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anyone recall how much jail time Petraeus, Gonzales and Berger did for mishandling classified info? (Original Post) hill2016 May 2016 OP
Interesting question. Thinkingabout May 2016 #1
New talking point! nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #2
At least they are imagining an indictment and apparently the possibility of a conviction NWCorona May 2016 #11
Difference is, they weren't running for President. And never will. leveymg May 2016 #13
Difference is they actually revealed classified and TS information to others on purpose. Jitter65 May 2016 #42
Well I could make a cruel joke but won't nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #16
Anyone recall how many terms those three served as president?? opiate69 May 2016 #3
I guess I'll never run for President Arneoker May 2016 #39
What employment do they currently hold that involves classified information? gordianot May 2016 #4
I don't recall any of them running for president. Nope. n/t Avalux May 2016 #5
And the bar lowers... HubertHeaver May 2016 #6
You think? "I've Never Been Imprisoned!" is a fine slogan QC May 2016 #8
So you're saying that she is not likely to get indicted? Arneoker May 2016 #40
No jail time for Petraeus.. choie May 2016 #7
Berger was convicted, fined $100K. No jail. Different charge after leveymg May 2016 #15
suspended security clearance would make it difficult to function as president... n/t Mohammed_Lee May 2016 #9
No, it wouldn't since the President is the ultimate authority on security clearances. stevenleser May 2016 #23
She isnt President yet lmbradford May 2016 #36
He KNEW it was classified and told. apcalc May 2016 #10
She knew it was classified too but told him "keep 'em coming" leveymg May 2016 #18
Does this sounds like someone who didn't know there was classified material? Bob41213 May 2016 #24
She knew, but was incredibly cavalier about classified information. leveymg May 2016 #25
It sounds like she knew she was receiving extremely sensitive and Press Virginia May 2016 #33
Yes leveymg May 2016 #34
And strip the information that was classified Arneoker May 2016 #41
No, she said the identifying classification headers. Here's the exact quote: leveymg May 2016 #45
Baloney apcalc May 2016 #43
Hey, a good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. leveymg May 2016 #44
Petraeus pled guilty to violating the law, are you saying Clinton violated the law and should also.. PoliticAverse May 2016 #12
So, as long as she's not actually *in jail*, she'll be a swell president? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #14
that's good....now you are admitting reality. grasswire May 2016 #17
Phew! Some Hillary supporters finally admitting she's committed crimes riderinthestorm May 2016 #19
I think what the OP was pointing out, is that even if the lies being spread were to happen, anotherproletariat May 2016 #20
shed be stripped of her security clearance and have a conviction Press Virginia May 2016 #32
The " Dick " Cheney didn't get any time for outing a CIA operative n/t doc03 May 2016 #21
Neither did Richard Armitage, who was the person who actually leaked Press Virginia May 2016 #28
Nobody in the GWB administration got any time for lying us into a war or doc03 May 2016 #22
HRC was a major part of making that lie real. leveymg May 2016 #27
I think they pleaded down to misdemeanors. If there is an indictment Press Virginia May 2016 #26
I hear you... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #29
They sure as fuck abakan May 2016 #30
I Don't Know: Chasstev365 May 2016 #31
Does anyone remember what political offices they were elected to after...? Peachhead22 May 2016 #35
Part of the statute lmbradford May 2016 #37
John Kiriakou did 30 months. Fawke Em May 2016 #38
with friends like these reddread May 2016 #46
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
42. Difference is they actually revealed classified and TS information to others on purpose.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:51 AM
May 2016

And Pratreaus had a paramour who received this information during their sexual trysts.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
3. Anyone recall how many terms those three served as president??
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

Or, hell, let's lower the bar. Anyone recall how many years they were allowed to continue on in their jobs after?

gordianot

(15,191 posts)
4. What employment do they currently hold that involves classified information?
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:08 PM
May 2016

You don't always go to jail but let the punishment fit the crime?

Arneoker

(375 posts)
40. So you're saying that she is not likely to get indicted?
Reply to QC (Reply #8)
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 AM
May 2016

A lot of the other Bernie supporters have been saying something very different. Or do talking points change depending?

choie

(4,058 posts)
7. No jail time for Petraeus..
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

But he was charged with and plead guilty to a misdemeanor after the FBI and DOJ recommended felony charges..nice try at deflection..

