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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:32 PM May 2016

Just a Reminder, it's not long until the nominee is chosen.

73

That's the number of delegates that Hillary Clinton requires to clinch the nomination.

73

No more. No less, at least for now.

That will drop to around 30 after the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico vote.

Then on June 7, she will clinch. She will be the presumptive nominee and every heavy hitter in the Democratic Party will endorse her to include Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Elizabeth Warren. Any Super Delegates who have endorsed Sanders will flip. Everybody will get in line regardless of any bullshit that may be spouted by the losing candidate.

73

That's the magic number right now for the person who will be the nominee.
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Just a Reminder, it's not long until the nominee is chosen. (Original Post) MohRokTah May 2016 OP
Just a reminder: HubertHeaver May 2016 #1
Preach the Truth! LP2K12 May 2016 #3
Neither do pledged delegates, if you wish to be quite technical about it Tarc May 2016 #6
For both declared supers and pledged delegates rock May 2016 #58
When the supers pledge to support a delegate, the media takes them at their word, which is why anotherproletariat May 2016 #92
JUNE 14 MFM008 May 2016 #2
Yep, the Admins are going to let this place reek for another week. MohRokTah May 2016 #4
And yet, trolls with 10+ hides get to remain Scootaloo May 2016 #7
Hah! I've seen 23 on the transparency page and still posting! ebayfool May 2016 #14
MohRokTah has 10 hides himself. bvar22 May 2016 #63
Two of those are from this past week, after the amnesty amnesty. n/t QC May 2016 #66
No one here should be tossed out Demsrule86 May 2016 #16
Actually, yes, TOS violations earn it. Scootaloo May 2016 #44
the juries are rigged Demsrule86 May 2016 #48
Oh, I've seen LOTS of really stupid alerts Scootaloo May 2016 #54
Straight Up, Scootaloo. bvar22 May 2016 #79
Completely rigged. barrow-wight May 2016 #145
Is that how you've racked up 4 hides in less than 2 weeks? n/t QC May 2016 #158
I guess so. barrow-wight May 2016 #159
Well said, and I agree...n/t ms liberty May 2016 #77
Skinner personally banned wilt the silt. joshcryer May 2016 #31
He got to stick around for several months, and there are several others as well Scootaloo May 2016 #45
You should send an email then. joshcryer May 2016 #60
And WillyT is banned, isn't he? Scootaloo May 2016 #62
After months of his shit. joshcryer May 2016 #64
He's not posting at HillaryClintonSupporters, I don't think. Scootaloo May 2016 #68
I'm talking about JPR. joshcryer May 2016 #69
Oh, okay, so what you're saying is that you don't know what a hate site is. Scootaloo May 2016 #72
JPR welcomes a bigot. joshcryer May 2016 #87
where is he on JPR. What's his user name there? hobbit709 May 2016 #93
Same as here. joshcryer May 2016 #95
Oh really? funny how that user name doesn't pop up on the member list. hobbit709 May 2016 #96
Here's a recent post: joshcryer May 2016 #101
I thought you were talking about wilt. hobbit709 May 2016 #102
No, wilt is a different kind of bigot. joshcryer May 2016 #107
ALERTER'S COMMENTS MisterP May 2016 #166
Btw, this is an indictment on the community. joshcryer May 2016 #67
The community cannot ban people. Nor can it end FFR status. Nor can it change the hide system. Scootaloo May 2016 #70
130 recs for the post that got him banned nt geek tragedy May 2016 #85
Well said, josh. Thank you. Number23 May 2016 #154
You keep saying the same thing(s) over and over again, yet you just can't put your finger.... George II May 2016 #59
Seems like they will not be allowed to stay either...funny the irony in that. Rex May 2016 #117
You know what is fun about this nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #9
The real world isn't nearly as insane as the smears she gets here. joshcryer May 2016 #33
I know...meanies posting CNN articles, my goodness nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #42
No Fox,Brietbart, redstate...all sort of rightwing Demsrule86 May 2016 #51
My poor ones. Funny thing it is hilarious actually nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #53
Yeah, nothing to see here. joshcryer May 2016 #61
Nah, at this point I am seeing the exact same bunker mentality nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #65
Wishful thinking. joshcryer May 2016 #71
You are talking about Sanders nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #73
The BOBers are not party core. joshcryer May 2016 #88
Since I am a Decline to State voter nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90
I tend to be unaffiliated. joshcryer May 2016 #98
I am far from special nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #100
Bipartisanship is our fault. joshcryer May 2016 #103
You are partisan. Even if you claim otherwise nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #105
Erm, I never said I wasn't? joshcryer May 2016 #109
Good, I prefer to put the country ahead of party nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #111
I stand with the core of the party. joshcryer May 2016 #112
Your party will have to make that choice nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #114
Yeah, but you're likely the Stein demographic. joshcryer May 2016 #119
See with your insults nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #120
Except that wasn't an insult. joshcryer May 2016 #123
Nah. Every time partisans cannot deal with facts nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #130
The green party got more votes in 2012... joshcryer May 2016 #135
You still don't get it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #136
The linked post shows the BOB mentality. joshcryer May 2016 #138
It shows why the party is having trouble with your left flank nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #140
Every candidate that ran from Obama lost. joshcryer May 2016 #143
Again, you do not get it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #147
OK, we'll see. joshcryer May 2016 #148
Ok that nothing burger just had a very real damaging report issued nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #149
OH and Josh one more thing nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #122
Trump will never win. joshcryer May 2016 #124
And the email scandal is nothing. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #125
Now that right there is a real fine post. kayakjohnny May 2016 #104
Thanks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #106
Real world? Loki May 2016 #162
