2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoll: 50% Say Clinton Should Keep Running Even If Indicted
"Most continue to believe likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is a lawbreaker, but half of all voters also say a felony indictment shouldnt stop her campaign for the presidency.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 43% of Likely U.S. Voters think Clinton should immediately stop campaigning if she is charged with a felony in connection with her use of a private e-mail server while secretary of State. Fifty percent (50%), however, think she should continue running until a court determines her guilt or innocence. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
Voters were evenly divided on this question in January, but at that time we didnt include the name of any candidate.
Among Democratic voters, 71% believe Clinton should keep running, a view shared by only 30% of Republicans and 46% of voters not affiliated with either major party.
Forty percent (40%) of all voters say they are less likely to vote for Clinton because of the e-mail issue, while nearly half (48%) say it will have no impact on their vote. Just eight percent (8%) say the issue makes them more likely to vote for the former first lady.
Sixty-five percent (65%) consider it likely that Clinton broke the law by sending and receiving e-mails containing classified information through a private e-mail server while serving as secretary of State. This includes 47% who say its Very Likely. These findings are unchanged from January. Thirty percent (30%) still say Clinton is unlikely to have broken the law with the e-mail arrangement, with 16% who say its Not At All Likely."
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/may_2016/50_say_clinton_should_keep_running_even_if_indicted
This is an interesting poll and it's kinda what I expected.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,124 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)When Clinton isn't indicted, who will you vote for between her and Trump?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I also hear there are more than two people & parties on the ballot.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's a simple question.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Also, how people vote is their own business.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)The issue of voting for Clinton is much more complicated. I say that from the comfort of Washington State that will never go for a Republican. If the polls said something different I would have a dilemma.
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KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)An honest answer is refreshing.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Hillary should start her own party. Its dishonest for her to try to portray herself as a progressive when she is not.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)she's not a progressive Democrat when she is.
merrily
(45,251 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)You Berners sure are going out ugly!
merrily
(45,251 posts)another thing entirely, especially since some answers can get people banned from DU.
If you think my saying a question is inappropriate is ugly, I can conclude only that you have no idea how an ugly DU post actually reads. Either that, or your claim is totally phony. One or the other.
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JimDandy
(7,318 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)or did vote, or are threatened with, or actually removed from DU for how they want to vote, or how they actually did vote, should retain an attorney. I believe the federal voting act specifically prohibits such actions.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I wont vote for Trump and I will support the Democrats that I can, (many/most of whom are not part of this scheme) with the exception of the ones that I know are in bed with the current incumbents.
In terms of supporting candidates, yes if I see Bernie supporting a candidate I am much more likely to vote for them than the others.
The country desperately needs real change. I suspect that I am not the only Democrat who is very close to leaving the party if things don't really change really fast.
I like the proposal of putting Elizabeth Warren in charge of the party. If the "Third Way" people want their own party let them start one and join it.
They do not speak for most of us. They hijacked it by deception.
merrily
(45,251 posts)a write in at the top of the ticket invalidates the entire ballot, or so I've been told.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Throw it away
merrily
(45,251 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That's loyalty! Incidentally I agree completely with the title. If Obama can't stop an indictment that will be a shame but it won't mean squat coming from team Issa. Some of us know a hawk from a handsaw.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It would come from the FBI, if anyone.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)As much as I hate Issa and know he is a criminal in his own right, his pointing out a glaring gap in security doesn't attribute the results of the investigation to him at all. This is all the FBI and the investigation, and results, will lie squarely with them.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)No one is that stupid.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)She'd have the election in the bag.
You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)unsettling.
It's quite unsettling. But I agree with ya
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Or one of those bad nightmares where its as if you are running from disaster through clay mud. But you just can't wake up. Fuck!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Not since this guy in 1972:
Robbins
(5,066 posts)the GOP is jumping for joy they can run against Her.her supporters don't care.they are happy as long as she is nominee on her doing anything including throwing all progressives under the bus.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)A different Democratic nominee would mean the Right would have to change up some of their talking points. Selling Clinton outrage is the thing they already know how to do, whether or not it's effective.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)We're in a huge mess.
elana i am
(814 posts)i'd have expected this kind of result for a repug candidate not a dem.
go figure.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)If this was a Republican the numbers would be much higher.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Time for them to make another one. I suggest Bernie.
