2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumanyone recall how much jail time Petraeus, Gonzales and Berger did for mishandling classified info?
just wondering...

Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and it is evolving
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Nor will she.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)And Pratreaus had a paramour who received this information during their sexual trysts.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)Or, hell, let's lower the bar. Anyone recall how many years they were allowed to continue on in their jobs after?
Arneoker
(375 posts)That will ensure that I never get indicted!
gordianot
(15,191 posts)You don't always go to jail but let the punishment fit the crime?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,516 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)for a presidential candidate!
Arneoker
(375 posts)A lot of the other Bernie supporters have been saying something very different. Or do talking points change depending?
choie
(4,058 posts)But he was charged with and plead guilty to a misdemeanor after the FBI and DOJ recommended felony charges..nice try at deflection..
leveymg
(36,418 posts)pleading down to destroying federal records. Interesting case. He tried to destroy all the after-action reports about the entry of the Flt. 77 hijackers entry in January 2000. These are the ones thst CIA and NSA was tracking as they attended the AQ planning summit in Kuala Lumpur and then after they entered the US the FBI liaison at CTC was ordered to withhold a warning cableb to FBI headquarters.
Mohammed_Lee
(38 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The President can decide who is and who isn't cleared for something and can declassify or classify information.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110113190609/http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm
By virtue of his constitutional role as commander-and-in-chief and head of the executive branch, the President has access to all national intelligence collected, analyzed and produced by the Intelligence Community. The President's position also affords him the authority - which, at certain times, has been aggressively asserted (1) - to restrict the flow of intelligence information to Congress and its two intelligence committees, which are charged with providing legislative oversight of the Intelligence Community. (2) As a result, the President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods. They, unlike Members of Congress, also have the authority to more extensively task the Intelligence Community, and its extensive cadre of analysts, for follow-up information. As a result, the President and his most senior advisors arguably are better positioned to assess the quality of the Community's intelligence more accurately than is Congress. (5)
In addition to their greater access to intelligence, the President and his senior advisors also are better equipped than is Congress to assess intelligence information by virtue of the primacy of their roles in formulating U.S. foreign policy. Their foreign policy responsibilities often require active, sustained, and often personal interaction, with senior officials of many of the same countries targeted for intelligence collection by the Intelligence Community. Thus the President and his senior advisors are uniquely positioned to glean additional information and impressions - information that, like certain sensitive intelligence information, is generally unavailable to Congress - that can provide them with an important additional perspective with which to judge the quality of intelligence.
Authorities Governing Executive Branch Control Over National Intelligence
The President is able to control dissemination of intelligence information to Congress because the Intelligence Community is part of the executive branch. It was created by law and executive order principally to serve that branch of government in the execution of its responsibilities. (6) Thus, as the head of the executive branch, the President generally is acknowledged to be "the owner" of national intelligence.
lmbradford
(517 posts)This would prevent her from ever getting clearance again or holding public office or govt job.
apcalc
(4,426 posts)Very different..,
leveymg
(36,418 posts)On another occasion, she told an aide to "strip the (classification) headers and "send unsecure." She knew exactly what she was doing.
Bob41213
(491 posts)HRC: "If not classified or otherwise inappropriate, can you send to the NYTimes reporters who interviewed me today?"
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/9821
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Too big to touch, or so she assumed.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)likely classified information...and knew it
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Arneoker
(375 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)"If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure."
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Beats eating crow, like the HRC apologia squad has been in recent days.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)plead guilty to doing so?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)How about house arrest? Do they make ankle monitors that match the green pantsuit?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Admitting that HRC is under investigation and did wrong.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)A 1st step...
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)that the seriousness of what you all are talking about would not disqualify anyone from running for, or serving as president.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)I doubt it would play well to the masses. And it would be campaign ad after campaign ad attacking her as incompetent or worse
doc03
(34,303 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)her name to Novak
doc03
(34,303 posts)violating the Geneva Convention.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)We can now do something about not rewarding her. The rest have the ten year Statute of Limitations to shield themselves, tragically.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)There will be a plea deal or a commutation.
HRC won't do a second in jail.
LenaBaby61
(6,894 posts)OP
abakan
(1,765 posts)weren't nominated for president. Any kind of comparison between anyone and herself is like comparing snakes to elephants.
They are both air breathing creatures, and that's all.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Did they launder money with a foundation?
Peachhead22
(1,075 posts)_after_ their cases? Besides they were never elected to anything. They were appointed.
I doubt any one of them could be elected dogcatcher now. They're all pariahs.
lmbradford
(517 posts)States clearly that anyone in violation of mishandling classified info will be stripped of clearance, never have it again, and canno hold office or govt jobs even at low levels.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)who needs traitors?