Nope...CNN, and Facebook, and real world nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #164
Bullshit!!! Read the TOS. You must of forgot the complaints about Obama while running against..... Logical May 2016 #121
Do you think he's going to go by the 7th or the 14th? barrow-wight May 2016 #142
Skinner said when the voting was over. MohRokTah May 2016 #150
I suppose he could have meant DC if he was being especially literal. barrow-wight May 2016 #157
It's been asked and answered. MohRokTah May 2016 #165
Ah. I didn't see that answer I guess. barrow-wight May 2016 #167
Wow, several replies, and yours is all I see. MohRokTah May 2016 #11
Supers count now...Hillary knew that in 2008, sanders is conning beachbumbob May 2016 #5
According to the DNC they don't count until they actually vote. Dream on. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #21
That's the difference between having a candidate that has class beachbumbob May 2016 #23
I can't wait until the strawberry festeval and then the horse. Maybe I can call Dwany. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #35
And until June ends GulfCoast66 May 2016 #110
But unless she pulls of a miracle, she can't win on PD alone. Its done for a contested contest! floppyboo May 2016 #134
One the first vote GulfCoast66 May 2016 #139
OMG! Not at all! You misread me! Or I misread Bernie! He will release his delegates floppyboo May 2016 #141
Maybe we are talking past each other? GulfCoast66 May 2016 #146
"Everybody will get in line" mac56 May 2016 #8
No shenmue May 2016 #126
Not at all, but once it is down to the 2 candidates from the major parties, Amimnoch May 2016 #161
Oh and finally...whether Skinner likes it or not... nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #10
Skinner has said when the voting is done Demsrule86 May 2016 #17
No it is not nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #22
Very adult. Amimnoch May 2016 #29
Well, that will be very much fun to watch nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #30
You think President Trump would be hilarious. zappaman May 2016 #50
Nope, but I am not the one even going hurrah for a historic mistake. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #52
That's nice, dear. zappaman May 2016 #55
Hey, we are now the majority nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #57
You have a lot to learn about elections and history, kiddo. zappaman May 2016 #75
Nope, I cover this shit kiddo nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #76
Really? When did 43% become a majority? George II May 2016 #82
Given the other two major parties are under that nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #84
That would be a plurality. George II May 2016 #91
You need us more than we need you nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #94
Not really. "You" (using your terminology) will never field a winning Presidential candidate.... George II May 2016 #97
Look cupcake, yes you are cute nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #99
It isn't. zappaman May 2016 #113
. George II May 2016 #116
...just like your sig line pic... Fawke Em May 2016 #83
This place will be a ghost town. -nt- NorthCarolina May 2016 #78
I'd be interested in Skinner's thoughts here. Shemp Howard May 2016 #24
They are including the supers nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25
Sanders likely concedes June 10. joshcryer May 2016 #36
Where are you getting these numbers? LOL. Hillary STILL needs 614 Pledged Delegates to get to 2383. jillan May 2016 #12
Hillary's number is 614, not 73. Shemp Howard May 2016 #13
Au contraire. All delegates are like accounts receivable. Those do count towards net worth. PeaceNikki May 2016 #18
Accounts receivable are legally binding. Shemp Howard May 2016 #37
Accounts receivable are contractually obligated to be received. strategery blunder May 2016 #40
Not the case. Those votes do not even exist until the convention is seated. If a pledged delegate Bluenorthwest May 2016 #80
73...Bernie math Demsrule86 May 2016 #20
How many pledged delegated does Snaders need? Thinkingabout May 2016 #39
The super delegates don't vote until the convention. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #15
Neither do the pledged. PeaceNikki May 2016 #19
The pledged are counted nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #27
. PeaceNikki May 2016 #32
You wish shenmue May 2016 #133
June 7th can't come soon enough. nt Bleacher Creature May 2016 #26
Yeah, but the bullshit will continue here for another week after the nominee is chosen. MohRokTah May 2016 #28
Agree. It's gone completely off the rails. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #41
I alert on anybody that says that shit. MohRokTah May 2016 #43
The trolls are getting braver Andy823 May 2016 #56
So a person under criminal investigation is better than a buffoon? Fawke Em May 2016 #86
It is exciting to reach the required delegates but I am looking forward to the vote counts. Thinkingabout May 2016 #34
If it's done right, it is by acclamation. MohRokTah May 2016 #38
Leahy is a great Democrat. Bleacher Creature May 2016 #46
Yep, I'd donate to any Dem over that sore loser. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #49
Its kinda simple, first vote, the majority delegate count wins, the pledged delegates Thinkingabout May 2016 #47
Yep GulfCoast66 May 2016 #151
You trust him more tham I ecer have or ever will. MohRokTah May 2016 #152
I hope you are wrong. GulfCoast66 May 2016 #153
WOW, the over 500 must be out in force. MohRokTah May 2016 #74
It will not be long until the primaries are over Gothmog May 2016 #81
I thought the nominee was chosen in January whistler162 May 2016 #89
Thanks for the reminder Hiraeth May 2016 #108
That will be at the convention. bvf May 2016 #115
I cannot wait for the new system to be put into place, no more repeat trolls! Rex May 2016 #118
Not even repeated amnesties following amnesties that followed other amnesties? QC May 2016 #127
Well if you read ATA looks like the admins are done playing that game. Rex May 2016 #128
I wish I could believe it, and I will try to. n/t QC May 2016 #129
I am going with solidarity on this one. Rex May 2016 #132
No way to stop someone from rejoining. Unless they are I/T illiterate. Nt Logical May 2016 #144
you know DonCoquixote May 2016 #131
Counting down the days... nt eastwestdem May 2016 #137
K & R SunSeeker May 2016 #155
K and R XRubicon May 2016 #156
Wrong. She CAN'T get the number until the convention. Polotics 101 and MATH! nt Live and Learn May 2016 #160
Yay! workinclasszero May 2016 #163
I figured 8pm when the polls close in jersey. BEFORE Cali votes even realmirage May 2016 #168
KNR Thank you! Lucinda May 2016 #169