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. Berger was convicted, fined $100K. No jail. Different charge after
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

pleading down to destroying federal records. Interesting case. He tried to destroy all the after-action reports about the entry of the Flt. 77 hijackers entry in January 2000. These are the ones thst CIA and NSA was tracking as they attended the AQ planning summit in Kuala Lumpur and then after they entered the US the FBI liaison at CTC was ordered to withhold a warning cableb to FBI headquarters.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
23. No, it wouldn't since the President is the ultimate authority on security clearances.
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

The President can decide who is and who isn't cleared for something and can declassify or classify information.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110113190609/http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm

By virtue of his constitutional role as commander-and-in-chief and head of the executive branch, the President has access to all national intelligence collected, analyzed and produced by the Intelligence Community. The President's position also affords him the authority - which, at certain times, has been aggressively asserted (1) - to restrict the flow of intelligence information to Congress and its two intelligence committees, which are charged with providing legislative oversight of the Intelligence Community. (2) As a result, the President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods. They, unlike Members of Congress, also have the authority to more extensively task the Intelligence Community, and its extensive cadre of analysts, for follow-up information. As a result, the President and his most senior advisors arguably are better positioned to assess the quality of the Community's intelligence more accurately than is Congress. (5)

In addition to their greater access to intelligence, the President and his senior advisors also are better equipped than is Congress to assess intelligence information by virtue of the primacy of their roles in formulating U.S. foreign policy. Their foreign policy responsibilities often require active, sustained, and often personal interaction, with senior officials of many of the same countries targeted for intelligence collection by the Intelligence Community. Thus the President and his senior advisors are uniquely positioned to glean additional information and impressions - information that, like certain sensitive intelligence information, is generally unavailable to Congress - that can provide them with an important additional perspective with which to judge the quality of intelligence.

Authorities Governing Executive Branch Control Over National Intelligence

The President is able to control dissemination of intelligence information to Congress because the Intelligence Community is part of the executive branch. It was created by law and executive order principally to serve that branch of government in the execution of its responsibilities. (6) Thus, as the head of the executive branch, the President generally is acknowledged to be "the owner" of national intelligence.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
36. She isnt President yet
Mon May 30, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

This would prevent her from ever getting clearance again or holding public office or govt job.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. She knew it was classified too but told him "keep 'em coming"
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

On another occasion, she told an aide to "strip the (classification) headers and "send unsecure." She knew exactly what she was doing.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
24. Does this sounds like someone who didn't know there was classified material?
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

HRC: "If not classified or otherwise inappropriate, can you send to the NYTimes reporters who interviewed me today?"

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/9821

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
25. She knew, but was incredibly cavalier about classified information.
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

Too big to touch, or so she assumed.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
33. It sounds like she knew she was receiving extremely sensitive and
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

likely classified information...and knew it

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
45. No, she said the identifying classification headers. Here's the exact quote:
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

"If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
44. Hey, a good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:32 AM
May 2016

Beats eating crow, like the HRC apologia squad has been in recent days.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
12. Petraeus pled guilty to violating the law, are you saying Clinton violated the law and should also..
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

plead guilty to doing so?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
14. So, as long as she's not actually *in jail*, she'll be a swell president?
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:47 PM
May 2016

How about house arrest? Do they make ankle monitors that match the green pantsuit?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
17. that's good....now you are admitting reality.
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

Admitting that HRC is under investigation and did wrong.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
20. I think what the OP was pointing out, is that even if the lies being spread were to happen,
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:11 PM
May 2016

that the seriousness of what you all are talking about would not disqualify anyone from running for, or serving as president.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
32. shed be stripped of her security clearance and have a conviction
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

I doubt it would play well to the masses. And it would be campaign ad after campaign ad attacking her as incompetent or worse

doc03

(34,303 posts)
22. Nobody in the GWB administration got any time for lying us into a war or
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

violating the Geneva Convention.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
27. HRC was a major part of making that lie real.
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

We can now do something about not rewarding her. The rest have the ten year Statute of Limitations to shield themselves, tragically.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
26. I think they pleaded down to misdemeanors. If there is an indictment
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

There will be a plea deal or a commutation.
HRC won't do a second in jail.

abakan

(1,765 posts)
30. They sure as fuck
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

weren't nominated for president. Any kind of comparison between anyone and herself is like comparing snakes to elephants.
They are both air breathing creatures, and that's all.

Peachhead22

(1,075 posts)
35. Does anyone remember what political offices they were elected to after...?
Mon May 30, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

_after_ their cases? Besides they were never elected to anything. They were appointed.

I doubt any one of them could be elected dogcatcher now. They're all pariahs.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
37. Part of the statute
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

States clearly that anyone in violation of mishandling classified info will be stripped of clearance, never have it again, and canno hold office or govt jobs even at low levels.

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