If you can't stand any Dem besides Bernie, then you're the one who's a "fake Democrat."

[YouDig]

It's not logical that like 95% of Democrats are "fake" and only the handful that Berners haven't dismissed as corporate establishment stooges are the "real" ones.

[Dawgs]

1. That's why I left the party years ago.

The Democrat party is where the Republican party was when Nixon was President.

[LoverOfLiberty]

5. Fascinating the number of poster on here

who proudly claim they despise the party and continue to post on Democratic Underground.

[Dawgs]

9. I never said that I "despise the party". nt

[merrily]

32. I'd say the Dem Party now is to the right of where Nixon thought he had to be.

Remember, Nixon's health care plan did not have an individual mandate, only and employer mandate.

Remember, before war hero and NATO commander and Ivy League College President Eisenhower ran, the nation had experience a gobsmacking 20 consecutive years of Democrats in the Oval Office and a bunch of Democratic-controlled Congresses. Eisenhower and Nixon were probably walking a tightrope, trying to make sure they seemed at least somewhat left. Plus, Nixon came in in 1968, after a stunning Democratic victory in 1964.

I don't think Ike or Nixon were liberals. I think they believed they had to appear that way.

[Dem2]

45. At least you admit it

Many here dodge the question when it's clear they are here to taunt and distract Democratic voters who happen to care about Democratic values.

[CBGLuthier]

2. I have never at any point in my life claimed to be any kind of democrat.

For decades I have sided with democrats but their continuing slide to the right and deep corruption have got to end.

[MohRokTah]

3. BRAVO!

[hobbit709]

4. So what does that make you?

Oh great arbiter!

[YouDig]

6. A Democrat.

[morningfog]

8. I don't believe you.

[hobbit709]

10. I'd sooner believe the moon is made of green cheese than to believe that from you.

[YouDig]

12. Why would you think I'm not a Democrat?

[hobbit709]

13. Your posting history: Res ipsa loquitur.

[YouDig]

15. My posting history is pro-Clinton, and Clinton is a Democrat.

[hobbit709]

18. Pro-Clinton? Most of your posts are anti-Bernie.

They're not the same thing.

[YouDig]

26. Some of each. Yours are anti-Clinton. What does that make you?

[VulgarPoet]

36. ...

[Andy823]

39. So in that case

All of those "anti Hillary" trash and bash posters must not be real Democrats either. I have doubted their claims to be Democrats for some time now.

[morningfog]

7. You don't have to post every brain fart. In fact, you shouldn't.

[NCTraveler]

17. It all starts at home.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026837356

[morningfog]

22. Good work columbo!

[NCTraveler]

24. Didn't take much effort. lol. nt.

[mac56]

31. Unless you're being paid by the post.

[NCTraveler]

43. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512094696#post22

[bjo59]

11. No. If you're a Dem who can't stand anyone but Bernie, you're a Dem who can't stand his or her

government continuing to sell out the people of this country in the name of personal power and personal enrichment. I'm surprised that as many people who absolutely approve of this kind of government, do. The warning signs of a dying empire are everywhere.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Did you check the "real" and "fake" Dems DNA and Loyalty Oath records to determine reality?

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. The is a newish talking point.

A variation on the loyalty pledges. This used to be very much a republican thang. Ever heard of Will Rogers and his saying? It is no longer that party though

[zappaman]

38. "Ever heard of Will Togers"

No, I haven't.
Who is he or she?

[SheenaR]

19. Never once said I can't stand any Dem besides Bernie

I can't stand a few and one of them is also running for President.

There are many I admire.

[chascarrillo]

20. Member since: Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:35 PM

[ThinkCritically]

21. I've said time and time again...

run ANY other democrat and I'll vote for them. Hillary is the worst choice the DNC could have made. She has made many enemies over the years. Any gay person in their right mind would never vote for her.