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
6. Neither do pledged delegates, if you wish to be quite technical about it
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

Once Hillary crests that 73, the narrative will be that the primary is truly over...even though it's really been over since New York.

Sorry, but, that's the reality of how elections go. On the eve of the last day of the primaries in 2008, 60 superdelegates endorsed Obama to put him over the top. He, and much of the media, cemented him as the presumptive nominee.

rock

(13,218 posts)
58. For both declared supers and pledged delegates
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

They will not be recorded til the Convention but they count now.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
92. When the supers pledge to support a delegate, the media takes them at their word, which is why
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:02 PM
May 2016

they will call the race on June 7. Technically, no delegate (pledged or super) can vote until the convention, but that doesn't mean that nominations are not called before the convention. I'm too young to remember the last time the nominee wasn't known going into a major party convention.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. Yep, the Admins are going to let this place reek for another week.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

Then it will be either Get the Fuck In Line or Get the Fuck Out.

No more middle ground come June 14!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. And yet, trolls with 10+ hides get to remain
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

Repeat antisemites get to come back again and again and again.

People who threaten other DU'ers, not a problem.

Maybe you'll want ot tend your own plot before the rules come back into effect, Moh. Just saying.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
14. Hah! I've seen 23 on the transparency page and still posting!
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

Some are more equal than others, methinks.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
16. No one here should be tossed out
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

Because the juries were rigged for the most part. I even got a hide...something that has never happened...and it was an innocuous post too. I would give amnesty to all unless they are the Trump trolls people say are here...

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
44. Actually, yes, TOS violations earn it.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

And no, the Juries are not "rigged." The Juries work the same as they've been working for years now. The problem is that there really is just a higher incidence of abusive behavior and trolling among Hillary supporters. Combine that with a sense of entitlement and perpetual victimhood, and you've got what's happened. Even Skinner is aware that he got juked on that shit.

