something?

[redstateblues]

45. Stop digging. Whatever shred of credibility you had is now gone. Mansplaining!

[bettyellen]

25. With a baby out of wedlock and no real career until 40?!?! Lol, nope.

I'm shocked anyone would think she has an advantage because of her sex. That's not how it works in real life.

[lunamagica]

37. Don't forget voting for the first time at 40

[bettyellen]

40. This shit reminds me of people who hate affirmative action- would like

Society to go back to its default setting and realize that white dudes have ALL the skills.

[obamanut2012]

68. And, no paying child support

Judge Judy would have a field day with that, and does, let alone the GOP admen.

[bettyellen]

84. Are you serious? Wow.

[obamanut2012]

96. 100%

Hillary could have played dirty, and she didn't, and shame on those who say she has.

[seabeyond]

100. Yes. Clinton could have been that vicious campaign, but she tool the high road, constantly. She was

adult. She was presidential. And still, Sanders whines, is picked on.... A conspiracy, I tell you.

[bettyellen]

120. Damn, maybe that was his motivation to not earn much...

That is all too common. Sucks.

[Tal Vez]

26. I think that it is easy to exaggerate the political differences between Clinton and Sanders.

Sanders seems to me another edition of the Democrats that I've been voting for since I became an adult. The problem right now is that even incremental changes are nearly impossible with a Republican Congress.

[RobertEarl]

27. Leadership is what we are voting for

Do we vote for the same old, same old that got us into this mess, or vote for a leader who vows to change the course of history?

[grossproffit]

28. Weren't you the author of the infamous South Carolina thread? Yep, you were.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553

[bravenak]

29. +1

[RobertEarl]

31. Yes, proudly so

Just 13% of the SC democrats actually voted in the primary. Thanks for reminding me.

[grossproffit]

34. If you were so proud of it why did you delete your opening post?

[RobertEarl]

41. Because so many were made mad

I deleted it after a few days, just to let it sink in, first. Unlike some here I don't take pride in just making people go mad and act crazy.

I see it made quite the impression on you. What was there, something like 60 recs?

Now, back on topic. Would you vote for Bernie if Bernie was a female?

[Demsrule86]

33. Playing the woman card

Poor Bernie ...if only?

[LexVegas]

38. He is going to support her. nt

[barrow-wight]

39. More sexism from the Bernie camp.

[uponit7771]

46. So much whining in one little thread

[pnwmom]

48. If a woman was campaigning like Bernie? Shouting and wagging her finger around?

Practically jumping out of her skin in the debates, trying to get the moderator to notice her while the other candidate was still talking?

Acting like there was only one right answer and she always had it?

Yelling "ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT .. .. . !" and then interrupting the answer to scream: "YES OR NO!!!" (like Bernie's behavior in the NY debate.)

No, Bernice wouldn't have had a chance.

[Recursion]

49. Are you out of your mind? Bernadette would never have been Mayor of Burlington

let alone taken seriously as a Presidential candidate. This is specifically something a lot of Clinton supporters have called out as bothering them and you're pretending it's working against him?

Oh, nevermind... just saw who posted this.

[RobertEarl]

50. Maybe you are?

I have seen your name here before and remember that once in a while you post something worthy. Once in a while. But not this time.

I love your ""Ckintin supporters"", tho. LOL.

[Thinkingabout]

53. If If If, all of the IF's, you have managed to point out some of the same comments

I heard for years, when does this stop??

[ContinentalOp]

55. A 74 year old socialist woman from one of the smallest, whitest states in the US?

Yeah, I'm sure she'd do great. She'd win the Bernie coalition minus the angry white men who make up the majority of his voters? What could go wrong?

[RobertEarl]

57. Did you know?

Bernie has been winning the majority of younger female voters?

Interesting, isn't it? Check the CNN exit poll data to see for yourself.

Besides, like so many here have not cogitated, the only way I equated Bernie with Hillary and being female was if the female candidate was like Bernie in his politics.

Read it again. For the first time, apparently.

[Haveadream]

82. What could go wrong indeed?

I'm glad the OP brought this topic up because it gives us a chance to envision the optics of what the woman equivalent to Bernie would be. That doesn't even begin to address his poor record of accomplishments, lack of ability to work with Dems or Republicans, inability to define his plans, harmful votes on immigration, the crime bill, guns, shipping of nuclear waste to poor communities and exploitation of the military industrial complex.












Or....


















Still voting for Hillary.

[bettyellen]

92. This is priceless. Onviously the OP is unaware why about 20 percent of men are

Never Hillary. They will always believe a man is better. The stats always bear out. Thank god we don't need them.

[Beacool]

105. Yeah, that would have been a winner alright............

[BainsBane]

61. If Bernie was a woman

She wouldn't dream of running for president, not with that resume and poor record of achievement. I expect she wouldn't be in the Senate either. Women always have to be more qualified, and even when they are people hold it against them.

This article explains the phenomenon well. You need to read through to the end.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-kegler/hillary-clinton-and-the-opposite-of-imposter-syndrome_b_9553190.html

[Sparkly]

73. Politics have been SO unfair to white men.

[Bucky]

78. congratulations, you just won the award for most condescending post today

now send your girl over here to come pick it up

[still_one]

80. What an insulting thread to women. I could easily make an similar insulting thread why certain

demographics are voting for Bernie, but I won't

What makes this even more outrageous is the OP isn't even a woman, and yet presumes to speak for that experience.

