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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:09 PM May 2016

Does Debbie Wasserman-Schultz resent Bernie & Jane Sanders because of their interfaith marriage?

We know she sees this kind of intermarriage as a "problem" because she said so in early 2015.

Could this explain if she had some bias against Bernie Sanders?



Although she does not actively "oppose" it, she identified "assimilation" and intermarriage as problems.

"We have the problem of assimilation. We have the problem of intermarriage. We have the problem that too many generations of Jews don't realize the importance of our institutions strengthening our community..."

Comments and a subsequent clarification from U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston have attracted new attention to long-running concerns over the implications of interfaith marriage in the Jewish community.

Wasserman Schultz recently told a Jewish group that interfaith marriage is a "problem." On Tuesday, in a statement issued by the Democratic National Committee, she said she does "not oppose" it.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-wasserman-schultz-jewish-intermarriage-20150203-story.html
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Does Debbie Wasserman-Schultz resent Bernie & Jane Sanders because of their interfaith marriage? (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich May 2016 OP
. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #1
Was DWS just bullshitting the faithful when she called interfaith marriage a "problem"? virtualobserver May 2016 #3
You mean something that deeply religious Jewish people find problematic? Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #5
people of "faith" find many issues concerning marriage "problematic", like same sex marriage..... virtualobserver May 2016 #10
Lol MFM008 May 2016 #12
If DWS resents this pair, she resents them annavictorious May 2016 #2
Hilarious, sadly. I'll pray for you in Hebrew. floriduck May 2016 #11
Remember what this Jew had to say about fellow Jews praying....Matt 6:5-6. nt msanthrope May 2016 #47
No. hrmjustin May 2016 #4
Maybe......? JPnoodleman May 2016 #6
That is probably the silliest thing I've heard today. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #7
"We have the problem of intermarriage." Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #8
LOL Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #16
She's disgusting. tabasco May 2016 #9
Why in the name of King Tut MFM008 May 2016 #13
doubling down trying to put a "Jewish connection" into your OP? still_one May 2016 #14
Uh... How am I "putting" it in? Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #17
I believe that I can find a suitable image for this Tarc May 2016 #15
There is plenty of other stuff to criticize DWS on, like voting to send cancer grannies to prison Warren DeMontague May 2016 #24
You're really desperate, aren't you? okasha May 2016 #18
I just wondered if maybe Wasserman-Schultz has a problem with people marrying outside their religion Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #20
Many Jews are concerned less with interfaith marriage okasha May 2016 #25
Sorry, all sharks are busy being jumped over already. The line starts over there ----> n/t Blaukraut May 2016 #19
This is not an uncommon position for people in many religions gollygee May 2016 #21
Debbie, sit down . . . . no_hypocrisy May 2016 #22
She supports payday lending and thinks medical marijuana users belong in prison. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #23
I agree. Behind the Aegis May 2016 #36
Yeah, it's nothing I haven't heard before. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #38
My grandparents were different. Behind the Aegis May 2016 #40
I do know what you mean and where it is coming from. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #41
Agreed, smells like bigotry, sorry to say. JudyM May 2016 #50
Why would she care? KingFlorez May 2016 #26
It's not really a theory Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #27
It's beyond unlikely that DWS cares who Sanders is married to KingFlorez May 2016 #30
I don't know she seems to have some problem with "intermarriage." Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #32
Nah, as long as Jane Sanders isn't trying to ease chemo nausea by eating a pot brownie Warren DeMontague May 2016 #42
This post ...... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #28
Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #45
Jewish Interfaith Marriage Statistics jamese777 May 2016 #29
No! wildeyed May 2016 #31
I heard DWS gets her shoes from DSW! tandem5 May 2016 #33
wouldn't she resent the Clinton Family also because of Chelsea and Mezvinsky have an interfaith JI7 May 2016 #34
this is a common discussion among many cultures . think of all the jokes about marrying JI7 May 2016 #35
Yes, but we (Jews) have this conversation... Behind the Aegis May 2016 #37
Uh huh. grossproffit May 2016 #44
So she's bigot as well as a DINO? Betty Karlson May 2016 #39
Wait what? Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #63
No, there's no religion in the world that can stand up to the green God the DNC worships. If JCanete May 2016 #43
this is a great point. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #57
Does DWS resent Chelsea Clinton & Marc Mezvinsky because of their interfaith marriage? oberliner May 2016 #46
^^ this ^^ Hiraeth May 2016 #54
Not really an exact equivalent since Bernie is the one who married outside. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #58
Interfaith marriage is a problem for all religious communities who wish to retain their traditions. msanthrope May 2016 #48
Why indeed? OilemFirchen May 2016 #59
I'm not religious. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #60
I'm not religious Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #61
This was recorded by right wing conservatives to paint sufrommich May 2016 #49
Thanks for your much needed post. riversedge May 2016 #52
This was a mainstream media report so you know what to do Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #62
Each day your OP's more more silly. Thank goodness they will stop when the voting is done! riversedge May 2016 #51
i love innuendo. The republicans honed it to a fine art. Basically insinuate anything with a MariaThinks May 2016 #53
you mean like claiming all critiques of Hillary are TheSarcastinator May 2016 #55
No, establishment types just flat-out don't like populist types. NorthCarolina May 2016 #56
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
5. You mean something that deeply religious Jewish people find problematic?
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Oh noes! She was speaking to people of her faith about issues pertaining to them.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
10. people of "faith" find many issues concerning marriage "problematic", like same sex marriage.....
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