It is actually rather difficult to get a post hidden on DU. Most jurors extend the benefit of the doubt to the subject being juried, and actually take the role rather seriously. Yes, now and then you will get a bad hide. But you are not going to get a straight run of five bad hides. You are very certainly not going to get a straight run of ten, fifteen, twenty bad hides.

No, if your transparency page has more posts on it than the Greatest page, the fault is your own. You are not a victim, you are not a martyr. You're most likely an abusive asshole and your pleas for pity are just manipulative bullshit typical of abusive assholes.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
48. the juries are rigged
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:11 PM
May 2016

I have seen many innocent posts alerted and it has been discussed how some are rigging juries ...they bragged about it.Steps were taken from what I saw and more will be done when GDP primary is over...I have seen posters say that Trump is better than Hillary and the posts stands...clearly a violation.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
54. Oh, I've seen LOTS of really stupid alerts
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

The overwhelming majority of said stupid alerts are simply tossed out by the seven people on jury. Getting alerted on is very different from actually being hidden.

You do not get a straight run of five bad hides. You cannot point to a list of ten, or twenty-three hides and say "I WAS FRAMED! I'M A VICTIM!" because the odds are so overwhelmingly against it, and even the possibility requires some extremely deep conspiracy thinking.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
79. Straight Up, Scootaloo.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

10 or 20 "bad hides" in a row defies logic and familiarity with DU,
though I can understand that those blinded by partisanship would play the victim.
Most of the members with that number of hides have a problem admitting they are wrong.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
159. I guess so.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:50 AM
May 2016

But then how would you know how many hides I've had if I don't have that little yellow button?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
45. He got to stick around for several months, and there are several others as well
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

Note whatever you like Josh.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
60. You should send an email then.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

There is so much utter dreck allowed here it's not even funny. Look at WillyT's following, when only a handful of longtime DUers would denounce that shit. Celebrated in the Sanders group.

Your concern is noted. Let me know when an anti-Semite here posts a thread trashing Jewish people and it gets hundreds of recs.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
64. After months of his shit.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

And only after doubling and tripling down.

And he still has a following on that other hate site, along with posters like Manny and NYC_SKP. Not sure if you are over there but many DUers are.

And it's about to get more popular in two or so weeks.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
68. He's not posting at HillaryClintonSupporters, I don't think.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

And that's the only hate site I know of where DU'ers seem to frequent. You know, insane rants about Bernie being "in the bank for Israel to destroy the Democratic Party? Multi-page debates on whether nonwhties who support Bernie "count"? Lots of snarling about "self-hating" blacks and Jews and Latinos who support Sanders? William796 really out-did himself with that little place. But no, WillyT doesn't post there.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
72. Oh, okay, so what you're saying is that you don't know what a hate site is.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

Yeah, he posts at JPR. But we're talking about DU, aren't we?

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
107. No, wilt is a different kind of bigot.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

The kind who supports Clinton. Only Sanders supporting bigots are allowed there. WillyT's race baiting got him banned here. He's got farewell threads here in the hundreds of recs. People were actually upset when he got banned here. After months of race baiting the AA community.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
166. ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

Post is a callout of William769 and alleges that William, an openly gay DUer who mentions repeatedly that he is HIV positive, allows bigotry on his separate web site. This is a personal attack and a really nasty, unnecessary slam on a DUer who still posts here regularly

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 29, 2016, 10:08 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: As a rule I vote to hide profile-snooping replies on the ground that as a form of bullying they violate DU community standards.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disgusting, false charges against a long-time DUer; a shameful personal attack.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm gay and work in HIV prevention: William769's a nut

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
67. Btw, this is an indictment on the community.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

Not the admin who had revolutionary idea about using self moderating with the community. That guys like wilt and Willy got to keep posting shit only shows we allow it.

It was a damn fine experiment.

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. You keep saying the same thing(s) over and over again, yet you just can't put your finger....
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

....on where you get these attacks, nor can you substantiate them.

Why is that?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
117. Seems like they will not be allowed to stay either...funny the irony in that.
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:09 PM
May 2016

The new system, from what I've read, will have them flagged so I guess they need to get in whatever they can right now.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. You know what is fun about this
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

Back in the real world her troubles are far from over. So is skinner going to stop the meanies in tne press to stop covering the slow rolling scandal? If you guys chose to be ignorant, sure go for it. I have said it in the past. DU and Free Republic are two sides of the same coin.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
53. My poor ones. Funny thing it is hilarious actually
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

But the press you like is doing the same to you, as well Breitbart did to Bushbots during the Bush presidency. Echo chambers, this is one, are fun to watch it is a social studies thing...ah psychology.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
65. Nah, at this point I am seeing the exact same bunker mentality
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

That we see with Freepers. I hate to see that, alas that is what is happening. Good news, I am a fan of democracy, and an independent voter. But at no time I expected to see the same behavior. I guess that since both parties are going down in size, they are both left with hyper partisans.