Pretty arrogant, pretty presumptive, and pretty bigoted

[Codeine]

86. Hell hath no fury

like a man afraid he won't be in charge.

[EndElectoral]

87. I will vote for a woman if HRC is the nominee this FALL. Her name is Jill Stein.

This takes the gender issue off the table. Cannot vote for HRC and cannot vote for Trump. Stein has some very good proposals.

"May your choices reflect your hopes, not your fears." -Nelson Mandela

[redstateblues]

104. You were never voting Democratic anyway

[EndElectoral]

109. You don't know me. I voted Sanders in the primary, and have voted Democratic in the GE since 1972.

Except in 2004 when working late kept me from getting to the polls in time to vote.

[Romulox]

88. Trick question: was Bernie the wife of the President under this scenario? If so, it's Her Turn! nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

89. If Bernie was a Female?

"Bernice" would have better hair?

[Starry Messenger]

90. I guess that's why we had President Angela Davis.

[obamanut2012]

97. +1

[NorthCarolina]

91. The establishment would reject a real populist progressive regardless of their gender.

Would have made no difference. It's the populist aspect they disagree with because it empowers that group of people at the bottom of the ladder that the establishment considers "undesirables", or "super predators" and the like, who they feel are best relegated to either volunteer military service, or filling a cell in one of their for-profit prisons.

[Spazito]

101. Geez...just...geez.

[Beacool]

102. If Bernie had been Bernadette and a 74 year old "democratic socialist"?

Meh, nothing would have changed. Hillary would still be on her way to the nomination.

[hrmjustin]

103. Burning bridges i see.

[Doctor_J]

110. I'm not sure about that, but certainly if a man was running with Mrs Clinton's conservative

policies, record of bad decisions and flip flops, and the fbi circling overhead, that person would have no chance at the nomination, let alone the white house. I'm also fine with people voting for Clinton because of her gender; I do wish they would stop denying that it's true.

[murielm99]

113. If a female candidate

had behaved like Bernie, she would have lost by now, like Bernie.

We don't want a Bernie, male or female. The votes and delegate count prove it.

[dsc]

121. yeah women presidential candidates have it so easy

so many of them have been nominated by the major parties. I can't remember the last time we nominated a male. No wait, I can it was 2012 and before that 2008, and before that 2004, and so on.

[cpwm17]

122. If Bernie WERE a female...

It's better to not go there.

[lmbradford]

123. Im female and i support Bernie.

Cant tell you how many times i have asked for a discussion about policies that Hillary supports. Im still waiting.

Plus Bernie is not perfect, but he at least has integrity, which is NOT a gender issue.

[RobertEarl]

124. Indeed

If Hillary had as much integrity as Bernie, Bernie would not have challenged her.

I notice all the nasty personal comments from the Hillary campers. All nearly devoid of any political differences, which is about par for the course from them.

[lmbradford]

125. ^^^^This

[valerief]

126. Mansplainin'. Women just love that. nt

[RobertEarl]

127. I know. Some think they can do witout men

You're not one of those, are you?

[valerief]

130. Ha! Changing the subject won't erase your mansplainin'. nt

[PeaceNikki]

133. What the ever-living FUCK is wrong with you??

[Beacool]

137. Actually, yes, women can do just fine without men.

Or do you think that we can't support ourselves and have a fulfilling and productive life without a man in our lives?

Chauvinist much?

[LuvLoogie]

128. ...he'd be Jill Stein.

[cynatnite]

131. Are you saying that women supporters are voting with their vaginas?

That we're so stupid and ignorant that we think with our female anatomy?

What does that say about black voters who voted for Obama?

What about white males who voted for Bernie? Are they thinking with their dicks?

This is an offensive post.

[RobertEarl]

138. I am saying

I wish the front runner had the same politics as Bernie.

And that a lot of opposition to Bernie is because he is a male.

[cynatnite]

139. So women who aren't backing Bernie are sexist...

Let me count the ways your obtuse postings on this subject fails.

[RobertEarl]

140. Whatever

But yeah, like I said, if Hillary had the same politics as Bernie, everyone would be happy to vote for her.

Viewing the nasty replies to me, nearly all devoid of the main topic, makes me think there is some deep-rooted misandry run amok.

[cynatnite]

141. To say it's because he's a man is quite obtuse

Why do you think there are so many nasty replies? Your argument is complete idiocy.

Men and women both have chosen Hillary over Bernie for their own reasons. To assume it's because it's some sort of man-hate towards Bernie is just ludicrous.

Your reaching for the idiotic because you can't comprehend why someone would choose her over your guy.

[RobertEarl]

142. True

I can't comprehend how any forward thinking person could pick H over Bernie.

[Attorney in Texas]

134. If Bernie was female, he'd be like Elizabeth Warren.If Hillary was progressive, she'd be like Warren

Can't we just agree that Elizabeth Warren would have easily won this nomination if she had run?

[Orsino]

136. The nation in which a woman without Clinton money and connections had Clinton opportunity...

...would be a very different one.

[RobertEarl]

144. Damn ignore feature

I have to log off to see all the abuse I am getting for mentioning the unmentionable!

Bwahahahaha