.....based on your explanation....it would be fine for Democratic politicians to describe that as "problematic" as well.....depending on the "faith" of the audience.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
2. If DWS resents this pair, she resents them
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

because they're obnoxiously self-important non-Democrats who feel entitled to dictate terms to the party they have spent the last 10 months exploiting purely for personal gain.

But keep reaching. It's amusing to see exactly how ridiculous the claims will become.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
6. Maybe......?
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

I mean, possibly, but Sanders has produced a child and at this point it would be kinda nutty to expect him to go out and find a Jewish woman to make Jewish babies with.

Idk, DWS is a craven piece of work and a bad chair but I doubt her dislike of Sanders is up to him being married outside the religion of Judaism.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
17. Uh... How am I "putting" it in?
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

It's a question about whether DWS sees interfaith marriages as a problem.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. There is plenty of other stuff to criticize DWS on, like voting to send cancer grannies to prison
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

for using medical marijuana.


 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
20. I just wondered if maybe Wasserman-Schultz has a problem with people marrying outside their religion
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

okasha

(11,573 posts)
25. Many Jews are concerned less with interfaith marriage
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

than with raising children of such marriages outside the faith. It gets especially complicated when the husband is the Jewish partner because "Jewishness" is reckoned only through the mother.

An honorary niece of mine is Jewish, and she and her husband had a full-throttle ecumenical (Jewish, Catholic, Presbyterian) wedding, but her daughter is being raised Jewish.

I doubt DWS has concerns about a late born baby, here.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
21. This is not an uncommon position for people in many religions
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

And it has nothing to do with this election or the Sanders family.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
36. I agree.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016

However, this type of nonsense is simply stupid and borderline bigoted. Many cultures worry about their culture being "lost". Look at issues around gentrification, Native American communities and their languages/cultures, the GLBT community "assimilating" to a heteronormative life, and the list goes on, but when a Jew expresses concern about our culture being lost, then suddenly their are ulterior motives or we are "white" supremacists. If this were being leveraged as part of the Democratic position or some such, then I would have a real issue with it; but she was talking to other Jews and said nothing that most Jews haven't heard and have been hearing for years and struggle with to some degree.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. Yeah, it's nothing I haven't heard before.
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016

But my Grandparents were like the poster Jews for Assimilation, and I'm the product of one of those interfaith marriages, so I'm probably a bit biased.

She seems to approach many things from a sort of socially reactionary position of trying to "contain" or control "bad" or what-may-be-perceived as "unwanted" behavior, which strikes me as fundamentally counterproductive not just to dealing with peoples' complex lives and choices, but ALSO from the standpoint of organically encouraging people to discover what meaning or tradition (if any) holds value for them personally.

The goose, as always, has to get itself out of the bottle.

Describing any two people who love each other (presumably) and want to commit their lives together as a "problem"- to me, that's a problem, no matter the context.


Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
40. My grandparents were different.
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:07 AM
May 2016

They were all for "assimilation" up to a point, which is why my father and his sister don't speak Yiddish, but she and my father both married non-Jews. They didn't care much about my aunt's marriage, but they were not happy with my father (matrilineal line). Both of my brothers are married to non-Jewish women, and my brothers barely touch on Jewish culture. I am too married to someone who isn't Jewish, but Jewishness is a part of our lives, though we have no children (neither of us like them all that much).