You might not get it, and quite frankly don't care, but this is not healthy for your party. It is not healthy for the Rs either, but that is where we are. Earn my vote. And trust me, I need you to actually prove your party cares for the polucies I care...

To be more than just brutally honest, I don't expect it

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. You are talking about Sanders
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

Default position. I am not. Try again. I see two broken to the core parties. I see two parties who'se core partisans have a bunker mentality.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
90. Since I am a Decline to State voter
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

The dreaded independent, I am not married to either party. You need my vote in November.



And who your party chooses is your issue. But you are about to make a Weimar Republic level mistake and indirectly help to elect a fascist.

It is not the 1990s

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
100. I am far from special
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

But I am starting to despise this hyper partisanship...and both sides are alienating voters.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
103. Bipartisanship is our fault.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:24 PM
May 2016

We've had 8 years of a super bipartisan Admin.

No, we need to unite behind the party, elect blue dogs if necessary, oust the Republicans, and get shit done.

And yes, it's fucking controversial, but stop pandering to a certain fucking weak ass group of people who don't come out for the midterms. Fuck them.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
105. You are partisan. Even if you claim otherwise
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:28 PM
May 2016


Who I pretend to vote for depends on who counts the votes

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
109. Erm, I never said I wasn't?
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

I take partisanship as a compliment. As Barney Frank says, "I'm sorry to offend your sensibilities." That's how I think we should be. Offensive to peoples sensibilities.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
111. Good, I prefer to put the country ahead of party
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

That is a nice thing. I developed a level of contempt for Republicans during the Iraq debacle that almost became hate. I am starting to develop the same level of contempt for neoliberal democrats. It is not a nice place. There is a shitstorm coming...you will have to make a choice...the country...or your party.

And this is self inflicted.

I expect most of you to chose wrong

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
112. I stand with the core of the party.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

Minorities, women, AA, Latinos, LGBT, generally anyone who isn't part of the 60% or so whites that voted for Romney.

That means I stand with the country, because that's the majority. Demographics are one way. Trump does not and cannot get their vote. People may even die protesting the man. It's going to be very ugly.

Fuck the Romney voters, we don't need them, and fuck the privleged assholes who voted for Stein in 2012.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
114. Your party will have to make that choice
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:04 PM
May 2016

By the way, I am female, I am Jewish and I am Latina.

And this has nada to do with Sanders. So spare me sanders. I have read some of the emails in question before they were classified and redacted, but after they were released. That is when I went from this is the usual, to this is a real scandal

You will need to make that choice. The hour is getting late...some of this is now beyond the elite and beltway press...

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
119. Yeah, but you're likely the Stein demographic.
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

The purist type who refuses to vote for the lesser evil on principle. Justifies it because they are not in a swing state.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
123. Except that wasn't an insult.
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

Just offense to your sensibilities. You know what I said is absolutely true. You also know your accusation against me is false. And that's why you don't offend me. Made up shit can't offend me. It's tiresome, at most.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
130. Nah. Every time partisans cannot deal with facts
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:53 PM
May 2016

It is either, Sanders or purity tests. This is not that different from republicans in 2003 going for the ...purity test, or you are unamerican in 2003.

Think about that one. It is ugly and the fall for you guys will be just as ugly. I am not the enemy. But you think I am. Maybe I am. I am outside your fucking bubble. As to who I vote for, Stalin said it best, it does not matter who I vote for, but who counts the votes .

Partisans...

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
135. The green party got more votes in 2012...
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

...than they got since 2000.

Mainly from "liberals" like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002184082

These are the bipartisan people you're talking about. I don't want or need their support. It will not be our downfall.

And we'll see in 6 months. Easy. Not even sweating it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
136. You still don't get it
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

I don't expect you to get it. Partisans

And from your linked post, you prove that bunker mentality. Partisans

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
140. It shows why the party is having trouble with your left flank
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016

And you do not want commies. That is the way many in the neoliberal wing, a real thing, talk about progressive. But you have a problem with that bunker mentality. Incidental to this discussion is that a bunker mentality...but, but purity tests, but, but, but Sanders, indicate a more mature scandal.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
143. Every candidate that ran from Obama lost.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

Every single one. The candidate that embraced Obamacare? He won. And he was a dirty blue dog.

