If Hillary is the nominee and loses in the GE, Bernie Supporters will say

[politicaljunkie41910]

we told you so.

If Bernie is the nominee and loses in the GE, Bernie Supporters will say, no one could beat Trump in 2016.

I'm willing to take my chances with Hillary.

Sanders and his people like to refer to Hillary as the anointed one, but I don't know a single Hillary supporter, who acts as if she walks on water. Instead, the people I know who are voting for her never thought of her as being perfect, just ready for the job for which she was pursuing. The Bernie supporters I encounter, on the other hand, think he's perfect which shows their naivete. They then proceed to try and explain to me why, if I only knew the REAL Hillary I'd think differently. When I proceed to tell them that I've known Hillary longer than they've been on this earth, they then try to ask me about things that they think I don't know about this or that. They then usually tend to ask me about the 1994 Crime Bill that Bill Clinton signed which I find offensive since I am a POC. When I come back with, "Did you know that Bernie voted for the 1994 Crime Bill, they then change the subject. I then ask them did they know that Bills originate in the House and in the Senate, not the Oval Office, and that a Bill has to make its way through both Houses before a President can sign it (or veto it) they then change the subject. But by then, I'm done with them. I've been on this earth too long, and while I don't think I know everything, there are few things that a 20-something can teach me unless it's about my I-Phone which for the most part, I don't care about as long as I can dial out when I need to.

[Trust Buster]

1. Trump stands alone. If this country is crazy enough to elect that buffoon, it won't be on account

of the Democratic nominee.

[Scootaloo]

2. I'm glad you got that off your chest

Let me know if you ever get around to actually worrying half as much about Hillary's GE opponent as you do about whether I'm sufficiently reverential towards her, kay?

Like... late October, I'm guessing?

[politicaljunkie41910]

10. First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I don't care whether or not

You are sufficiently reverential towards her. Those are your words not mine, and I don't even know what that is supposed to mean since I didn't suggest it.

Secondly, even though my husband has voluntarily worked with the DNC for the past three presidential elections neither my life nor my lifestyle will change regardless of who is in office. I am a 40 year member of the Democratic Party, and I have always supported the party to make life easier and the world a better place for my fellow Democrats so I don't need anyone to tell me how to think as a member of the Democratic Party, or what a Progressive looks like, thinks like, or talk likes.

[Scootaloo]

21. I think this line says it all

neither my life nor my lifestyle will change regardless of who is in office.

How nice for you.

Second, after having written this nice OP where you presume to speak for Sanders supporters, you don't get to tell other people to not "put words in your mouth." Especially not when your whole point is that you are sniveling about the proles not being properly deferential to your candidate.

[mythology]

31. The difference between the OP and you, is that you're just making things up

The OP isn't sniveling, or talking about anybody not being deferential. You on the other hand are being almost a parody of what the OP was talking about. As they said, the only people who talk as if Clinton supporters think Clinton walks on water are Sanders supporters, of which you're providing an excellent example.

[Cobalt Violet]

32. she's got hers the hell with us!

Loud and clear. Of course she's supporting Hillary.

[GoneFishin]

34. I don't know about private individuals, but it does seem that public figures whose money and

notoriety means they will likely never be drafted into the cat food brigade are much less choosy about who the Democratic nominee is. They just don't feel the urgency to the the same degree as those of us feeling the actual effects of stagnant wages and a predator-induced escalating cost of living.

[Cobalt Violet]

43. They can afford to take a big gamble on Hillary and lose.

A lot more of us can't afford that gamble.

[flor-de-jasmim]

26. And yet, I (also a member of the party for some 40 years), am being told how I should think...

...because I may not wish to "fall in line" this time around.

[pdsimdars]

35. Wasn't that the whole premise of your OP? Putting words in Bernie supporters' mouth?

You just MADE UP what YOU THOUGHT Bernie supporters would say if Bernie lost.
And then you have the gall to accuse someone ELSE of putting words in other's mouth. Ha! Not much self awareness there.