I can somewhat agree with your assessment of DWS, but, quite frankly, I am just as irritated by shit like this (the OP) in regards to Jews. Seriously, why is it every other fucking culture can be proud and want to preserve their culture and it is seen as "fine" and even "admirable", but, Jews, and it is goddamned conspiracy?!

Where I see this as different from you, is that she doesn't have a problem with two people in love, but whether or not the Jewish culture will be preserved and I do find that to be reasonable. To me, that context is important. I no longer see the US as a "melting pot." I abandoned that belief years ago in college when I saw Sarah Weddington (Rove V. Wade) speak, and she said America shouldn't be a "melting pot" but rather a "tossed salad", individual cultures not being dispersed to make a tasty meal, but rather maintaining it's original form and still being apart of something greater than its parts.

To me, this type of "concern" (in the OP) is problematic in of itself!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
41. I do know what you mean and where it is coming from.
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:28 AM
May 2016

Believe me, these are long-running conversations that take place and questions that come up in our house, too. I mean, hell, we've got kids, so you can imagine what that adds to it all.

But full disclosure: I probably can't have an unbiased opinion about DWS at this point, no matter the topic. Once she allied herself with Sheldon Adelson to kill medical marijuana reform in FL in 2014, that was pretty much it for me.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
30. It's beyond unlikely that DWS cares who Sanders is married to
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:26 PM
May 2016

In fact, he's not even a practicing Jew or of any religious belief, so it's a moot point. It's pretty crazy to think that DWS has a personal vendetta against Sanders.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
32. I don't know she seems to have some problem with "intermarriage."
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

There's actually a quote she made on the subject. There's a recording and everything.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
42. Nah, as long as Jane Sanders isn't trying to ease chemo nausea by eating a pot brownie
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:29 AM
May 2016

DWS doesn't want her arrested, or anything.

jamese777

(546 posts)
29. Jewish Interfaith Marriage Statistics
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

Key Intermarriage Statistics
47% of Jews marrying between 1996 and 2001 married non-Jews.
31% of all married Jews are intermarried.
39% of these marriages are Jewish-Catholic.
23% are Jewish-Protestant.
26% are between a Jewish person and a person who doesn't affiliate with any religion.
33% of children in intermarriages are raised as Jews. The percentage varies greatly by community, however. In Boston, for example, 60% of children of interfaith families are raised as Jews. In Baltimore, 62% of children of intermarriage are raised as Jews. Conversely, in Denver, only 18% are being raised Jewish.
27% of married people in the U.S. are in interfaith marriages. When you count Protestant denominations as different religions, the number jumps to 37%. Roughly 35 million people in the U.S. are in interfaith marriages.


Key Jewish Population Statistics
Between 5.2 million and 6.5 million. Jews live in the U.S. Jews make up roughly 2% of the U.S. population.

There are 14.4 million Jews throughout the world. 5.7 million Jews live in Israel. After the U.S. and Israel, the countries with the largest Jewish populations, in descending order, are France, Canada, the United Kingdom, Russia and Argentina. Jews make up .2% of the world population.
The metropolitan areas with the largest Jewish populations are, in descending order, Tel Aviv, New York, Jerusalem, Los Angeles, Haifa, South Florida, Beersheba, San Francisco, Paris and Chicago.


Background on Intermarriage in the Jewish Community
For much of American Jewish history, intermarriage was relatively rare. The incidence of intermarriage started to increase in the 1970s (from 13% to 28%). Many Jews know the story of a relative who was disowned (in some cases, mourned as if he or she had died) when he or she married a non-Jew.

In response to the increase in intermarriage, the Reform movement took two controversial steps: it created an outreach department to reach out to and welcome intermarried couples, and decided to recognize the children of Jewish fathers and non-Jewish mothers as Jews (under traditional Jewish law, only children of Jewish mothers are considered Jews).

But when the 1990 National Jewish Population Survey revealed that close to half of all new marriages involving Jews in the previous five years were to non-Jews, intermarriage shot to the top of the Jewish community's agenda.

