2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes anyone have special plans to watch Clinton accept the nomination at the convention?
Is anyone going? My mother and I already have plans. We are going to get some excellent food and cook a great meal. Watch Clinton speak and celebrate. We cried as we voted for her in the primary in Florida and I'm sure there will be more tears of joy as Clinton accepts the nomination. Might go online to find videos of all the white male Trump supporters protesting outside for fun. My 70+ year old mother will have some choice words for them.
We are talking the first woman to be nominated by one of the two major parties. This is huge.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will read it though. I don't care for that stagecraft anymore.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are simply omitting what has become one of the most important factors in electing a President. How they present themselves on stage. It's reality. I would think that such an important factor in American politics would interest someone so in tune such as yourself.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I pick far more in the debates as well by listening to them or simply reading them.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You don't give a shit about how they carry themselves on stage even though we all know it is monumental in picking our Presidents.
That's a new one for me. It does explain a lot. Thanks.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Though as a photographer we are more concerned with ISO and aperture. So really I do not care. That is new to you because you expect people to care.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You have made it abundantly clear you don't care. Now I know not to expect to hear any care or concern from you. My apologies for thinking you cared.
Awesome that you are a photographer. I won a photography contest over the weekend. While I call it a hobby I seem to be gaining photographer status. Yeah us.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I thought you would at least be a bit excited about my photography contest wins. I support my fellow photographers.
No need to be mean.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I think the last SOTU I watched was in 2007. No serious
The last inaguration was 2008. The last Speaker take the gavel I watched was Pelosi. So you can take that as you wish. I just don't care.
I pay attention to that silliness. Only if I cover a political event, for composition purposes. It is a subject I am taking photos off and we try hard not to make anybody look bad. Ergo, and we got bad photos, we don't run them.
So take your assumptions eomewhere else. I am no longer impressed by it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have attempted positive conversation after positive conversation with you and you always go full on bully as you have now done again.
"So take your assumptions eomewhere else."
My assumptions are fine right where they are. This is my op and you responded. You are truly being an aggressive and angry bully.
I don't back down from bullies and won't here. I will say your post here does make a lot of sense when it comes to how you view politics. You flat out admit how filtered your view is. Interesting approach.
You say a lot for someone who "doesn't care" "not impressed" "whatever" "don't watch" lol
You are just flat out being mean. I'm still smiling and am still over the moon at my big photo win. More to come. I see a future in photography!!!!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I do not give a flying fuck about it. No special plans. Hey f maybe recording audio.
I am not being anything beyond telling you I give two shits about the theatre.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You don't give a shit.
I understand you don't give a shit and don't want to silence you as you proudly proclaim it.
It was a nature photo by the way.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The speeches.
Gothmog
(179,830 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but definitely watching.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,526 posts)charlespercydemocrat
(46 posts)I plan on watching
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)And all those little girls at home watching a woman president be sworn in for the first time.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)We are going in the right direction.
Hoping to somehow get to DC to watch in person. Or just be around all that energy.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)of joy.
I very much look forward to that again.
Vinca
(53,990 posts)I'm going to ignore the whole convention.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But the action on both will be outside. I intend to tune in to streamers.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Because that is where my sympathies lie.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)As both Occupy and Ferguson showed, the best will come from streamers
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Maybe someone could arrange for a participation trophy?
Vinca
(53,990 posts)All she's getting from me is my vote . . . if I must give it. I would require a trophy, at the very least, to endure her acceptance speech. Nails on a chalkboard.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Vinca
(53,990 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)brooklynite
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brooklynite
(96,882 posts)My tix come from the Host Committee, not the campaign.
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brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...feel free to look up my FEC records as well.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)who will continue to be shafted in this rigged economy. If/when Hillary makes her acceptance speech it means that neither presidential nominee will be representing the little guy - Bernie is the last hope.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sounds like a new Bible is being written. So many people speak about Sanders in religious terms. "Another carpenter" "Bernie is the last hope" "It was a sign"
dragonfly301
(399 posts)it's not a book I've read.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Very reflective.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and want for America was created by liberals through the Democratic Party, which was founded by Jefferson and Madison 225 years ago under another the name Democratic-Republican Party.
Starting around 1978, a wave of conservative fervor moved the nation right. Power shifted to the right, away from the Democratic Party, and Republicans started dismantling liberalism in government and replacing it with conservatism, particularly destructive the empowering of the wealthy to put their own representatives in office.
Now the tides have turned, the nation is slowly moving left even though retarded by the enormous power of right-wing money in politics, and power is shifting back to the Democrats.
Bernie's platform is nothing more than the same goals the Democratic Party has but pumped up with impossible promises of achieving much more, much sooner, plus, of course, some big, very unearned kicks in the teeth of the Democrats.
This little history is given so that you can understand why I feel that most of those so unhappy with the Democratic Party are not only miserable ingrates, but so incredibly foolish as to be trying very passionately to kick themselves in the teeth. Their complete ignorance about that role of liberal Democrats in the formation of this nation, their ignorance about what Democrats intend to do after elected into more offices, and especially their shocking lack of pride in being part of the great liberal tradition that is responsible for all that is most great about our nation reveal a profound ignorance that itself is proof that they never fought to keep the conservatives from destroying what they say they value, i.e., all that Democrats have achieved through many decades of long struggle, literally including the principle that all men are created equal.
No excuses for being miserable excuses for citizens. This inexcusable ignorance, apathy, and dangerously misdirected resentment are America's greatest problems and pose the gravest threat to democracy. Not the few wealthy. The many them.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)and have continued voting Dem for all of the ensuing years. I understand pragmatism but I also understand that if you take massive amounts of money from big corporations they will want something in return, something that will not be in keeping with the "great liberal tradition" that you and I take great pride in.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)apologize somewhat, though. I've been steaming ever since I read the OP on "Almost 50% of Democrats feel disconnected with party; despondent, helpless about election..." IMO, 95% of the disconnect is ignorance. They should be thrilled to help their party ride this growing national shift back to liberal answers into office, but instead they whine and complain.
That said, I understand your wanting what Bernie promised. In the beginning I looked at him very closely, hoping he might be an answer. Where we differ is in your attitude toward Hillary and how to eliminate a class that control 80% of the wealth of this nation. She's not all that we want, but she's far, far better than you want to think. And they're far, far too powerful to take out just by siccing Superbernie on them.
Btw, Obama deserves so much credit for starting up the revolution, yet the whiners and complainers are literally clueless. They have no idea. Healthcare reform after being held back for nearly a century by the GOP is real. That means nothing. Still clueless. Dodd-Frank was gutted a bit by the GOP, but it has made a huge difference and plans are to beef it up further.
And it's only a start, but after 35 years of tax breaks and the promise of more, more, more from the GOP, Obama rolled back the personal tax rates on the ultrawealthy to pre-Reagan levels. Wasn't that a nice little warning shot of what was to come?
cali
(114,904 posts)MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)Can't wait to celebrate this historic moment!
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I know now how so many people of color felt when Obama was nominated. I did not hope to see this in my lifetime.
MineralMan
(151,264 posts)CSPAN's coverage of the convention the entire time they cover it. I have watched wall-to-wall coverage of Democratic conventions for as long as they have been covered wall-to-wall. Even before then, I remember watching the conventions in the 50s and 60s whenever there was coverage.
But, I'm a political wonk. I love that stuff. It's history, being played out as we watch. Nominating a woman for President? History in action. How could anyone miss seeing that?
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)But probably not for the same reasons.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)The "first woman," and, unfortunately, just another corporatist...what a shame.
Imagine what cold have been...
Nanjeanne
(6,588 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I can't wait!