You damn right I'm partisan, fuck shitty candidates, fuck falling for shitty narratives that our guys are no better. Barney Frank is right.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
147. Again, you do not get it
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

This has again NOTHING TO DO WITH SANDERS OR PURITY TESTS BUT AN FBI INVESTIGATION. It is fucking real. Get out of the bunker. Or better yet, don't. I am not debating Sanders with you, or fucking purity., but a real thing.

Once again, I DO NOT CARE WHO YOUR PARTY NOMINATES. FOR ALL I CARE NOMINATE THE MAN ON THE MOON, BUT YOU ARE ABOUT TO MAKE A HISTORUC MISTAKE BECAUSE OF A FUCKING REAL FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. You keep talking about everything else.

Nominate the man on the moon, after the goat sacrifice and entrail reading for all I care. But she is a very damaged candidate and your party will learn how damaged...the rest of us will get to suffer through it.

And here is where the bunker mentality also shows up. You will have to make a choice, party or country. I hope you chose wisely, for all our sakes. The FBI investigation is not a fucking joke. She is already beyond damaged. Only partisans are having trouble understanding how damaging the OIG report already is. We have seen a media narrative switch on a dime.

But I do not expect people like you to get it. I really do not. After the fall out, re-read this. You might understand Cassandra had a point.

Your turn...I know, but Sanders...but purity. It's like talking to a parrot.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
148. OK, we'll see.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:24 AM
May 2016

And when you're wrong you'll act like nothing happened. That hundreds of your like minded posters spent thousands of real hours bashing the likely nominee over a very real right wing conspiracy will not even cross your radar.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
149. Ok that nothing burger just had a very real damaging report issued
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

Keep proving to me that bunker mentality

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
122. OH and Josh one more thing
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:31 PM
May 2016

This has nada to do with purity either. Your party will need to chose...and I will enjoy it...those who ignore this for partisan reasons will not be too happy

Loki

(3,825 posts)
162. Real world?
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:58 AM
May 2016

You like visiting Free Republic? Seem to know quite a lot about it. There isn't a scandal or a conspiracy theory that you don't like.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
164. Nope...CNN, and Facebook, and real world
Mon May 30, 2016, 10:01 AM
May 2016

But this place is going to enter the same paradigm, and be just as hilarious

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
121. Bullshit!!! Read the TOS. You must of forgot the complaints about Obama while running against.....
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:21 PM
May 2016

Romney.

So take your "get the fuck out" and shove it.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
157. I suppose he could have meant DC if he was being especially literal.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:45 AM
May 2016

But then I suppose he could have meant the voting by delegates at the convention. I suppose we could always ask.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. Wow, several replies, and yours is all I see.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

Must be some of the over 500 whom I shall never see until the great Meltdown of June 7.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
5. Supers count now...Hillary knew that in 2008, sanders is conning
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

His followers...it's over....and sanders is demonstrating he had no class

Supers are not changing their minds

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
35. I can't wait until the strawberry festeval and then the horse. Maybe I can call Dwany.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

What does he pay you? Does he pay you in excrement? Maybe it's the fishbowl.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
110. And until June ends
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

It will not be July, but most rational people expect July to arrive. No delegates vote till the convention, but on June 7 when Clinton reaches the total delegates count, pledged and super, needed to win the nomination, the press, the Party, the President and Skinner will call it. Then GD-P goes away.

This is the way it has worked since 1982(except the Skinner part). But I would not be surprised to read in the next few days the CT that the rules change back then was Hillary anticipating Bernie and rigging the system against him.

The ironic thing about me posting this is that I really do not like Hillary! But I have been around a while and have learned that life is often a matter of picking the best available mediocre option because perfect does not exist.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
139. One the first vote
Sun May 29, 2016, 11:56 PM
May 2016

She will win.

Are hoping Bernie is a bad loser and does not release his delegates like Clinton did in 08?

He will. Because if he doesn't he will still lose on the first vote. But he will also lose all the Senate committee assignments he has(unless he asks the repugs for some). He will be a bitter old man who shows up for votes in the Senate but has no committees that he belongs to.

And mainly he will think of his legacy. In 1999 most Democrats respected Nader. Now he is despised and laughed at by both parties. Bernie is smart enough to see that. In fact he has no use for Nader.

The question is how will Bernie supporters react when he endorses Clinton?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
141. OMG! Not at all! You misread me! Or I misread Bernie! He will release his delegates
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

after the appropriate vote and will IMO support the Democratic Party all the way! Why on earth would you suppose that someone who has never wavered from their word in 40 years of public service would change now? I suppose if you have been disappointed in the past, you might steel yourself for such an outcome. I'm sorry your trust has been so broken that you can put forward such predictions.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
146. Maybe we are talking past each other?
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

Or maybe I am not that smart. If you think Bernie will insist on behind the scene concessions, as he should, and concede before the convention we are on the same page. If you think Bernie is looking for a floor flight at the convention then refer to my previous post.