Hillary will lose. Those are the numbers and they are getting clearer every week.

To your thinking, just WHICH of these issues do you think makes the world a better place?




I disagree with ALL of them. I think they have ALL made the world a worse place. I don't think corporations have conscience enough to run the world. I think people should look at facts and reality and not be such sheep.

[B Calm]

37. Wow, her and Trump do have a lot in common. Thanks

[dchill]

3. Your main point is the 1994 crime bill?

How disingenuous you are.

In Sanders’ statement at the time, he criticized the mass incarceration and death penalty provisions in the bill, saying:

“…it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence.

And Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country, and all of the executions in the world, will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails.

Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.”

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-voted-for-1994-crime-bill-to-support-assault-weapons-ban-violence-against-women-provisions/

[Baobab]

9. If you're talking about the trade deals they already promised those jobs to the developing countries

decades ago.

The young people most of them don't have the education and they are too in debt to work for peanuts.

[politicaljunkie41910]

13. I could care less whether you think I am disingenuous or not.

Bernie the purist still voted for the 1994 Crime Bill. He can spend all the time he wants trying to justify why he did but in the final analysis, he has a recorded vote of YEA in the record book just like everyone else who voted for it. Most bills that get passed have things attached to it by others who want to make their opinion known as well. It's the game that gets played in Washington. If Bernie wants to be a purist and qualify his votes, while holding others votes against them even when they voted the same way as he did. FTR, Bernie. Nobody gives a shit why you voted YES for the Crime Bill. If you voted YES, your YES registered the same YES as everyone else's YES, regardless of why you seem to think your YES means something different than the YES registered by all others who voted YES.

[dchill]

14. I don't think you're disingenuous...

I know it. And who says "Bernie the purist?" Nobody I know.

[k8conant]

4. I'll accept that...

along with a shaker of salt. You're entitled to your opinion.

BTW, we who support Sanders DO NOT LIKE to refer to Hillary as the anointed one: we're just seeing what the Democratic Establishment is doing.

Also, many of those on DU that support Hillary, if they don't think she walks on water, seem to think she can do no wrong.

I doubt that you've known Hillary for more than 67 years.

[Eric J in MN]

6. I've never said after a Democrat lost a presidential election

...that no Denocrat could have won.

In the scenario of Sanders getting the nomination and losing, I wouldn't.

I don't think his primary campaign has been flawless and I expect Hilary Clinton to get the nomination. But I wouldn't say it was impossible to defeat Clinton in the 2016 primaries. Maybe if the Sanders campaign had an even better strategy then he'd be leading in the primaries.

[pdsimdars]

36. She just made that shit up and then got offended by someone else putting words in her mouth.

what a hypocrite. What else would we expect from what we've seen so far?

[Baobab]

7. The liklihood of Bernie losing is much much lower than the probability of HRC losing.

nt

[Live and Learn]

8. Nobody could beat Trump???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Art_from_Ark]

15. To paraphrase Bugs Bunny:

"He don't know us very well, do he?"

[Live and Learn]

16. Jheesh, I can't think of a single person that could lose to him except Hillary.

They just don't make cartoons like they use to.

[BootinUp]

11. Truth has a left-center bias. nt

[hollysmom]

12. well don't make generalizations, Sander's is not perfect, Clinton is not perfect

No one is perfect.
I try and find the one that is closest to working for my benefit and for me that is Sanders.
not all bills are perfect BUT - there are things in my interest in the interest of others, that I would like to se enacted.

I believe this country is working on failed economic policies - I find it so hard to believe how many things have turned on their head in my lifetime. The economic failure is bringing on other negative effects, the constant drain of corporatism and tax breaks for companies is draining the quality of services and schools and quality of life with all the poisons being added to the environment. I cannot support someone who believes in these trade bills that are nothing more than giving away the rights of people in countries to control their own lives. I was so very lucky to live the life I did, when we could march and protest and actually get things changed, I just don't get why the people in this country buy that we are so poor, we can't afford good things, but we can't spend enough on war and, poh no, don't tell us how much money you wasted no accountability for the military and also we can't afford to pay for the soldiers after they are out of the military even for their related illnesses.
So my candidate would not be very aggressive on war and would want quality of life to improve for all and would have to think that corporations muct be held accountable when they prey on people. I don't hear that in Clinton, I hear that in Sanders.