She can't win in this situation. She's the wrong choice. She's a dishonest phony.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)When an overwhelming majority of the party is okay with a candidate under indictment, that says everything that needs to be said about blinding loyalty to a person and not the cause.
Abouttime
(675 posts)have been seeing the repukes hound the Clintons since 1992, they see this as just the latest witch hunt. The majority of Americans view Hillary in a sympathetic light, she will win this November and become our Nations first female President. 50 years from now nobody will be talking about the emails but the history books will show that the first black president was succeeded by the first female president and both were Democrats. History will also show that trump will be the end of the repuke party, thanks to the Clintons.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)And while I doubt an indictment comes of it (whether deserved or not), the fact that 71% of the party is okay with a Federal indictment brought down by the Obama DOJ is rather disturbing and says a lot about where the party has gone. You can't claim to be the party of integrity when you are willing to elect someone who has to work their inauguration around their court dates.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Therefore, another Republican investigation.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Obama reappointed Comey at the FBI, so that one falls on him now. The State IG was also a Dem appointee, so how can we spin that one?
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging as the reality of wrongdoing.
Saying that it will have no impact on the election is whistling Dixie while having your head buried in the sand.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The fundamental reason for voting for you, your identity, doesn't change even if you're a criminal.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)For the sake of the party. It would be a huge distraction.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)circle broke a criminal law.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)any law. For breaking regs there are no penalties.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)No, there is no penalty, they are not violations of criminal laws. I made that clear.
The OIG provided evidence of a possible criminal violation: destruction of federal records, a felony.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Four emails were obtained by the OIG which were not in HIllary's production to State. All those not produced, she claims to have destroyed. That is what you call a little problem.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)intelligently. Until then it's rank speculation.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)and she stated that she destroyed those not produced.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)or influence the investigation..." you also have to prove the "knowingly" part of it. Much easier said than done.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Hillary, or someone on her staff, knowingly and intentionally destroyed the records.
The question unanswered publicly (but probably answered by the FBI) is whether there was an intent to impede, obstruct of influence.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)"... the office of the Secretary ... been slow ... to manage effectively the legal requirements..."
When are legal requirements not legal requirements? Why did they use this language? It does not say rules. I would think for a document with such far reaching implications and the time it took them to spit it all out that every word is chosen carefully.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)There are zero penalties for not following the rules. Not so with the laws.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)suggestions than laws.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Considering her opponent, I'd campaign for her.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)They don't care about policies or integrity, they're solely about voting for her regardless of criminality.
Its proven here on a regular basis as Hillary supporters never want to discuss her positions, or Libya, or cluster bombs.
Explains a lot
progressoid
(49,825 posts)no thanks
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Unbelievable really.
thesquanderer
(11,953 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And I expect this regardless of letter or name. People get way too invested in these people they do not know, and who could care less about them.
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)What an opportunity for them!
Vinca
(50,168 posts)If she's indicted and doesn't drop out we should rename the party. I suggest the "Titanic Party."
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)71% of Democrats don't care about ethics. We are ready to merge with the GOP.
trudyco
(1,258 posts)This poll doesn't sound valid at all if it includes an online poll. That can be easily manipulated. I do think a lot of people leaning towards Hillary don't really understand what all she's done or her covering up or possible RICO with the Clinton Foundation. They just think this is another Right Wing witch hunt.
But I seriously doubt that many Democrats would chose to ignore justice.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And we wonder why we have problems.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The Democratic party truly has left me it seems. I would expect something like that from republicans, but never Democrats. The Third Way has won.
If the situation were reversed and it was the republican front runner under indictment, how many Democrats would feel the same?