I take Bernie at his word and think on June 8 when Clinton has enough PD and SD for the nomination he will concede. The press, party and President will state as much. If Bernie keeps raising objections after that he hurts his party and cause.

I am curious how his die-hard supports will react.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
161. Not at all, but once it is down to the 2 candidates from the major parties,
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:53 AM
May 2016

The vast majority will look at what's left and make the best choice available.

Some will be jaded enough to not vote at all, leave the POTUS line blank, or do a write in. Hopefully not enough numbers in Ohio/Florida/Pennsylvania to make the difference.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. Oh and finally...whether Skinner likes it or not...
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

It is not over until either stands down or the nomination process is over. That is in July oh and those are DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. No it is not
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

And I suspect you all will get a bitter pill. By the way, I could give two fucks who you nominate...but it will be a historic mistake. Say hi to president trump...your party enabled that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
52. Nope, but I am not the one even going hurrah for a historic mistake.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

And remember, I am one of those pesky independents who are watching this horror show. At this point though, both parties are a mess! And it is your party making that mistake. So it will be lots of fun right until November.

It is also your party that keeps underestimating Trump

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
57. Hey, we are now the majority
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:26 PM
May 2016

In the country and we continue to go up in population percentage. And we like it this way.

So make sure, and I mean this, that your party, alienates independents.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
75. You have a lot to learn about elections and history, kiddo.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

You'll get there though.
Plenty to learn here on DU!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
76. Nope, I cover this shit kiddo
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:25 PM
May 2016

And I have yet to underestimate Trump...live with it, or not. I give two shits about it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
94. You need us more than we need you
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

It is not 1990 anymore.

Enjoy. I hear we are not that easy to bribe or scare



George II

(67,782 posts)
97. Not really. "You" (using your terminology) will never field a winning Presidential candidate....
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

...in fact, in the House, Senate, and Governorships, a total of 588 high elected officials, there are only three independents (one Governor and two Senators, all from relatively small states voter-wise - Alaska, New Hampshire, and Maine)

By the way, I (a proud Democrat) didn't vote for President in 1990, but I did vote for Bill Clinton.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
99. Look cupcake, yes you are cute
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:16 PM
May 2016

I cover this shit, as in local politics. What do you want to know if tje police review board? Perhaps line items in the city budget? And at this point I know both sides can do great harm and great good. It depends on where you stand.

As I said, I am a proud Independent Voter. Both of the parties need us to win. Enjoy that cupcake. We are not easily scared. And at this point, both parties are into bunker mentalities. It is nice to watch. But you need us. And we vote

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. They are including the supers
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

Which the party, DWS to be very specific, said they were not supposed to

jillan

(39,451 posts)
12. Where are you getting these numbers? LOL. Hillary STILL needs 614 Pledged Delegates to get to 2383.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

She needs 2383 and has 1769 right now.

You do the math!

That is according to the AP.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
13. Hillary's number is 614, not 73.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

Hillary needs 614 more pledged delegates to reach the 2383 to win the nomination. Bernie needs 884 more.

Hillary has a very, very good chance of reaching that 614 number. Bernie, no. But it is simply a mistake to count in any superdelegates until they actually vote.

If you are asked to calculate your net worth, you'd include money you have in the bank. You would not include any money that somebody promised to give you at some future time.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
37. Accounts receivable are legally binding.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

If a company - or a person - does not pay on an account receivable, the owed party can sue in civil court. An account receivable is a binding promise. So it makes sense to count it towards your net wealth.

A superdelegate's pledge is not a binding promise. It just isn't.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
40. Accounts receivable are contractually obligated to be received.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

They can be calculated into net worth because the entity paying into the accounts receivable is legally obligated to make the payment, barring something like bankruptcy at least.

However, in the case of superdelegates, there is no such obligation for them to vote for the candidate that they have said they support. At best, superdelegates are like someone who told you, "I'll give you $400 two months from now." Without a contract to require payment (and to be clear, a contract in this context would be more like bribery because a contract would require you to give some form of consideration--and in a nominating convention that "consideration" is likely to be votes or favors in office--for that $400), that isn't legally enforceable.

As collecting that $400 cannot be legally enforced, it wouldn't count in a net worth calculation unless and until it was paid.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
80. Not the case. Those votes do not even exist until the convention is seated. If a pledged delegate
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

can't attend the convention, a replacement is sent. If an unpledged delegate can't attend that vote does not exist, it is not replaced. No proxy. When those who are elected lose their office, that vote is no longer theirs, and it is not transferred to another unless a Democrat wins the election to replace them.


