2016 Postmortem
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(14,689 posts)As a Bernie supporter, I'd recommend to delete. If not, it will surely be hidden.
still_one
(98,883 posts)sites and arguments to advocate against Clinton.
This isn't one of them
If the OP at least put sarcasm, it might be viewed as such
eridani
(51,907 posts)Although a number of other socialist party sites might disagree with that.
still_one
(98,883 posts)These headlines from the site the OP referred to, they are not liberal, or even moderate stories. They are pure R/W, and very Trumpish:
The first story in the link below discusses how "people of color are the real racists"
The second story is a Sanders hit piece saying that Sanders is an abusive employer
The third story is a Hillary hit piece saying "finally Hillary might get what she deserves", implying that Trump could be the savior
and the bullshit goes on and on, and it doesn't stop there. In the sidebar, they have all kinds of garbage, from racist articles to bogus stories
That site is no liberal or even moderate viewpoints. It is pure ragged right wing trash
http://www.independentsentinel.com/category/general-news/
eridani
(51,907 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)Democratic candidates. So, I guess you can say they endorse Sanders too if he wins the nomination.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)since 1934, I believe. And I fully expect them to endorse Clinton THIS year.
BTW, I'm a Trotskyist and we have a different take on bourgeois elections.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Any supporters of them are either
an idiot or a poser.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)But here is STARK REALITY...
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I have no doubt SMDH
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)I mean, are we going to throw the former chairperson of the United States Communist Party under the Bernie bus too? Of course, when you're a SINO, then the opinion of actual socialists may not matter too much to you.
still_one
(98,883 posts)they support any of the Democratic candidates over Trump.
I guess that means they endorse Sanders also
This is one of the oldest political games
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)This is the main point made by Webb, for those who think being endorsed by Communist Party is a good thing, which I do.
still_one
(98,883 posts)whoever the Democratic nominee is.
Does that mean they have endorsed Clinton?
Does that mean they have endorsed Sanders?
Not really. It means they are against Trump
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Without question there are serious problems and weaknesses with the Clinton campaign. Clinton carries a lot of historic baggage including her ties to Wall Street, hawkishness on foreign policy, etc. It is so obviously unseemly and tone deaf to accept such large speaking fees from Wall Street. But we know this already.
In addition, there are the new low-level red-baiting attacks coming from Democratic National Committee and Clinton surrogates.
But this doesnt reflect everything. On all the major democratic issues and demands, i.e. collective bargaining rights, racial and gender equity, climate change, immigration reform, etc., Clinton is on the right side.
On the other hand, among some of Sanderss supporters there is a Bernie or Bust mentality. They have declared they will sit out the elections if Clinton is the nominee. This is not the dominant trend but its a problem among those who see the Sanders campaign as a way to bash the Democratic Party.
Sanders doesnt share this view and has handled the efforts to turn him against Hillary very well. Sanders also appreciates the right danger and will be part of the anti-right coalition even if he loses, as will President Obama. This is important because there are pressures on us to abandon our balanced strategic approach.
still_one
(98,883 posts)For them it is anyone running against Trump
That means whoever the Democratic nominee is, and that won't be determined until after all the primaries, and the Convention
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA#Presidential_tickets
So its sorta of true, the chairman of the party thought
Hillary had a better chance than Sanders beating the GOP. But in his letter he really didn't support either in the primary race.. He is extremely wishy washy.
You can read his letter to 'the faithful' here
http://www.cpusa.org/article/taking-a-sober-look-at-the-2016-election/
However thie CPUSA party is considered a joke, irrelevant and corrupted not just nationally with other socialists organizations but internationally too with leftist, socialist organizations and communist organizations which win elections and have major support.
eridani
(51,907 posts)They may have a point.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and infiltrated by so many US agents that its a joke.
Follow the money and funding that props them up.
The leader is a joke.. nobody but ignorant fools follows them. They have no support, win no elections have no canidates, like I said they are irrelevant. ..... They did win an international world award however. It was for being a joke, a sham, a hypocritical worthless organization
still_one
(98,883 posts)Democratic nominee is. Which is pretty much what they said on their site.
and that will be determined after the primaries, and the Convention
In short, their position is anyone but trump
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)We have a stance of opposing the ultra-right and will work to defeat them in the general.
If you are interested in Sam's work, his other posts are instructive: http://samwebb.org/hillary-clinton-frederick-douglass-and-imagination-a-lesson-in-dialectics/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I just don't understand what is happening with DU.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Bernie Sanders isnt the kindly old curmudgeon he makes himself out to be say former employees.
According to some who have worked closely with Sanders over the years, grumpy grandpa doesnt even begin to describe it. They characterize the senator as rude, short-tempered and, occasionally, downright hostile.
http://www.independentsentinel.com/bernie-sanders-can-be-a-real-son-of-a-bitch-to-work-for-say-former-employees/
From the OP's website.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)Is this the level of attack that will be in place for the next week, until we learn the result of the June 7 primaries? How sad.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I don't understand why using the far right and their poisonous rhetoric to tear down our nominee is acceptable. This should be banhammer material.
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