Because Judaism doesn't encourage proselytizing and Jews are such a small minority (somewhere between 5.2 million and 6.5 million), some Jews consider the ongoing high rate of intermarriage a threat to the continued existence of the Jewish people. Major Jewish figures have been harshly critical of intermarriage and view outreach to the intermarried as a waste of limited communal resources. Major Jewish organizations see promoting Jewish in-marriage as one of their explicit or implicit fundamental goals.

In the last two decades, there has been a growing awareness that writing off intermarried families may mean writing off a Jewish future. Intermarriage can be an opportunity to sustain and even grow the Jewish population both quantitatively and qualitatively. If more than 50% of interfaith families raise their children as Jews, interfaith families will actually increase the size of the Jewish population. But intermarried couples will only make Jewish choices if the Jewish community genuinely welcomes them. InterfaithFamily is a leading advocate for building such an inclusive Jewish community.
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/news_and_opinion/synagogues_and_the_jewish_community/Jewish_Intermarriage_Statistics.shtml

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
31. No!
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

Did you hurt yourself making that stretch?

NEW YORK (JTA) — There are a lot more Jews in America than you may have thought — an estimated 6.8 million, according to a new study. But a growing proportion of them are unlikely to raise their children Jewish or connect with Jewish institutions.

The proportion of Jews who say they have no religion and are Jewish only on the basis of ancestry, ethnicity or culture is growing rapidly, and two-thirds of them are not raising their children Jewish at all.

http://www.jta.org/2013/10/01/news-opinion/united-states/pew-survey-u-s-jewish-intermarriage-rate-rises-to-58-percent


The concern of many Jewish groups is more about assimilation than interfaith marriage.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
34. wouldn't she resent the Clinton Family also because of Chelsea and Mezvinsky have an interfaith
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

marriage ?

JI7

(89,249 posts)
35. this is a common discussion among many cultures . think of all the jokes about marrying
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016

the "nice ...........boy" "nice ................girl" . fill in the blank with jewish, catholic, italian, korean etc....



Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
37. Yes, but we (Jews) have this conversation...
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:34 AM
May 2016

...it is all about "white" supremacy of some sort, not about preserving our culture. I am really disgusted this is even being "discussed".

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
39. So she's bigot as well as a DINO?
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:51 AM
May 2016

How is this horrible person still a chair? Just because she threatened Obama with "sexism and anti-semitism OMG!!!!!!!111111one!!!!11111!!!!!" charges when he anted to get rid of her in 2013?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
63. Wait what?
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016
Wasserman Schultz Reportedly Wanted to Paint Obama as ‘Anti-Woman,’ ‘Anti-Semitic’ If Ousted


Buried inside a Politico report about Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz‘s (D-FL) future aspirations was an interesting revelation: “When (Wasserman Schultz) sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic.”
http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-dws-wanted-to-paint-obama-as-anti-woman-and-anti-semitic-if-ousted-as-dnc-chair/

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
43. No, there's no religion in the world that can stand up to the green God the DNC worships. If
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:40 AM
May 2016

Bernie weren't a socialist but instead a good insider Dem, I'm sure that she'd be able to see past these sorts of things.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. Does DWS resent Chelsea Clinton & Marc Mezvinsky because of their interfaith marriage?
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:05 AM
May 2016

Could this explain if she had some bias against Hillary Clinton?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
58. Not really an exact equivalent since Bernie is the one who married outside.
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

In the Clinton case it's just Hillary's son in law.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
48. Interfaith marriage is a problem for all religious communities who wish to retain their traditions.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

Devout "fill in the blank" parents of all faiths see that as a concern.

Why would you make an OP singling out Jews?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
61. I'm not religious
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

If Rick Santorum makes a comment about Catholic intermarriages being a problem, go ahead and post it I'll give you a DU rec. He's about the only one I could imagine saying it though.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
49. This was recorded by right wing conservatives to paint
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

DWS as the "other" to conservative christians in Fla.,its an age old anti semitic dog whistle and it doesn't belong here. I don't care for DWS but this is really an inappropriate OP fit for Free Republic,not DU.

riversedge

(70,215 posts)
51. Each day your OP's more more silly. Thank goodness they will stop when the voting is done!
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016



Ask yourself why they are so admired by so many?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
53. i love innuendo. The republicans honed it to a fine art. Basically insinuate anything with a
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

question.

For example,
If Bernie colluded with the communists in the Soviet Union, should he withdraw from the presidential race?

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