The Party rules do not call them 'Super Delegates' but rather 'unpledged delegates' because that is what they are, any pledge they make is in fact contrary to their defined role in the process, that of being unpledged.

The conflicts come from the abuse of their status long in advance of that status being actual, which is at the convention and only at the convention.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
15. The super delegates don't vote until the convention.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

She won't have cliched anything until then. And with her legal trouble, It probably won't happen then either.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
27. The pledged are counted
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

This is party rules, not the supers. Do so...not like partisans are not doing everything in their power to both change the conversation, control tne narrative, and kick out progressives. Ah how to make a mess. But go for it. I am enjoying this. One, if not both, diminishing sized parties will have more trouble with the rest of the electorate.

It would be historic if...both parties splintered...which is precisely what is happening.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
28. Yeah, but the bullshit will continue here for another week after the nominee is chosen.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:57 PM
May 2016

Then the choices will be "Get The Fuck In Line" or "Get The Fuck Out".

June 14 cannot get here fast enough.

Bleacher Creature

(11,237 posts)
41. Agree. It's gone completely off the rails.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

I had someone argue to me today that Clinton would be as bad as Trump - using those exact words.

How do you even argue with someone who believes something like that?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
43. I alert on anybody that says that shit.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

Then I alert on the results regardless.

Skinner and EarlG are banning posters for that shit on sight.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
56. The trolls are getting braver
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:26 PM
May 2016

They know their time is coming to and end, so they are going to double down on their goal to disrupt and try and get as many "real" Democrats as they can to NOT vote in November. There will be a few that might buy into their BS, but not that many. Most of those who claim they will NEVER vote for Hillary are either other trolls, are the old anti Obama crowd that has been pushing the same BS since Obama was elected. Many of them are libertarians, green party, and even a few Paulites who weren't going to vote for here anyway, and probably never voted for Obama.

Anyone with half a brain knows how bad Trump would be, and they will get out and vote to make damn sure that does not happen.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
34. It is exciting to reach the required delegates but I am looking forward to the vote counts.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

Every vote counts and all delegates are important.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
38. If it's done right, it is by acclamation.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

That's how Hillary handled things so graciously in 2008.

If Sanders fucks up and pushes a first ballot, he will become a pariah forever politically. Vermont won't get shit as long as he's a Senator. Democrats will go out of their way to shit all over him, and rightfully so. He'll have no committee assignments.

Bleacher Creature

(11,237 posts)
46. Leahy is a great Democrat.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

VT will be ok, but people will go out of their way to make sure that Sanders doesn't get credit for any of it.

I really wish there was some way to run a real Democrat against him. It's too bad there's no way to run someone against him in his personal party of "me."

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
47. Its kinda simple, first vote, the majority delegate count wins, the pledged delegates
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016

Are committed in the first vote.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
151. Yep
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

A bitter old man showing up for floor votes but nothing else. Even Leahy will shun him.

Which is why he will honor his word and endorse Clinton by June 10. Actually I think better of Bernie he will honor his word because he gave it.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
152. You trust him more tham I ecer have or ever will.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:42 AM
May 2016

I think he WANTS another '68 style set of riots,

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
153. I hope you are wrong.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

I love neither candidate. And I hope Bernie is true to his word. But I am not a socialist.

And I get your fear. Hard-core socialist have a history of trying to wreak havoc. If Bernie pulls that shit, he will be killing any chance for democratic socialism in the next 40 years.

I am concerned that Bernie has never been able to work with anyone and that perhaps all these young kids had his rallies have gone to his head. But he is over 70 years old, and must know that votes mean something.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
74. WOW, the over 500 must be out in force.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

It's gonna be fun come June 7 when I take 'em all off ignore to watch the meltdown.

QC

(26,371 posts)
127. Not even repeated amnesties following amnesties that followed other amnesties?
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

Gee, that will put some folks in a bind.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
128. Well if you read ATA looks like the admins are done playing that game.
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:51 PM
May 2016

Done with a lot of the repeat bullshit we've had to put up with since DU3 opened for business. I for one salute them and cannot wait for a more peaceful site.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
131. you know
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

by trying to hurry up the process and trying to declare everything dead on arrival, you only anger people and make people think that you tried to crush any opposition to the coronation in the egg.

If you are really so secure, then you do not need to scream "she is inevitable" at the top of your lungs..

or if you want an echo chamber, go to the group this is one.

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