[leeroysphitz]

23. nu-uh. you are. n/t

[merrily]

25. O.K.

Profile Information
Member since: Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:35 PM
Number of posts: 1,514

Posts hidden by Jury: 6
Total posts: 1514
Percentage of posts hidden: 0.4%
Post title Jury decision Date posted
How long before Bernie officially joins the Trump campaign? May 26
She's got plenty of progressives, for example me. May 24
A majority of Bernie supporters just want a man to lead the country. May 23
Dear DNC: just let #babybernie have his pacifier. May 20
So now there's a video of a Bernie rioter threatening to throw a chair. May 18
Bernie supporters started throwing chairs in Nevada because they weren't allowed to cheat.

[VulgarPoet]

27. ...

[John Poet]

28. I could live with "almost any" Democrat except for

Hillary.

[YouDig]

29. Most elected Democrats are more conservative than Hillary.

[mac56]

33. Show us how you know that.

[YouDig]

34. She was ranked 11th most liberal senator.

[mac56]

35. By?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

37. directly after 911.. when the whole country lurched right for a few years

The pendulum is swinging the other way now

[VulgarPoet]

40. ...

[John Poet]

44. Most elected Democrats are MORE liberal than Hillary

on foreign policy and war & peace, and that's my problem with her.

Most elected Democrats would not have helped to legitimize a right-wing military coup in Honduras which threw out the elected President, which is exactly what Hillary did as Secretary of State-- at the behest of some right-wing Republican senators.

[nc4bo]

30. Corporate stooges gonna be corporate stooges.

Doesn't change what they are or whether they wear a $R or a $D with no shame. They have in common what is destroying the lives of the 99% here and on a global level.

They all should be shunned.

Some recognize the enemy. Some are ignorant of the enemy. Some are the enemy disguised as friends.

[asuhornets]

41. That's a good point....n/t

[JCanete]

42. So what? What do you want the democratic party to sound like? What and who do you

want it to stand for? Yes, technically we're all democrats, those of us who have been D's or have become D's and support Bernie, and those of us who are D's and support Clinton, etc. etc. It makes no sense saying one person is a democrat or another person isn't a democrat, but both sides are doing it. Hey! In fact, you're doing it here.

The problem is that the only thing that Democrats can agree that "Democrat" means, is our voter status that either allows or disallows us to vote for democrats in the primary. So, who cares who's a democrat and who's not? The title is more and more meaningless the more our candidates drift to the right on policy. We can't define it by principle, by even general principle any more.

This is what i've learned from Democrats on this site:


Socialism bad
Free trade is good
Nafta is good
the big banks can't be broken up
Fracking ...eh.
Wall Street: Job Creators
minimum wage hike: job killing
Guns BAD BAD BAD, (because? Wedge issues, GOOD GOOD GOOD)
Decriminalizing drugs ... eh
whistleblowing: traitorous
War ... eh
Campaign Finance, cozy relationships with big money, lobbying, "You have to fight fire with fire!&quot incidently that's a pretty great metaphor, because well, fire doesn't really fight fire...I guess you can burn up all the combustibles and oxygen before the other guy does)
Israel good, Palestine bad
Experience is key!
judgement: "well how are you going to make an omelette without breaking some eggs?"
Big dreams? Big change? "Not on my watch!"

But of course all this is in the name of pragmatism and incrementalism.

The point is, who are we? I think we can all agree that we are pro-choice, but then lets tarry softly on that one until we see exactly where on the spectrum of pro-choice Hillary lands after trying to court conservatives in the GE. You know, so that people have time to "reflect" on their opinions on the matter until it comes to them in an epiphany.

I think we can say we want an equal society where gay marriage is legal(some of you may be a little later to this party than others), and people aren't discriminated against, preyed upon or even targeted for the color of their skin, nor are they forced to battle uphill on an uneven playing field. Sadly, we can't agree that economic injustice is a major factor in this.

I think we all agree that we want everybody to be covered for medial insurance, we just don't all agree about whether or not people should be able to afford their coverage.

I think we all agree we want an educated populace(I'm going out on a limb here). We just don't all agree that we want to pay for it.

Anyway, it would be nice, if we were going to have an argument about who is or isn't a democrat, if we put some effort into defining what a democrat is. What are the common denominators? How far do we have to boil down?