[politicaljunkie41910]

22. Sorry but our trade deals are not the root of all evil as many here are lead to believe.

Yes I understand why it would appear to be that way to most people, especially those whose livlihood had been adversely impacted by jobs lost to foreign competitors. Unfortunately these things are more complicated than can be explained in 30 second sound bites. Although Fareed Zakaria did a very good job of explaining just that on his Sunday morning show "Fareed Zakaria GPS" this past Sunday.

Donald Trump is winning the day because we have a large percentage of the populous that is ignorant of many of the facts that they don't care to know about. And this is happening in spite of the fact that Trump himself is ignorant of most facts. The fact that he is one candidate away from being President of the United States says more about this nation's voting populous than it says about Trump. Trump knows that he is a con artist. Trump knows that he is ignorant of most facts that he should know as a candidate for POTUS. The fact that he is getting away with not being challenged on his ignorance by his base and the Press says more about his base and the Press than it says about Trump. Trump knows that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth. As the saying goes, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Trump is just capitalizing on this fact. It's what a Con Man does.

[hollysmom]

24. As an educated person, I know very well that these are complex deals

Please don't put me in with trump supporters, I really feel quite insulted.

are you a a trade specialist, if so, that would make for an interesting discussion, I am a pension specialist and I really really know about H1B visa people since I worked with them since the law passed and my entire department was replaced by a group of H1B visa people. Not a trade specialist. However not being a trade specialist does not mean I know nothing about them.

the way these deals were written shows what is wrong. yeah yeah I understand some stuff has to be kept secret and companies can write their wish lists and tell what they want - but corporations should not be the ones with writing the entire deal so it is favorable to them and we, the people have no say and get screwed each and every time. There is no way that any trade agreement should overturn environmental or safety laws. I am still really pissed that the US had to revoke a law about labeling meat to the country of origin. It is hard enough to get congress to pass those laws.

So if you want to talk about trade laws talk about it, don't jsut dismiss others of not being worthy.

[pdsimdars]

38. Now, THAT is very well said. Nails it. . . .punctuation, but one lone, boring run on sentence.

That captures it perfectly.

Start a new game, how many words can you use to say absolutely nothing.

[aikoaiko]

18. you're funny.

[akbacchus_BC]

20. It has always been the lesser of two evils except when I really thought that Edwards was perfect

for the Presidency. Look how he effed up! He had a great career and when he talked about two Americas, I was so proud of him. Goes to show that you can trust a person and then that person diminishes your trust!

[akbacchus_BC]

19. No, if Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, all of Mr. Sanders supporters will vote for her!

There is no way a democrat would stay home and not vote and let Trump win, no way!

Mrs. Clinton may not be likeable with a lot of us, but my goodness, she is far better than a republican. Do not stay home and let that dipshit trump win. America would suffer and not only you all, the world would be too.

[pdsimdars]

39. You just don't GET IT. Bernie supporters are NOT a cult of personality like Hillary's supporters

With them it is all Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, when they surely don't support her actual stance on issues. With us Bernie supporters, it isn't about Bernie it is about the issues he actually stands for.
These are many of the issues and there are their stances.





To summarize, for Bernie supporters it is the ISSUES
For Hillary supporters they ignore the issues.



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[ThinkCritically]

23. The problems you have with your i-phone...

are what put our national security at risk when Hillary tried to use a blackberry. Maybe you're living in the past still. Half of the country no longer lives in the Clinton era. We're already getting past the Obama era. We're moving in to the progressive era where we take back our voting rights, create economic security for poor and middle income Americans, educate as many young people as we can, and give healthcare to every single person in this country. There are some things that corporations should not control. And every single one of them should be a human right. Voting rights, economic security, education, and healthcare. We have to fight until that is achieved or else continue letting them suck us dry for every last nickel for our basic needs.

[Lucinda]

25. KNR Thank you!

[Sky Masterson]

27. I'll be here to tell you that.

And to shake my head at the Naivete of those whose clouded vision blocked them from realizing that most people don't carry the faith or passion for her. Most people see her as a continuation of the problem. Voter turnout will be at record lows because she inspires no one. Have fun with the risk. If she wraps it up I'm tuning out like so many others will.
I effectively won't have a horse in this race

[YOHABLO]

28. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but allowing Trump to become President would be the end of civilization

I will vote for Hillary and if she beats Trump in the GE we will have to hold her accountable on every piece of Right Wing legislation she does not veto or tries to compromise on .. because you know it's going to happen. ... she has taken over Bernie's agenda and verbally expresses it, but will she act on it? That's the question.

[Thinkingabout]

29. By the time the GE is facing us the most important fight will be to crush him,

Bad for America, especially bad for progressives. As Michael Moore said together we can beat Trump.

[B Calm]

30. Why do you care what Bernie supporters say?

[pdsimdars]

40. But to be fair, why does she care what she IMAGINES Bernie supporters say.

it's her personal fantasy.

[Jitter65]

33. No matter what they say we will know it's their fault. nt

[Miles Archer]

41. "I don't know a single Hillary supporter, who acts as if she walks on water?"

Exactly how much time do you spend in GD-P?

Because I see those folks here on a daily basis.

We're probably just reading different threads. And I stay out of the Clinton group completely.

"The Bernie supporters I encounter, on the other hand, think he's perfect which shows their naivete."

Well, you haven't encountered me, tough guy, and I don't think he's perfect, and your statement kind of shows your own "naivete."

"They then proceed to try and explain to me why, if I only knew the REAL Hillary I'd think differently."

Let me put this in the most delicate terms possible. I could give a shit about what you think and have no interest in "explaining" anything to you or attempting to make you "think differently." Like Clinton? Good. Vote for her. That sums up 100% of my interaction with you. You could know Clinton personally...maybe you even played in the same sandbox as kids...while not "knowing" her at all. That's how life works. One of the biggest mistakes we can make is assuming we "know" someone, because most people are so conflicted that they don't even know themselves. And as much as that may sound like bullshit pop psychology, it is also the truth. "THEY" don't "know" her and YOU don't "know" her, and you can take that to the bank. What you know about her is what she wants you to know about her and you accept that at face value or you do not.

And if you want to play tit-for-tat with Clinton and Sanders, good luck with that. His shortcomings don't make her "right," her shortcomings don't make him "right." I chose Sanders. You chose Clinton. Neither of us is "right." We're just two fucking people who made a choice, as is our right.

"But by then, I'm done with them. I've been on this earth too long, and while I don't think I know everything, there are few things that a 20-something can teach me unless it's about my I-Phone which for the most part, I don't care about as long as I can dial out when I need to."

I truly wish you could sense how sad these statements are, how unenlightened and dismissive and bigoted.

"there are few things that a 20-something can teach me unless it's about my I-Phone which for the most part, I don't care about"

Well, the difference between you and I is that I learn from "20-somethings"...and "30/40/50/60/70/80/90-somethings"...all the fucking time.

When you throw up your barbed wire fence and convince yourself that you are not going to learn something from someone because of their age, you won't, you'll get exactly what you said you wanted, which is nothing. You lose. And when you wrap that around a jaw-dropper like "and while I don't think I know everything,"...in a post where you set out to tell DU that you do, in fact, know everything and are unwilling to learn anything that contradicts your own self-sanctioned level of "knowledge," I just don't know what to say, other than I hope those kids with their iPhones get off your lawn.

You are cheating yourself, my friend. You are selling yourself short. Lighten up and stop struggling against the world, because that's a losing battle, and if you really believe everything you posted here, that is absolutely the battle you are attempting to wage.

[pinebox]

42. Why is this so hard to understand?